YETI is under fire this week after barring a conservative group from buying its product in a raw political stance. Clare Boothe Luce Center for Conservative Women (CBL) previously had cups made with its logo, but YETI now says that it was a mistake.
Kimberly Begg, the president of the northern Virginia-based organization told Fox Business that YETI suddenly cancelled its order for its signature seafoam mugs after the order was placed and after they paid $1,608.
She said that the use of the the phrase “conservative women” was on the “political aisle.”
A YETI spokesperson told Fox Business:
“Starting with our first customized Rambler® Drinkware in 2015, we’ve used our best efforts to create and adhere to a policy that prevents customizing products aligned with any political affiliations or organizations in addition to content that could be considered obscene, vulgar, profane, discriminatory, defamatory, or hateful.”
It is not clear how this policy has been applied and whether CBL was barred as political or hateful or other criteria. I am assuming that the word “conservative” triggered the response.
Even assuming that this is evenly applied, how is “political” defined? Does this mean that the Democratic party or pro-choice groups also are stuck with cold coffee?
There are plenty of “political” groups that buy YETIs that do not have “liberal” or “conservative” in their names. Many contribute to elections or engage in lobbying. A wide range of groups have “political affiliations or organizations.” These are generally not-for-profits engaged in free speech activities. Selling them a YETI cup is no more of an endorsement than their buying hats made by Custom Ink.
Would this order have been filled if it simply read “Clare Boothe Luce Center”? If so, this becomes a rather superficial policy.
The YETI policy seems hopelessly subjective and potentially . . . you guessed it . . . political.
If you are truley in support of free speech. This is not the website for you , it used to be but no. Ore .
Instead check out the fire.org
Right wing, left wing positions are equally addressed .
This is not the website for Maplady, who goes into days’ long Midol Moments when she reads Professor Turley’s exposing of her beloved Soviet Democrat-Marxist Mainstream Media Propaganda Complex.
How about we DON’T monetize your fellow commies at fire.whatever with our clicks?
FIRE is not communist. Turley has praised it in the past. I would be shocked if he is not a contributor and close to many of its leaders or founders.
FIRE is the pre-eminent free speech advocate int he country. There primary focus has been schools and colleges.
They started as an ACLU type organization – filling in as the ACLU shiffted from purist free speech advocacy to left foccused advocacy.
FIRE sues schools and colleges over violations of free speech.
They pretty much NEVER lose.
They publish a ratings guide of US colleges ranking them with respect to speech.
The members and founders of FIRE are from the right and from the left.
They share the value of near absolute free speech in common.
There are some – usually older liberals on the left who continue to value free speech.
50 years ago advocacy for real free speech was mostly from the left.
Today most BUT NOT ALL the left is openly hostile to free speech.
Conversely the political right is valuing free speech more and more all the time.
I guess it’s necessary to ban the word “conservative” from the English language.
ICE is doing gestapo-style disappearances of people who simply protest against administration policies but the problem is YETI? Sure.
Try adding some factual content ….. it might help you make a valid point.
It’s so sad to see this website devolve into a PR for the Trump administratiin .
Not a peep about Signalgate .
Nor the attack on law firms speech
Nor the lack of due process is EVERYTHING this admin does !
It’s not sad to see Marxist Maplady occasionally drop in to freak out that X is no longer Twitter and The Oval Office House Plant’s propaganda machine.
Not sad to see Marxist Maplady failing at her hopes of somehow or other turning “Signalgate” into something at least remotely like the House Plant deserting thousands of Americans in Afghanistan and acting as the Quartermaster In Chief to the world’s hajji terrorists.
Not sad to see Marxist Maplady dazed and confused that law firms that engaged in felonies with foreign spies while pushing Obama’s illegal “Trump-Russia Dossier” do not get to call those felonies “free speech”.
But… Marxist Maplady is a Cheap Fake American visiting here from the Soviet Democrat Borg. The ideal Tinder date for George – they just have to decide who gets to play the one with an outie and the other one playing the part of an innie.
They have not disappeared, they have been detained and deported. They are going home.
They have not simply protested administration policy,
They have actively engaged in supporting terrorist organizations.
All countries including the US are free to allow or reject foreigners based on any criteria they wish – including their views on various subjects.
We can not deport US citizens over political disagreements. But the US was not obligated to accept Nazi’s – even if those Nazi’s never committed a crime, and merely advocated for genocide or racial discrimination.
So YES the US can refuse to grant you a visa or residence as well as remove you – based purely on speech of policy differences.
But that is not what is occuring.
Finally who is it that says that is what is occuring.
The same people who lied about pee tapes, russian collusion. alleged russian disinformation, covid and a long list of other things.
There is no reason to beleive them now.
I see George of the Bungle is pontificating below, the latest DNC talking points. The best “response” to him is from an ex-Democrat, J H Kunstler, who wrote:
The Democratic Party displays exactly the characteristics that human beings traditionally associate with pure evil. Above all, it lies about everything that it does. It lies, of course, in order to deceive you, so that you won’t understand how it is working to vanquish you and your posterity (your kids and their future). RussiaGate, Covid-19, the Ukraine War, all were marinated in lies. The lies operate through the perversion of language, so you won’t understand what is being said. For instance: that the Democratic Party is working to save our democracy. That howler persists in their every public performance.
The Democratic Party controls the major organs of information: The New York Times, CNN, Hollywood. They are the conveyers of lies, bamboozling the body politic to divide and conquer it. The Democratic party is a bad faith legion enlisted to defend the Father-of-Lies, America’s Deep State (a.k.a. the blob). That information regime is failing now along with the Democratic Party. The Deep State is failing with them. They are the parasites that kills its host. They intend to kill the republic as they go down.
https://www.kunstler.com/p/bedlam-pending
Yeti sells vastly overpriced insulated items to people who are incapable of rational thought. In regard to their coolers, Lifetime brand has products (available at Walmart and elsewhere) that deliver ~80% of the performance of a Yeti at ~20% of the price.
I have a cup made by Polar Camel in China that is better than my Yeti at keeping things hot or cold.
John Say says: There are some exceptions to this Canada can not at this time easily sell the Oil it produces in quantity anywhere but the US.
Trump’s tariffs create the ‘Wild West’ on Wisconsin’s factory floors
https://y94.com/2025/03/11/trumps-tariffs-create-the-wild-west-on-wisconsins-factory-floors/
The state is also exposed at the gas pump. Trump’s Canadian tariffs include 10% on energy, much of which is not eligible for the one-month waiver. Wisconsin gets much of its oil and gas from Alberta, funneled into the state’s sole refinery in Superior. Underlining Wisconsin’s northern exposure: That refinery is owned by Canadian oil and gas producer Cenovus Energy.Meanwhile we cannot at this time easily replace the hydroelectric power we depend on for our grid’s demands from anywhere but Canada. Manufacturing doesn’t just depend on petroleum products – it also depends on electricity. Electrical demands are going to soar as we go full in on AI, aside from increases in manufacturing.
We can claim to be so oil independent that our refineries have ended our existing dependence on importing some specific Canadian petroleum products. I see nothing to support anyone making that claim as our petroleum production of all grades of oil is right now. But not even Trump has claimed we are electrical energy independent for our manufacturing. He is protected from the threats of Canada’s Trump Mini-Me, Ontario’s Premier Ford. Ford is the equivalent of one of our state’s governors: he does not have the power and authority to apply tarrifs to products – that power belongs to the Canadian prime minister, just as it belongs to the president here.
I have missed it if Trump has began the construction hydroelectric infrastructure of coal, gas, or nuclear power plants, so we can thumb our nose at Canada and their products and be completely independent of a requirement for some Canadian oil and electrical power for our manufacturing..
Nor have I heard if Trump has began broadening our petroleum distribution infrastructure (as well as electrical infrastructure) to protect those Blue Wall states he won when the mid-term elections arrive when voting season starts in eighteen months.
That would be the states who currently get most of their petroleum products from Canada due to our existing infrastructure which has bypassed them so far, as it was more economical to obtain petroleum products from the province of Ontario just across the border.
Meanwhile, Trump has provided the hated current Canadian Marxist coalition minority government of the Leninist Liberals and NDP “Democratic Socialists” with a Trump-like political resurrection from the political ashes of their years of failure in governing.
Prior to Trump’s choice to attack Canada by threatening to annex them, to destroy them economically if they did not bend the knee to his one way tariffs, Canadians were overwhelmingly supporting the Conservative leader who is more small government, more fiscally and socially conservative than Trump. A Conservative leader with a history of generally supporting Trump’s presidency.
The minority Marxist coalition government of Canada, who had no issue to run on in their country’s election in a few short months, now has the Trump threat to annex Canada to make the issue of for this election. While their new globalist, Climate Change, bankster leader is now running as the anti-Trump, portraying the Conservative leader as a threat to Canadians due to his history of generally supporting Trump.
Aside from ALL the trade and economic considerations, not just a carefully chosen select few, how are Americans better off if Trump helps a globalist, Climate Change, bankster socialist like Mark Carney win a majority Canadian government for the next six years, rather than a Canada under the governance of a conservative?
Second and third order effects following presidential decisions are a feature of foreign policy and economic decisions, not just political decisions regarding Afghanistan, Hong Kong, and Ukraine.
Most anything we do or do not do has 2nd and third order impacts.
For the most part YOU focus on first order ones and pretend they are both permanent and unforeseable.
Canada has NOT been a source of fossil fuels for very long. Do you think that no one in Wisconsin was able to drive a car for lack of Gasoline 30 years ago ? The US has the production capacity to completely replace all Canadian oil. It has the refining capacity to completely replace all Canadian refining. These Tarrifs have been threatened from before the election and atleast since the election businesses have been preparing.
But there still may be some short term disruption. SOME things can be addressed immediately. Some take more than a few months.
Oil is a commodity – the US need not purchase it from Canada. I would bet that dormant Fracking in the Dakotas and OK and TX started coming back online in November.
Trump has been repeatedly delaying these Tarriffs.
Maybe he is doing so because Canada is quietly moving towards giving him what he wants.
Maybe he is doing so to give Automakers and oil companies more time to replace resources from Canada.
Maybe he is doing so because he is bluffing.
You can beleive whatever you want.
You can beleive that the impacts will be massively devastating to the US and harmless to Canada and long lasting on the US.
Put differently you are free to beleive things that are totally wrong.
The Biden economy has been absolutley disasterous. AND as Gigi says repeatedly the US economy under Biden was the strongest int he world.
TWO things can both be true.
Conversely the canadian economy has been stagnant for 15 years.
The impact of these tarriffs if they occur in a few days will be negative – for the US and for Canada.
The US can take the hit, and the impact in the US will be shortlived.
Canada can not take the hit and the impact – atleast in some areas is potentially permanent.
The US rust belt has significant unused industrial capacity.
If I was the CEO of Ford I would have started preparing to move what autoparts production I was getting from Canada to the US starting in November. It takes time – but not forever to shift production.
Even if these Tarriffs never go into effect – it is likely that US Autocompanies will move their parts production back to the US as they can.
Canada should have capitulated BEFORE automakers started to plan for possible Tarriffs.
The situation with electricity is different. While the US has massive generating capacity – AND we have an enormous capaity in older Coal plants that were shutdown or scaled back in the past decade it is unlikely we can completely replace Canadian electricity.
That said – While Canada can with great difficulty sell some of the oil it produces and sends to the US elsewhere in the world.
Electricity is not a globally traded commodity. The Power generated at Niagra Falls can not be sold to Europe.
If Canada shuts off electricity to the US:
There will be serious problems in the US. And Canada will lose a fortune in revenue instantly.
But the more important impact will be long term. If the US does not trust Canada to deliver electricity we will decrease our dependence on Canadian electricty.
The US is not self sufficient in all things
BY CHOICE
What we buy from the rest of the world we do so because it is better for the country to buy many things cheep from other places and to produce more valuable products in the US. But that is only true if the US is producing at maximum capacity.
And we are not.
The worst thing that other countries in the world can do is presume that they are indispensible to the US.
They are not.
Those of you on the left fawning over immigrants should be celebrating.
In the long run the US needs more not less immigration.
The more we move towards reducing foreign dependence, the more immigration we will need.
But we will be looking for moderate skilled workers, Not no skill Hatians or dangerous Tda members.
We will be seeking immigrants from many of the countries we are deporting to. But we will be seeking those who come with something to offer – besides drugs and violence.
Trump tries to sell tarrifs as a revenue producer. In theory that is true and Tarriffs are a one of the more efficient and less economically harmful ways of taxing.
In practice that is unlikely to be true.
The more likely impact of tarrifs – particularly high tarriffs will be to speed up the already occuring reshoring of business – partiularly manufacturing to the US.
Many factors are driving that.
Trump’s announcement of $2T in foreign investment is at best only partly a response to Tarrifs.
But Tarriffs are likely accelerating the process.
You can fixate on potential US economic disruptions from Tarriffs – and if they take place there will be some.
But the most relevant question is how long will those disruptions last.
Do you think the US is incapable of producing oil, gasoline, electricity auto parts ?
There is nothing Canada sells to us, we can not produce ourselves.
There is nothing we sell to canada we will not easily be able to sell elsewhere int he world.
I quit buying Yeti when this dissed the NRA.
Yeti is overpriced. It’s no different that the Walmart Ozark brand that you can get for $9. You’re not paying for the cup. You’re paying for the name “YETI”.
AND the Second Amendment. AND Republicans who wouldn’t support Obama/Biden Woke and “systemic white racism”.
Didn’t harm Yeti to do that. The local and chain sporting goods stores here in Montana and next door in Idaho never stopped stocking Yeti products.
They would have dropped Yeti if the customers walking through their doors had bought so few Yeti products that it wasn’t worth it to give them space in those stores.
Seriously, the Juristocracy is seizing control of America, and the topic is the collectivist bent of YETI?
These are the levels of absurdity the modern left have achieved. It would actually be impressive, were it not so equally pathetic -this level of pure bile and stupidity is indeed a Herculean feat. It would also have been literal satire just ten years ago.
Pfft. Impossible to take seriously, I am happy to tramp all over their moronicism, a word I just invented. They invent words every day, and worse, add them to dictionaries with no consent; why should we be any different?
Modern left: you are clowns, and we all see it. And no, we are not going to continue to support clowns in positions of anything but the equivalent of court jesters, since the global, modern left insists on regressing to Feudalism in 2025. Enjoy the uncomfortable courtesy laughs you get, because that is all you are getting from us as we move on without you.
Moronicism is the official State religion of the Idiocracy.
On a visit to the Marine base at Quantico, JD Vance joined the Marines for lunch.
He wore a bright red hat emblazoned with “Once a Marine, Always a Marine.
Real Marines learn on Day One, that you never wear your cover in the mess hall.
Here are a few comments from X.
“Marines learn on Day 1 to never wear their cover inside and damn sure never to eat with it on. Maybe Corporal Correspondent went to a different boot camp than I did.”
“This boy was a Marine? Why the hell is he still wearing his cover in the cookhouse?”
“As a Marine, you’d think JD Vance would know he needs to take his hat off indoors. This add more skepticism to his bull—- origin story,”
Your trolling is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Vance attained the rank of corporal in the Marine Corps, and his decorations include the Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal and the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal. He was deployed to the Iraq war and served his country with distinction. You sit at your keyboard in your mom’s basement, eating buggers, and that’s the best you can come up with? Wow.
Nobody wears their hat in the mess, Marine or not. Other than duty NCO’s and officers – I have seen a few generals drop in to show the troops they were one of them who didn’t remove their cover (I don’t think they were Marines, though).
And so you’re announcing you’re skeptical that Vance was ever a Marine? WOW!!!!!
You should have pointed out your doubt during the 2024 election you lost! Instead you ran with claims he’s “weird”, and actually dumb.
BTW, while you were so eager to point at the apparent transgression of the Secretary Of Defense wearing a hat in the mess: got any comments on Command Sergeant Major Walz’s choice to carry a civilian AR-15 into mortal combat in Afghanistan?
Marines in uniform do not wear their covers indoors. Vice President Vance is a civilian. He has his DD-214 under honorable discharge.
Whoever used the term “cookhouse” is a fraud. It is a chow hall.
Unlike many other politicians with a military background Vance has never exagerated his military accomplishments.
Unlike Walz – Vance was in an actual combat zone.
Unlike Walz Vance did not claim to have seen combat when he did not.
Walz’s military service allows him to connect with soldiers.
His honesty and humility strengthen that connection.
The sick, woke leftists never learn…their arrogance is almost incomprehensible. Just imagine the number of customers they will now lose due to their wokeness…and i am one of them.
That new woke remake of Snow White is killing it at the box office. /sarc
So much so that Disney decided to do a live-action remake of Pocahontas starring Dylan Mulvaney in the title role. /the Bee
OldManFromKS,
I read the live-action remake of Pocahontas would be starring Liz Warren in the title role.
Upstate – Liz Warren will be playing John Smith.
OT, Trump to step down as POTUS and take a more powerful position as a US district judge:
After ascending to the presidency twice in the last decade, Trump set his sights on the next rung up the political ladder, with a spot in the federal judiciary proving him with far more authority to rule the nation.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-leaves-presidency-to-become-even-more-powerful-district-court-judge
“with a spot in the federal judiciary proving him with far more authority to rule the nation.”
Babylon Bee must have failed to proofread this one. I presume it should have been “providing him with far more authority to rule the nation.” Good parody, nevertheless.
When it comes to Yetis, and similar mugs and cups, there is an ongoing problem of keeping the lids clean of hydro-carbon sludge. It is darn near impossible to clean them adequately, without disassembling the lid, and wiping the glop off the gasket. So, I buy replacement lids, and while the original lid is soaking in Dawn/Degreaser, I use the replacement lid and swap it out. Next Walmart order, I am buying a can of compressed air, to see if that makes cleaning the lids easier.
“I wanted a Tesla, but all I got was this stupid cup.”
YETI has gone ‘brand protective’ because it’s investor’s like Charles Schwab (and Others*) are Politically Agnostic.
Nothing more to it.
Schwab to Discontinue its Political Action Committee
[ Link] aboutschwab.com/story/schwab-to-discontinue-its-PAC
Why We Don’t Take Sides on Political Issues
https://www.aboutschwab.com/why-we-dont-take-sides-on-political-Issues
Charles Schwab Investment Management Inc. increased its position in YETI Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:YETI) by 5.4% in the fourth quarter, owning 773,553 shares, valued at $29.79 million, as of its most recent SEC filing.
Investment: Charles Schwab Investment Management Inc. grew its position in YETI Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:YETI).
Increase: The firm’s position increased by 5.4% in the fourth quarter.
Shares Owned: Charles Schwab Investment Management Inc. owned 773,553 shares of YETI Holdings, Inc. after acquiring an additional 39,709 shares during the quarter.
Value: The value of the shares owned by Charles Schwab Investment Management Inc. was $29.79 million as of the most recent SEC filing.
Percentage of Ownership: Charles Schwab Investment Management Inc. owned 0.91% of YETI.
* Key People and Institutions:
https://trendlyne.com/us/equity/ownership/1405177/YETI/feb-2025/yeti-holdings-inc/
Staying out of the Political Fray is just good business, Besides the Election Year is over most co-branded Products will end up in a Garage sale before the next Election (2028).
Censoring political speech by private industry 🤔. What’s the case law on this? Precedent?
Political speech is an advertisement. In this case it’s a women’s group. Women are a protected group. Denial of political speech to a protected group by industry.
Political speech doesn’t have protection so industry loses. Maybe yeti thinks conservative women are obscene.
OT: It’s easier to burn a Tesla than create a Tesla. Those who cannot burn those who can and everyone loses. Thinking of planlanquins (sp). Coffins are still carried as such.
Can I go off-topic first, before Dennis McIntyre finishes writing and editing his political screed for today?
BREAKING NEWS Jonathan! The Democrats remain unanimous in refusing to condemn the violent terrorist attacks on Tesla products and their owners! Shades of the Democrat Mostly Peaceful Riots of the 2020 election campaign!
Nancy Pelosi Silent on Tesla Attacks, Refuses to Condemn Violence
https://www.dailyfetched.com/nancy-pelosi-silent-on-tesla-attacks-refuses-to-condemn-violence/
Terrorist attacks? ROFL! It’s just vandalism. Those who get caught will get face state charges, not federal charges. Tesla dealerships are not federal property. Terrorism attacks, LOL!!! Good one.
I guess the Boston marathon was a federal site. I guess the Twin Towers were a federal site. I guess the Pulse Nightclub was a federal site.
Since when must it be a federal site to be terrorism?
The Boston marathon involved a bomb. That makes it a federal offense. Vandalism is not unless its on federal property.
The Twin Towers involved highjacking of aircraft, also a federal offense.
The lawyers in NYC who tossed Molotov Cocktails into a police car were charged and sentenced in Federal Court.
If the FEDS want these cases – they will have them. They will have them – whether there are terrorism charges or not.
The Soviet Democrat Borg’s spokesman posted ROFL! It’s just vandalism.
You forgot to add “MOSTLY PEACEFUL” to the claim of vandalism. Just like the 570+ violent riots across the USA during the election compaign prior to the 2020 election was just vandalism. If you want to call rioting, pillaging, looting, arson and murder “mostly peaceful vandalism”.
In the commie Democrat world, crashing your vehicle into a Tesla to attempt to force the female driver and her vehicle off the road is nothing but “vandalism” – mostly peaceful vandalism.
In the commie Democrat world, setting fires to Tesla dealerships is nothing more than “just vandalism” – MOSTLY PEACEFUL VANDALISM.
Good one, commie! The use of the term “Commie Useful Idiots” is going to remain useful for years to come!
“Those who get caught will get face state charges, not federal charges.”
“A Las Vegas resident made his initial appearance today in United States District Court in Las Vegas, Nevada, to face *federal charges* related to an arson at a Tesla collision business.” (emphasis added) (https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/nevada-resident-arrested-and-charged-connection-violent-tesla-arson-las-vegas)
Care to try again?
Then you understand they’re violent?
Again Turley ignores the elephant in the room, the assault on liberty and free speech and due process if anyone dares criticize Israel.
In a way you have to admire his ability to find this irrelevant tripe and keep avoiding any mention of the persistent and egregious attacks on the Indispensable Right by Trump and company.
I looked really hard for news about the senate hearings on free speech Turley allegedly testified at. Finally found some at the Federalist otherwise known as the seditious filth network. Looks like it was less a formal senate sub committe meeting than a staged event for right wing firebrands to vent about their hurt feelings. No wonder it didn’t get any real coverage
I wonder if upstate farmer is feeling any effects from Trump’s unprovoked declaration of war on our former friend and ally Canada.
Also wonder if old fart from Kansas is feeling any effects from tarrifs on wheat exports and losing the guaranteed market they had before USAID was shut done for no real reason.
I guess in your twisted mind hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars wasted supporting Marxist propaganda and terror organizations constitutes “no reason.”
So says uninformed ignoramus USAID was probably one of the most cost effective and beneficial programs ever. Even the Republicans admitted as much before they sold their souls to the dark side
But rant on. If you scream it often and loud enough it must be true MAGA doctrine. Don’t pop a cork though
Just present a receipt for purchases and work paid to whom and you’ll be paid. So far 187 thousand has been paid with receipts a far cry from 2 billion. HIV Vax cost 1 dollar in Africa. VAX 2 BILLION PEOPLE with receipts. Location, names, dates the usual…
There will be very little impact of Tarriffs on Globally traded commodities.
It will just change who buys from who, and possibly increase transportation costs as the sources and destinations changes.
Tarriffs that have an impact are those on non-commodity products, products with only a single producer, or with limited distribution options.
This is also why absent broad uniform tarrifs, Trump’s tarriffs will also not bring in substantial revenue. They will just re-arrange supply chains.
There are some exceptions to this Canada can not at this time easily sell the Oil it produces in quantity anywhere but the US.
The US can replace Canadian oil easier than Canada can build the infrastruction to transport to a different market.
But replacement in the quantities involved is also non-trivial.
Products like eggs and dairy that are typically local, or regional and not global in distribution will be impacted.
Products where access to US markets is critical will be impacted.
Products where one country is a the dominant producer will be impacted.
But the effects on globally traded commodities will be minimal.
“ The US can replace Canadian oil easier than Canada can build the infrastruction to transport to a different market.”
No, it can’t. The majority of our refining capacity cannot switch to a different type of crude. 50% of our oil comes from Canada. The tar sands oil is thicker and requires a lot of processing before it can be used to refine into fuel and other products. Switching to a different type of oil is extremely expensive and would require refineries shut down to reconfigure adding costs and higher fuel prices. We sell our excess oil to other countries, oil that we don’t have the capacity to refine because we are using largely Canadian oil.
Canada can build a pipeline to their west coast and sell to China. Sure it will take time, BUT once the infrastructure is in place it gives Canada better options than the U.S. Mexico could sell their oil to China too. Our oil companies make a profit by selling our oil abroad. They wouldn’t be making money trying to sell the excess oil within our market. The overproduction would bring prices too low to make a profit.
Tariffs will affect the global economy for sure. As long as Trump keeps making these irrational tit for tat escalations and exemptions based on his mood.
They won’t bring back manufacturing as much as he claims. Car companies will be begging for government subsidies to build new factories and supply chains. Plus they will have to content with higher worker pay because American workers won’t work for $9-$15hr to build cars and investors will be demanding stock higher stock prices and lower labor costs. Lower insurance costs and better quality. None of those things will work here. There is a reason why U.S. Products like cars are not as good in quality as the EU, Japan, or even China. EU doesn’t have room for gigantic SUV’s or trucks. They need small cars and they are not profitable. China has an overcapacity of car manufacturing and they don’t need more from us.
We are not going to fare well with Trump in office and we are certainly not going to see lower grocery prices and lower inflation any time soon.
As is typical you are a moron.
The oil from the Permian and Bakken is NOT TAR oil and is refined in the US – we have more than enough additional capacity both in oil production and refining.
The most significant problem the US has is a smaller mirror of the Canadian problem. Most US refinign capacity is along the coasts.
The frakked oil from the Bakken and Permian and elsewhere is mostly NOT transported by pipeline to refineries.
But refineries are being built near the Fracked oil production, and our distribution networks are re-0arranging to accomadate shifting supply and demand. Much of these started long before Trump won in 2024.
Absolutely there will be disruptions if Trump moves forward in a few days.
But they will be far worse for Canada than the US.
And more importantly, even if these Tarriffs do NOT get implimented, and definited if they do,
The mere discussion of high Canadian tarrifs is negatively impacting Canada.
There is NOTHING the US imports from anywhere int he world that we can not produce ourselves.
There is very little that we import that we have not in the past produced ourselves.
We have CHOSEN to outsource some production – because it was more efficient to do so at the time.
Some of that has been returning – independent of Tariffs – because conditions change.
George – as usual you do not know what you are talking about.
But lets assume that you do. How long do you think it would take a US refinery setup for Tar oil to reconfigure ?
How long do you think it will Take Canada to build a pipeline to the Coast to replace the Keystone XL ?
Separately – Parts of The Keystone and related pipelines Transport Oil from the Permian and Bakken – that is fracked oil.
Think about it.
How long have US refineries had to prepare for the possible loss of Canadian oil ?
Oil is a global commodity – Oil Oil companies make pretty much the same profit no matter where they sell it.
You are making the argument that it is more profitable to refine Canadian Tar oil – which is harder to refine, and to sell North Texas Crude and transport it accross the world.
It is entirely possible that you are correct – at any given moment in time.
But the marginal differences are a percent or two at the most NOT 15%.
While there be possibly short term large disruptions in the US ? Absolutely.
Will those consequences last very long – in most instances NOPE.
Tarriffs will have minimal impact on globally traded commodities = absent uniform global tarriffs on commodities that can’t be produced internally.
If the US does not Sell Soy to China – Brazil will. And whoever Brazil would have sold to will buy from the US.
There will be a small global price increase to cover slightly higher transport costs.
Honda is building cars in the US. Mercedes is building cars in the US, Toyota is building cars in the US.,
soon Hyundai will be building cars in the US.
None of those companies are “begging for subsidies”.
Subsidies are an incredibly ignorant economic idea. That have always resulted in higher costs and poorer quality.
Just say no to stupid.
Ford, GM, etc. can compete with OTHER US car manufactuers – you know, Honda, and Toyota, and Mercedes and Hyundai.
Or they can go bankrupt. My bet is they compete and succeed.
Absolutely Tarrifs will increase wages in the US in the short term – that is litterally one of their goals.
The mere THREAT of tarrifs will do that.
Trump has been threatening Tarriffs on Canada since before the election.
Do you think that on Nov, 6 2024 the CEO of Ford said – we do not have to worry about Tarriffs disrupting autoparts comming from Canada – lets do NOTHING ?
There is surplus labor and manufacturing capacity in the rust belt – you know the place Auto parts USED to be built.
It will take time to turn that on – and the clock started on Nov. 6 2024 – not April 2, 2025.
Do you understand that AirBus makes airplanes in the US ?
Are Tarriffs the MAJOR factor driving a return of US manufacturing – NO. ALMOST every foreign company that is manufacturing in the US started doing so LONG AGO.
Tarriffs – even the Threat of Tarriffs will speed that up.
I would bet Trump’s goal is NOT about the economy in May 2025.
It is about the economy in July 2026.
Trump needs to win the mid terms to continue the legislative portions of his agenda.
To do that he needs a boom headed into the elections.
Especially a blue collar boom.
Will americans work for $X/hr ? Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, Airbus have no problems getting workers.
Hyundai must beleive there are still more available.
Again – Tarriffs are not the driving force.
Most of the foreign companies I listed moved production because they have a labor shortage at home. and because long term economic shifts have reduced the competitive advantages they had in the past.
The US has the best and cheapest transport infrustructure in the world, the lowest energy costs in the world, among the most skilled labor in the world. Foreign producers selling into US markets must have a 15% cost advantage at the factory door or it makes more economic sense to relocate.
Rising standard of living and labor costs in China have made the economics of manufacturing in china for US remarkets a slowly declining return.
These are not issues that came about in the past 4 months. They are multi-decade trends.
Tarriffs merely pushe these companies to move faster.
“There is a reason why U.S. Products like cars are not as good in quality as the EU, Japan, or even China.”
Nearly every Japanese car maker has moved some or all of its production to the US. The Japanese are generally doing what Ford and GM are doing in the north. Parts are made in Japan – or Mexico and the car is build in the US.
Japan has been moving production not just because of costs, but because their labor force is declining.
China has a declining labor for.
Most of Europe has a declining labor force.
The US has a very small decline in labor force – lagging about 20 years behind europe and japan and china.
Further legal immigration int he US has made up for it for decades.
Regardless, you should be happy. After all the Tda members are deported and US blue collar wages and jobs rise – the increased US manufacturing will mean we will need more medium skilled labor from places like Venezeuala.
US car makers USED to have factories in Venezeula before Chavez.
I have no idea what you mean about the EU and SUV’s – have you been to a Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, VW, dealer lately ?
Maybe some of the SUV’s are US market only, But an Audi A6 is a nearly 6000lb car – it is NOT small – and a VW Passat is just a cheaper finish version of the A6 – and weighs nearly 5000lb.
Watch any European TV ? BBC ? Even the police cars are Audi’s and the only difference from US Audi’s is the Turbo Diesel engines.
“We are not going to fare well with Trump in office and we are certainly not going to see lower grocery prices and lower inflation any time soon.”
Because Biden d so welly before ? ROFL.
Trump did well before and has learned ALOT.
Democrats are more economically clueless than ever.
Your comments being leading evidence.
Gas prices are down,
Egg prices are down.
Inflating is down.
And it is only 60 days.
And that is with the chaos created by Trump’s tarriff threats.
I do not know if the tarriffs actually occur. We shall see.
Trump’s goal is NOT Tarriffs. It is changes in a variety of policies in china and canada and mexico that impact the US.
He will either get those changes OR he will get tarriffs.
HOWEVER just the threat of tarrifs is speeding up the reindustirialization of the US.
In the even that Tarriffs do get imposed in a few days and the US, Canadian, … economies take a hit
We will get a couple of months of ranting and I told you so from You, before the impact starts to fade and the impacts of faster re-industrialization kick in.
Do you beleive that Ford and GM will pay higher prices for canadian autoparts forever ?
Or do you think that back in November or before they started to make planes to increase US auto parts production
If you are making $100M+/yr for being better at knowing what the future will look like and already having adapted to it before it comes – do you think these CEO’s are all caught flatfooted ?
The goal of Trump’s Tarriff’s and Tarriff threats is NOT more government revenue – though tarrifs are a better way to tax, than income tax. The goal is increased blue collar employment – especially in the rust belt.
“No, it can’t. The majority of our refining capacity cannot switch to a different type of crude. 50% of our oil comes from Canada. The tar sands oil is thicker and requires a lot of processing before it can be used to refine into fuel and other products”
Tar sands oil is actually Bitumen. Two tons of Tar sands are refined into 1 Barrel of Oil – which is then refined the traditional way.
The oil transported down the Keystone XL is not bitumen – it has already been processed into oil.
George you constantly just MAKE THINGS UP.
John Say says It (Tarriffs) will just change who buys from who, and possibly increase transportation costs as the sources and destinations changes.
It just changes which Americans will be winners and which ones will be losers as president picks with their choices of tariff policies. Trump is simply changing the American winners and losers that were picked by previous presidents.
Unless Dr. Thomas Sowell (and Dr. Walter Williams, RIP) are really, REALLY lousy economists.
ATS – the positions of Sowell, Williams, Friedman and other free markets advocates are based on the economic principle of comparative advantage.
I 110% agree.
If you have paid the slightest attention to my arguments I am NOT saying that we should use Tarriffs to reverse comparative advantage.
What I am saying is that Comparative advantage has been slowly shifting back to manufacturing in the US.
It has been doing so for a long time.
Trump’s use of Tarriffs and threats of Tarriffs is at most accelerating an already present process.
That is the 50,000ft view.
There are myriads of other factors.
Regardless, if the purpose of Tarriffs is to thwart the economic principle of comparative advantage – something that Tarriffs in every country Trump is imposing tarriffs on already do, then those Tarrifs ultimately fail.
While Tarriffs worked as a means of raising revenue in the 19th century, I do not beleive they can do that today.
And the reason they can not do that today is because the comparative advantage of Europe, Japan, China, Canada, Mexico is so low that instead of raising money Tarriffs will continue the shift of production.
To be clear – Germany is not the same as canada is not the same as Mexico
All the economists you cite on Tarriffs are speaking about using tarriffs to resist economic shifts that are occuring naturally.
Not to speed them up.
Personally I think Trump should not impose Tarriffs. But I am not so stupid as to beleive they will cause long term catastrophe.
Trump is using Tarriffs to make a shift that is happening regardless occur faster, and he is risking some short term chaos to accheive that. He is doing so because he wants a booming economy in 2026 so that his legislative agenda does not get stalled.
he has 4 years to build a legacy – and that is what he is after. Those on the left who say he has a massive ego are absolutely correct.
Trump sees himself on Mount Rushmore. And to get there he has 4 years change the country such that enormous percentages of the people think that the 4 years from 2024-2028 were a massive positive change.
I would note this is also why Musk is a part of this.
They view themselves as saving the country.
You can rant and rave that they are wrong – the verdict will be in 2028.
I would note Biden did essentially the same. His ego was huge – if his competence was not.
He was looking to be remembered positively forever. he tried to massiviely transform the country for good.
He succeeded in F#$King everything he touched up.
If you are right in 2028 – Trump will be viewed as badly as Biden – probably worse because Biden will have been forgotten.
In Nov. 2024 the american people place a very large bet that you are wrong.
We will have to see.
“There will be very little impact of Tarriffs [sic] on Globally traded commodities.”
Hogwash.
Steel and aluminum are commodities. Agricultural commodities depend on other commodities (e.g., steel and aluminum) for their production. And that’s just two links in a very destructive chain.
Sam,
Last I checked there was absolutely no steal in my corn.
The US exports steel. It also imports steel. it Imports more than it exports.
But we are capable of producing more than we do.
Small sustained changes in the price of steel will shift steel production to the US.
That will not happen overnight.
But lets say you are correct and high US tarriffs on Steel and Luminum will reduce US steel imports from tarriffed countries.
That is just restating the law of supply and demand.
One of two things will occur:
Tarriffed countries will have to seel their steel in countries that do not have high tarriffs. and the US will buy steel from untarrifed countries
US stell production will increase to make up for lost foreign steel and prices will increase alot in the short run as there are shortages, but declining in the long run as the laws of supply and demand kick in.
Regardless, the laws of supply and demand REQUIRE that Tarriffs on global commodities CAN NOT have long term impacts.
I would note this is exactly what we saw in Trump’s first term.
Less US sales of Soy to China, with china buying soy from Brazil, and the US selling to brazills former customers.
China’s soy tarriffs would have devasted US farmers – if and only if, Brazil could have doubled soy production overnight so that it could sell to both China and the rest of the world.
That is True of SOME things.
It is generally NOT true of globally traded commodities.
Say What spoke his Democrat Marxist Truth: BBBBBUUUUTTTTT…. MUH TRUMP!!!!! BBBBBUUUTTTTTTT…. MUH TURLEY!!!!!
SW – while you make alot of complaints – you do not provide sufficient substance to identify a single example to support your claims.
That leaves most of us to conclude you are just repeating the same debunked claims we have heard over and over.
Dear little wannabe Hamas terrorist: nobody is “ignoring” you anti-Semitic New Hitler Youth Movement members of the Soviet Democrat Borg.
In fact, Trump is deporting your criminal Aliens here who violated their visas by rioting, pillaging, assaulting students, and advocating for genocidal Nazi terrorists like Hamas.
You get to be a neo-Nazi screaming and yelling in defense of the Hamas terrorist butchers if you’re an American citizen – not if you’re here on a visa and violate the conditions of that visa.
Wow sensitive today aren’t they
“Wow sensitive today aren’t they”
Wow… funny today, isn’t he? We have an alternative to the Democrat Three Stooges! Say What thinks Posting His Democrat Truths here means he has credibility with readers!
Yes… maybe more than George and Gigi combined!
Which is about… zero.
“Say What” is a sock puppet run by the Communist Party of America.
My sensitive today aren’t they.
Anonymous 11:35 AM- Send the Hamas lovers to Greenland. That will get them halfway home, sort of.
Nobody is ignoring you genocidal terrorist loving fellow neo-Nazis from the New Hitler Youth branch of the Democrats. Trump’s deporting your criminals who claim their visa gives them the right to vandalize school property, threaten and assault Jewish students, etc.
Are you safe from deportation by being a neo-Nazi with an American passport?
Last night Trump had a WH dinner with IFTAR celebrating the end of the day Fast as the end of Ramadan approaches.
Trump was Effusive in his praise for various muslim groups and specifically praised several muslim leaders that he has appointed as US ambassador to various countries.
He separately committed to expanding the Abraham accords.
No one is being punished for criticizing Israel.
They are being punished for violence. Disruption, support of Genocide and terrorism.
I follow a number of new media cites that are extremely critical of Israel. While I do not share all of their views.
They are very informative and add balance.
I also follow sites that are very supportive of israel. They are often excellent on other issues, but loose objectivity on Israel.
Regardless, you can be anti-israel without being pro-hamas. or pro-terrorism.
And you can be pro-hama, pro-terrorism, without being disruptive and violent and anti-sematic.
BUT Very few are.
“I also follow sites that are very supportive of israel. They are often excellent on other issues, but loose objectivity on Israel. ”
I once worked for a gentleman who was an elder of his conservative synagogue, and who was adamantly opposed to Zionism and the establishment of Israel. Of course, today he would be derided by many here as being antisemetic. I would also like to point out (although few here will actually pay any attention) that Arabs and other Middle Eastern peoples are all Semitic, therefore, calling opposition to Israeli policy, or to a Jewish nation in general, “antisemitic” is a category error.
I once worked for a gentleman who was an elder of his conservative synagogue, and who was adamantly opposed to Zionism
So Joseph, you claim to have found your Uncle Hershel who apparently hates the fact that other Jews regained Israel, and believed Israel should have been wiped out instead?
Did you pair your Uncle Hershel up with the Uncle Tom you found before him to criticize Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement?
You figure that your anonymous Uncle Hershel will deliver for you, as you lurch off into attempting a semantics argument, to claim the neo-Nazis from the Democrats and Hamas are merely voicing their different opinions on Israel with their October 7th expression of free speech?
Understood on the semetic issue.
But the term we usually use for genocide against jews is antisemetic.
“No one is being punished for criticizing Israel.”
Green card holders and foreign students legally here are. Schools are being punished for allowing pro-palestinian protests on campus. Silencing dissent is the goal of the Trump administratio.
Green card holders and foreign students legally here are.
The conditions of those visas don’t allow you to vandalize universities, coerce universities with threats of violence, harass and assault Jewish students, advocate on behalf of butchering genocidal Hamas terrorists that butchered Americans as well as Jews and are still holding Americans hostage.
Once you engage in that, you are no longer legally here. As many of your little friends you met at those riots are quickly finding out.
(BTW, why WOULD they want to stay in such a terrible country like the USA instead of one of Mohammad’s proper Salafist-Wahaabist radical Muslim nations?)
Justifying their Hajji terrorist and communist agendas is the Democrats version of supposed free speech of dissent.
Please actually check the demands. Pro Palestinian protests are OK,
Supporting Terrorism is not.
Purportedly there were two large protests against Hamas in Gaza yesterday.
In the Past HAMAS has quickly crushed any protests against Hamas.
We can hope this is a sign.
There will be no peace in Gaza so long as Hamas has political power in Gaza.
Every time we are told Person X was deported or had a visa revoked for criticizing Israel or for protesting for Palestinians,
Further inquiry leads to more than criticism of Israel or support for Palestinians.
I would further note that the majority of americans just do not beleive the MSM anypmore.
When it is reported that Person X was deported for pro-palestinian speech – no one beleives it.
Further while there are alot of pro-free speech advocates on the right, center and even center left.
So many of the people speaking out for allegedly pro-palistinian deportees are the same people who lied about collusion laptops, and covid.
Maybe Henry Ford was on to something when he brought out the first Model T and said my customers can have any color they want as long as it’s black.