The pattern is all too familiar. The Washington Post runs a story with a sensational claim: Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth ordered the killing of survivors of one of the first boat attacks back in September — a coup de grace or finishing shot that would constitute a war crime. The Post appears to have had only one source making the specific claim about Hegseth, but ran with the story. What followed was a line of politicians and pundits calling for the usual criminal charges, impeachments, and resignations. Then, various sources, including the New York Times, debunked the story.
When this story broke, some of us cautioned that the law was clear, but the facts were not. Yes, it is generally a war crime to intentionally kill or order a “double tap” strike for the sole purpose of killing the survivors at sea. The Nazis were charged with such heinous acts in World War II. However, such allegations are often difficult to resolve even after investigations in the “fog of war,” where decisions are made in seconds on a battlefield. This claim was being made with only the Post and a single source as “evidence.”
The Post claimed “Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. ‘The order was to kill everybody, one of them said.”
This is the same newspaper that won the Pulitzer Prize with the later debunked Russian collusion story — a scandal started by the Clinton campaign, which secretly funded the infamous Steele dossier.
Nevertheless, the airways were filled with experts stating categorically that a war crime was committed.
Notably, these claims were made over the Administration’s vociferous objections, which denied that any such order was given by Hegseth during the attack. Indeed, a later attack did involve survivors who were retrieved and then returned to their country.
The New York Times this week ran a multiple-source story saying that Hegseth gave no such order.
Putting aside the sensational and apparently false claim about Hegseth, the issue of the order by Admiral Bradley comes down to motivation. It is common in war to deliver a finishing blow on a vessel. It has been routinely done by many countries, including when survivors remain on board or near the boat. While countries must take reasonable measures to allow survivors to leave a sinking vessel, the demands of war often allow for a finishing shot to achieve a mission with personnel on or near the boat.
The first attack did not sink the boat in question, and Bradley ordered a second hit. If he did so to sink the vessel, he is likely within the laws of war.
Of course, reasonable people can question the overall policy and whether killing drug carriers is consistent with international law. However, that is not the specific claim raised in this controversy. The question is whether, in a military action, a second finishing shot can be delivered to complete a mission to sink a vessel. The answer is likely yes.
It is also worth noting the distinction between operations targeting boats and operations targeting people. Past presidents like Barack Obama have unilaterally ordered the killing of people abroad, including U.S. citizens. Presumably, if an attack on a targeted individual did not clearly kill that person, Obama would have ordered a second attack to finish him off.
That brings us back to the sudden appearance of this story about an attack in September. The Administration was hitting the Democratic members hard over their controversial video telling military personnel to refuse unlawful orders. Those members later admitted that they could not actually name such an order. While some have demanded sedition charges against the members, I have written that such a case would be legally unfounded and would certainly collapse immediately in court. This was protected speech, even though I disagreed with these members about posting the video.
As the heat over the video continued to rise, the Post suddenly had breaking news of an illegal order from Hegseth. You would have to be a complete chump to ignore the obvious timing and purpose of such a story. The fact that the Post would run to print with a single anonymous source made the story even more incredible. Yet, it did not matter. It was a fact too good to check for the Post and a long line of experts and pundits.
It still does not matter. We are living in a post-truth political environment where media outlets feed the demands of echo-chambered readers. It was true because they wanted it to be true. They wanted Hegseth watching survivors clinging to a boat and ordering the military “to kill everybody.”
The Congress is moving forward with investigations, and that is a good thing. We should be clear on the rules of engagement and confirm that the motivation was not to kill survivors in the water. However, the real lesson here is one that still has not been learned about the corrosive effect of political bias in the media.
Polls show trust in the media at an all-time low with less than 20 percent of citizens trusting television or print media. Yet, reporters and academics continue to destroy the core principles that sustain journalism and ultimately the role of a free press in our society. Notably, writers who have been repeatedly charged with false or misleading columns are some of the greatest advocates for dropping objectivity in journalism.
Indeed, the whole “Let’s Go Brandon” chant is as much a criticism of the media as it is President Biden.
There was always an obvious alternative explanation for the second strike in this story. The boat was clearly not destroyed by the first attack. Yet, in the midst of the sedition debate, there was a need for an illegal order as the six Democratic members struggled to give an example to support their public call. The Post supplied it like an actor walking in on cue at just the right moment. As we investigate the claim, it would be equally commendable for the media to look into its own role in this “double tap” story. Most citizens would likely agree that the media “rules of engagement” also warrant some review.
*. The most interesting part of this article is B. Hussein O. Ordered the murder of American citizens. Murdering American citizens is outside of the penumbra of presidential powers, the glow of the executive halo.
Charge him with premeditated 1st degree murder. The lack of due process is constitutional.
The halo is misunderstood. The halo doesn’t eminate from the executive’s head. It descends upon the head from above. That halo is the Constitution.
The boat story is covered. Drugs that kill Americans exported from hostile 3rd worlds suffices as a weapon. Perhaps Venezuela might export poison gas instead.
^^^PS. Instead of killing all those fishermen on those fishing boats, use one bunker buster on Maduro. Maybe do the same for Putin. Neither is a US citizen.
Assassinating world leaders is extremely dangerous and frowned upon.
It is not possible to protect the leaders of western democracies from assassination by the militaries of even small countries.
The job of the Secret Service is hard enough, Typically they only provide coverage against snipers out to about 1/4 mile – yet military snipers have hit targets at over 2 miles.
That is just ONE of many easy ways that another nation can take out a western world leader.
^^^ this is upside down world so why not show the world just how lucky they once were by switching to the baddest nation?
Merry Christmas
The lack of due process is constitutional? ^^^ grammarly fail. The lack of due process is UNconstitutional. Teee here.
What a world…
A snippet from General Tommy Franks books ‘American Soldier’, “May 10 was day three…., By 1040 hours, the companies were maneuvering south along a main road , attempting to encircle the VC dug into the ruins of what had been and industrial complex….” Lieutenant Franks was observing a fire fight from a helicopter and observed and heard “Heavy contact” and that the troops were taking RPG fire from a warehouse in the complex. General Franks looking for the nearest battery of a 105 fire base contacted them and ordered ordnance to target coordinates using his commanders authorizing initials [Echo Alpha], by late afternoon the attach was over.
Now the interesting part of the story [May15]; “I woke up when the Huey from U.S. Army Viet Nam headquarters clattered in to land at the Battalion command post. The fighting had been over for four days. Eric Antila was up at Division with the other Battalion commander, reporting on the engagement. The two-star general and two colonels climbed out of the helicopter and asked for the 5-60 Artillery LNO….
I button my shirt and saluted. None of the senior officers shook my hand; nor did they smile, or exchange the usual pleasantries. One of the colonels was from the Inspector General’s office; the other was a JAG lawyer. He presented a printed form and directed me to swear that my statement was voluntary, true, and complete.
What the f—‘s all this all about?
Half an hour later, as we drove from the blasted house to shattered factory, I’d begun to figure it out.
‘What hit this building?” the IG colonel asked, pointing at the ruined warehouse beside the canal.
“Five-hundred –pound high-drag bomb, Sir,” I answered.
“And you ordered the air strike?”
“Yes, Sir.”
The questions were all the same. We spent an hour driving through the area, reviewing targets on which I had ordered fire missions, or air strikes, or both. By the end of that hour I realized what was going on: These sour-faced senior REMF’s were looking for someone to court-martial for employing excessive force in case there was trouble over the destruction of this district on the outskirts of Saigon.
And every time we stopped, either the General or one of the colonels would ask: “And you are sure that the unit you supported was in contact”.
It looked like I might be going to DEROS sooner than expected-wearing handcuffs.
We were examining a burned-out house near the command post when Lt. Colonel Antila’s muddy jeep pulled up. He saluted the officers and walked along with us as we continue the inspection of the ruined building.
After he heard two of the team’s formally phrased queries, Eric Antila stepped between the general and me. “Sir” he said quietly, looking the man right in the eye. “Those are excellent questions. But you’re asking the wrong man. The duty log will reflect that every fire mission and air strike was cleared by Echo Alpha-Eric Antila. Lieutenant Franks simple relayed my orders”.
I only present this for two words in the last paragraph: {duty log}. Any fool can use hyperbole (you dirty rat) but in the military orders are documented.
I’ll ask those that say it’s just drugs; we should stop, frisk, and arrest, not kill. What would you say if the mules were bringing in Ebola packaged as a pleasure time, just give it a try?
The whole “second strike” issue is a red herring. In WWII, when we torpedoed a Japanese freighter, our subs usually fired multiple “fish.” If it didn’t sink, it was torpedoed again. If our tank shot a German or Iraqi tank and it wasn’t destroyed, we shot it again. When our P-51 shot a Me-109 but it kept flying, our pilot kept shooting until it crashed. It’s called warfare and the purpose is to kill people and break things. As for the whole “non-combatant” argument, 100,000 dead Americans per year would probably disagree. Besides, how is a Venezuelan “civilian” on a boat carrying drugs to the U.S. in 2025 any different than Japanese “civilian” on a freighter carrying ammunition to Guadalcanal in 1942?
I can’t speak for all 14 known boat strikes but none that I’m aware of were actually heading to the United States. There appears to be no record of any other boat being struck twice. Your warfare argument requires an actual war, when was that war declared and against whom? I don’t recall Congress declaring one.
I can’t speak for all 14 known boat strikes but none that I’m aware of were actually heading to the United States.
There have been 21 known strikes, not 14 – and your argument and what your display of the credibility of your facts is already sinking without being hit by a single missile.
The admission that you don’t know Jack bullSchiff about what intelligence had been gathered beforehand of where these boats were headed and what they were carrying is somewhat admirable. As is your followup admission that you also don’t know Jack bullSchiff about whether any boats other than this one were struck more than once. (but perhaps our missiles are so perfect that no target on a battlefield or at sea is ever struck more than once, there is that).
You could at least also confess that you don’t know Jack bullSchiff about the legal background regarding this that goes through dozens of military, Executive, and civilian lawyers when a president has a program of shoot down/sink interdiction of narco-terrorism whether it’s a Clinton, Obama, Biden or Trump beginning such a program.
But let’s just have the deep drumming of another conspiracy theory!!!!
That’s right. President Trump is making war. Congress can declare it if they want.
Someone’s finally doing something. Government by drug cartels is new in polysci classes.
WS – no the Warfare argument does not require a declared war – we have not had one of those since WWII.
Even Iraq and Afghanistan were merely Authorizations by Congress to use military force.
Clinton, Bush, Obama, even Trump used Drones to kill terrorists. No one more so than Obama.
Those terrorists were NOT typically killed “in the act” as these people are.
Those terrorists were typically killed while surrounded by innocent civilians and those innnocent civilians were killed in large numbers.
Like it or not the country and the world for the most part is WAY PAST THIS – there is nothing to see here.
While NYT is claiming That WaPo reporting was wrong,
The only reason that the WaPo story had the tiniest of legs was the Hope of the left that it might be politically damaging to Trump or someone Trump afilliated.
Theere would be no story at all if this was any other president.
Many people cite Obama’s drone killing of a teenage US Citizen – but even that barely got reported at the time.
That mostly comes up – as it does now to refute stories like this one.
Unless you were outraged by Obama killing teenage US citizens you have no foundation to be outraged over Trump’s conduct here.
Congress has not declared war since WWII
Regardless, Congress and the constitution do authorize the use of Military force by the president without a declaration of war.
There are myriads of examples.
Maybe if you’re on the left you would question Professor Turley’s opinions on this blog. In the past
The New York Times was your go to source for news. Now that The Times has debunked The Washington Post story you conveniently ignore the Times reporting. Not one of the leftist posters on this forum has told us that The Times is wrong in its assessment. Why is this true? Because you will gleefully use The Times to support your story in the future. What is it? Is The Times right or is it wrong or are you just too cowardly to answer.
Really man, why is it you never think your comments through?
Who exactly are the leftist posters here?
And you actually take the commenters on this blog seriously?
And who are you addressing with your comment?
TiT,
Occasionally I am surprised that MSM will actually report on a story with no bias and with facts. It is rare but it does happen. I recall for like two weeks, NPR of all MSM was very critical of Obama, even reporting on his deportations and protesters at the Obama built detention centers. And now, I am mildly surprised the NYT debunked WaPo with sources to back them up. Even a broken clock can be right once a day.
Interesting, and totally expected from the Fake News WaPo.
But the debunking by the equally-Fake News NYT is a bit shocking.
After losing the Schumer shutdown fiasco, and the Epstein debacle that only outed Democrats as pedophile whores, they and their propaganda media, like WaPo, are just desperate for anything that looks like a win.
After being humiliated by the borderline seditious post (by congressional Democrats who should have known better), trying to find an illegal order was the order of the day (just like using “disappearing” was to the same Democrats awhile back).
WaPo, already with zero credibility as “journalism”, decided to invent a source and go with the ridiculous story.
How in the world did any experienced editor allow that drivel to get out?
I guess desperation makes people do insane things, but this surely didn’t help the Democrat cause at all.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident was used by Johnson to get the equivalent of War Powers in Vietnam.
Trump does not need that.
A better model would be Bushes Operation Enduring Freedom in Panama.
That did not require Congressional authorization.
I am not sure that is what Trump is planning.
Though I am absolutely certain that Rubio is pointing out that possibility to Maduro over and over.
Regardless the goal is the end of the Maduro regime – preferably with the least amount of force.
Pretty sure Trump does NOT want US boots on the ground in Venezuela.
This is also a part of a massive – but inevitable realignment of US foreign policy.
The war in Ukraine should have proven to all that Russia is no longer a world power.
Ukraine with the help of just ONE other European power – such as Poland could have defeated Russia.
This war is Russias “last gasp”. It is unlikely they will recover enough in 2 decades to repeat this.
Regardless my point is that Europe is capable of taking care of itself.
The US will remain in NATO – but increasingly the security interests of Europe will be the business of Europeans.
It is not the 70’s anymore. The US is no longer dependant in Mideastern oil.
Trump wants to end the Arab Isreali conflict permanently so that the US can get out of the mideast.
The mideast is no longer a national security interest of the US. It IS howver a national secutity interest of Europe.
Africa is rich in natural resources – but politically it is a complete and total mess. Further it is NOT in the US interests.
We did not break it. We did not colonize it (not that colonization was bad for Africa). It is not our problem
we just do not care about africa.
But the western Hemisphere is a MAJOR us interst – and it has been since the 5th US president put forth the Munroe Doctrine.
There are myriads of reasons that south and central america are major interests of the US.
Expect they will be even more so in the future.
The next major US interest is the Anglosphere – the UK, CA, NZ, AU.
And last but not least the Pacific rim
China is the major US global power threat right now – I am not sure how long that will last – but they are far more of a threat than Russia,
and US interests in Asia are far more important than in Europe.
Regardless it is in the US interests to create a prosperous western hemisphere.
The way to stop the flood of drugs and illegal immigrants is to have functioning and prosperous nations in Central and South america.
Before Chavez Venezeuala had the highest Standard of living in South Amrica. Now they have the lowest.
The war in Ukraine should have proven to all that Russia is no longer a world power.
You should try selling that libertarian isolationist hopes and dreams tapdancing fantasy to Poland and the other former vassal Soviet states that aren’t sitting safe in America on their couch, but instead have Putin on their borders just a few miles away.
ATS
Libertarians are not isolationsists – they are just not Neo-Cons,
They do not beleive that the US should be sacrificing blood and treasure over something that is not in our national interests.
George Washington said much the same thing in his farewell address.
Other presidents such as Eisenhower and Truman had similar concerns.
If you had bothered to read I explicitly stated that what is happening in Ukraine IS a national security interest of Europe – and particularly Poland.
You rant about the threat to Poland and other former eastern block nations – but you fail to note the response from those countries.
Nearly all have sent aide to Ukraine. NONE have sent Troops to Ukraine.
To a rational observer that reads that Poland and other Eastern Block countries take the threat of Russian agression seriously enought to send money and weapons but not seriously enough to send troops.
Why ? Because their judgement is much the same as mine. Russia has paid a very very high price for its agression in Ukraine.
Russia had an inverted demographic curve BEFORE this war – i.e. a declining and aging population.
This war has killed off about a million young adult russian males. That alone will Take Russia a long time to recover from – if ever.
I am Sure Poland and the Baltics and Finland and many other nations with concerns about Russia are happy to See Ukraine killing off large numbers of Russian young adult males. But not so much so that they have sent their own troops.
The populations of Poland and Ukraine are about equal. Based on what we have seen in this war – if Poland was willing to provide Troops to Ukraine – Russia would be driven out of Ukraine, and Crimea. Of cource Poland is a NATO member and has a NATO security guarantee if attacked.
Russia has spent an enormous amount of blood and treasure on this war – and nothing in the peace deal being discussed is going to allow Russia to recover any of that quickly.
Russia’s energy infrastructure has been decimated. Further Russia has not been educating the engineers and workers necescary to rebuild that energy infrastructure without outside help. SOME of the damage to Russias energy infrastructure is repairable by any nation with energy engineering experience. But any of the damage in Siberia requires energy expertise that is pretty much limited to the US.
Next Russia has brned through massive stockpiles of military equipment – about 50% of their equipment reserves have been destroyed by this war. Further the equipment that has not been damaged is antique – some dating back to WWII and in bad shape.
Russia will be able to replaces the losses in equipment – but it is going top take a very long time.
Russia is just plane NOT going to be able to engage in any aggression against neighbors anytime soon.
Regardless as I said before – Russian aggression IS in the interests of Europe, and Europe has assessed the threat that Putin and Russia posed and delivered what they believe is the appropriate level of aide to Ukraine to address their security concerns.
One of the reasons this war has gone on so long is because both the US under Biden and the Europeans WANT IT TO.
Neither the US nor the EU have wanted peace – so long as they do not have to commit troops to the fight.
Both the US and EU were willing to pour hundreds of billions of dollars into Ukraine to use Ukraine to weaken Russia.
The US and the EU have tolerated significant waste and Fraud in Ukraine – because Ukraine was very effectively weakening Russia.
The damage this war has done to Russia is gargantuan and it is going to take a decade or more to replace.
In the current atmosphere with Maduro and the State Department negotiations (Talks about Maduro to exile in Qatar*)
and the ongoing War on Drugs (Military intercepts of Cartel Smugglers). The aspect of a Caribbean “Gulf of Tonkin incident” seems to be a possibility, in that all it would take is a strike by the Venezuelan/Cartel upon a U.S. Military vessels and thus triggering the War on Venezuelan soil.
How close are We to having that happen?
*Maduro to exile in Qatar
According to recent reports, the Trump administration is considering allowing Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to go into exile in
Qatar as a potential outcome of negotiations amid growing tensions with the U.S.. Secretary of State Marco Rubio has reportedly floated the idea, with Qatar acting as a country mediating negotiations between the U.S. and Venezuela. The possibility of exile in Qatar is being discussed as the U.S. weighs escalating military action, including potential strikes closer to Venezuela’s shores.
Ref.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
While a Gulf of Tonkin style incident is definitely something to be wary of, honestly I don’t see it as Trump’s style. Trump is far less concerned with the niceties of creating a “self-defense justification” that the state dept types so love. Trump will just blaze ahead and do what he thinks needs to be done regardless.
I agree that ‘It’s not Trump’s Style” and he is pro-peaceful resolutions. But I am worried about the rest of the ‘crew’ – the Pentagon and CIA.
Triggering the Navy would make many Congress members delighted (States where Naval Contract Yards are) – Lindsay Graham would be giddy. There is a sizable Naval build up in that area of the Caribbean, and that’s a Trump Show-of-Bravado to which he is noted for. If Muduro backs down and goes into exile, then the US gets it’s regimen change peacefully. The Pentagon is not going to back away and CIA Covert Ops* is embedded (committed) to its program.
BTW: Curious that there is no mention about the Barbados – just saying keep an eye on Ops.
*There will not be a “Clear and Present Danger” scenario – Trump wants Transparency as best it can be served.
(Harrison Ford plays CIA analyst Jack Ryan)
all it would take is a strike by the Venezuelan/Cartel upon a U.S. Military vessels and thus triggering the War on Venezuelan soil.
By God, I think you’re right! Trump is clearly the president most likely to either find a “Maduro Dossier” inside an FBI investigation, or create a fraudulent military attack on our troops!
That or something similar so he can send the SEALS emerging from the sea to kitten crawl across the beaches into Venezuela, while he orders the 101st Airborne battalions into a combat jump into Caracas while the Rangers do night drops to assault and seize all communications facilities, power plants, etc.
Trump’s past history as president proves there is nothing he wants more than boots on the ground of foreign nations.
Is there a Wikipedia article about Trump’s past decisions supporting him doing that now?
Anonymous says: December 3, 2025 at 12:36 PM
“Is there a Wikipedia article about Trump’s past decisions supporting him doing that now?”
No but there is one on Grenada from another past President (Ronald Reagan), Trump’s mentor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada
“Trump’s past history as president proves there is nothing he wants more than boots on the ground of foreign nations.”
ROFL
Where do you left wing nuts come up with this stuff.
Trump is the First US president since Ford to NOT invade a foreign country.
Do I need to list the various invasions of every other recent president ?
Trumps “MO” is to use powerful blows – as oppsed to massive military force to get what he wants quickly and get out.
There is an open question as to what Trump will do if Madoro does not leave.
I am not sure that Trump would be willing to attempt an “operation Just Cause” invasion of Venezeulla to depose Maduro.
But even if he did – that would still make him less of a war monger than all other recent US presidents.
Regardless, Trump goes to a great deal of trouble to avoid the US of US forces in any way that results in noticeable US casualties.
Iwould further note that excepting Ford and Nixon – who did not invade anyone and attempted to End wars started by Democrats,
the next president that did not start a War would be Eisenhower, and before that Hoover and Coolidge.
Rabble:
John, I believe that A you are responding to is dripping with sarcasm. I’ve been in the submarine community for 8 years, and my snarkasm detector is off the charts.
Might be.
Does not change anything I posted.
The most prominent movie about a journalist who made up stories is Shattered Glass (2003), a biographical drama about Stephen Glass, who fabricated many of his articles for The New Republic magazine. The film stars Hayden Christensen as Glass and explores the scandal and his downfall.
Once upon a time the Washington Post was known for finding three reputable sources before a story was posted. Now the writers at The Post just sit around and congratulate each other? Did you see how I got the Republicans and President Trump yesterday? Oh yes! Oh yes! I was clapping my hands in ecstasy when I read your piece. What’s that you say. The New York Times says you were telling a lie! Woe is me, even the Times has been infiltrated by the hated MAGA! Don’t they understand that the one source we relied on has a well founded axe to grind? I went down into the dark cellar under the building and lo and behold there lay truth in the darkness. I left him where he belongs.
apparently no one on the side of this being ‘illegal ‘ or saying it’s murder has ever been in combat. when you are trying to destroy a target, you hit it until it is destroyed. in WW2 when we hit a Japanese carrier in the battle of Midway we didn’t stop ltrying to sink it after just one bomb hit their carrier. We didnt stop the attack after each bomb hit one of their carriers to check to see if there were possible survivors. We continued the attack to ensure the targets were destroyed. Police officers are trained to shoot center mass and keep firing until the target is down. The left is in serious need of a brain on this.
Dec 7 1941 – Japanese attack Pearl Harbor
Dec 8 1941 – Congress declares war on Japan
Fast forward to 2025
Trump declares drug traffickers a clear and present danger to the US and orders the death penalty upon those using boats to transport drugs anywhere, not necessarily the US
Congress declares war on drug traffickers- oops THEY HAVE NOT YET …. but I’m sure they will, right?
See the difference?
On a side note
Dec 1, 2015
Former Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernández, sentenced last year to 45 years in prison for his role in a drug trafficking operation that moved hundreds of tons of cocaine to the United States, was released from prison following a pardon from President Donald Trump
ATS – do I need to list the military actions of presidents since WWII that did NOT involve a declaration of War ?
We talk about the Korean War – but there was no Korean War – there was no congressional declaration of War.
Nor was there one in Vietnam, or Grenada, or Libya, or Panama when Bush invaded using identical justifications to Trump and Maduro,
nor was there a declaration of War in Somalia, or the Balkans, or Iraq or Afghanistan,
But if you wish to go all the way back to our founding – the Early US navy was created to fight the Barbary Pirates.
All other nations of Europe bribed the pirate nations of North Africa to protect their shipping.
The US alone decided to fight the pirates nations. And we built our early navy to do so.
No declaration of war.
The left has no standards but for double standards.
If you opposed the Afghanistan and Iraq actions, if you opposed the drone strikes, if you opposed operation Just Cause
If you opposed the other military actions of the US without declarations of war – then you would be credible.
But the anti-war left died decades ago.
It is transparent to all that:
If Trump does it – you are opposed
no matter what “it” is.
If Biden or Obama or any other democrats does it,
you are in favor – no matter what “it” is.
For all your moralizing in the post above or your other posts,
it is self evident to all – you have no moral foundations.
Your core values are:
Orange man bad.
Democrats good.
Without underlying moral foundations – you have no credibility.
Dec 1, 2015: Former Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernández, sentenced last year to 45 years in prison for his role in a drug trafficking operation that moved hundreds of tons of cocaine to the United States, was released from prison following a pardon from President Donald Trump
On January 17, 2017, as one of the final acts of his presidency, Barack Obama commuted the sentence of 74-year-old Oscar Lopez Rivera, the Puerto Rican terrorist who had served 35 years for terrorist bombings in America that took multiple lives. Rivera’s FALN was responsible for over 130 bombings their terrorism spree, including the January 1975 explosion in Manhattan’s historic Fraunces Tavern, which killed four and wounded 63.
In October of that year, it set off, all within the span of an hour, 10 bombs in three cities, causing nearly a million dollars in damage. In August 1977, the FALN set off a series of bombs in Manhattan, forcing 100,000 workers to evacuate their offices; one person was killed, and six were injured.
See the difference?
apparently no one on the side of this being ‘illegal ‘ or saying it’s murder has ever been in combat. when you are trying to destroy a target
No, they’re here (as well as in Congress the news) right now, attempting to bring down Hegseth. Just as they succeeded in doing with General Flynn eight years ago. In real life, some of them were veterans of combat while working in the Clinton military and administration narco-terrorist sink/shoot down programs that went as far south as Peru not just Columbia and Venezuela.
Some were combat veterans involved in, or reporting on, Obama’s missile attacks in foreign nations we weren’t at war with. Including something far worse than the Hegseth Double Tap Lie: Obama’s military carrying out a missile strike on a wedding a wanted terrorist was attending. And then waiting until first responders rushed to the scene on the tactical decision that some of them would be other terrorists hoping the terrorist had survived the first missile – and then firing a second missile into the first responders to make sure they got all the terrorists.
The point being, this isn’t lack of military experience, or even lack of rational thought. This is deliberate and planned deceit in hopes it will result in taking out Hegseth in much they same type of coordinated lies that they took out General Flynn with.
They know better. The lies are to deflect attention from Senator Mark Kelly and his Blue Falcon squadron of the Spiteful Six – and hopefully take out Hegseth while doing so.
Don’t give them the excuse of “but I just didn’t know better”.
Thus far this has gotten nowhere.
The only scalp that the left has gotten was that of Gates.
Depending on the news cycle – Bondi’s firing is imminent, or Patel, or Boningo, or Gabbard, or Hegseth or ….
But the only Firings we see in this administration are of biased left wing nuts, and deep state operatives trying to undermine the administration.
I am absolutely certain there is lots of political maneuvering and jousting for power in this administration.
We have a very very weird presidency.
Trump is technically a lame duck – and lame ducks traditionally accomplish nothing.
But Trump learned ALOT from his first term.
This time he has a very loyal team – and contra the left a very competent team that shares his visions.
At the same time he has a young team that is beyond any doubt the future of the republican party,
And they are all jockying for positions – not just now, but in 4 years.
Unlike typical Lame Ducks – Trumps various cabinet members are not leaving quietly over time.
They are using their positions as a spring board to their future.
Despite the idiotic stories being floated – there is no evidence that any of the members of Trumps cabinet do not have Trump;s full support. they each make a few mistakes, But they do their jobs and they are committed to implimenting the platform that got Trump elected.
Trump is unlikely to sack any of them for an occasional mistake.
I disagree with commenters that any aspect of this attack, as described publicly thus far, constitutes a war crime under international law or violates the US Constitution.
What all discussion of this matter is ignoring is the hybrid nature of this declared terrorist activity by Venezuela directed at the United States. It presents the same conundra as the “War on Terror” — how does one combat a combination of assaults on American society ranging from mass illegal migration to fomenting crime in American communities to disseminating deadly drugs to vulnerable Americans. For Maduro, these are unconventional forms of warfare that are intended to influence American policy toward Venezuela by creating problems within the United States and then using those problems to induce the United States to propitiate, rather than isolate or replace, the Maduro regime. They were seemingly effective during the Biden Administration.
The use of these unconventional techniques to weaken one’s enemies from within are well known and obvious to everyone except American media, judiciary and political leadership. For example, “Unrestricted Warfare” forms a core element of Chinese military doctrine, embracing such concepts as “smuggling warfare” and “cultural warfare” and “drug warfare.” For a quick summary, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare
In this context, the Chinese government’s reported support for fentanyl production, as well as their support of international drug cartels through finance, logistics, etc., can and I think should be seen as a strategic effort to weaken American society and thus advance China’s global hegemonic ambitions. Maduro’s Venezuela becomes just another regional platform from which to engage in this unconventional warfare against the United States.
https://mwi.westpoint.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Domestic-Fentanyl-Crisis-Strategic-Context_Responding-China-Drug-Warfare.pdf
It therefore should come as no surprise that political and material support for Maduro has come from those governments that would benefit most from a preoccupied, weakened and destabilized United States: China, Russia, Cuba, and Iran (including, reportedly, the IRGC and Iran’s proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah).
gatestoneinstitute.org/22083/venezuela-alliances
As has been said, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Judges need to keep their silly lawyer heads out of this issue — it is not justiciable. Congress has every right to intercede legislatively, and has several avenues to restrict or ban the operation if it chooses to do so. But to act responsibly (hah!), Congress needs to present a serious and effective proposal in its stead.
I am only surprised that there is anything left of these little boats after a missile strike.
If they can’t take out what is essentially an oversized rowboat, how good would they be against a hostile navy ship?
Maybe there should be a demand for better missiles.
These drug boats are a relatively small and fast moving target, manually illuminated by a person pointing a laser from many miles away, which the missile tracks. Just a slight pointing jitter for a few milliseconds could cause the missile to be a few feet off target, and miss the direct hit needed to sink the boat.
Are you honestly saying that this technology is inadequate?
Jeff– “Are you honestly saying that this technology is inadequate?”
Nope. Just posing a question. Thanks for the explanation.
OFF TOPIC: Antitrust | Contract Law
Michael Jordan is suing Nascar, accusing it of being an illegal monopoly
NBA legend Michael Jordan is suing Nascar, the biggest US motorsports company, accusing it of operating an illegal monopoly that has caused financial harm to a team he partly owns.
On Monday, he sat in the front row of the courtroom for the first day of the lawsuit’s trial, listening to emotional testimony from Denny Hamlin, the three-time champion in the Daytona 500 and a co-owner of Jordan’s team, 23XI racing.
Jordan and Hamlin, along with Front Row Motorsports, are accusing Nascar of illegally making hundreds of millions of dollars by stifling opportunity.
Nascar CEO Jim France, who inherited the stock car racing business from his father, Nascar’s founder, denies any wrongdoing.
Brandon Drenon – BBC News ~ December 2nd 2025
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgj80pg49go
What happened in Day 2 of NASCAR’s antitrust trial
EVP of strategy and innovation Scott Prime was questioned
On the second day of the 23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsport versus NASCAR antitrust case trial, the Executive Vice President and Chief Strategy Officer of the Sanctioning Body was called to the witness stand.
By: Matt Weaver ~ Dec 2, 2025
https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/what-happened-in-day-2-of-nascars-antitrust-trial-/10781882/
Mark Twain famously said “Democrat lies can travel all around the world before the truth can get its shoes on”
In this case however, Senator Kelly, flight leader of the Blue Falcons Hateful Six, didn’t even get out a defensive “See, this is what I warned the troops about, their criminal generals issuing illegal orders” – and the lie by the Democrat-Marxist Media Propaganda Complex was shot right out of the sky before Kelly could join up and fly with them in formation.
For Flight Leader Kelly and the Blue Falcon Hateful Six, this might not be the shoot-down that most here appear to believe it is. If the furor over the continued lying, and now Congress investigating the military( while ignoring investigating the media lying again with another “Russia Dossier” propaganda hit) leads to the country turning their attention from Flight Leader Kelly and the Blue Falcon Hateful Six, they will call that a win.
They will also consider at a triple lie score if attention is diverted from Biden bringing in many completely unvetted Afghans, not vetting them at any time in the years past that, and then simply accepting an asylum claim for bureaucratic processing – leading to the murder of an American soldier.
And now, wannabe VP and battle hardened Command Sergeant Major Governor Walz being implicated in allowing over a hundred of his state’s Somali population to steal over a billion dollars in taxpayer fraud.
Democrats can always find silver linings in telling cloudy lies.
While I suspect I share your view of the current crop of US Democratic politicians, adding a blatantly partisan spin to a famous quote about lying strikes me as almost criminally ironic. For your edification here is a link to an article that researches the source of that quotation: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/
Note that in no version are ‘Democrats’ or even politicians in general, called out by name.
My request to you and others is that you not inflate or exaggerate the failings of the opposition, as it leads others to mistrust your words and those who share your goals. Stating the honest truth without embellishment should be more than sufficient.
While I suspect I share your view of the current crop of US Democratic politicians…
And my suspicion is… “That’s all and the best that you’ve got????”
I have given some thought to whether I should apologize for offending your tender sensibilities by adding the word “Democrats” to that post.
I have decided upon careful reflection that you do not deserve, nor will you get one. I do not hold readers here in such contempt as you do. I do not share your belief they have similar tender sensibilities, nor agree with your opinion that readers here aren’t smart enough to figure it out, even if they’re just as offended as you.
Your insinuation that readers here have tender feelings and are too stupid to figure it out without your help are are a copycat of Kelly and his Blue Falcons.
They defamed our military and other leaders because – apparently – those under their command were simply too stupid to realize their leaders were issuing them illegal orders. And thus, the Blue Falcons just wanted to help them out with their cognitive shortcomings. And now you’re here attempting the same towards readers here.
My request to you is this: stop trying to fly around in your flimsy false flag warship of morality, claiming that I and others exaggerated the extent of the defaming, lies and culpability of Kelly and his Blue Falcon Hateful Six. As well as the Democrats currently pushing these lies about Hegseth to cover Kelly and his Blue Falcons insulting and defamation of our military, law enforcement, and CIA leadership.
They’re lying with the express intent to destroy these peoples’ lives and careers. As well as derail this Trump term as president in exactly the same fashion as we watched them do with his first one.
But for moral ol’ little you: instead, what really sets your hair on fire is the insertion of the word “Democrat” in that quote that was used? WTF is wrong with you????
Now take thee off to take Kelly, the WaPoo and the others to task for inflating and exaggerating their defamation and lies. There’s something useful for you to do – abandon your false flag warship and get busy with that.
You’re welcome, whatever the fvck you decide to post next.
The statement “a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on” is a modern variation of a long-standing adage that has been falsely attributed to numerous figures, including Mark Twain, Winston Churchill, and Thomas Jefferson.
Shocked, SHOCKED, I say to see Jonny carrying more water for Hegseth and Trump on this. And his best defense of Stinky Pete? “Obama presumably would have done the same.” Good Lord, man – you are utterly shameless. You wrote a book bemoaning the “age of rage” and then you happily fan the flames. How quick the argument went from “These six Democrats telling servicewomen and men NOT to obey illegal orders is reprehensible” to…”Ummm – we didn’t do a double tap, no wait, we did do a double tap but Pete didn’t see it to…No, no we did a double tap, we saw it and it was totally cool and totally legal.” You gotta wonder why Admiral Holsey relinquished his command of SOUTHCOM….almost like he knew Stinky Pete was basically murdering people. If only we could ask the JAG corps what they think – but whoooopsie, Stinky Pete fired them all when he took his post. How convenient. Why didn’t you comment on any of that, Jonny?
Shocked, SHOCKED, I say to see Jonny carrying more water for Hegseth and Trump on this.
When one of Biden’s Birthing Boyz can tranny the sex they were born with, it makes perfect sense the morals and standards they present to the world can tranny for political purposes as well.
Definitely NOT shocked to see a gaslighting desperate Biden Furry Tranny who gloated when Obama double tapped a wedding party in a country we weren’t at war with, now claims to have discovered a suit of morals he/she/ze thinks fit as perfectly as The Emperor’s New Clothes to wear while going after Hegseth.
A reminder to the tranny furry attempting this gaslighting: Obama fired one missile into the wedding party and guests to get that terrorist. And then waited until a crowd gathered at the scene to provide medical aid to survivors, and then fired a missile into the first responders as well, on the theory that if they were coming to help wounded terrorists and their wives and children, then they and the family they brought with them were probably terrorists as well.
With Democrats, they can tranny their morals just as fast as they can tranny their sex when they see little girls headed into a change room.
Any comment on that, Democrat Biden Birthing Boy? Yes, I am mocking and jeering at your desperate and blatant double standards and hypocrisy.
Well Anonymous, it was just months ago when you told us that The New York Times was printing all the news that was fit to print. Now the Times comes out with a story that destroys your narrative and puff the Times story should just be overlooked. You’d throw your own mother under the bus if she said you better think it through again. Get the to The Guardian.
ATS – The Trump administration is not responsible for the fact that Democrats can’t keep their lies straight.
You point out multiple different claims as to what happened – but MISS the fact that those are NOT the claims of the Trump administration,
They are the false claims of the press.
While most americans pay no attention to this.
To the extent we care how many missiles it takes to sink a drug boat – that would be because the missiles cost millions.
If you choose to get into a speedboat full of Drugs today – you can expect to die, and most americans see that as justice.
No one cares about the stupid things you do.
The Trump administration always lies as do most governments. Clearly their rationale for indiscriminate killing of Venezuelans is a lie. The war on drugs is a fraud. Look at Trump’s pardon of the Honduran ex president . Perhaps this is an attempt to change the narrative from the coverup of the Epstein files. Everyone involved in this debacle is guilty of war crimes if not murder. Hopefully in the future these criminals will be prosecuted in the Hague.
Amen.
The Trump administration always lies as do most governments. Clearly their rationale for indiscriminate killing of Venezuelans is a lie.
BBBBUUUUTTTT…. MUH TRUMP!!!!!!
Gaslighting
Gaslighting is the intended psychological manipulation by a low-IQ perpetrator of those they hope to victimize through intentionally misleading that person or persons. This involves the perpetrator lying, denying events, and other methods used in the hope their intended victims doubt their perceptions of reality, memories, and feel overly emotional or irrational.
Look at Trump’s pardon of the Honduran ex president . Perhaps this is an attempt to change the narrative from the coverup of the Epstein files.
Please ignore the Obama/Biden pardons of terrorists, drug cartel leaders, child rapists and murderers. Perhaps this is an attempt to change the focus from one of Biden’s imported terrorists murdering yet another one of our soldiers while the Obama/Biden felons involved in their “Arctic Frost” are being put before Grand Juries in Florida?
Projection:
Channeling one’s actions onto others typically refers to the psychological concept of projection, where an emotionally disturbed individual unconsciously or deliberately attributes their own thoughts, feelings, and anti-social or criminal behaviors onto someone else.
This is an internal defense mechanism which allows that mentally ill person to avoid confronting their own behavior and guilt by seeing it instead as as the thoughts and actions of another person who they despise and hate.
“The Trump administration always lies as do most governments.”
Substantially less than most.
The Trump administration is pretty open about what it is doing.
It INVITES left wing nuts to rage against it, And beleives – mostly correctly that the people will support it over left wing nuts.
The Trump administration has no reason to lie – They are doing what they promised to do.
They are doing what YOU voted against.
“Clearly their rationale for indiscriminate killing of Venezuelans is a lie.”
It is YOU that are lying. There is no indiscriminant killing of venezeuallans.
There is the near certain killing of those who take boats full of drugs out of venezeulla.
Unless you are a venezeullan on the high seas in a boat full of Drugs you have little to fear from Trump.
That is VERY discriminating.
“The war on drugs is a fraud.”
Of course it is – what is new there ?
“Look at Trump’s pardon of the Honduran ex president .”
Look at the pardons of all presidents ?
“Perhaps this is an attempt to change the narrative from the coverup of the Epstein files.”
Keep beating that dead horse. If there was anything in the Eptain files that Damaged Trump – Biden would have released it.
The Biden admin certainly had no problem with illegal acts and leaking to get Trump.
Much of the “epstein files” have already been released.
There will be more.
Complying with the constitution will require lots of redations
Then you will claim that is more coverup.
Ultimately it will all come out – and like the Collusion delusion it will be a fizzle.
You have tried every trick in the book and you have not hurt Trump yet.
Maybe you should consider the possibility that YOU and what YOU beleive are the problem ?
“Everyone involved in this debacle is guilty of war crimes if not murder.”
ROFL
“Hopefully in the future these criminals will be prosecuted in the Hague.”
Right after Obama and Biden.
Here’s an interesting bit of information about what is going on in the Caribbean.
You may have heard of the Five Eyes intelligence alliance that was formed after WWII. After the war there were only 5 democracies left standing, the United States, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand. They formed an intelligence alliance to share all information so that another world war might be averted. Historically they have worked very closely together.
The UK has particular expertise in intelligence gathering in the Caribbean, more so than the other four allies. They still have 5 Overseas Territories (colonies) in the Caribbean that they govern directly, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, and Turks and Caicos Islands.
There are also 12 countries in the Caribbean that are former colonies and now part of the British Commonwealth with very close ties to the UK, Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and Trinidad and Tobago.
The UK has a lot of eyes and ears on the ground in the Caribbean, much more so than the US. Historically, the UK has been the best source of intelligence regarding drug trafficking.
Since Trump started indiscriminately attacking boats in the area, the UK has stopped supplying intelligence.
Obviously, the UK believes that the US is no longer a trustworthy ally.
It’s clear that not all the boats being attacked are drug traffickers.
This most recent episode of the double strike was on a boat carrying 11 people. This was highly unlikely to be a drug boat. It was much more likely to be a a boat carrying illegal immigrants. Many Venezuelans try to get to nearby Trinidad, Dominican Republic, Aruba and Curacao by boat.
The fact that there were 11 people suggests that they were much more likely to be immigrants and not drug traffickers. With 11 people on board there would be much less room for drugs and fuel for a longer journey. Drug boats typically have only 3 or 4 people at the most.
The Brits are probably well aware that many of these boats are carrying immigrants, and not drugs, and this is why they no longer share intelligence with the US.
It’s clear that not all the boats being attacked are drug traffickers.
It’s clear that this is another desperate lie in hopes of deflecting from the “double tap” lie failing.
Yes, we’ve all seen that video from all over the world where would-be illegal aliens were being ferried in fast boats mounting an array of outboard motors on the back, with only a few people in them, going at a speed a Coast Guard cutter couldn’t catch up with. And every single time with only a few people in them and a whole bunch of bundles that might have been their belongings – instead of choosing instead to pack the boat to the gunnels with paying illegal alien customers to the point they were in danger of sinking. Which many of them did and still do.
Pack more people with nothing but a knapsack into your boat=make more money on human trafficking.
Alternately, pack more bundles than people in the boat and go fast to elude intercepting boats=make more money drug trafficking to the USA.
Occam’s Razor, cupcake. Ever heard of it?
Democrat communists never pass up an opportunity to show the world how ignorant they are of even the most basic economics.
You’re a novice at this business of cosplaying that you’re an expert on both the drug trade and illegal alien smuggling trade, aren’t you? Which Marxist Media outlet did you crib this theory of yours from – you didn’t dream it up all by yourself, you got it somewhere?
“Alternately, pack more bundles than people in the boat and go fast to elude intercepting boats=make more money drug trafficking to the USA”
Can those boats reach the USA? Asking for a friend.
Or, maybe the drug runners need to move personnel in addition to drugs. Seems more likely than using a very expensive mode of transport for a few migrants.
Maybe the dem’s suggested to the drug-running-terrorists they carry migrants, so the dem’s could complain about Trump preventing drugs from coming into our country, killing 100,000 American citizens a year.
ATS – you are confusing your guesses with facts.
These are “boats” when compared to a US Frigate.
They are not row boats.
BTW the immigrants flooding the UK come in on rowboats and dingy’s and they put much more than 11 people in tiny craft.
If these were boats full of immigrants they would have DOZENS of passengers.
You were making an interesting point right up until you inserted the word “indiscriminately.” Then the mask slipped, and you lost your credibility. Too bad.
So we can cut off intel to the UK for the rest of the entire world. That is why what you are saying is pure BS. If you think for one minute that the pajama femboy in the PMs office is cutting off intel to the US you are nuts.
hullbobby says: If you think for one minute that the pajama femboy in the PMs office is cutting off intel to the US you are nuts.
Well, apparently he is doing that. The obvious question: is that just for public display while the popularity of his complex coalition appears to be sinking like a rock? While under the table everything regarding intelligence sharing is going as it did before? Maybe withhold directly giving it to the USA, but give it to Australia and they’ll be the ones giving it to Trump? Canada maybe?
Starmer is cutting off sharing it with everybody in the Five Eyes, to ensure nobody will then share it with the USA?
Whatever you think of the U.K.’s police state fascist Prime Minister, he was smart enough to cobble together a coalition of multiple parties to hold power in a minority government – but at the same time he’s supposedly dumb enough to believe he can win a raw war of power by cutting off intelligence to Trump and thinking that there is no way that Trump can respond tit-for-tat and more to inflict far, FAR worse on him?
Starmer and his coalition of police state fascist parties keeping him in the Prime Minister’s seat in a minority government are just one major embarrassment or failure from a vote of non-confidence throwing him out on his ass and then having to face the electorate again in a general election.
Good Lord, what an idiot.
Good Lord, what an idiot.
Mirrors are your kryptonite…
Projection:
Channeling one’s actions onto others typically refers to the psychological concept of projection, where an emotionally disturbed individual unconsciously or deliberately attributes their own thoughts, feelings, and anti-social or criminal behaviors onto someone else.
This is an internal defense mechanism which allows that mentally ill person to avoid confronting their own behavior and guilt by seeing it instead as as the thoughts and actions of another person who they despise and hate.
The UK is overrun by globalists, islamists, and 3rd world barbarians. Maybe it can be saved, maybe not. Either way, at this point, their judgement of the US means nothing to me.
How can 70k people per year dying of drug overdoses in the US not be an emergency?
I consider a strong middle class to be the sign of a healthy country, the polar opposite of the feudal system our betters seem to want. The economic ruin of globalization, the deindustrialization of our country, and a mass illegal alien invasion have led to the decline of the middle class and the rise of despair. Couple that with the massive supply of traditional and ever more potent synthetic drugs and presto: 70k deaths is a Vietnam and five 9-11s every year.
If a ship carries precursors destined for illegal production into our hemisphere, sink it.
If there are survivors after a missile hits a drug runner’s boat the problem is that the US Navy should upsize the warheads or at least fire multiples in a single salvo.
If the USAF can identify drug production facilities in Mexico or other countries, don’t talk, don’t negotiate, and use a big enough warhead to leave nothing but a crater.
If Sheinbaum or any other cartel flunky politician complains cut off trade with their nation and tell them if they can’t clean out their cartels USDOW will do it for them.
Ps- the cartels are like hamas – they’ll put their operations in residential areas. Bad PR but if the intel is solid, oh well.
Since Trump started indiscriminately attacking boats in the area, the UK has stopped supplying intelligence.
For context: this is the same moral U.K. led by a neo-communist police state fascist prime minister that will not prosecute Muslim rape gangs but jails Brits for publicly speaking out about it and other Brits for posting pictures of them holding guns while over in America. And those commonwealth nations you mentioned like Jamaica are classic examples of where British style prohibitions on owning firearms results in those countries having murder rates that completely eclipse our rates in America (you did want to compare the UK and Commonwealth to America, right?).
It’s their country – their prime minister police state fascist version of Commie Mandoni can do that.
But the big dog in the Five Eyes is the USA, NOT the UK.
If they want to try playing the tit-for-tat game of withholding intelligence, I assume they have a plan for when Trump smiles back and says “I can play that game as well – in far, FAR more ways than you can ever hope to do”
Make sure you keep us further informed as to who this turns out to be a FAFO for: the neo-communist police state fascist Prime Minister, or our President Trump.
ATS – I have no Trust of any claim you make.
At the same time – it is likely that the UK has more human assets on the ground throughout the Caribbean.
But the Caribean is merely the road in which these drugs are traveling.
The US is not preparing to invade Tobago – British intelligence is not that useful.
There are two key sources for this operation – observations of the loading of these vessels in Venezuelan and observations of the travel of these vessels through the Caribbean.
The UK has nothing of consequence to contribute to either.
No one is asking about the political stability of the DR.
Separately Starmers UK Government is a complete disaster.
Bo one cares about the choices they may or may not make.
“The more ‘Things’ change, the more ‘They’ stay the same”
The Main-Stream Press is continuing to do as it did in the Trump-1 Administration. That is the continuous battering of the Executive Office Personnel. It is the same Press, doing what it does. They will not stop, They will continue the Negative-Conjecture, and will continue to act like the ‘The PUSH NARRATIVE Machine’. There will be no Loud-Retraction made, They just keep make felonious castigation’s and quietly walk away.
The ‘Political Press’ has a problem, it has become fixated on the slightest negative aspect(s) of Officials and amplifies them to enormous proportions (the Reports are Out-of-Proportion – Distorted).
Their Journalism needs ‘Therapy’. That might be a problem as most Therapist are Left-wingers.
Hold Jeff Bezos accountable for Yellow Press.
A.I.: (Bezos Washington Post)
Jeff Bezos, founder of Amazon, purchased
The Washington Post in 2013 for $250 million. Since the acquisition, he has been involved in the newspaper’s operations, notably by making significant changes to the opinion pages in 2025. These changes involve prioritizing editorials that support personal liberties and free markets, a decision that has prompted numerous subscription cancellations and staff resignations.
“ The Congress is moving forward with investigations, and that is a good thing”. This is not a good thing, it’s a waste of their time if the story was debunked. And around we go.
Notably, Professor Turley never links to the story that supposedly “debunks” the claims about Hegseth.
“The Post appears to have had only one source making the specific claim about Hegseth but ran with the story.”
It’s clear he’s peddling nonsense. When Professor Turley starts throwing around words like “appears,” “reportedly,” and “may,” he’s just couching the issue in suspect terms. It’s obvious he’s just joining the effort to run interference for Hegseth, a former colleague at Fox News.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Hegseth called in a few favors at Fox News to help suppress the escalating scandal. Turley might be contractually obliged to write a defense or plant doubts for gullible MAGA readers eager to dismiss any war crimes committed by the Trump administration.
Notably, Professor Turley never links to the story that supposedly “debunks” the claims about Hegseth.
Notably, as always, George X shows up to swiftly throw around lies in another one of his orgies of throwing shit at his host Professor Turley. Maybe it will stick this time!
Is it a sexual perversion of yours Geroge X, for you to do the exact same thing every day? Turley is always wrong and you are always right?
You have not just a lack of credibility, you also lack even a shred of being something like a normal human being. An army of psychiatrists couldn’t fix you.
Turley doesn’t have the respect for his own faithful readers to be objective in his analysis of events. Otherwise, he’d lose his readership and its revenue stream. It’s honestly the biggest insult he can hurl – “Dear reader, I think so little of you that I’m going to continue to feed you this biased slop.”
Turley doesn’t have the respect for his own faithful readers to be objective in his analysis of events.
The Democrats’ Marxist Useless Idiot apparatchiks have so little respect for the readers here that they believe those readers give them some credibility and will believe any Democrat bullSchiff they throw at both them and Professor Turley.
Big fail there. You the best the Democrat Borg has to send here these days?
Or you just trying out for a job?
This is what… Media-Democrat Propaganda Complex breaking news! Russia Dossier version 27, 28… how many times have we seen this before?
And they keep trying it because they never face sanctions and it often works to some extent. They won’t get Hegseth with this one, but the lie General Flynn was discussing removing sanctions was wildly successful. Transcripts later showed that the FBI and prosecutors perjured themselves, but it worked to convict Flynn not them.
They want Hegseth jailed on their lies. Pity that we can’t jail the liars when they’re exposed.
Wow, Professor Turley is joining Fox News in its all-out defense of Pete Hegseth because of one alleged story that “debunked” the current narrative. Sorry, Professor, but having a healthy dose of skepticism, the White House, Hegseth, the President, and Fox News have been changing their story multiple times and making all kinds of ridiculous excuses. Your article doesn’t pass the smell test.
The multiple excuses from Hegseth, including the latest one blaming the “fog of war,” are hysterical given that he was in a room, probably sipping on “coffee,” and intensely focused on the action happening in real time. It’s preposterous that Hegseth “had to leave for a more important meeting” after the first strike and not knowing about he survivors.
They have already confessed to killing the survivors, with Hegseth and Trump both shifting blame by blaming the commander who issued the order. It’s well-known that Hegseth disregards the rules of engagement and demonstrates a clear tendency toward extreme prejudice. The furious pushback from Hegseth and the White House only serves to reinforce their appearance of guilt.
Professor Turley cannot have forgotten that Hegseth faced serious trouble for discussing ongoing military plans on Signal. He has been openly vocal about his views on how the military should operate, and this scandal clearly demonstrates that he was fully aware of his intentions when the survivors were killed.
Wow, Professor Turley is joining Fox News in its all-out defense of Pete Hegseth
Wow, George X came here from the Washington Post to defend them with another attack on Profesor Turley because he pointed out the WaPoo’s lies about Hegseth were exposed.
George X cannot have forgotten he has never had credibility here and the only remaining question is what kind of satisfaction he gets from posting lies here?
This clearly shows that George X believes he can appeal to those with slow minds and lower standards and drag them down with him to lower levels yet.
To the contrary, Turley is the one that has no respect for his readers, otherwise he’d tell the whole story of the boat strikes. How a 37 year veteran resigned his post in SOUTHCOM because he knew what Hegseth was up to was illegal, how Hegseth first fired all the JAGs who would have pushed back on his actions in the Caribbean, how his story has changed from, “Hey look at this boat I blew up” to “I didn’t blow up anything” to “I didn’t see anything blown up” to “This admiral gave the command and it was legal.” At the very least – this is Hegseth’s engagement. The buck stops with him and Trump. The very fact they are throwing Bradley under the bus shows what absolute cowards they are. But I’m pretty sure Pete’s mom already told the world of what a coward he was in that letter she wrote to him.
To the contrary, Turley is the one that has no respect for his readers, otherwise he’d tell the whole story of the boat strikes.
You can be contrary (as you always are) but you’re also a Biden Democrat commie apparatchik liar. Which again, you also always are.
Gaslighting
Gaslighting is the intended psychological manipulation by a low-IQ perpetrator of those they hope to victimize through intentionally misleading that person or persons. This involves the perpetrator lying, denying events, and other methods used in the hope their intended victims doubt their perceptions of reality, memories, and feel overly emotional or irrational.
Whether it is gaslighting, propaganda or a PSYOP, the ‘seditious six’ are being called out for crossing the line in which blowing up cocaine boats is easily incorporated with another failing effort to say that President Trump is guilty of war crimes.