The large “No Kings” protests this weekend were peaceful with the exception of some hot spots in Portland near ICE facilities. There were the usual hot heads carrying guillotines and North Carolina Democrat Rep. Julie von Haefen is under fire for posting a picture of a beheaded Trump. Another protester was arrested for calling for protesters to “firebomb” ICE facilities and personnel. In another scene, children were encouraged to beat a Trump piñata. There was also an assault on a MAGA supporter. These remained happily isolated incidents. However, two school employees in Chicago drew national attention with their violent speeches and offered another test of our free speech standards.
In Chicago, elementary school teacher Lucy Martinez was shown on video mockingly making a gesture akin to being shot in the neck, mimicking how Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
The video went viral, and her school, Nathan Hale Elementary School, had to shut down its website and social media presence.
Martinez’s gesture is disgusting, and frankly, I would not want my children to be taught by such a person. However, she did not identify herself as a teacher when she made this vile statement outside of school during her own time. As such, it is, in my view, protected speech.
Then there is the controversy surrounding Wilbur Wright College Adult Education Manager Moises Bernal, who screamed to a crowd that “ICE agents gotta get shot and wiped out.” Bernal told the crowd, “You gotta grab a gun!” and “We gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system!”
In 2017, Bernal was sentenced to 12 months probation in a rare move by the court due to disruptive behavior at a hearing for Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke who was charged with murder.
The question is whether calling for the killing of ICE officers crosses the line for an educator. After all, there are ICE officers who come to campuses in their official capacity or as students. There are also students who want to join law enforcement, including ICE.
Violent speech is admittedly a difficult area for such line drawing. Faculty have made similarly disturbing comments in the past, including “detonating white people,” abolish white people, denouncing police, calling for Republicans to suffer, strangling police officers, celebrating the death of conservatives, calling for the killing of Trump supporters, supporting the murder of conservative protesters and other outrageous statements. I also defended the free speech rights of University of Rhode Island professor Erik Loomis, who defended the murder of a conservative protester and said that he saw “nothing wrong” with such acts of violence. (Loomis was later made Director of Graduate Studies of History at Rhode Island).
Even school board members referring to taking faculty “to the slaughterhouse” for questioning DEI policies is considering protected speech.
However, the specificity of Bernal’s call to violence could trigger repercussions for him. If Bernal had proclaimed that people should shoot minorities or women or Jews, there would be little debate that he represented a threatening element on campus. Certainly a student who espoused such violent intentions would not be allowed on campus in most universities.
For the university, it is difficult to see how law enforcement personnel in adult education programs would feel comfortable with an administrator who is encouraging others to murder them. Indeed, most people would not feel comfortable in interacting with someone who wants to kill law enforcement personnel.
Bernal’s comments likely fall short of a criminal threat, though, in New York city, David Cox was arrested after allegedly telling a third person that he had firebombs in his car and would be carrying out an attack. That was a specific threat and alleged plan. Bernal was encouraging violence in general.
However, calling for violence at a protest can cross the line for violent speech under existing precedent. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled that calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”
In this case, there was no violence despite Bernal’s apparent inclinations. There was no evidence of “imminent lawless action.” As such, it is still likely protected. However, that does not mean that Wilbur Wright College, which is part of the city of Chicago college system, cannot fire or suspend him for calling for the murder of law enforcement.
There is currently no statement from Wilbur Wright College President Dr. Andrés A. Oroz.
LEFTISTS COMMIT TO PAYING FOR MY HEALTH CARE. THANKS!
Do not identify folks such as these two taxpayer-funded flunkies as “educators” or “teachers” or some kind of administrator. They are patsies of the far left lefties who hate the USA, its citizens and its lawful residents. They are espousing all kinds of criminal activity, including murder – by others, of course, because they only use their mouths and want others to do their dirty work.
Outrageous that you could defend this kind of violent speech w/ I believe is actual incitement, Professor Turley.
1st Amendment… stop and think for a second, seeing/hearing dems make threats is a good thing… think midterms.
No, it isn’t incitement.
New England consists of six states: Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine.
Around 40% of its voters vote Republican.
New England has 21 congressional districts.
100% are held by Democrats.
Is it gerrymandering, or something else at play?
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1979350502308745709
Exactly. Same is true in other states. Can we say monarchy? No representation.
Years past, our senators retained some form of fair minded approach to governance. Those days are gone.
oldman
Apparently you are sadly deficient in mathematics, and an understanding of the concept of gerrymandering.
If voters are 40 % Republican, then they are a minority. Apparently you do not understand that 40 is less than 60.
The observation that 100% of the districts are held by Democrats is absolute proof that there is NO gerrymandering whatsoever. It proves that the districts are drawn in such a way that does not favor either party. When voters are evenly distributed across all the districts, then it is not surprising that all the districts are held by Democrats because they are the majority.
You are absolutely correct.
If you want to understand gerrymandering, look no further than North Carolina.
Registered voters there are almost exactly divided with equal numbers of Republicans, Democrats and unaffiliated.
And yet the Republicans hold 10 of the 14 House seats.
This is gerrymandering.
ATS no that is not proof of Gerrymandering.
What it is, is proof that democrats choose to congregate in cities.
First, I asked a question: Is it gerrymandering, or something else at play?
That means I didn’t say it was gerrymandering. Do you read and understand English? Apparently not. Only an illiterate idiot would interpret that question to mean: “It’s gerrymandering for sure.” That’s exactly what you did. Hence, you are an illiterate idiot.
Second, you know nothing about political geography.
When voters are evenly distributed across all the districts, then it is not surprising that all the districts are held by Democrats because they are the majority.
The Democrats tend to be highly concentrated in urban areas, whereas the more rural areas tend to be majority Republican, even in the most leftist state such as Massachusetts. It is valid to question whether a 100% Democrat win rate in all geographic areas is due to gerrymandering.
Third, if you have any actual data, that would be more illuminating that stupid childish insults based on a deficiency in reading comprehension. As it is, you haven’t answer the question because you did not cite to any data or analysis of the situation. Bottom line: STFU, anonymous idiot paid DNC low-IQ troll.
Oh my, such vitriol !!!
You forgot to accuse me of being antisemitic.
Says the person who launched the first childish stupid insults at me based on an honest question I asked. Is there any way in which you’re not a pathetic waste of life?
What !!!
No accusation of being antisemitic.
That always seems to be your standard go to attack in all circumstances where you know you are wrong.
You think that’s clever? It’s stupid, thus typical for your sorry ass. You can’t deny that you threw the first insult and that it was totally unjustified, so you try to deflect, thinking your audience is just as stupid as you. Pffft
I know the audience here is stupid.
That is a given. Your response proves that.
That’s the best you can come up with? Hahahahaha! Your handlers should demand their money back.
You brought up the stupidity of the audience here.
I am just agreeing with you.
Read it again, dum dum. I never suggested the audience was stupid. You really do have major reading comprehension issues, don’t you?
You seem confused.
I am simply saying that the audience here is stupid. Your comments here every day prove that.
Here’s what you said:
You brought up the stupidity of the audience here.
Those are your words. They’re in black and white above.
But I never said anything about the audience being stupid. The fact that you claimed I did demonstrates your inability to comprehend the English language, just like your extraordinarily idiotic response to my sincere question that led to this whole exchange in which you have done nothing but double down on stupid.
I’m afraid the stupidity is yours.
Unfortunately your stupidity prevents you from understanding this, and it is pointless to try to explain it to you.
Oh, gosh, that’s so clever, you’ve totally proven me wrong!
/sarc
Ano
I know the audience here is stupid.
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Yap and you just proved it.
LOL
It is anti Jewish, anon, as Rome has never been for Jesus Christ as Pilate ordered God’s death? Is that what you mean? Yes, Mardi Gras and the naked cha cha dancers? They have no need of Israel. Is that what you mean? Yes, anti Semitic, I’ll say it. Cha cha on…
Yes, something else. Bloc voting is going on. May as well just count heads by party since it’s all meaningless now. High time to cut back the the House. 1 repub and 1 dem from each State. VP VOTES on ties. Saves money …
HOLD THE PRESSES! just have the VP thumbs up or down.
Compact , contiguous and the race card. Any race will do.
I’m tired of football games.
Ano
you forgot to accuse me of being antisemitic.
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Nope, just stupid. Happy now?
ATS – there is nowhere in the country – including New England were people are uniformly distributed by political affiliation.
The vast majority of cities in the US are not merely democrat but overwhelmingly democrat – 70:30.
That alone MUST result in a republican majority almost everywhere else – EVEN IN NEW ENGLAND.
The fat that 100% of seats in new england are held by democrats is ABSOLUTE proof they are gerrymandered.
You could randomly assign equal population districts in NE and likely get atleast 30% with a GOP majority.
In the REAL WORLD people are not distributed homogenously by political party.
In FACT each political party tends to concentrate demographically and geographically.
Rural areas are mostly deep red, cities are deep blue, most suburban areas are pink but a few are purple.
There are many other factors that effect how people CHOOSE to distribute themselves.
But the important fact which is why you are so blatantly wrong is that they do NOT distribute homogenously.
John Say the Stupid.
You are wrong.
You are always wrong
Blah blah. Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah.
“When voters are evenly distributed across all the districts”
They’re people, not homogenized milk. People generally do not distribute evenly.
My god you are an idiot, All you have to do is look at the lines to see any area with a majority of Republicans have been split into areas of majority Democrats. By your stupid definiton no gerrymandering exists or would have ever existed. Really Anon get some professional help.
“The observation that 100% of the districts are held by Democrats is absolute proof that there is NO gerrymandering whatsoever.”
So if 100% of the districts in Florida and Texas were held by Republicans, that would prove that there is no gerrymandering in those states?
Are you listening DeSantis and Abbott?
OMFK
The Founders required voters to be male, European, and 21, with 50 lbs. Sterling or 50 acres.
Turnout was 11.6% in 1789 by design.
America was a severely restricted-vote republic, by design.
“Virtuous people” in state legislatures restricted the vote, per the Constitution, to keep America rational.
Strikingly, China has the government most similar to that of the American Founders:
A Congress elected by 7% of the population and a president elected by the elected Congress.
China doesn’t use the U.S. Constitution.
Similarly, the judicial branch and Supreme Court have denied America its Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the welfare state is unconstitutional per Article 1, Section 8, and the absolute 5th Amendment right to private property.
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“the people are nothing but a great beast…
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value.”
– Alexander Hamilton
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“The true reason (says Blackstone) of requiring any qualification, with regard to property in voters, is to exclude such persons, as are in so mean a situation, that they are esteemed to have no will of their own.”
“If it were probable that every man would give his vote freely, and without influence of any kind, then, upon the true theory and genuine principles of liberty, every member of the community, however poor, should have a vote… But since that can hardly be expected, in persons of indigent fortunes, or such as are under the immediate dominion of others, all popular states have been obliged to establish certain qualifications, whereby, some who are suspected to have no will of their own, are excluded from voting; in order to set other individuals, whose wills may be supposed independent, more thoroughly upon a level with each other.”
– Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775
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“[We gave you] a [restricted-vote] republic, if you can keep it.”
– Ben Franklin, 1787
It’s called Lie’en, Cheat’en, and Game’en they system. But Hey! you’re the one that loves the Electoral College and see noth’in wrong with it,
so why complain about this?
It’s kind of a kick in the teeth, isn’t it.
It has exactly nothing to do with the EC. Even if the POTUS was elected solely by popular vote, the I would have the same question. Go back and finish third grade, anti-Constitution stupid idiot moron paid DNC low-IQ troll.
WE live in an age wherein the Popular Vote – One (Eligible) Human One Vote can be accounted for with fair certainty on Block-Chain technology.
Yes for Federal elections the Constitution prescribes the EC, but the times have evolved and the Founders would have agreed that the Constitution evolve with it. as they had tried to incorporate that idea of evolution into it’s design.
IMO, it is the current Legislative Bodies (Federal & State) that do not want to change the ‘Game’, as it plays in their favor.
That has become more evident than ever as the Times have progressed.
A.I., Block-Chain have evolved (The Science has evolved) but the but the Constitution(s) have changed little to none.
So the relevant argument has now become: Is it Science or the Bible, Evolution or Creation, Technology or the Constitution?
One of these will eventually prevail., for if democracy to survive.
Re: “New England consists of six states: Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine.”
The following table represents the number of seats in each legislative chamber, each state’s total population following each census and how many citizens a state representative and state senator represent based on the census data.
https://ballotpedia.org/Population_represented_by_state_legislators
Number of seats| Population of state |Population per senator |Population per representative
States Sens. Reps. 2020 2010 2000 2020 2010 2000 2020 2010 2000
Connecticut (S, H) 36 151 3,608,298 3,581,628 3,405,565 100,231 99,490 94,599 23,896 23,719 22,553
Rhode Island (S, H) 38 75 1,098,163 1,055,247 1,048,319 28,899 27,770 27,587 14,642 14,070 13,978
Rhode Island (S, H) 38 75 1,098,163 1,055,247 1,048,319 28,899 27,770 27,587 14,642 14,070 13,978
Vermont (S, H) 30 150 643,503 630,337 608,827 21,450 21,011 20,294 4,290 4,202 4,059
New Hampshire (S, H) 24 400 1,379,089 1,321,445 1,235,786 57,462 55,060 51,491 3,448 3,304 3,089
Maine (S, H) 35 151 1,363,582 1,333,074 1,274,923 38,959 38,088 36,426 9,030 8,828 8,443
State Partisan Composition (a better comparison)
https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/state-partisan-composition
Doesn’t have to be anything except most districts are 60/40 split and Republicans cross vote perhaps? Examine all 21 districts for split and cross voting. Dems bloc vote consistently, presumably.
Gerry
Gerry to ensure each district is a 60/40 split. ☺
Is it gerrymandering, or something else at play?
Yes, it is gerrymandering, and the Supreme Court says that’s A-OK, so long as it’s not done on racial grounds.
When it comes to racial gerrymandering, that seems to be forbidden except when it’s required, and no one can tell which is which. Hopefully the Court’s on the verge of throwing it out altogether and banning all racial gerrymandering. But all other kinds will remain permitted.
Calais is before the court now. The blacks want black districts. Partisan districts can be made. Black’s want towns and cities run by blacks in districts. It’s no different than moving to a red State. Is that gerrymandering?
Calif is race and party as its a Spanish speaking state now. That electoral votes but more importantly it’s a state, cities, towns and counties. In Calais black dems want to move away from dem hispanics and dem lgbt etc.
Is that what you mean? Mobility…
A 37-year old Georgia man driving in North Carolina so objected to a homeowner’s Trump sign that he not only tore it down, he fired bullets at the man on the porch who owned the sign. I guess he didn’t believe in that man’s free speech rights, at least not when the speech was supportive of President Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-man-arrested-allegedly-shooting-north-carolina-home-tearing-trump-banner
BTW, there is a full-on assassination culture on the left. They wallow in violence and in wishing death on others, they celebrate it, they cheer when a conservative commenter is violently killed, they make a folk hero out of Mangione for shooting a CEO in the back. Yet they constantly compare their opponents to Hitler, as demonstrated in this blog’s comment section. Sheesh, talk about projection.
Either this is a major slump or the dems will destroy themselves?
Watching road trips in the deep south with decayed, rotting cities and towns looking like a rapture leaving only poverty behind.
These were company towns that prospered under capitalism and many did well by going to college becoming doctors and lawyers, merchant chiefs, newspaper owners . Many benefits for so many made possible by one or two capitalists.
At first I thought it was capitalism failure but realized it wasn’t after all. The poverty left behind in the deep south is black poverty and in other places its coal mine and white.
Many took the opportunity and did well moving on and a few did not. Nothing’s perfect…
I’d need to research your question but not going to. John Say says gerrymandered. Idk
Read the tea leaves, States ARE aligned with Maduro and DJT is fighting while the people have synced brains with computer programs.
You’re in a predator world. Wake up! I refuse to speak the worst as something slouching , crawling this way comes…
“Martinez’s gesture is disgusting, and frankly, I would not want my children to be taught by such a person. However, she did not identify herself as a teacher when she made this vile statement outside of school during her own time. As such, it is, in my view, protected speech.”
Which raises an important question. It is protected speech so clearly no official repercussions. So assume your kids were in her class. What would your response be? Would you go to a school board meeting and say something? If so what? Would you pull your kids out of the school? If so would you tell the school admin why? There is a big gap between no official repercussions for protected speech and personal reaction when it comes to your kids being in her presence. Where does the line fall? Let’s say lots of parents pull their kids out of the school because of her, and she then gets fired. Is that then an official repercussion to her protected speech?
It may be protected speech and no action can be taken because of it. If so, fine. But what about her conduct? There must be a code of conduct that applies to teachers in that school district and her actions that day might well violate it. She might have been outside of school and on her own time and not representing the school, but she was out in public at a public event and was recognized exhibiting that vile conduct. She might still have some music to face, if the school district takes the conduct of teachers seriously and expects them to be above reproach.
Dear Prof Turley,
It was quite a Democrat hootenanny alright. 7 million (est) frog hoppers, friendly dinosaurs and other assorted Disney characters in a No Kings circus show. .. 63% whom have No confidence, -0-, in the Divine Democrat leadership either, such as they are (her Majesty Pelosi, eg., has been in Congress since before prohibition, with no end in sight.).
First of all, Trump is no King, much less a Lion King. At least you can’t buy billionaire Kings .. . you can only rent them.
Trump is a true believer. An apostle of supply-side economics. Art of the deal.
*greed, for lack of a better word, is good.. .
OT. Republican George Santos is a free man and has returned home to his husband, Matt.
DJT commuted his sentence.
OT The United States geologic survey (USGS) isn’t up and running? The water table depth for Mississippi hasn’t been done? It’s like Somalia now.
It’s worse than you think.
I have been wondering about GeorgeX’s absence the last few days. Was he arrested at a No Drag Queens rally? Snatched off the streets and “disappeared without due process” by ICE? Or is he hiding in embarrassment?
Appeals Court Allows Trump To Take Command Of National Guard And Deploy To Portland
https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/20/us/trump-san-francisco-national-guard-legal-battle-hnk
George/X has been assuring us for WEEKS that, as our REAL constitutional expert, Trump can NOT take control of the National Guard and deploy it to Democrat shyte show cities like Portland. Because as George/X claimed just before No Kings day, the Constitution doesn’t allow President Trump to do that like a King George.
Except… once again… it turns out Trump is right and activist judges attempting insurrection from the bench and George/X are very, very wrong. How many insurrectionist circuit judges does that make so far that have attempted to insert themselves into the Executive Branch and replace Trump as the Commander In Chief? And then fail and get a mild FAFO as their reward? Any of them resign in embarrassment and humiliation?
That’s the Ninth Circus for a second time, no less, who threw out a clown circuit court judge’s judicial insurrection order.
Once again, we have a Karen On The Bench who attempted a judicial insurrection that had no supportable justification in facts. And once again, after these activist judges wanting to engage in insurrection from the bench are dragged out of their safe space court rooms to higher appellate courts, they get kicked to the curb.
Portland Antifa: meet your new friendly neighborhood National Guard.
Don’t get too carried away celebrating this district court insurrectionist getting her well spanked ass being handed back to her by the Ninth Circuit.
Immediately after the 2024 election, Chief Justice Roberts appointed this very same Constitutional expert insurrectionist to sit as one of the secretive FISA court judges.
That would be the same Cheif Justice Roberts who allowed Judge Boasberg to remain as the FISA court chief judge after Roberts and the rest of the country found out that Boasberg repeatedly allowed Obama’s Attorney General and FBI Directors to repeatedly perjure themselves under oath in his FISA courtroom.
We as well as Chief Justice Roberts have watched Judge Boasberg’s judicial insurrection since Trump was reelected.
Hard to know what FISA courts with judges like Boasberg and this one, Emmert, are doing on FISA when you can’t see what they’re doing and what they’re ruling.
This won’t be the only constitutional malfeasance and insurrection we’re going to see from this judge.
Roberts is Deep State “Swamp”? You don’t say?
Why does Trump always skip over choosing the National Guard of patriotic Constitutional handgun carry states like Wyoming? Or Montana?
Not safe for Antifa consumption?
They aren’t cesspools of crime. Why would you send National Guard troop there? Guards should be from their home states, unless the governor refuses. Then they are taken from another closer state. Why would you send the Guards from Maine to Oregon? That would make no sense.
You just have TDS and will whine no matter what Trump does. As Trump said if he cured cancer you would whine about cancers right to kill people being violated. That’s how TDS gets diagnosed.
They aren’t cesspools of crime.
Lyin’ and denyin’ like a proud Furry Biden again?
Murder Illustrating Chicago Criminal Values
https://heyjackass.com/
306 murdered so far this year, 1345 wounded. That’s not enough pools of blood and gore for you to agree it’s a cesspool of crime?
Why would you send National Guard troop there?
I hope that’s truly a rhetorical question, you Furry little genius?
Portland’s Love Affair With Antifa Grows Deeper: Mayors Vow to Fight for Them and With Them Against ICE
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/09/29/antifas-call-to-arms-to-attack-feds-in-portland-n4944255
Violent Antifa criminals have laid siege to the ICE detention center in Portland, Oregon, for over 100 days. Since the protest started on June 2, neighbor Cloud Elvengrail has barely slept. Assaulted and bullied by the Antifa goons, she describes the area as a “war zone” and “terrifying.”
“If you’re wealthy and connected, the city is safe for you. If you’re poor, black, and disabled, or a domestic violence victim, the city’s message to us is clear, ‘You’re on your own,’” Elvengrail said, via a statement from her lawyer. She has welcomed President Trump’s intervention into the “war ravaged” city, which has included declaring all Antifa supporters domestic terrorists and sending in 200 National Guard troops.
“The president has heard our cry for help … I, and many of my neighbors, appreciate it,” Elvengrail said. The announcement also sent members of the group scattering and rushing to delete online evidence as federal troops bore down on the city.
In the Democrat Borg, it may be legal to assault and destroy federal property and federal workers. But not in normal America.
Everything clear now?
Anon’s Shrink launched his false flag warship: Guards should be from their home states, unless the governor refuses. Then they are taken from another closer state. Why would you send the Guards from Maine to Oregon? That would make no sense. You just have TDS and will whine no matter what Trump does.
Worst fraud attempt ever, Anon commie. BTW, did you notice it’s called the NATIONAL Guard, not the STATE Guard?
Dropped on your head too many times while you were a young larvae.
You moron, the National Guard is organized on a state basis, and spends almost all its time under state command. It’s federalized only when necessary.
OT, only because it is so funny!
Bari Weiss asked ‘60 Minutes’ senior staffers why the country thinks they’re biased
“Weiss “surprised senior staff … when she asked a provocative question: Why does the country think you’re biased?” the New York Times reported on Sunday, citing three people who attended the Midtown Manhattan session.
The exchange was met with “stunned awkwardness,” the paper said.”
https://nypost.com/2025/10/20/media/bari-weiss-asked-60-minutes-staffers-why-the-country-thinks-theyre-biased/
Like NPR, I was brought up on 60 Minutes. Oh, have they, like NPR, fallen so far from the original mission of the production!
I think the line drawn by Prof. Turley makes sense. I do believe that educators have a special duty to keep within the bounds of what is acceptable. If parents would be concerned about the basic moral grounding of an individual teaching children, the conduct is problematic in my opinion. One may have the right to free speech, but that does not mean there might be consequences from the employer.