It appears that nothing says “saving Democracy” like a good old-fashioned military coup. A new survey from the Center for Strategic Politics found that 59 percent of Democrats would favor a military coup to remove President Donald Trump from office. All it took was four years out of power for these Democratic voters to embrace a coup d’état to negate the results of the last election. What is particularly chilling is that many of these voters still portray themselves as defending democracy by calling for a military takeover. It is akin to supporting drive-by shootings to combat gun violence. That is not the only shocker in this survey.According to the Center, roughly six in 10 (59%) Democrats polled said they would feel “very positive” or “somewhat positive” if the US military removed Trump and seized control of the American government.
The vast majority, of course, would be happy if Trump were impeached and removed from office (87%) or ousted by his cabinet via the 25th Amendment (84%).
The survey also shows the same overwhelming support for socialism in the new Democratic Party. What is surprising is the support for public ownership of industries. That includes almost half (46%) supporting public ownership and operation of grocery stores. Almost 40 percent support public ownership and operation of restaurants. (39%).
I have previously said that I do not recognize the current Democratic Party as someone raised in a politically active and liberal Democratic family. I first became estranged from the party over the radical shift from a pro-free speech party to one that supported censorship and speech curtailment.
Despite many who claim that the Democratic Socialists represent a small fraction of the party, these polls show a consistent and growing majority in support of socialism.
The addition of support for a military coup shows the manifestation of a rage addiction in America. Democratic leaders are now calling for trashing core constitutional institutions or values. When some of us criticized moves to pack the Supreme Court, leaders like Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom accused us of engaging in mere “nostalgia.”
It is the same “nostalgia” that leaves many of us shocked at the support for a military coup. On our 250th anniversary, we face yet again Benjamin Franklin’s warning that this is a Republic if we can keep it.
Jonathan Turley is a law professor who teaches a class on the Constitution and the Supreme Court and is the best-selling author of “Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.”
Once again, the good professor is just pointing out how what was once a fringe idea, an idea that would of been consider absurd ten, twenty years ago, is gaining popularity in the Democrat party.
And the trolls come out in force in attempts to defect from the topic.
Thing is, this is not just some one off. The good professor has been pointing out the stupid and crazy as Bill Maher has too, for years. It is no longer just some small fringe group. The socialism mind think is gaining popularity. And the means by which they could accomplish socialism in America, is also gaining popularity. We hear them say it. We are hearing even establishment Democrats starting to “consider” it or some other mealy mouth acquiescent to appease this mob.
And now a poll shows a degree of Democrats would support various ways to remove Trump because . . . feelings.
Be careful where this goes Dems. You just might get everything you deserve.
Upstatefarmer, the “trolls” are pointing out how Turley is mischaracterizing the poll to rage-bait MAGA ingoramuses.
There’s a reason why he didn’t link to the poll. Because it does not show what Turley claims it does. He’s relying on MAGA laziness and gullibility to spread some rage against Democrats. Right after an article bearing criticism of Trump. He needs to balance it out so the MAGA rage remains focused on Democrats. Crazy stuff.
There are no MAGA rage.
Just the troll rage.
Trolls rage.
Trolls deflect.
Trolls say lots of nothing.
OK, so YOU post it.
Trolls point out nothing.
Trolls say nothing.
Trolls are useless.
Rather than play stupid games and pretend that the polls are “mischaracterrized” – your favorite word play for – make democrats look bad.
How Would YOU answer those questions.
Would you be happy if Trump was impeached and removed from office tomorow ?
If He was removed via the 25th amendment ?
If he was removed via a military coup ?
If he died of natural causes ?
If he was assassinated ?
Can you honestly say that all of those would not make you ecstatic ?
Why is it MAGA rage baiting to paint YOU as you are ?
I have no idea what the outcome of the upcoming elections will be.
The polls are nearly always off by about 3pts in favor of democrats, BUT this could be the one time they are right, though I doubt it. Much depends on who shows up to vote, and the party in power rarely shows up for mid terms.
It is always easier to enrage those out of power than to get those happy with the status quo to vote.
That is one of many reasons that democracy is a very bad idea – if favors enraged minorities.
But I have zero doubt that whatever power Democrats have in the next term they will use it stupidly.
Fortunately I am not concerned about the upcoming election.
If Democrats do better than predicted – they will still be unable to do more than rant and rave.
And that will not play well for 2028.
John Say,
“I will gladly answer your questions, because your list actually proves how broken your logic is and show you have the same reading comprehension problem every one else here has regarding the poll questions.
Impeached/25th Amendment/Natural causes: Yes, I would support legal, constitutional, or natural transitions of power because Donald Trump’s policies and rhetoric are fundamentally destructive to this country.
Military coup / Assassination: Absolutely not. Unlike you, I actually believe in our system of government. But the question in the poll, the one Turley deliberately mischaracterizes is about the military engaging in a coup if they were doing it to defend the constitution which they swore to protect, would be acceptable even for republicans.
The real kicker in your comment is your big admission: ‘That is one of many reasons that democracy is a very bad idea.’You are accusing me of wanting to overthrow the country, while you are the one explicitly writing that democracy itself is a ‘very bad idea.’ You aren’t defending the Constitution; you’re just mad that a majority of the country doesn’t agree with your politics.
Read the rest of the sentence. The generals removed President Donald Trump from power and assumed control of the United States. That’s not defending the Constitution. That’s replacing it. Liberal Currents, the outlet that sposored the poll, called it a military coup in its own analysis.
And there’s no even for Republicans. The poll surveyed 683 Democrats. Nobody else was asked.
Which is the real problem.
Put safeguard the Constitution in front of a junta and 59% feel good about it. Every strongman in history has used that exact line.
Olly, look up methodological priming
“If you woke up tomorrow morning and saw the following news headlines, how would you feel?”
“To ‘safeguard the Constitution’, a group of U.S. military leaders have removed President Donald Trump from power and assumed control of the United States.”
43% answered “very positive” and 16% answered “somewhat positive,” combining for the 59% total. More accurately less than half were very positive about that scenario.
The pollsters did not ask a neutral policy question like, “Do you support the military overthrowing the government?” Instead, they embedded the noble motive (“to safeguard the Constitution”) right into the imaginary headline, inducing a positive reaction based on the idea of protecting the law rather than destroying it.
The fact that 59% of respondents had a positive reaction to that specific, heavily primed phrasing doesn’t mean they want a dictatorship. It means they fell for a trick question that framed the military as the defenders of the law.When the exact same 683 Democrats were asked about clear, unprimed constitutional options, 87% chose legal impeachment and 84% chose the 25th Amendment.
If they were truly radical anti-constitutionalists, those numbers wouldn’t be vastly higher than the coup percentage. The poll did not capture a genuine political movement; it captured how easily people can be manipulated by loaded language. Turley and Liberal Currents used a biased, hyper-specific sample size of just Democrats to engineer a shocking headline, and you are treating it like a flawless data science masterpiece.
You can say they were formed by a manipulative question.
Olly, look up how our pal Georgie/X learned a new phrase today, “methodological priming,” lifted off Google AI, and wants you to think he knows what he is talking about. He completely ignores that the polling field was all Democrats.
LOL!!! You do know that you can learn new things when you research, right? It’s way more than what you would do. Plus…it’s not wrong. I was not ignoring anything. You silly goose.
GSX, we are a republic, not a direct democracy, though we use democratic means.
S. Meyer, A constitutional republic is a democracy—specifically, a representative democracy.
We directly elect our representatives thru direct democracy.
X
There is no point in arguing with Meyer or any of the other MAGA morons here about the meaning of the words “republic” and “democracy”.
In the magical wonderland of fantasy that is the MAGAverse, words have no fixed meaning.
Words have fluid meanings that constantly change, depending on whatever absurd point they are trying to make.
“Words have fluid meanings that constantly change, depending on whatever absurd point they are trying to make.”
We will try to remember that, whenever you and georgieX speak here, thanks for reminding us.
You rely upon fluid meanings to prove yourself more stupid than anyone else.
S. Meyer, that made no sense.
Of course it made no sense!!!
Nothing Meyer says ever makes sense.
If Meyer says something, by definition it will make no sense.
Sense is something that completely eludes this poor, brainwashed, hallucinatory idiot.
“Nothing Meyer says ever makes sense.”
But Anonymous can’t even provide an example. Why? Because he is a Stupid troll and knows it.
Unless you were using an anonymous name, it would not make sense to you. That comment was directed toward an anonymous person, not you.
GSX, as long as I know you, through all your names, you make the same mistakes repeatedly. You don’t have to. You have recently shown that you have the ability to learn. You need not follow in the footsteps of the pinhead below. He believes everything is fluid, whether words or facts, but that only leads you down.
1) One can have a constitutional republic that isn’t a democracy.
2) You are confused about what a direct democracy is.
3)You are confusing direct democracy with directly electing representatives.
Blah, blah, blah.
Gibber, gibber, gibber.
Jabber, jabber, jabber.
Babble, babble, babble.
Burble, burble, burble.
Your comment is meaningless gibberish about things of which you have absolutely no knowledge, using words of which you do not understand the meaning, in ways that are completely absurd, and that are completely unintelligible to any rational and intelligent person.
You simply trot out words that you fail to understand, and use them in ways that are completely inconsistent with any agreed upon definition outside of the magical wonderland of fantasy that you inhabit.
You are are low functioning moron trapped in a cult that has brainwashed you into believing that words can be manipulated to mean whatever you want them to mean.
Once again, this sounds like Sigmund the Fraud. No facts, nothing of interest; boring. The only thing the Fraud can do is run away, showing the cowardly streak in his back.
Final Grade: Pigeon Poop, Cowardly Creep, and Boring Buffoon
Again, Sigmund the Fraud has run away. He recognizes that he has no intellect to be proud of, so he retreats to his hit-and-run tactic, desperately trying to prevent anyone from discovering that he has no ideas of his own and can only survive on his empty rhetoric.
A. Meyer,
No, you cannot have a modern constitutional republic that isn’t a democracy. By definition, a republic is a form of government where power rests with the people and their elected representatives. If those representatives are chosen through popular voting, it is, by definition, a representative democracy. They are two sides of the same coin, not mutually exclusive systems.
I am not confused about direct democracy at all. A direct democracy is a system where citizens vote directly on laws and policies themselves (like ancient Athens or modern Swiss referendums) rather than electing representatives to do it for them. I never claimed the U.S. was a direct democracy.
GSX, I think you are having a problem. The first thing you did was add the word modern, probably from an AI response. Why did you do that and move the goalposts? Why can’t there be a ”modern constitutional republic that isn’t a democracy?” There can, though I don’t know if there is one. You seem to create new meanings for all words, constantly changing them within a post and other posts. Republic and democracy describe different things. “Republic” does not, by definition, mean “democracy.” I think you should define the terms if they do not employ standard historical definitions.
You write: “I am not confused about direct democracy at all. A direct democracy is a system where citizens vote directly on laws and policies themselves.”
But previously you wrote:
“We directly elect our representatives thru direct democracy.”
We are not a direct democracy; we are a republic that uses democratic means. When using AI, you have to fully understand what you are being told. If you don’t, you make terrible errors like this one.
You wrote: ” I never claimed the U.S. was a direct democracy.”
You may not have claimed that the U.S. is a direct democracy, but your earlier statement, “We directly elect our representatives thru direct democracy,” is exactly the mistake I was pointing out.
You either refuse to recognize your mistakes or are copy-pasting too much instead of learning what AI says. That is OK. Hopefully you will stop making that type of mistake.
I want you to know I appreciate that you are learning through AI and am not criticizing you for it, but maybe you ought to spend a bit more time parsing the words you say.
X -= there are myriads of reasons for MAGA to be quietly enraged at the left.
All this poll does is show what idiots you are.
Recent news items:
No kings – fizzled and not grass roots, bought and paid for by left wing billionaires and the CCP.
I though the left hated billionaires and their money ?
I thought the left thought foreign interference in US politics was one of the most vile possible crimes ?
ICE Protests ? Pretty much fizzled too. Also paid for by the same left wing billionaires and the CCP.
The Social Media “affordability” campaign ?
Again paid for by left wing billionaires and the CCP.
And on and on.
You left wing nuts certainly are deep in the pockets of left wing billionaires and the CCP.
That is except when you are getting money from Putin and Russia.
Again I though these were all things you hated ?
Several of these revalations came from ….. New Your Times.
We even have an absolutely hillarious story about left wing nuts verbally pummelling to death the owners and operators of a Trans Bar in New England for the crime of Not requiring N95 masks ONE DAY A WEEK.
The bar is going bankrupt and looking to attack more customers so it can stay opened.
But left wing nuts are so insane they would rather the owners – 3 trans people, who are providing a venue, go bankrupt and see the venue die than allow unmasked people ONE NIGHT A WEEK in 2026.
If you are wearing a mask in 2026 and you are not immuno compromised you are wearing a giant face diaper that says MORON.
And I absolutely 100% completely encourage you to do exactly that so we all know who the morons are.
Regardless there ios PLENTY in the media to reinforce MAGA views that those of you on the left are completely insane.
This is just the example Turley picked today.
He skipped dozens of others.
He will have to skip dozens of other examples tomorow too.
John Say,
You just wrote a giant wall of text proving that your entire worldview is curated by an outrage algorithm.
You are using a localized online fight over an optional mask night at the Last Ditch Bar in Greenfield, MA, to claim that millions of Democrats are ‘insane’. That is a micro-drama involving a handful of people in a town of 17,000. The fact that you are treating it like a national crisis shows exactly how hooked you are on rage-bait.
As for your rants about Neville Roy Singham and CCP dark money—yes, foreign interference and billionaire influence are corrupting. Mainstream voters on the left routinely push to overturn Citizens United and get dark money out of politics entirely. If you think elite-funded activist groups dictate the beliefs of regular voters, you are completely out of touch. Turley feeds you these hyper-specific, fringe examples every day because keeping you ‘quietly enraged’ is highly profitable for him.
Here is the link: https://x.com/StratPolitics/status/2102089028719853936
You have to scroll down a bit in the thread to find it. All of the polls are interesting.
Only ones gullible are DEMs who don’t realize what a scorpion they are carrying on their backs the DSA is…
Allen K Stewart,
This has to be the biggest self-own in the history of this blog. You literally provided the link that proves you are wrong.
You’re ranting about the DSA, but the official crosstabs and thread you just shared explicitly show that mainstream establishment figures like Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and Pete Buttigieg dominate the party. Far-left figures have virtually no mainstream traction, to the point where 72% of Democrats don’t even recognize the biggest socialist names on the internet.
You are so conditioned by Jonathan Turley’s rage-bait articles that you didn’t even bother to verify the data in your own URL. The only ‘gullible’ person here is the one who posted a link that completely debunks their own comment.
And yet Progressives say that Republicans are a “threat to Democracy”. Military coups are the essence of a threat to Democracy.
Meanwhile, Trump continues to build concentration camps and turn over control of the government to Peter Thiel to build a vast network to spy on all Americans.
The dumbocrats have been in fantasizing mode for some time now, but the Military “on their side”?
This poll just proves 60 percent of Democrats are Anti-American and don’t care about our democratic voting system that elected Trump.
FBI agent Fox Mulder is on to something. Is it the midget? Or someone carrying other peoples deformities? As always, don’t speak to anyone without a lawyer.
Yesterday, while greeting Xi Jinping, Trump visibly winced and grimaced as two B-1 bombers flew overhead during the playing of the National Anthem. Trump was saluting as the anthem played, but as the bombers flew overhead he visibly grimaced, clenched his teeth, and turned to look up at the planes while shaking his head. Xi stood motionless, without reaction.
Trump appeared to be very uncomfortable with the noise from the bombers.
Hyperacusis is an abnormal reaction to noises, where the individual feels unusual pain and discomfort when confronted with noises that do not bother other people. Xi and others in the greeting party were unmoved by the noise.
Hyperacusis is one of the most common symptoms of dementia, particularly frontotemporal dementia.
Google this: hyperacusis in dementia
Says the demented ANON!!
Your post is one of the common symptoms of TDS. just sayin.
You’re a freaking moron.
Call us when he forgets where he’s at or blurts out “my butt is wiped”, as that is the new standard for dementia.
Anony at 1:32 A layman like you who pretends to mind-read others and establish a motive behind their movements or physical reaction to things is usually associated with personality disorders like yours. Add that to political motivation of yours, and we have something going beyond neurosis and approaching psychosis.
This sounds like you:
“Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is particularly associated with difficulties in mind-reading, as individuals with BPD often struggle to gauge the emotions and mental states of others due to emotional dysregulation. Additionally, paranoid personality disorder may involve distorted perceptions that lead individuals to assume negative intentions from others, which can also be seen as a form of mind-reading.
Psychology Today/ Cleveland Clinic
That is the ultimate reached-for straw! You are truly a demented moron…
A furtherance of the Obama Coup D’etat in America.
Ah PAR FOR THE COMMUNISTS (oops, I mean our new wave Socialists – aka Democraps) who always take the least common denominator as their preferred direction in life! Guaranteed to satisfy when the Military Junta takes over like the historical shining stars in Latin America and Southeast Asia that disappeared people, locked up or executed political opposition, and imposed their freedom loving will on society! I-D-I-O-T-S but what else could we expect from low IQ students of modern history taught by their New Wave, Blue Hair, Nose Ring Teachers!
Never underestimate the ignorance of most people. If they read any history at all, they would know that Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. Socialism really is for the lazy, who expect everything given to them gratis.
Trump is respectful to Mamdani because the mayor could issue an arrest warrant against Trump.
For what?? DUMB!
Well Trump could issue an arrest warrant against Mamdani. Nyah!
As usual, the Democrats, even the decent ones, are genuinely Lenin’s pet humans, the useful idiots. A military takeover would lead immediately to civil war and given the nature of modern warfare which we are witnessing in the Ukraine and elsewhere combined with the complexity and vulnerability of modern systems in America, civil war would result in many millions of dead Americans, not just in combat but also from starvation and exposure to the unchecked elements (Electricity would vanish in an instant as the clever Democratic scum sabotaged it.), Democrats included. And if there was anything left after a civil war, the Russians, Chinese, etc. would fall on whoever remained and destroy them. Left wing ideology really is poison for the mind. It stops those who embrace it from being capable of drawing the most obvious of conclusions and does render them open and highly suggestible to vicious tyrannical nonsense.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. There is still the wisdom of The man for all seasons, Sir Thomas More:
William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!
For whatever reason, the Prof does not link to this poll. The Center for Strategic Politics is a self-described progressive think tank that does conduct polls, but does not have this one on their website. I have what I think is a healthy skepticism for something I can’t verify for myself. So, at this point I can’t disprove our fave socialists claim that this poll is a lie. I assume the Prof did not simply make this poll up out of whole cloth, but until I can find it independently I can’t be sure the Prof hasn’t been hoaxed.
It’s in the thread:
https://x.com/StratPolitics/status/2102089028719853936
JT, how do we quell rage? I’m not convinced that “free speech” extravagantly defined to include all shades of incivility is helping — having lived through the pre-internet USA, I remember a nation better at dealing constructively with conflict when editors and radio-TV producers filtered out the rage rhetoric, and gave airtime to voices that were 1) educated, 2) well-meaning, and 3) open-minded.
Mr. Zuckerburg and Mr. Dorsey “disrupted” a national communication infrastructure that possessed BOTH free expression and non-militancy. It was so much better. It’s somewhat shocking that a majority of Dems favor a military coup — but this is the result of giving unhinged zealotry a mic and amplifier.
pbinca,
To a degree, I agree with you.
At the same time, I would also say we as a nation are failing at what OLLY calls formation of citizens.
I am in college and these young people, from what I have seen, have no clue as to what is going on in the world. And what they do know is from sound bites or what gets posted on their Facebook page and a lot of that is crap.
On the other hand, I also know more than a few older people whom I think should know better who do the same.
Upstate, what you’re seeing in class isn’t a lack of formation. Everyone is formed for something. Those students were formed, just by feeds and sound bites instead of families, neighborhoods, and churches.
I’ve spent years cataloging philosophers, statesmen, and authors across 2,500 years who wrote about the importance of formation. Our problem isn’t unique to this era or this country.
Our Constitution was written by and for a generation formed for this kind of government. I identified 12 axes of formation that generation demonstrated, then tracked them across 14 eras to today. The drift is measurable.
Design a government suited to our citizens’ formation today and you’d get an administrative oligarchy. Minus the pesky constitutional barriers.
Seven Days in May posits a coup by conservative generals and Pentagon staff. Naw. A real coup will come from the left and Democrats.
This poll needs to have wider circulation.
This pool should be run on every channel in rotation 24/7 so rational people understand that their brothers who once belonged to “the working man’s party” now find themselves associated with destroying the constitutional roots of America itself, and by association promoting the dissolution of America into warring tribes fighting for the scraps.
In a bombshell ruling, a federal judge ordered the Kennedy name removed from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. “immediately.”
“Henceforth, the former Mr. Kennedy will be known as Robert Francis Trump,” the judge ruled. “Since Donald J. Trump has long wanted to put his name on something named Kennedy, this seems like the perfect resolution.”
In a dramatic unveiling in court, the judge ordered a tarp removed from the former Kennedy, who now had the word TRUMP tattooed on his forehead.
The renaming of the former Mr. Kennedy drew the unanimous approval of the Kennedy family, who said in an official statement, “Finally, our nightmare is over.”
It appears that the Kennedy family has gone to the Dark side declared me a Republican who cheered for having JFK in office at another time of dire need!
First this poll is a lie. Totally false.
Every official, including MAGA officials swear supreme loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.
That’s the only coup happening here! MAGA officials betraying their own Oath of Office and subverting America’s system of government.
60% of Democrats do NOT support subverting the American Oath of Office!
We Democrats do support subverting the US Constitution and America in general. Nothing wrong with that!
Testimony to the epidemic of mass stupidity and ignorance of the American sheeple. Proctologists should be very busy finding democrats’ heads.
It’s their poll?
Not any more.
You are a relic meant to be swept aside.
#. Please don’t feed the trolls. You only wake them up.
Adieu
PS. these are just mental puzzles for me. Thanks
So much for 2A, as a reminder Lee and Sherman were outgunned, too, as Lincoln slaughtered the South, burned it down and took the land. The South fought valiantly for freedom. Lincoln is hated to this day by many not for freeing the slaves but for breaking an agreement.
Fighting to preserve chattal slavery = “fighting valiantly for freedom”. Whose freedom? Words don’t have objective meanings in the mind of the ideological zealot.
#. You bought the accepted rendition. You’re young and ill educated, most likely on drugs and violent, anon?
Viewpoint
So one might wonder what the Democrats will think when Donald Trump heads a military coup, suspends Congress and the Supreme Court and declares martial law throughout the land. There will be great impetus by his authority to greatly clean up and restore law and order new elections will be held for Congress and no incumbents will be allowed to run for office
Donald Trump should!
Absurd. Were he to try to pull off a coup, the military and law enforcement will adhere to their Oath to the Constitution, and refuse orders from the ignoramus-in-chief.
If the US military were to turn on Democrat voters and Democrat politicians, much like Hamas shoots their own people, what would the Dims say then? Happily, the US military will not do anything of the kind because they are not Hamas.
Palestinian reports say Hamas executed six Gazans in Rafah accused of spying for Israel, shot 17 people in the feet for raising prices
Hamas has regularly issued death sentences for people it says were found guilty of “collaboration” with Israel, executing dozens of Palestinians in recent years.
Under Palestinian law, a death sentence requires the approval of the president of the Palestinian Authority which is headquartered in the West Bank, but Hamas ignores this.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/video-appears-to-show-hamas-executing-several-alleged-collaborators-in-gaza/
Islam in general is centered on giving up one’s life by killing non believers so you can claim your 72 virgins in the afterlife. Truly the religion of kind, introspective people.