The Supreme Court’s decision in Fischer v. United States rejecting the use of obstruction of legal proceedings against January 6th defendants will potentially impact hundreds of cases. For some, it may lead to dismissals or, in the cases with multiple charges, resentencings. One of those cases that will be impacted is the pending prosecution of former president Donald Trump who is facing four charges, including two obstruction counts. However, it is not clear if Special Counsel Jack Smith will yield to the decision or possibly take the dubious path laid out by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson in her concurrence.
Smith has long tended to push the law to the breaking point to bag defendants. That was the case when his conviction of former Virginia Governor Robert F. McDonnell was unanimously reversed as overextending another law.
It is doubtful that he will go quietly into the night after the Fischer decision. In most cases, a prosecutor would go back and secure a superseding indictment in light of the loss of the obstruction claims. Those claims were central to the narrative of the government under the current indictment.
That is not Smith’s style. He may decide to push even harder for a trial before the election on the remaining counts. Smith has made the trial before the election an overriding priority throughout his appointment. He also has a very favorable and motivated judge in United States District Judge Tanya Chutkan.
He could also take a not-so-subtle hint from Jackson in her concurrence. Jackson supported the majority in finding that the obstruction provision, Section 1512(c), was enacted after the Enron case to address the destruction of documents and records.
Section 1512(c)(1) prohibits corruptly obstructing an official proceeding by altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing a record, document, or other object with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding. However, a second provision under subsection (c)(2) allowed for charges that would “otherwise” obstruct, influence, or impede an official proceeding. The Court held that the obstruction cases under Section 1512(c)(2) must be tied to impairing the integrity or availability of evidence.
However, in a single justice concurrence, she added a way that Smith and other prosecutors might still be able to shoehorn January 6th into a Section 1512 offense:
“That official proceeding [Congress’s certification of the Electoral College vote] plainly used certain records, documents, or objects—including, among others, those relating to the electoral votes themselves. See Tr. of Oral Arg. 65–67. And it might well be that Fischer’s conduct, as alleged here, involved the impairment (or the attempted impairment) of the availability or integrity of things used during the January 6 proceeding “in ways other than those specified in (c)(1).” Ante, at 8. If so, then Fischer’s prosecution under §1512(c)(2) can, and should, proceed. That issue remains available for the lower courts to determine on remand.”
Notably, no other justice joined Jackson in the concurrence. However, Smith and Chutkan could reason that it was not expressly rejected and presumably, the three justices in dissent would support the broader reading since they were willing to sign off on the ultimate extension of the obstruction of justice statute. That includes Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
However, that still leaves less than a majority and an application that runs against the grain of the opinion. Just saying that a proceeding involves “certain records” is transparently artificial and forced. Even the submission of an alternative slate of electors is not the destruction of electors certified by the secretaries of state.
The federal law allows for challenges in Congress, which Democrats previously utilized without claims of insurrections or attacks on democracy. J6 Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), voted to challenge the certification of the 2004 results of President George W. Bush’s reelection; committee member Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) sought to challenge Trump’s certification in 2016. Both did so under the very law that Trump’s congressional supporters used in 2020. And Pelosi and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) praised the challenge organized by then-Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in 2004.
Those challenges under the same loose theory could have been viewed as attempting to negate or destroy certifications from the states. It would likely, in my view, result in another reversal. It is, in my view, too clever by half.
That may not concern Smith who may still want to use the obstruction counts to increase the likelihood of convictions on the other counts. In such a circumstance, the overturning of the two obstruction convictions might still leave the conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy against the rights of citizens.
We will see in the coming weeks, but Smith is likely waiting for the other shoe to drop in the Trump immunity case. That could add additional complications if the case is remanded by the Court for further proceedings. There is little time for a trial before November if the district court must hold hearings on claims that statements or actions were taken by Trump as part of his office.
Chutkan sought to meet Smith’s demand for a trial before the election by converting her court into a virtual rocket docket. The cost of the fast pace was that she created little record on these issues. That might have to be done in a remand and will exhaust additional days on the rapidly shrinking calendar for Smith.
Either way, Monday will throw the final card on the table for Smith and the Court will determine if what is left in his hand. It may not deter Smith. It often seems like both bad gamblers and special counsels tend to double down on weak hands. If history is any measure, Smith is likely to bet the farm on whatever remains.
The problem is that the farm does not belong to him.
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Too Clever By Half: Justice Jackson’s Suggested Path Forward for Jack Smith Could Lead to Another Reversal
The Supreme Court’s decision in Fischer v. United States rejecting the use of obstruction of legal proceedings against January 6th defendants will potentially impact hundreds of cases. For some, it may lead to dismissals or, in the cases with multiple charges, resentencings. One of those cases that will be impacted is the pending prosecution of former president Donald Trump who is facing four charges, including two obstruction counts. However, it is not clear if Special Counsel Jack Smith will yield to the decision or possibly take the dubious path laid out by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson in her concurrence.
Smith has long tended to push the law to the breaking point to bag defendants. That was the case when his conviction of former Virginia Governor Robert F. McDonnell was unanimously reversed as overextending another law.
It is doubtful that he will go quietly into the night after the Fischer decision. In most cases, a prosecutor would go back and secure a superseding indictment in light of the loss of the obstruction claims. Those claims were central to the narrative of the government under the current indictment.
That is not Smith’s style. He may decide to push even harder for a trial before the election on the remaining counts. Smith has made the trial before the election an overriding priority throughout his appointment. He also has a very favorable and motivated judge in United States District Judge Tanya Chutkan.
He could also take a not-so-subtle hint from Jackson in her concurrence. Jackson supported the majority in finding that the obstruction provision, Section 1512(c), was enacted after the Enron case to address the destruction of documents and records.
Section 1512(c)(1) prohibits corruptly obstructing an official proceeding by altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing a record, document, or other object with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding. However, a second provision under subsection (c)(2) allowed for charges that would “otherwise” obstruct, influence, or impede an official proceeding. The Court held that the obstruction cases under Section 1512(c)(2) must be tied to impairing the integrity or availability of evidence.
However, in a single justice concurrence, she added a way that Smith and other prosecutors might still be able to shoehorn January 6th into a Section 1512 offense:
“That official proceeding [Congress’s certification of the Electoral College vote] plainly used certain records, documents, or objects—including, among others, those relating to the electoral votes themselves. See Tr. of Oral Arg. 65–67. And it might well be that Fischer’s conduct, as alleged here, involved the impairment (or the attempted impairment) of the availability or integrity of things used during the January 6 proceeding “in ways other than those specified in (c)(1).” Ante, at 8. If so, then Fischer’s prosecution under §1512(c)(2) can, and should, proceed. That issue remains available for the lower courts to determine on remand.”
Notably, no other justice joined Jackson in the concurrence. However, Smith and Chutkan could reason that it was not expressly rejected and presumably, the three justices in dissent would support the broader reading since they were willing to sign off on the ultimate extension of the obstruction of justice statute. That includes Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
However, that still leaves less than a majority and an application that runs against the grain of the opinion. Just saying that a proceeding involves “certain records” is transparently artificial and forced. Even the submission of an alternative slate of electors is not the destruction of electors certified by the secretaries of state.
The federal law allows for challenges in Congress, which Democrats previously utilized without claims of insurrections or attacks on democracy. J6 Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), voted to challenge the certification of the 2004 results of President George W. Bush’s reelection; committee member Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) sought to challenge Trump’s certification in 2016. Both did so under the very law that Trump’s congressional supporters used in 2020. And Pelosi and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) praised the challenge organized by then-Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in 2004.
Those challenges under the same loose theory could have been viewed as attempting to negate or destroy certifications from the states. It would likely, in my view, result in another reversal. It is, in my view, too clever by half.
That may not concern Smith who may still want to use the obstruction counts to increase the likelihood of convictions on the other counts. In such a circumstance, the overturning of the two obstruction convictions might still leave the conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy against the rights of citizens.
We will see in the coming weeks, but Smith is likely waiting for the other shoe to drop in the Trump immunity case. That could add additional complications if the case is remanded by the Court for further proceedings. There is little time for a trial before November if the district court must hold hearings on claims that statements or actions were taken by Trump as part of his office.
Chutkan sought to meet Smith’s demand for a trial before the election by converting her court into a virtual rocket docket. The cost of the fast pace was that she created little record on these issues. That might have to be done in a remand and will exhaust additional days on the rapidly shrinking calendar for Smith.
Either way, Monday will throw the final card on the table for Smith and the Court will determine if what is left in his hand. It may not deter Smith. It often seems like both bad gamblers and special counsels tend to double down on weak hands. If history is any measure, Smith is likely to bet the farm on whatever remains.
The problem is that the farm does not belong to him.
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Anonymous says:
THE TROLLS ARE FURIOUS!
It should be clear to every Turley reader by now that these threads are hostage to a professional troll farm.
This was the third day we released a Puppet Watch count naming all the puppets who commented by 6:00 pm Eastern Time.
Since that list was published, the trolls have gone into overdrive; posting at least 16 mostly long, disruptive comments attacking ‘Peter Shill’.
These attack posts CONFIRM that a troll farm is, indeed, holding the blog hostage. They don’t like these Puppet Watch lists and that is very plain to see.
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turdrunner says:
This was the third day we released a Puppet Watch
Who is we? Sounds like multiple trolls.
You’re such a lippy kunt, fish—-Shoresy
They don’t like these Puppet Watch lists
Who is they? I thought it was all one guy
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Anonymous says:
PUPPET COUNT: EVENING UPDATE
Monday, July 1
Note: This installment of Puppet Watch first ran at 7:22 pm Eastern Time. Since then the troll farm has waged a furious response with at least 16 long, disruptive and nonsensical posts.
And now, here’s how the count looked at 6:00 pm Eastern Time.
*****
First, the established troll farm is leaning heavily on green anonymous to convey all those mean-spirited, frequently dirty comments that have been staples of these threads. Under green anonymous, at least 47 of those posts are present today.
Secondly, that group of puppets we’ve been calling the ‘Morning Greek chorus Bots’ were mostly absent today. No conventional first and last names with middle initials!
Here’s how the established puppets tally today with number of posts next to names.
Margot Ballhere: 1
dgsnowden: 1
Draft Dodger Consortium: 3
DDC: 1
Elvis Bug: 3
Estovir: 9
Ex Dem: 1
Floyd: 4
Ian Michael Gumby: 2
GEB 11
JAFO: 1
James: 1
Lin: 8
Old Fish: 3
Pleasure Chest Management: 2
Sam: 2
Richard S: 3
Traveler: 6
Floyd akaTurdrunner: 2
Waters: 15
Upstate Farmer: 14
ZZ Doc: 1
One can see the well-established puppets were out in full force today; all except Floyd.
Waters was back with 15 posts after his late night meltdown over the weekend. And old standby Upstate Farmer weighed in with 14. GEB, which isn’t always prominent, posted 11.
Almost every day this past week the troll farm has featured at least one post attributed to host Johnathan Turley. Today was no exception.
To recap, the most notable trend today are the 47 posts under green anonymous hurling garbage at liberal commenters. Curiously its written voice sounds unmistakably like Floyd-Estovir-Hullbobby-Tom-Waters.
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Waters says:
“It’s reckless, it’s dangerous, it’s irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don’t like the verdict. Our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years, and it literally is the cornerstone of America.”
——Joe Biden May 30, 2024
“todays Supreme Court decision undermines the rule of law in this nation”
——Joe Biden July 1, 2024
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Floyd says:
Almost 10:00 PM EDT, so time for me to become Floyd again! Grab your popcorn!
Update (1615ET): Democrat strategists are throwing many things against walls and hoping some stick as the gaslighting continues.
Bloomberg reports that the Democratic National Committee is considering formally nominating Joe Biden as early as mid-July to ensure that the president is on November ballots, while helping to stamp out intra-party chatter of replacing him after last week’s poor debate performance.
Democrats had already planned to nominate Biden, 81, before the convention in order to ensure he appears on the ballot in Ohio, which had an Aug. 7 deadline for candidates to be certified.
A potential date for Biden’s nomination is July 21, when the Democratic convention’s credentials committee meets virtually, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bidens-family-urges-him-fight-blames-debate-disaster-advisors-and-cnn
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turdrunner902cbad416 says:
Well, I’ve always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincere
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think
Oh, by the way, which one’s pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?—-It’s FLOYD
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brandrunner902cbad416 says:
You puppets all have the same “written voice”, according to Peter. He hears voices. (Coocoo for cocoa puffs)
That’s how he recognizes who someone is from his side of the glory hole.
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Waters says:
I feel like this ruling today did more to help Obama and Biden than Trump
Drones a US citizen without due process? Immune.
Prosecutes a political rival for non crimes? Immune.
Defies Congress and the Supreme Court to spend $800B? Immune.
Fails to uphold his oath of office and protect the border? Immune.
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Anonymous says:
Tell that to Brandon.
He slammed it.
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mespo727272 says:
Smith looks to be 0-5 just as predicted. This guy will need a cheap motel room, a bottle of muscatel, half a pack of Camels and a revolver if this keeps up.
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Anonymous says:
Mr. Biden succeeded because he made toeing the party line his life’s work. Like all politicians whose egos dwarf their talents, he ascended the greasy pole by slavishly following his party wherever it led. In the 1970s and 1980s, the Democrats were a party of post-Vietnam peacenik activists, seeking accommodation with the Soviet Union abroad and appeasement of economic decline at home. And Joe was one of them. When that was discredited by three straight election defeats, the Democrats became the New Democrats, and there was Joe again, backing welfare reform, being tough on crime, and getting macho with America’s post-Cold War enemies. After 9/11 the party fell in for a while behind George W. Bush, and of course Mr Biden was right there too, leading from the middle, backing the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq—until it started to go wrong, when, as his party quickly deserted, so did our man of constant borrow.
Finally—or at least we thought it was final, given his already advanced age—in the ultimate act of partisan servility, he became Barack Obama’s vice president, the summit achievement for the incapable but loyal, the apex position for the consummate yes man. His only roles were to offer his signature eloquence on the boss’s achievements (“This is a big f— deal”) or provide advice that could safely be ignored (“Don’t kill Osama bin Laden”).
But then, just as he was ready to drift into a comfortable and well-deserved obscurity, his party needed a front man—a familiar and innocuous face to take down an unpopular president. They sought a loyal and reliable figurehead, a flag of convenience under which they could sail the progressive vessel into the deepest reaches of American life—on a mission to advance statism, climate extremism and self-lacerating wokery. There was no more loyal and convenient vehicle than Joe.
But now, 42 months (and 81 years) in, it is going horribly wrong. Much of his party has no use for him anymore. They are trying desperately to jettison him and, in a remarkably cynical act of bait-and-switch, swap him out for someone more useful to their cause.
Part of me thinks they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. I find myself in the odd position of wanting to root for poor mumbling Joe in those intense—and presumably somewhat one-sided—conversations that must be going on this week at Camp David and in the White House.
It’s tempting to say to the Democratic machine frantically mobilizing against him: You don’t get to do this. You don’t get to deceive, dissemble and gaslight us for years about how this man was both brilliantly competent at the job and a healing force for national unity, and now tell us, when your deception is uncovered, that it’s bedtime for Bonzo, thanks for your service, and let’s move on.
It should be we the voters who get to deliver the verdict on the last four years, not a bunch of has-beens, time-servers and fat donors. We should have the opportunity to say what we think about a party and a president who, even as they lectured us for four years about the importance of honesty and the sanctity of democracy, were engaged in an extended act of deceit that itself represents pure contempt for the democratic process.
That is what is so galling about the spectacle we have witnessed since the Democrats’ sham exercise collapsed of its own shame in an Atlanta television studio Thursday.
Until the world saw the truth that they had been insisting was “misinformation,” they evidently thought they could get away with promoting the fiction of Mr. Biden’s competence. In perpetuating that fiction they were also revealing their contempt for the voters and for democracy itself.
David Baker
WSJ
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oldmanfromkansas says:
On top of all that he has used his position in government for grifting, selling the national interest to gain personal wealth. That has been his lifelong project. Just ask yourself how the Bidens got to be multimillionaires? It’s not like they produce anything.
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Anonymous says:
Peter Shill aka turdrunner says:July 1, 2024 at 5:45 PM
It is now time for my daily sundowners recount of todays posts
As of now, 303 comments, all by Floyd
Floyd can be seen talking to Floyd, about Floyd. Then Floyd pretends to be Waters, cornholing Floyd disguised as Benson.
We know this is true because Floyd only talks to other Floyds.
Now, can the rest of us please have a conversation?
I have to leave for my glory hole gig soon.
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Peter Shill aka turdrunner says:July 1, 2024 at 5:50 PM
Floyd is so determined to dominate his conversation with other Floyds, that he will even call himself Tom and call himself, disguised as Estovir, a total douchebag. He will then shit all over Elvis bug as anonymous, and reply as anonymous bug with third grade responses.
Its as plain as the nose on your face, people (Floyd)!!
So, join me in condemning Floyd, ok Floyd?
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Why do insane people insist on informing the population on the exact level or their break from reality?
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THE TROLLS ARE FURIOUS!
It should be clear to every Turley reader by now that these threads are hostage to a professional troll farm.
This was the third day we released a Puppet Watch count naming all the puppets who commented by 6:00 pm Eastern Time.
Since that list was published, the trolls have gone into overdrive; posting at least 16 mostly long, disruptive comments attacking ‘Peter Shill’.
These attack posts CONFIRM that a troll farm is, indeed, holding the blog hostage. They don’t like these Puppet Watch lists and that is very plain to see.
This was the third day we released a Puppet Watch
Who is we? Sounds like multiple trolls.
You’re such a lippy kunt, fish—-Shoresy
They don’t like these Puppet Watch lists
Who is they? I thought it was all one guy
Estovir, the more furious you get, the more you look like a real troll farm (which is our intention).
No armchair Trump supporter has the time or inclination to post as frequently as you.
Which Estovir, chickenshit? You give yourself way too much credit, buggy.
Tell yourself you are accomplishing something fool. Its entertaining.
rsly, amazingly fine work Prof Turley.
You are becoming a national treasure, Sir!
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 5:54 PM
I agree it’s refreshing to read rigorous honesty from an intelligent man
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:48 PM
This maybe the last blog on earth that truly believes in free speech allowing (allegedly) grown ups to act like 8th graders on the playground.
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David says:June 19, 2024 at 3:44 PM
Did I miss a comment on the raiding at Mar a Lago which in my mind is his most outrageous act.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 4:27 PM
Mr. Turley, while appearing to be impartial, is no fan of President Trump. Witness his words from text of the article referencing Garland’s nomination for AG…’He was, I thought, the perfect man for the job after his distinguished judicial service as a moderate judge.’ Then, even underinformed average Americans knew Garland was slimy. Insider Turley didn’t. In his favor, of course, is his willingness to admit he was wrong. I trust his analysis now, whereas before this Lawfare season I was a skeptic.
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Mike says:June 19, 2024 at 3:34 PM
Garland was out on a revenge against the repubs for not getting the scotus job. He wanted to get mcconnel but biden probably told him to leave him alone unless Mitch acts up against him so mitch stayed quiet. Then he went after trump per their political op and now that has totally failed to stop Trump. SO knowing that trump is going to win the best thing garland can do to stop his own indictment when trump appoints his special counsel to investigate all of them is for Garland to buck biden and drop the 2 cases on trump, fire all those operatives around him, and declare that he is appointing a spec counsels on biden. Otherwise garland is going to be indicted but doing the acts I said he should do would have put him in a positive light with a trump spec counsel when biden and his whole corrupt gang get indicted. The Florida doc case will be the one where garland will be sucked into for the indictment outside of dc judges and juries to protect him. If garland thinks the old doj he runs is going t still be around top protect him when trump wins then he is making an error there all going to be fired. Garland will get the worst of the sentence because he was a judge and doj official and he twisted the law in a political op to destroy trump. Now trump will get his revenge and garland better start trying t todo what I said to make himself look better in the eyes of justice.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 6:07 PM
The reason they do this is that they know there will be no consequences.
The deep state is at the very least “deep”.
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Pelosi’s Hammer says:June 19, 2024 at 7:03 PM
Not revenge, or retribution, but justice.
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Anonymous says:June 26, 2024 at 1:11 AM
This is quite the quaint fantasy
One I’d love to see come true.
There’s a minor problem though. I absolutely believe that no way no how will Biden be allowed to lose. And he know it too. That’s why he and the left are operating with zero fear f reciprocity or future accountability. Do you really think Obama, The Clinton’s, Brennan, Coney, the entire IC, most or Congress including RINO’s like Paul Ryan, all these clowshoes, are gonna allow Trump to win- he’s an existential threat to most of DC.
The fix is in…again. Silly folks think there’s actually a lead that can be too large to be corrupted. That’s absurd.
We’re talking about folks who have done anything and everything to stay in power. Killing JFQ, Ruby Ridge, Waco, MLK, creating ISIS, jailing the 1/6 defendants..the list goes on and on. Cripes, they let a virus free that killed millions, destroyed the world’s economy, and shattered faith in public health systems, all to damage a presidency.
If you believe there ate guardrails or limits to how far they will reach to stay in power, history fully disagrees with you.
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stevofromiowa says:June 19, 2024 at 3:26 PM
My guess is that it’s all a political payback for being snubbed for the SCOTUS seat. All he’s done is prove snubbing him was the right move.
Fun fact: He’s cousins with Former Iowa Governor and Trump Administration Ambassador to China Terry Brandstad.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:46 PM
Perhaps he was a “frequent flyer” to Lolita Island or they have something else on him.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:24 PM
I salute Prof. Turley for admitting that he is wrong about AG Garland
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:51 PM
You beat me to it. It takes a brave and honorable person to own up to being wrong when they have such a large following and format. Now, how about dims voter fraud?
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:18 PM
He’s a lying leftist pha ggot cox sucker
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:23 PM
This doesn’t really advance the discussion.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 7:11 PM
I agree!
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 12:32 PM
I knew the day would come when Merrick Garland would be exposed for the fraud that he is and there it is for all the world to see and history to remember. Really, Mitch McConnel, probably the most corrupt person in D.C., really did America a great service by deep-sixing this scalawag’s nomination to SCOTUS. I’m not sure any other Republican would have had the steely nerves that Mitch has to do it. We really dodged a bullet there.
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 9:26 AM
The video of Obama is proof that they have instructed anyone in Joe’s orbit on what to do if he freezes in that goofy stance.
Just touch him on the arm.
He will snap right out of it.
What the fvck?
Can any of you apologists point to a single video of any sitting President being led around or touched on the arm in this manner?
This is pathetic.
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GiGii says:June 18, 2024 at 3:14 PM
Joe Biden is the best President of our lifetime. GDP is up, inflation is down and our adversaries are quaking in their boots at his mighty presence. DJT drove the country into the ground, he’s a felon!
Joe is just putting on an act so everyone thinks he’s dumb and senile, the when the time is right BOOM!
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 5:06 PM
Love it. But you didn’t blame near enough on Trump. Even your ear ache is his fault.
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Lee says:June 19, 2024 at 3:18 PM
What a nutsack
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Lee says:June 19, 2024 at 3:20 PM
Your a fraud just like the old man you adore
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rosettaoracle says:June 19, 2024 at 3:21 PM
Well, yeah … Biden should win the Academy Award for Best Actor in a 4-year series that should have been cancelled after the first week.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:34 PM
wow, you need to seek professional help
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:36 PM
It’s SO depressing to see how we have such an uninformed electorate.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 5:00 PM
” uninformed electorate” is code for ‘really stupid and narrow minded citizens”
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:41 PM
Drugs are bad.
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Poe’s a JEDO. says:June 19, 2024 at 3:45 PM
Pull your head out of your donkey. You can’t honestly believe any of the trash coming out of your ignorant mouth?
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:53 PM
Thanks giggles, we needed a laugh
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 4:10 PM
Living in a country where non discerning fools like the guy who wrote to this can vote is trial
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 5:12 PM
You are nuts check your facts.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 6:53 PM
He GiGii. You need to got to your doctor and get that jock itch in your mouth treated!
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Pelosi’s Hammer says:June 19, 2024 at 7:06 PM
Sarcasm? It’s difficult to tell without facial expressions.
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Anonymous says:June 20, 2024 at 11:15 AM
Apparently
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:49 PM
I recall that a woman touched McConnell on the arm prior to him freezing up in front of a press gathering months ago. Is there some kind of special [DARPA] touch that turns them off and on?
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Sam says:June 18, 2024 at 7:38 AM
The Left keeps claiming (arbitrarily) that there is no “legislative or investigative purpose” for seeing the video of Hur’s interview with Biden.
Without seeing the video, how does one know that?
And don’t claim: Because transcript. That’s a deflection. The issue is the video.
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Shakdi says:June 18, 2024 at 5:29 AM
We all know that DC is filled with farcical criminals that lie to our faces while they loot the debt treasury into blood red hell.
They enforce their crimes with the imprimatur of defending democracy and being of the utmost honorable character.
The 14 trillion of natural resources in Ukraine has nothing to do with any of it, they tell us, the phone call of President Trump to Ukraine was a massive felonious crime.
Maybelline would go broke trying to dress up the sows that they are.
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 4:38 AM
“and all the kings’ horses and all the kings’ men couldn’t put (Biden) back together again”
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David Cherry says:June 18, 2024 at 2:25 AM
Mr Turley – moderate means “little to no moral convictions”. Mr Garland has had an axe to grind from the moment he was denied a Supreme Court seat. His “check all the boxes” resume just never seemed clean.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:24 PM
Turley is a milquetoast who has no clue what time it is. He thinks playing it down the middle between Jesus and Satan is being evenhanded.
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 12:43 AM
Gigi is KJP
Cheap fakes!!!
Called the video of Obama waking Joe from his stupor, “manipulated”
Pathetic.
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Anonymous says:June 17, 2024 at 10:53 PM
Ecclisiastes is in here somewhere as : vanity, all is vanity. ..
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Anonymous says:June 17, 2024 at 10:55 PM
…or Garland is just a coward.
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William Affeldt says:June 17, 2024 at 10:51 PM
Thank God that deep state pos Garland was prevented from being confirmed to SCOTUS. This goes to show you deep and how well camouflaged the deep state really is.
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Mary says:June 17, 2024 at 11:55 PM
Yup. Read Arabella.
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James says:June 17, 2024 at 9:28 PM
Seriously, anyone with intellectual faculties above those of a woke 20 year-old knows the DNC is a regime, of which Garland is a member. Modern dems have broken the laws of physics with their ever increasing lows; the only thing more impressive is their open disdain for our intelligence. And they *just keep going*:
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/06/17/kjp-says-vids-of-biden-struggling-are-deep-fakes-n2397365
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James says:June 17, 2024 at 9:33 PM
PS – if it backfires I would not be surprised to see the WH backflip and then try to convince us, ‘That video of KJP gaslighting about deepfakes was itself a deepfake. RUSSIA!’. These people are hilarious/sick. 😂/🙄 And that includes Garland.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 3:56 PM
I think “sick” is not the word. Perhaps desperate or frantic is closer to the truth. They fear that Trump will seek “vengeance” on them. He won’t, he may seek accountability though. They think it’s the same thing.
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mespo727272 says:June 17, 2024 at 8:52 PM
“You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.”
~Abraham Lincoln
Garland forgot that – if he ever knew it to begin with.
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Milhouse says:June 18, 2024 at 9:25 AM
NOT Lincoln. Lincoln never said that or anything like it. The source for your quote, slightly tweaked, is William John Henry Boetcker (1873–1962)
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mespo727272 says:June 18, 2024 at 10:13 PM
I’ll take that correction.
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Anonymous says:June 17, 2024 at 8:42 PM
Largest crime in US history.
Jail all involved, especially Garland.
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Number 6 says:June 18, 2024 at 1:18 PM
Anonymous said: “Largest crime in US history.”
It is undeniably serious, but hardly what you claim. Just off the top of my head, I think the false flag incitement of the Spanish-American War was a worse crime, as was McNamara and LBJ’s Gulf of Tonkin lie, and I’m reasonably certain there are others of comparable or greater magnitude.
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 3:19 PM
Always funded by the Rothschilds war machine Bank.
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 5:09 PM
Jail ? Club GITMO is better choice… Hold em all in the general population…
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Anonymous says:June 19, 2024 at 6:26 PM
The murder of JFK by the (!@.
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Anonymous says:June 17, 2024 at 8:37 PM
See below as turdrunner just realized that on Jan 22nd 2025, biden will be indicted for violating
18 USC 1984
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Anonymous says:June 17, 2024 at 9:16 PM
REGARDING ABOVE:
Floyd James Estovir is the one and ‘only’ Turdrunner. No one but Floyd has ever used that name.
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Anonymous says:June 17, 2024 at 10:27 PM
The name is tom, turdrummer
I am a healthy 62 year old man who still plays baseball.
Floyd is medically disabled, and is the one who mind fvcked you well before i ever came to this blog.
I am curious, Peter Shill, who you think your audience is, when u say this shit.
Turdrunner is the name i gave you. Own it. Love it. How chickenshit you would give up brandrunner just because i ridiculed you. What a little kunt.
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Milhouse says:June 18, 2024 at 9:31 AM
There is no such section. Title 18 skips from §1968 to §1991.
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Anonymous says:June 18, 2024 at 10:46 AM
That was a typo. It is 18 USC 1924
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They were all reposts of the same post, pedophile. Lmao at your stupid ass
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PUPPET COUNT: EVENING UPDATE
Monday, July 1
Note: This installment of Puppet Watch first ran at 7:22 pm Eastern Time. Since then the troll farm has waged a furious response with at least 16 long, disruptive and nonsensical posts.
And now, here’s how the count looked at 6:00 pm Eastern Time.
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First, the established troll farm is leaning heavily on green anonymous to convey all those mean-spirited, frequently dirty comments that have been staples of these threads. Under green anonymous, at least 47 of those posts are present today.
Secondly, that group of puppets we’ve been calling the ‘Morning Greek chorus Bots’ were mostly absent today. No conventional first and last names with middle initials!
Here’s how the established puppets tally today with number of posts next to names.
Margot Ballhere: 1
dgsnowden: 1
Draft Dodger Consortium: 3
DDC: 1
Elvis Bug: 3
Estovir: 9
Ex Dem: 1
Floyd: 4
Ian Michael Gumby: 2
GEB 11
JAFO: 1
James: 1
Lin: 8
Old Fish: 3
Pleasure Chest Management: 2
Sam: 2
Richard S: 3
Traveler: 6
Floyd akaTurdrunner: 2
Waters: 15
Upstate Farmer: 14
ZZ Doc: 1
One can see the well-established puppets were out in full force today; all except Floyd.
Waters was back with 15 posts after his late night meltdown over the weekend. And old standby Upstate Farmer weighed in with 14. GEB, which isn’t always prominent, posted 11.
Almost every day this past week the troll farm has featured at least one post attributed to host Johnathan Turley. Today was no exception.
To recap, the most notable trend today are the 47 posts under green anonymous hurling garbage at liberal commenters. Curiously its written voice sounds unmistakably like Floyd-Estovir-Hullbobby-Tom-Waters.
“It’s reckless, it’s dangerous, it’s irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don’t like the verdict. Our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years, and it literally is the cornerstone of America.”
——Joe Biden May 30, 2024
“todays Supreme Court decision undermines the rule of law in this nation”
——Joe Biden July 1, 2024
Almost 10:00 PM EDT, so time for me to become Floyd again! Grab your popcorn!
Update (1615ET): Democrat strategists are throwing many things against walls and hoping some stick as the gaslighting continues.
Bloomberg reports that the Democratic National Committee is considering formally nominating Joe Biden as early as mid-July to ensure that the president is on November ballots, while helping to stamp out intra-party chatter of replacing him after last week’s poor debate performance.
Democrats had already planned to nominate Biden, 81, before the convention in order to ensure he appears on the ballot in Ohio, which had an Aug. 7 deadline for candidates to be certified.
A potential date for Biden’s nomination is July 21, when the Democratic convention’s credentials committee meets virtually, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bidens-family-urges-him-fight-blames-debate-disaster-advisors-and-cnn
Well, I’ve always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincere
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think
Oh, by the way, which one’s pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?—-It’s FLOYD
You puppets all have the same “written voice”, according to Peter. He hears voices. (Coocoo for cocoa puffs)
That’s how he recognizes who someone is from his side of the glory hole.
I feel like this ruling today did more to help Obama and Biden than Trump
Drones a US citizen without due process? Immune.
Prosecutes a political rival for non crimes? Immune.
Defies Congress and the Supreme Court to spend $800B? Immune.
Fails to uphold his oath of office and protect the border? Immune.
Tell that to Brandon.
He slammed it.
Smith looks to be 0-5 just as predicted. This guy will need a cheap motel room, a bottle of muscatel, half a pack of Camels and a revolver if this keeps up.
Mr. Biden succeeded because he made toeing the party line his life’s work. Like all politicians whose egos dwarf their talents, he ascended the greasy pole by slavishly following his party wherever it led. In the 1970s and 1980s, the Democrats were a party of post-Vietnam peacenik activists, seeking accommodation with the Soviet Union abroad and appeasement of economic decline at home. And Joe was one of them. When that was discredited by three straight election defeats, the Democrats became the New Democrats, and there was Joe again, backing welfare reform, being tough on crime, and getting macho with America’s post-Cold War enemies. After 9/11 the party fell in for a while behind George W. Bush, and of course Mr Biden was right there too, leading from the middle, backing the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq—until it started to go wrong, when, as his party quickly deserted, so did our man of constant borrow.
Finally—or at least we thought it was final, given his already advanced age—in the ultimate act of partisan servility, he became Barack Obama’s vice president, the summit achievement for the incapable but loyal, the apex position for the consummate yes man. His only roles were to offer his signature eloquence on the boss’s achievements (“This is a big f— deal”) or provide advice that could safely be ignored (“Don’t kill Osama bin Laden”).
But then, just as he was ready to drift into a comfortable and well-deserved obscurity, his party needed a front man—a familiar and innocuous face to take down an unpopular president. They sought a loyal and reliable figurehead, a flag of convenience under which they could sail the progressive vessel into the deepest reaches of American life—on a mission to advance statism, climate extremism and self-lacerating wokery. There was no more loyal and convenient vehicle than Joe.
But now, 42 months (and 81 years) in, it is going horribly wrong. Much of his party has no use for him anymore. They are trying desperately to jettison him and, in a remarkably cynical act of bait-and-switch, swap him out for someone more useful to their cause.
Part of me thinks they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. I find myself in the odd position of wanting to root for poor mumbling Joe in those intense—and presumably somewhat one-sided—conversations that must be going on this week at Camp David and in the White House.
It’s tempting to say to the Democratic machine frantically mobilizing against him: You don’t get to do this. You don’t get to deceive, dissemble and gaslight us for years about how this man was both brilliantly competent at the job and a healing force for national unity, and now tell us, when your deception is uncovered, that it’s bedtime for Bonzo, thanks for your service, and let’s move on.
It should be we the voters who get to deliver the verdict on the last four years, not a bunch of has-beens, time-servers and fat donors. We should have the opportunity to say what we think about a party and a president who, even as they lectured us for four years about the importance of honesty and the sanctity of democracy, were engaged in an extended act of deceit that itself represents pure contempt for the democratic process.
That is what is so galling about the spectacle we have witnessed since the Democrats’ sham exercise collapsed of its own shame in an Atlanta television studio Thursday.
Until the world saw the truth that they had been insisting was “misinformation,” they evidently thought they could get away with promoting the fiction of Mr. Biden’s competence. In perpetuating that fiction they were also revealing their contempt for the voters and for democracy itself.
David Baker
WSJ
On top of all that he has used his position in government for grifting, selling the national interest to gain personal wealth. That has been his lifelong project. Just ask yourself how the Bidens got to be multimillionaires? It’s not like they produce anything.
Peter Shill aka turdrunner says:July 1, 2024 at 5:45 PM
It is now time for my daily sundowners recount of todays posts
As of now, 303 comments, all by Floyd
Floyd can be seen talking to Floyd, about Floyd. Then Floyd pretends to be Waters, cornholing Floyd disguised as Benson.
We know this is true because Floyd only talks to other Floyds.
Now, can the rest of us please have a conversation?
I have to leave for my glory hole gig soon.
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Peter Shill aka turdrunner says:July 1, 2024 at 5:50 PM
Floyd is so determined to dominate his conversation with other Floyds, that he will even call himself Tom and call himself, disguised as Estovir, a total douchebag. He will then shit all over Elvis bug as anonymous, and reply as anonymous bug with third grade responses.
Its as plain as the nose on your face, people (Floyd)!!
So, join me in condemning Floyd, ok Floyd?
Why do insane people insist on informing the population on the exact level or their break from reality?
So I am guessing all the Trump fans will cheer when Biden declares Trump an enemy of the state and has him killed. Biden will be using the exact reasoning Trump gave the SC. Yea Biden, go for it!
Immunity. What’s good for the trump is good for the Biden.
Is he going to do the shooting himself, in your fantasy?
It would not be in Biden’s legal abilities to name an individual an enemy of the State. Especially when it is the leader of the opposition party and a former President. You’re just being silly now aren’t you big guy?! I bet Obama breathed a sigh when that ruling came down, murdering American’s in drone strikes is so sleazy!
In the time necessary for biden to formulate such a notion then communicate it, the election will have been long over.
So Biden is an imbecile? So how is he the mastermind of a vast left wing conspiracy that is attempting to control the world? Can’t have it both ways.
I already answered this question for you, nincompoop.
He reads crap like that on left wing web sites and mindlessly regurgitates it, thinking it’s clever.
The bumbling idiot at 8:36 repeats his earlier steaming turd:
Get over it, Biden is either a bumbling idiot that can barely talk or he is a mastermind and controlling world events. Which is it? Can’t have it both ways.”
I will take door number 1. Biden is a bumbling idiot.
And he is controlling nothing. Why is that, you ask? Because he is a bumbling idiot.
Then who is controlling world events, you ask? The people who are controlling the bumbling idiot.
Whys is this so hard for you to grasp, one might ask? Because you are a bumbling idiot.
Only an imbecile would would be part of a vast left wing conspiracy. Jesus, you people are freaking stupid.
LMAO Excellent Anon @8:18
Just To Clarify:
Presidential Immunity Is Now Broad And Vague
The justices didn’t delve deeply into extensive details of what is and isn’t fair game in Trump’s trials. They instead mostly set broad parameters and sent the case back to U.S. District Court Judge Tanya S. Chutkan to consider how those parameters affect the case.
A few key points:
The court ruled that Trump is absolutely immune from prosecution for any conduct “involving his discussions with Justice Department officials” — a significant segment of his federal indictment. For instance, this would seem to take off the table Trump’s interactions with Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, a key figure who has been indicted in Georgia alongside Trump, as well as other top Justice Department officials telling Trump his voter-fraud theories were wrong.
It ruled that he is presumed immune from prosecution for pressuring then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the election on Jan. 6, 2021, because Trump’s acts “involve official conduct.” It said the burden is on the government to prove that prosecuting Trump for this wouldn’t “pose any dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.”
It left open the possibility that Trump can be prosecuted for other actions, particularly those with regard to people outside the executive branch and in the states. It ruled that “this alleged conduct cannot be neatly categorized as falling within a particular Presidential function.”
All of which means some of Trump’s conduct can still be prosecuted, but some cannot. And figuring out what can and cannot be is to be determined.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/01/4-takeaways-supreme-courts-trump-immunity-decision/
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KEY PASSAGE FROM ABOVE:
“And figuring out what can and cannot be is to be determined”.
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Like so many decisions from this court, today’s ruling leaves more questions than answers.
REGARDING ABOVE
The above Paid DNC troll has all of the markings of David Brock’s Pizzagate.
Key points:
did the bat shlt crazy troll eat pizza with David Brock at Comet Ping Pong Pizza?
It seems very likely!
—– Original Message —–
From: John Podesta
To: James A (Personal) jamesacorp
Cc: Juliana Gendelman; Laura Nichols; Jennifer Palmieri
Sent: Sat Sep 27 22:22:15 2008
Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA…and Podesta?.
I can probably get there around 8:30. Love to do somethind after politics and prose. Catch up on that early in the week.
On 9/27/08, James A (Personal) wrote:
> John,
> > Hello. Some young lawyer type friends of mine are hosting an Obama
> Fundraiser at Comet Ping Pong on Thursday Night and then watching the
> debate. Should be about 150 people and they are raising between 25
> and 35 thousand dollars. Would you be willing to stop by around 8
> o’clock or so and make a little speech. They (and I) would be
> thrilled to have you of course. I understand if you are not available.
> Also, I saw that you are reading at Politics & Prose soon. What can
> we do afterward? Would you like to have a dinner at my places?!?
> Big or small. What do you think?
> See you soon.
> Yours, James Alefantis
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14395
Peter Shill aka turdrunner says:July 1, 2024 at 5:45 PM
It is now time for my daily sundowners recount of todays posts
As of now, 303 comments, all by Floyd
Floyd can be seen talking to Floyd, about Floyd. Then Floyd pretends to be Waters, cornholing Floyd disguised as Benson.
We know this is true because Floyd only talks to other Floyds.
Now, can the rest of us please have a conversation?
I have to leave for my glory hole gig soon.
And figuring out what can and cannot be is to be determined.
It’s called jurisprudence, dum dum.
PUPPY WATCH Monday, July 1. 8:00 pm EST
Watch me spank my puppy, below.
PUPPET WATCH: Monday, July 1. 6:00 pm EST
Two distinct developments are noteworthy today.
First, the established troll farm is leaning heavily on green anonymous to convey all those mean-spirited, frequently dirty comments that have been staples of these threads. Under green anonymous, at least 47 of those posts are present today.
Secondly, that group of puppets we’ve been calling the ‘Morning Greek chorus Bots’ were mostly absent today. No conventional first and last names with middle initials!
Here’s how the established puppets tally today with number of posts next to names.
Margot Ballhere: 1
dgsnowden: 1
Draft Dodger Consortium: 3
DDC: 1
Elvis Bug: 3
Estovir: 9
Ex Dem: 1
Floyd: 4
Ian Michael Gumby: 2
GEB 11
JAFO: 1
James: 1
Lin: 8
Old Fish: 3
Pleasure Chest Management: 2
Sam: 2
Richard S: 3
Traveler: 6
Floyd akaTurdrunner: 2
Waters: 15
Upstate Farmer: 14
ZZ Doc: 1
One can see the well-established puppets were out in full force today; all except Floyd.
Waters was back with 15 posts after his late night meltdown over the weekend. And old standby Upstate Farmer weighed in with 14. GEB, which isn’t always prominent, posted 11.
Almost every day this past week the troll farm has featured at least one post attributed to host Johnathan Turley. Today was no exception.
To recap, the most notable trend today are the 47 posts under green anonymous hurling garbage at liberal commenters. Curiously its written voice sounds unmistakably like Floyd-Estovir-Hullbobby-Tom-Waters.
Sorry stooge we already got the official count from Peter shill, aka turdrunner
Pleasure Chest Management: 2
Love this one!!!! LMAO
What makes you think Im a puppet?
-G
Current Pacific Coast Time: 4:24 pm
It’s still warm and sunny near our pool by the canyon. About to get a good workout.
LMAO
It is now time for my daily sundowners recount of todays posts
As of now, 303 comments, all by Floyd
Floyd can be seen talking to Floyd, about Floyd. Then Floyd pretends to be Waters, cornholing Floyd disguised as Benson.
We know this is true because Floyd only talks to other Floyds.
Now, can the rest of us please have a conversation?
I have to leave for my glory hole gig soon.
Floyd is so determined to dominate his conversation with other Floyds, that he will even call himself Tom and call himself, disguised as Estovir, a total douchebag. He will then shit all over Elvis bug as anonymous, and reply as anonymous bug with third grade responses.
Its as plain as the nose on your face, people (Floyd)!!
So, join me in condemning Floyd, ok Floyd?
I would like to take a moment to recognize two GREAT (ahem) Americans. They are solely responsible for saving America and DEMOCRACY for generations to come.
One, whose last years in Congress will forever be the capstone of an otherwise shit career.
The other, whose last act on this earth, dying, made recompense for all the harm caused during her life.
Mitch McConnell and Ruth Bader Ginsberg
Just watch me. Watch me.
—-Joe Biden, when questioned about his dementia
Just believe me. Believe me
—-Joe Bide now
“We have a great team of people who will help govern”
—-Ro Khanna
It did not go well when Germany went Fascist in the 1930s. Why oh why do you want to instate that in the United States with trump?
Because he is an orange god!!!
Idiot
Wait, what? You’re talking about the fascism of weaponizing the justice system against a political opponent, right? Locking his campaigners in jail (Bannon) and trying to lock him in jail, right? IOW, the fascism being perpetrated by the Dems, including Biden. This Scotus decision acts to curtail that, no?
Not to mention the fascism of putting the central government in cahoots with the media, including social media, to censor stories and promote the regime.
You need to get educated. When the right goes dictator it becomes fascism. There are many forms of fascism but fascism it is.
When the left goes dictator it becomes communism and there are many forms of communism.
Like I said, it did not go well when Germany went fascist. trump has indicated he is on the same page as hitler. He hates LGBTQ, he hates immigrants, He hates “woke” whatever that is. He wants to keep black people in “black jobs” whatever that means.
You really need to get educated. Don’t be a cult member. Study what the cult really stands for.
And no, don’t go off on any BS about my support for Biden. You know nothing of what I support. I do see the danger of trump and his fascist ways. Just look at what almost happened on Jan 6, 2021. And NO, Biden did not orchestrate trumps criminal indictments. He did it to himself. trump had classified documents in his residence, He has admitted as much. His NY fraud trial had nothing to do with the Feds. His defamation case about his being a rapist had nothing to do with the Feds.
Get over it, Biden is either a bumbling idiot that can barely talk or he is a mastermind ad controlling world events. Which is it? Can’t have it both ways.
And you need to leave your fantasy world and join this world.
As for Biden himself, he is a dementia ridden corpse being propped up as a puppet by a fascist regime intent on screwing real Americans and serving its moneyed elite even if the society they rule overthrows the Constitution and becomes a dystopia for everyone else, which is exactly what is happening under “Joe Biden.” I have never claimed Biden is a mastermind. Even before he had dementia Biden was one of the lowest IQ senators in America, not to mention one of the sleaziest in American history.
Again, you fail to grasp what a fascist is. Fascism is a right wing phenomena. AKA Trump induced, not Biden. Want to call Biden a nasty name, try communist. Except he is so far from communist that you must truly be blind. Either blind or a trump cult follower that just says whatever the dear orange cult leader says.
You elevate the superficial left-right terminology over reality. Look a little deeper. Trump is the opposite of a fascist. He opposes state-corporate control of propaganda, the suppression of free speech, and aggressive foreign wars. He favors greater civil freedoms at home such as speech, religion, and color-blind hiring and admissions. These are not the positions of a fascist but of a freedom lover, the opposite of a fascist.
Also Trump is pro-Second Amendment whereas fascists disarm the population so as to exercise that much more control. You can go down the list but in pretty much every way Trump’s policies are the opposite of those of a fascist. The Dems are the reverse.
The bumbling idiot says:
Get over it, Biden is either a bumbling idiot that can barely talk or he is a mastermind and controlling world events. Which is it? Can’t have it both ways.”
I will take door number 1. Biden is a bumbling idiot.
And he is controlling nothing. Why is that, you ask? Because he is a bumbling idiot.
Then who is controlling world events, you ask? The people who are controlling the bumbling idiot.
Whys is this so hard for you to grasp, one might ask? Because you are a bumbling idiot.
‘Anonymous’ from the Darkside – the only fascist here is the emperor in the WH using exec orders bypassing Congress all the time – so why don’t u wake up – STOP cluttering this forum on purpose with your constant Turley slamming & beyond-stupid comments – WHO is paying u to sit on this site to do this? PROF TURLEY when does this Troll’s abuse finally cross the line beyond ‘Free Speech?’
David Sacks
@DavidSacks
I commend the Biden Family for sticking together in the face of the Democrat Insurrection. Hunter Biden knows rock-bottom when he sees it. It’s only up from here!
And? How do interpret that? Sacks is supporting Trump this time, so maybe he wants Biden to stay in and lose, no?
it is parody