While some commentators have rushed to suggest that the puppy shown in this video was either dead or stuffed, the accused Marine has reportedly posted an apology. David Motari has been named as the Marine in the video, though the Marines are still investigating. In what is purported to be a posting from him below, he blames the stress of combat.
In his alleged apology, Modari says that in combat people “develope [sic] a different sence [sic] of humor than what others are used to.” He say that he is “sorry about the dog.” He also complains about people bothering his family and his girlfriend.
For the statement, click here
Yet, in this video of the incident, a strikingly different individual is shown.
There is still no confirmation that this is indeed a genuine apology from Motari. Notably missing in the statement is any support for the spin recently put on the video to claim everything from a dead puppy to a suspected IED, click here
Even if there is no confirmed apology, one would have expected someone to come forward to make that stuffed or deceased dog claim given the torrent of controversy. Some advocates seem to be struggling to find a way to blame a liberal media for the controversy and have made criticizing this Marine into an attack on all Marine. Obviously, the outrage is due not only to the horrible attack but that this is not indicative of our service members. Indeed, the Marines seem pretty ticked about this whole episode and they will likely prove the harshest judges of all.
It is certainly wrong that people are harassing his family and girlfriend. That is a uniquely stupid act — not unlike throwing a puppy over a cliff. While combat fatigue may be a defense (or mitigating factor) in a possible criminal charge , click here, it should not alter the fact that this Marine does not appear capable of maintaining proper discipline and conduct in a combat area. It may be sufficient for Motari to simply agree to a less than honorable discharge as the proper punishment for this monstrous act. What he lost (in what this posting suggests is a momentary loss of humanity) should be the honor to wear the uniform of the United States Marines. It is a hard punishment for a young Marine, but it could be worse: he could be thrown over a rocky cliff.
An apology isn’t going to stop the Internet Lynch Mob.
They are on a mission to destroy him since he is a flawed human being and then proceed to make his entire family live in hell for the rest of their lives.
He’s only “sorry” about the video: http://www.albertastars.com/userphotos/1233_3238_R.JPG
“What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me?”
Ahm, might have played better in the news than “Marine Throws Puppy Off a Cliff”.
“I was being “creative” that day and decided to throw the dog instead”
Ahm, photography, drawing and writing about your experiences is creative. Throwing a puppy off a cliff, filming it and posting the video to You Tube is something else entirely. But I suspect you know that now.
“Sorry if you can’t understand that”
See, I’m not sorry that I can’t “understand that”. That’s what makes me human and you a sadistic idiot who managed, in 24 hours, to turn the entire world against you, and a good chunk of those same people against the US Military.
And I’m sorry that you can’t understand that.
Get a straight jacket along with your pipe turley
Moonbat rising: Admit it, you & the other one percenters in America hate our sons & daughters in the military anyway and this is just another excuse for you to badmouth them.
As far as J. Turley, he needs to get a pipe so when he goes on the little watched MSNBC as a liberal hired gun he can look more intellectual. Just as those in the mid thirties smoked their pipes and told America on the radios that Hitler was not a danger to world order and was contained anyway.
Turely, I don’t know how you sleep at night. Your monologues are just left wing spin for the mindless few that watch MSNBC.
Jodee Blanco has written an important book on bullying entitled: Please Don’t Laugh At Us. When she was young, a group of bullies nearly killed her after she defended a boy with a learning disorder from this same group of bullies. The ring leader was given suspension. He came back to school about 10 pounds lighter. It was later that she learned this boy’s father had lost his job. Their family had six kids and he literally had had little or no food for quite some time.
Jodee believes our system of punishment is severly out of wack. She wishes that the principal had sat down with this boy and said: What’s wrong son? She thinks he should have had to work with children who have developmental disabilities so he would come to know who they were. Why? To teach empathy. We don’t value empathy enough in this society and she believes it is one of the most precious qualities humans are capable of displaying.
Our soldiers are killing dogs, children, women and men. We need to know this because we need to stop it. Our young people are subjected to intolerable cruelty, to a level of insanity that mutilates their spirit. We need to get them out of there, right now. We owe them empathy. We owe them better leadership and when punishment is called for, we should have punishments that have some chance of making the person a better human being than they were before.
Hey Janet – so 99% of Americans are *for* throwing puppies over a cliff? Who knew. And if that is the case, then I’m proud to say that this “one percenter” remains firmly against puppy abuse.
As far as the rest of your screed (something about a pipe and Hitler or something) I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Nor, I expect, does anyone else.
Janet,
Why don’t you weigh in again, but this time with some arguments.
Ne vile fano: bring nothing base to the shrine!
I for one would like to hear your arguments….and not just anti-MSNBC invective.
By the way, Professor Turley really is a good man, knows whereof he speaks, and is respected by a lot of people including, I imagine, some of the people you may listen to regularly on Fox.
Can you say the same for yourself, and if not, does this posting behavior of yours get you there?
Small steps, complete long journeys. Present us, your real self, bright, intelligent, and fair.
Admit it, you & the other one percenters in America hate our sons & daughters in the military anyway and this is just another excuse for you to badmouth them and threaten and harass their family.
Check out the internet lynching mob Mark writes about in the first post. The people posting the threats sound sicker than any US Marine accused of mistreating a dog that may still prove to have already been dead.
The Other Obama
Michelle Obama and the politics of candor.
by Lauren Collins
March 10, 2008
…Obama begins with a broad assessment of life in America in 2008, and life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day,” she said, as heads bobbed in the pews. “Folks are just jammed up, and it’s gotten worse over my lifetime. And, doggone it, I’m young. Forty-four!”
From these bleak generalities, Obama moves into specific complaints. Used to be, she will say, that you could count on a decent education in the neighborhood. But now there are all these charter schools and magnet schools that you have to “finagle” to get into. (Obama herself attended a magnet school, but never mind.) Health care is out of reach (“Let me tell you, don’t get sick in America”), pensions are disappearing, college is too expensive, and even if you can figure out a way to go to college you won’t be able to recoup the cost of the degree in many of the professions for which you needed it in the first place. “You’re looking at a young couple that’s just a few years out of debt,” Obama said. “See, because, we went to those good schools, and we didn’t have trust funds. I’m still waiting for Barack’s trust fund. Especially after I heard that Dick Cheney was s’posed to be a relative or something. Give us something here!”
First Ladies have traditionally gravitated toward happy topics so it comes as a surprise that Obama’s speech is such an unrelenting downer.
Obama acknowledged to me that some advisers have lobbied her to take a sunnier tone, with little success. “For me,” she said, “you can talk about policies and plans and experience and all that. We usually get bogged down in that in a Presidential campaign, over the stuff that I think doesn’t matter. . . . I mean, I guess I could go into Barack’s policies and rattle them off. But that’s what he’s for.”
In Cheraw, Obama belittled the idea that the Clinton years were ones of opportunity and prosperity: “The life that I’m talking about that most people are living has gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl. . . . So if you want to pretend like there was some point over the last couple of decades when your lives were easy, I want to meet you!”
More: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/10/080310fa_…
Janet – I think your comment lost its way.
In case you’re confused, the title (and subject) of the thread is “David Motari Allegedly Apologizes for Throwing Puppy Over Cliff”.
Glad I could help.
Now people are outraged! WTF America?!
Yeah this is not behavior to be condoned of course, but all this outrage over a fckn puppy? Where’s the outrage over the thousands of dead and maimed Americans? The Thousands of Dead Iraqi Civilians? The sick War Profiteering? Oh no, don’t get outraged over that, instead lets all create a movement over a martyred puppy?
Just goes to show how the American public is so disconnected with whats happening around the world. Spare your tears over a puppy and how about shedding some for the countless people who have died needlessly in Iraq.
I got news for you people, a hell of a lot of worse acts are bing committed in Iraq. I’m a Marine Iraq vet and am vehemently against this war but c’mon, people are dying right now yet we’re outraged over this? Are you really that surprised that trained killers (thats why marines exist, to kill other people) have a sick sense of humor and often act on it? Wake up people, war is hell and I’m disgusted with America’s indifference to the reality of war.
Not what I had hoped for, but I am used to disappointments.
But I agree, any lynch mentality is pretty regrettable and I’m sure extreme things are being said; every abuse case riles up strong emotions. The soldier’s family is completely innocent, and the soldier himself is in an extreme environment that breeds a very strong black humor. Still one must control oneself when it comes to taking life and inflicting pain.
BTW, I am a vet and had my turn at defending everyone’s freedom as the poster John alluded to. Its just that not all vets, John and I are good examples like Americans as a whole, see things the same way.
And that’s reassuring actually.
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Ernie,
My comment was directed to Janet, not yours. Just so no misunderstanding.
But I agree with you alot. “Civilians” and “rear echelon (fill in the rest)” don’t understand the black humor that comes with the position of being in a crazy environment. Normal people do sick things, like posing corpses, adjusting dead hands to peace signs, and so forth. You may know whereof I speak. Not everyone acted out but the feeling was pretty universal. So the puppy thing is familiar to me, but I can’t blame people who don’t understand that environment for getting critical.
He needs to go to jail,that’s what he needs. Look at the Michael Vick case. Motari needs to go to jail for killing this puppy.
Calm yourself, ernie
Most of us here are very much aware and equally outraged at our politicians – who, among other things, got us into this so-called war OVER our objections AND, despite appearances, WITHOUT our full and knowing consent or permission.
We’re on your side.
Well said Patty C.
I’m off on family business; take care of yourselves, good posters! We’re all Americans in this infernal predicament together!
I’m suspicious of the myspace page. His was actually closed down. He’s married (it says single) and you can be sure he is not talking to anybody but his superiors right now.
I stumbled across this web site after googling the Marine’s name expecting to find the usual subjects bashing our soldiers – and I found them. So far the only people showing sanity here are those than understand the pressure our soldiers are under in any conflict and how that impacts them. The surrenderists want to yank them all home and give them a big hug while the thugs of the wordl continue their murder sprees. Others here think America is the thug and that is despicable.
What is surprising is Mr. Turley associates himself with such a bunch of left wing lunatics – oops, he is a LEFT WING LUNATIC!!
GOD BLESS THE US MARINES! each and every one of htem 1,000% better than anybody that has posted here including Turley the left whiner, excuse me, winger.
March 5, 2008
A Chavez/Obama Axis?
The government of Colombia says that when it conducted a raid into Ecuador to destroy a terrorist camp there, it seized a laptop that contained a number of communications to and from the “Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.” The communications are pretty interesting; among other things, they seem to connect Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez to the Communist rebel group. No surprise there.
Most intriguing to an American reader are the references to Barack Obama:
Writing two days before his death, Reyes [FARC's "foreign minister"] tells his comrades that “the gringos,” working through Ecuador’s government, are interested “in talking to us on various issues.”
“They say the new president of their country will be (Barack) Obama,” he writes, saying Obama rejects both the Bush administration’s free trade agreement with Colombia and the current military aid program.
Reyes writes that his response to the Americans was that the United States would have to publicly express these positions.
It would be nice if a reporter would ask Obama whether his staff has been engaging in diplomatic outreach to a Communist group bent on overthrowing a U.S. ally. Or–who knows?–maybe the “gringos” are from the CIA, conducting, as is their wont, their own foreign policy.
Lori: So it’s my country right or wrong eh? Let me give you an example and ask you how you would handle this situation, and no name calling is allowed in the answer. Your kid comes home with a real shiner on his eye. You ask him/her about it and he/she says another kid “hit me for no reason.” Unbeknownst to you and your kid, a surveillance video camera with crystal clear audio films the entire encounter and the tape is supported by the testimony of a group of 20 clergy of your choice. The tape unequivocally confirms that your kid started the fight for no reason at all and inflicted as much pain as he/she got. Still support your kid?
Janet: You don’t get to accuse those who disagree with you as being un-American or rooting for the enemy. That is the argument of the totalitarian as history has shown time and time again. Why do you think Johnson said “patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels?”
Mark:
An apology isn’t going to stop the Internet Lynch Mob. They are on a mission to destroy him since he is a flawed human being and then proceed to make his entire family live in hell for the rest of their lives.
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Oh PLEASE. It appears to me that Motari is only sorry that he was caught on camera, not to mention being extremely thin-skinned when it comes to taking well-deserved verbal criticism. Simply because he’s a marine doesn’t give him a pass to throw a puppy, whether alive OR dead off a cliff. Why do such a thing at all? If he couldn’t take the slightest form of criticism, then he should have acted in a more compassionate fashion than he actually did. He doesn’t deserve any sympathy from me, and he won’t get any.
Thanks, Mespo, Janet’s comment(s) seem to go way off the deep end here. I didn’t see anyone “harassing” Motari’s family at all, only verbally criticizing HIM, criticism which by his own callous action, he brought on himself.
Hi Susan, this is not to disagree with what you said but in a real sense everyone over there including the civilians and animals, earns our sympathy. Its one big JF.
But if he did it, it was a bad thing, and the UCMJ will cover it no doubt.
Focus Janet. Focus. Apology from the dude who threw the puppy in Iraq. Try to stay on topic – there will be a test at the end of the week.
Lori – because I don’t like the idea or throwing puppies off a cliff, I’m a “surrenderist”? Krikes – last week I was a defeatocrat for wanting better helmets.
Hard to keep up.
“Obama begins with a broad assessment of life in America in 2008, and life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day,” she said, as heads bobbed in the pews. “Folks are just jammed up, and it’s gotten worse over my lifetime. And, doggone it, I’m young. ”
I for one agree with Obama’s assesment, at least here in the DC area. People are so damn depressed and nasty. I went to the midwest recently to check out a law school there and I was shocked by the civility and friendliness shown by practically everyone there.
Regardless if he is sorry or not, he is screwed for life; or what little of it is left LOL. Someone is going to kill this David Matori trash. We will all here about it sometime in the near future and I for one will celebrate his death. I can only hope that someone video tapes it. This piece of trash is not a human being and should be punished until the day he dies. I will take great pleasure in the suffering of those that support him once someone kills him. I can only hope that they are able to torture him first. David Motari = walking dead man. Can’t wait to see it on the news. We all know it’s coming. I also hope the cameraman comits suicide once his buddy is dead.
“And this is the shit I have to put up with everywhere I’ve gone today. Believe me I’ve heard it all. The thing that you guys don’t understand is that you’re not out there.
What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we’re not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn’t medicine available for animals out there? So what the fuck do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.
Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn’t supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being “creative” that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If I could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can’t understand that.” David Motari
Let’s break dynamic Dave’s oh so sympathetic apology down, shall we:
“And this is the shit I have to put up with everywhere I’ve gone today.”
Not only will you be getting shit today, but you will be getting it for the rest of your life scumbag.
“The thing that you guys don’t understand is that you’re not out there.”
You are right we aren’t out there but thanx to that nutty little thing called the video camera you used to capture the act you so gleefuly executed and the internet, you have most graciously brought it to us all over the world.
“What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me.”
No I don’t think we could ask of you such a great burrden. However I don’t think people would like to see someone bind the paws of a helpless dog, have you and your buddy laugh about it as you killed it you studip idiot.
“Sorry you guys saw that, but it wans’t supposed to ever been shown.”
Well shucks, guhilk – guhilk, looks like it’s too late for that now buddy.
Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being “creative” that day and decided to throw the dog instead.”
So you decided to be “creative”. Wow this is what David Matori considers to be “creative”. Just imaging what kind of fun, “creative” adventures he will have for his children one. Hopefully there will never have to be a soul to exists as that piece of garbages son.
“If I could take it back, I would.”
No take backs stupids, too late now.
“Either way, I did the dog a favor.”
And someone should do you a favor and put you down, because other wise there are thousands of people on this planet ready to make your life a living hell.
“Sorry if you can’t understand that.”
Oh, boohoo, the victim card. What I understand is like I said in the post before, is that David Matori’s days are numbered. I will not be the one doing it but there are thousands and thousands of people outraged by this and at some point in time we will here of this scumbags demise. It will be well deserved.
==janet 1, March 5, 2008 at 7:54 pm
“Moonbat rising: Admit it, you & the other one percenters in America hate our sons & daughters in the military anyway and this is just another excuse for you to badmouth them.”
Is ‘Moonbat rising’ in favor of defrauding U.S. soldiers into early graves; or is it a problem with folks who toss puppies for kicks and those who defend them?
“As far as J. Turley, he needs to get a pipe so when he goes on the little watched MSNBC as a liberal hired gun …
“Turely, I don’t know how you sleep at night. Your monologues are just left wing spin for the mindless few that watch MSNBC.”
I can understand your frustration; especially when that ‘hired gun’ turns out to be as classy, precise & accurate as a pre-64 Winchester Model 70 while faux ‘conservatives’ like you show up armed with only a dull butter knife.
Must be hard for you watching seditious conspiracy to render the Constitution into a urinal puck vanish in a puff of logic.
Well, keep your chin up and treat yourself to another one of those American flag pins; seeing how you deem fealty to the Constitution as being so out of fashion these days.
The so-called confession should, as you have done, be taken with a huge grain of salt.
The scandal has attracted the usual cadre of griefers who, as in the Lori Drew case, delight in chain-yanking of folks following the story on the internet, and hacking or faking myspace accounts is a standard “lulz” stratagem.
The first version of the “confession” went like this (verbatim):
“fuck…
Category: Life
The Sergeant Major called me in today and it looks like they found out about the dog thing. I don’t know who it was who put it on fucking youtube, but man they are not happy… They were even talking about court martialing me, but they better not. It wouldn’t be fair because they didn’t court martial the last guy they caught fucking with a dog.
Shit, atleast i was humane about it. That guy from motor transport shot a dog in the stomach in front of the Major and everyone thought it was funny. I fuck up and it gets on TV and all of a sudden it’s wrong. This is some BS. POS media, always sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong”
Anyone boneheaded enough to be party to celebrating puppy-smashing- soldier-patrol on video as a demonstration of the lighter side of military service, could be stupid enough to post such a thing.
I sincerely doubt he did, and there is that griefer community I mentioned to account for it, they would find it a very good joke to stir the pot in such a way.
FWIW, the puppy toss itself, if audio software is to be believed,(and one discounts elaborate hoax overdubs of puppy cries as unlikely, as I do), shows the doppler effect some complain is missing, and in fact tracks perfectly with the puppy’s rotations.
If the puppy did cry, he did throw a live puppy, for the fun of it, and the stardom of it, at least among his film buddies.
For once and for all, the puppy-throwing video is REAL. Yep, David Motari, the brave soldier that threw a living, bound puppy to its death, admits it on MySpace.
Click below for a screen grab:
http://www.albertastars.com/userphotos/1233_3238_R.JPG
I completely agree with yatchi. Please don’t cry for the psychotic David Montari because he had too much stress. We don’t have a draft. He probably went to Iraq in the first place because he is a sadistic monster and killing pleases him. On top of that he’s getting paid. Iraq and Motari’s stress weren’t the poor dog’s fault. I don’t like to bring the campaign into this, but Michelle Obama has said two things I agree with: yes, this is becoming a very mean country and yes, things have gotten steadily worse for working people over the past 15 years.
Uh, people, this is the internet, you know? There is no way someone faked the myspace page? Considering it was put up AFTER the video aired, it looks pretty fishy. People are ACTUALLY threatening his family. Over a dog? Get a grip.
Radio shows are giving out all his personal info. Over a dog?
Over a dog?
Well, over an example of a soldier taking sadistic pleasure in cruetly against an animal for fun, yeah. Don’t flatter yourself that you have some special immunity to sentimentality. I think its generally accepted that somethimes animals must be destroyed, either for humane reasons or for the safety or even expedience of men.
But viciousness and sadism aren’t ever acceptable, even to defenseless animals, and the mocking pride about the cruelty nearly as bad. That kind of character defect is apalling in anyone but particularly men charged with using force decently.
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The “confession” is much more likely to be some crap griefer hoax, than a real post. I think that’s been pointed out ad nauseum.
Even the (now deleted, but posted verbatim above) post on the original blog is suspect and probably a hack.
That isn’t his “personal” info, BTW, its public information about his identity. When they start calling out his social security number and bank account numbers, I’ll get concerned.
If I here one more whiney pants punk @s$ talk about what the constant pressure of war is like, I’m going to explode. I have family that served in WWII and never once did I hear them complain. They fought without all the fancy shit we have today, came back changed…but not beaten and certainly not whiney. Many in our military today have forgotten or never learned to be men. For whatever reason, people like Motari have been raised in the PC world of today. I’d be willing to bet that he’s done other not so nice things in the past. Puppy throwing is not something a NORMAL person would do.
War is hard, war is not always good or right, but when you sign up for the military, what do you expect, tea and crumpets daily at 2:00.
I appreciate our military for doing what they believe is right and for being able to follow orders better than anyone on the planet. They are here to protect. AND Mortari is one of only a handful of bad seeds. But, those bad seeds should be thrown out like yesterdays trash. Today, however, we are too politically correct to punish the wrong doers. It’s so much easier to let the bully get away with it and punish the one being bullied.
AND, if the apology is real he’s only sorry because he got caught nor for his actions. The video shows just how little he cares. If the dog was dead or alive doesn’t even matter. It’s his attitude that is scary. “I threw a puppy, oh well, whatever.” Sick, just sick.
I have to repost this….
To those angered by the video:
Now people are outraged! WTF America?!
Yeah this is not behavior to be condoned of course, but all this outrage over a fckn puppy? Where’s the outrage over the thousands of dead and maimed Americans? The hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis? The sick War Profiteering? Oh no, don’t get outraged over that, instead lets all create a movement over a martyred puppy?
The dead iraqi children- are they’re deaths not worthy of the outrage seen in the youtube responses? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8p80q6GDsQ&feature=related
Just goes to show how the American public is so disconnected with whats happening around the world. Spare your tears over a puppy and how about shedding some for the countless people who have died needlessly in Iraq.
I got news for you people, a hell of a lot of worse acts are bing committed in Iraq. I’m a Marine Iraq vet and am VEHEMENTLY against this war but c’mon, people are dying right now yet we’re outraged over this? Are you really that surprised that trained killers (thats why marines exist, to kill other PEOPLE, its what we do) have a sick sense of humor and often act on it? Wake up people, there is no humanity in war, and I’m disgusted with America’s indifference to the reality of war. Hypocrites.
ernie: You’ve got it right. You can only be outraged at one thing at a time, and it has to be what outrages Ernie. Also it must involve great issues of the day as “little” outrages do not count. Finally, if you are outraged by “little” things, it necessarily implies that you are not outraged by big things, and you must never ever mention the”little” outrages as people like ernie assume the big things don’t bother you. Is that about right? I’ll just call it Ernie’s law of outrage.
“You can only be outraged at one thing at a time, and it has to be what outrages Ernie.”
yeah, for some odd reason dead Iraqi children bother me more then a cute little puppy being thrown off a cliff.
Comments like these… “AND Mortari is one of only a handful of bad seeds”…. show the disconnection of what actually happens in war and the fantasy world Americans live in where killers have a tender heart and wouldn’t hurt a puppy but we’ll sure blow the fck out people that don’t slow down fast enough. Soliders and Marines do cruel things in war, it ALWAYS happens, because war by definition is cruel, the problems are not with the “bad apples” but with those that send these kids to war.
ernie: Anybody with any sense is outraged by that and you know it. It’s like being against drunk driving, who is for it? The point is ythat ou can be outraged by both, but since we can only discuss one thing at a time, you don’t presume that’s all that bothers us because we happen to be talking about it now. As for war, I think its much like sports–it reveals character rather than makes character. Blanket statements like “Soliders and Marines do cruel things in war,” belies the fact that they do kind and humane things too. And you for one will not acknowledge this truth.
“As for war, I think its much like sports–it reveals character rather than makes character.”
you mean the character of violence and the killer mentality I/We pro actively instill in our marines? I would never deny that we do “kind and humane things,” of course we do. But we’ll kill you just as quickly. We go hand out candy and gifts to Iraqi children and then go out and kill people. Its what we do. He killed a puppy. So what?
Is America really that surprised that killers a capable of killing animals for shi*s and giggles? Welcome to the real world where even little cute puppies aren’t safe, who would’ve thought?
Ernie: I thank you for agreeing that we do humane things, but you must agree that in wartime, the killer mentality must be instilled otherwise, you fall into the wrong side of Patton’s famous comment on war that one must make the other soldier die for his country. We all know war is terrible, but it can be justified under certain circumstances as I am sure you would agree. What exactly is your beef with the military? I simply want them to behave as civilized men engaged in war, and not barbarians out for revenge and mayhem. In large measure they do behave in accord with the conventions of war, but there are exceptions as in this case. Most are not “killers” but soldiers charged with following orders. Some are enthusiastic and some are not but, by and large, most just want to come home in one piece.
“What exactly is your beef with the military?” huh? I don’t have a problem with the military, especially not my beloved Marine Corps. My problem is with the segment of America who can’t comprehend that in war, throwing a puppy of a cliff while cold-hearted and vicious, does not hold any significance to those of us who have committed or seen far worse acts.
You say, “I simply want them to behave as civilized men engaged in war.” What idealist world are you living in? We had orders to light up any vehicle approaching us that doesn’t stop quick enough, which occurred often, but no don’t you go be mean to that puppy because yeah thats what would be uncivilized and upset people. Now lets fire a couple HEAT rounds in that building and see who comes out.
It might be hard for you to believe but many times we just don’t give a sh*t because in war life is cheap, apparently sometimes cheaper than a puppies’.
Sgt. 1st Tanks USMC
Operation Enduring Freedom 2001-2002
Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003
Troops Home Now!
Earlier on, I suggested that ernie “calm” himself and reassured him that while we, bloggers, do indeed regularly express outrage.
However, it is not directed toward him, his unit, or any other military installation, per se, AND in terms of the recent and ongoing effort, we would like to represent that we are on HIS side – indubitably!
Ernie: With all due respect, if you, without first ascertaining hostile intent, “had orders to light up any vehicle approaching us that doesn’t stop quick enough, which occurred often,” and did so, you, your participating comrades, and your officers are classic war criminals. Your feelings about idealism notwithstanding. This is not opinion but simply legal fact, and your argument that “war is hell” didn’t sell at Nuremberg in 1945 and it won’t sell now. I hope it’s hyperbole, but if not, as a soldier you have a sworn obligation to report the officer who gave the order and to offer to cooperate in the investigation. That’s what you swore to do when you signed on, now let’s see how much your word is worth. If you need US Code citations or Geneva Convention protocols, I’ll get them for you! You’ll have to supply the conscience.
http://www.davidmotari.net
Everyone, mespo’s self-righteous comments are precisely my point.
Ahhhh…. ok, tough guy.
“you, your participating comrades, and your officers are classic war criminals.”- ya don’t say? But then again isn’t launching a war of aggression a war crime? Do me a favor, cite that law and tell to your congress person how Bush broke it by launching his own war of aggression, see if flightsuit Bush “cooperate['s] in the investigation.”
Yeah, let’s prosecute those soldiers and marines who turn there soul’s inside out for an ignorant self-righteous citizenry. But then again i guess it’s our fault for trusting that America and its citizens wouldn’t stand by as we’re sent off to fight in an unnecessary and illegal war. Stupid marines.
Then you hinted that you served in some capacity, (coast gaurd, perhaps?) but this quote makes clear it was likely in some rear echelon capacity. “soldier you have a sworn obligation to report the officer who gave the order and to offer to cooperate in the investigation,” Yeah, ok. Anyone have commandants phone number?
We don’t fight for an oath and we don’t fight for a slogan, hell nowadays we don’t even fight for you… we fight for the person on the left and the person on the right, for my crew. We do what we think is necessary (right or wrong, but we try to be right) to keep ourselves, but more importantly our friends alive, so that they don’t come back all fckd up as a triple amputee at age 21. And if its punishment you seek, don’t worry once we get home we always provide the conscience… in spades. And I’m sure the fact that one in four homeless persons are veterans has nothing to do with anything.
You know i don’t really know how i really feel about IVAW’s tactics. But you need to wake up, this war has kinda been going on for a while now, http://ivaw.org/wintersoldier
and btw if I’m a war criminal I would say you’re no better that an upstanding German citizen- living next to a concentration camp. If you want to play this game, its not only me and the military who are war criminals it’s this leadership and this citizenry; yes, you too. The military is under civilian authority, America is in charge of it and responsible for it just as much as is the service man or women. We go where you tell us to.
Oh, and please don’t call me “soldier”, its one of our agitations. thx.
Ernie, you need a little help calming yourself, my man.
You are ranting and it’s not healthy, helpful, or sane
-trust me.
You are obviously quite agitated, and you need to open up \and talk to your ‘peoples’
Find some place-warm and caring, if you can.
Or,come here once in a while!
Ernie:
I agree with you that this war is illegal and that it is a war of aggression. I also agree that soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen are in an untenable situation, and that the citizenry bears some responsibility just like we do for poverty and crime. This is a republican form of government and there was no referendum on this war. A group of militaristic Republicans accompanied by sycophant Democrats got us into this mess, and the citizens did everything they could in 2006 to end this debacle. More might be done this year.
With that said, everyone lives by an ethical code mandated by the law. Just like the speeder caught by the police can’t argue that others do it and that the police don’t catch everybody, you can’t convincingly argue that because you faced trying circumstances that others can’t criticize or hold your conduct up the standards agreed upon internationally. Ad hominem attacks on my service won’t help you much either.
I agree with Patty C that you may benefit from some counseling and participating in the discussions here. We have many points of view on this blog and yours is certainly interesting, needed, and, in my view, welcome.
David Motari Is a looser not at all what the Marines is about. My son is a Real Marine 2/7. I wish my son could meet up with David Motari to kick the living shit out of him. David Motari is a discrace to the U.S.M.C and to our great country. I sure hope the United States Marine Corps punishes this no good low life M*****F***** to the fullest extent of the law. He does not derserve to ware the uniform or represent our country. David Motari I hope you pay for this for the rest of your sorry life. I hope you loose every thing that is dear to you. I will personaly post everything I can find out about your sorry ass on every website I can. Most websites have taken the video down I will repost it on every website possiable.Here is a link to see this peice of shit in action.
http://poststuff5.entensity.net/030308/media.php?media=puppy.wmv.
David Motari We all hope you rot in hell and you will. Robert Nail. Jonesboro,Ar
Apology NOT accepted. I hope the media continues to cover this fully and completely UNTIL he is CONVICTED or is KILLED. He deserves to DIE.
Don’t let time forget this atrocity. He must PAY.
If I ever find my way out to Hawaii, or wherever that POS is living, I’d hunt him down.
DeeplyWorried:
Hi Susan, this is not to disagree with what you said but in a real sense everyone over there including the civilians and animals, earns our sympathy. Its one big JF.
But if he did it, it was a bad thing, and the UCMJ will cover it no doubt.
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DW, I agree. I should have clarified it before, but I’ll do so now. I have sympathy for all of our troops who have to be in a country they never asked to be sent to, for a war I feel is completely unjustified. I simply didn’t — and still don’t — have sympathy toward a marine because he was being verbally criticized for what I felt to be a cruel and unnecessary action. I believe he should be reprimanded by the USMC, no more.
Ugh, this makes me sick. My friend (not a dog lover) sent me the video as a joke, knowing I’d put my dogs’ lives ahead of most people I know.
I read this coward’s so-called apology at http://www.davidmotari.net and it made my stomach churn.
Ugh.
The puppy throwing is a direct result of his training. Dehumanisation. Killing for him isnt evil. Its his job most of the time. Still Id put a bullet in his head and sleep great that night.
And this Ernie character stating that its no big deal because in that arena life becomes cheap and yeah big deal a puppy died. The problem is Ernie, that its a sure fire bet this marine will at some point hang up his hat and go live possibly in your neighbourhood. Do you trust the US authorities to deprogram the killer instinct in these guys, or the mental attitude that killing can be fun. Your an ignoramus of the highest order. Im sure youd feel different if he moved next to door to your sister and flipped out one day and shot her in the head, cause he thought it might be funny, or maybe because hes so messed up in the head. I symathise with what the soldiers have to see and live with every day, but in those circumstances the wheat and the chaff get seperated, and the cold blooded killers arent the wheat Ernie!!!
This is what happens when parents push off a borderline personality onto a willing branch of the military. They expect someone else to straighten up, man up or grow up their mess. I have two sons in the USMC, both air contracts. They were horrified when they viewed the video. David Mortari had big problems before he went overseas. He never should have been in uniform. Unfortunately, with troops averaging 2-3-4 back to back 11 month combat tours, who in their RIGHT mind wants to serve? Support these young men and women..Bring them home. This damn war is taking a huge toll on our troops, their families, and their communities….
This Marine should not be discharged. He requires obviously needs our support and the support from qualified psychiatric staff.
fake video, fake apology.
OMG, there’s so much stupidity on both sides of this argument my head just exploded reading it!
I’m not sure what bothers me more, a puppy being thrown off a cliff or how loudly people show their ugly side when they see a point of view that’s difficult to argue with.
I would like everyone reading this to think of the worst thing you have personally ever done, hopefully that will give you a little bit of perspective. And don’t lie to yourself, you all have something.
BTW, I’m not defending the marine in any way. Throwing puppies is bad.
I agree with Mark on March 5, an apology is not going to stop the lynch mob that is going after him. There is too much hatred for him, he’s not safe that’s for sure, someone is going to find him and someone is going to hurt him. I for one will be glad when I have heard it’s happened.
that has to be the lamest apology i have ever read in my life.
he obviously still has zero remorse and apparently is more ‘sorry’ about the bad press than he is for what he did.
this guy is a psycho and a disgrace to the uniform. i hope the Marine Corp is smart enough to court martial him and boot his ass out of the Corp…they should also make the world aware of his mail forwarding address.
what a coward. ‘Combat Fatigue’. he’s a douche bag who probably never even discharged his weapon in combat. he was probably guarding some pile of rocks, got bored, and for shits and giggles he and his homo lover in the video decided to throw a puppy off a cliff.
this guy is pathetic.
What is strange about this defense (repeated by many conservative pundits) is that one does not want people who respond to combat pressures by killing small animals for giggles. It would seem a rather clear case of someone who needs to find another occupation.
Better yet, we need to work toward a world where there is no longer a military occupation, no longer a profession of killing others.
Someday, someday.
I have NO sympathy for ANY of them! They’re Bushe’s mercenaries! They ALL joined because they wanted to kill something…What do you expect out of future “serial killer”?
If he did throw the puppy the best thing for this world is to toss him over a cliff too. We’d all be better off. Sadly this behavior happens everyday in this country – watch Animal Cops on Animal Planet and you will see dimented people do these types of things on a daily basis. It’s sad but true and the only way to stop it is to impose much stricter laws toward this behavior. Jail time (min 1yr) would be the START along with high fines ($5,000 min) and community service. If he did it, he should pay and so should his parents. They “raised” a disgusting, pathetic, devil of a “man”.
As for Anon’s (the village idiot) post….. The worst thing I have personally done would be not tipping enough or not calling on someone’s birthday. Throwing a dog off a cliff couldn’t compare to what most normal individual’s heat-of-the moment occurences. Anon, your response was lame beyond belief.
I hope all american soldiers will be burnt into fires, I hope they will die as soon as possible and I will be very very very happy when I see their families crying in the news. I get very happy when just one american soldier dies in iraq and watch it peacefully. As i m in love with innocent animals, I ll never forget these scenes and that lovely puppy’s screaming in my life. I hope he will be eaten by dogs or his children die in a cruel way. I really wish that from my heart. Whenever I see an american soldier been killed in iraq, I go out and celebrate it for that loveley puppy. I m not talking about americans, I m talking about these soldier cunts who are torturing poor people and animals in iraq. I ll never forget the american cunt woman soldier who was watching the poor iraqian men being raped, and ll never forget that puppy thing. There is no american army, there is AMERICAN COCK SUCKERS! there is no american men power in the world. They are just fast-food people, fat, obese and smelly bastards. I hope you all soldiers will die, cheers!
I hope that terrorits give him the worst possible death. I would pay for it.
The psychopath David Motari deserves to die, and the standing of the US army has suffered damage that will not be repaired in one generation.
I’ve already made up my mind about the whole thing. As I’ve got nothing better and I’m a complete nutcase animal lover, I will stalk Motari a few years until his first born turd comes out of his wife’s c**t. And when he least expects it, I’ll take the kid down in some kind of an auto accident.
You think this is cruel? You think I shouldn’t take revenge on a harmless innocent child, be it the son of a murderer? You’re probably right. But it’s the only way to ensure that scumbag who has disgraced our brave military and our entire country will *never* forget his actions.
Those guys are incurable. They may put out some phony apologies, it don’t fool me. I know there’s only one way to handle them and that’s severe punishment.
And to all of those who try to downplay Motari’s action by bringing up the other many cases of animal abuses, please, don’t be so stupid. If you killed your spouse and tried to explain your act by telling the judge that many others have killed their spouse before you, do you think this would help lessening your sentence? Do you seriously think that it somehow lightens your case? Come on! Get real.
Motari’s first born must and will die.
People need to understand the Act itself was wrong (and I’d love to seem him punish ala Michael Vick) but this Marine just damaged the good name of the USMC. I’m not sure why he would let anyone videotape the action. There are a ton of videos on the net showing our Army acting like pricks towards the Iraqi children.
WHAT WE DO IN LIFE ECHO THROUGH OUT ETERNITY.HE WILL PAY DEARLY FOR ACTION.NO EXCUSES FOR SUCH AN ACT
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THEY HAVE NOT A BRAIN CELL BETWEEN THEM.YOU DESERVE TO DIE HORRIBLY AND PAINFULLY, THE SOONER THE BETTER.TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT.AND I WOULD SAY THAT TO HIS FACE.HOPE THE IRAQIES GET HIM
Does anybody know what has happened to motari at this point has any significant action brought against him
Its funny how you all think you know what happens over there. When I did my tours we were constatly under fire and not able to fire back for fear of injuring innocent civilians, yet a good number of you think we are all just baby killers and rapists. Yes there are incidents of non-combatants being killed by mistake aswell as a few by moraly corrupt people, but dont lump the entire armed forces into “bush’s mercs” or just sadistic people. more good has been done for that country than most back home realize. I personaly have been part of opening three schools in one area on the syrian border (Al Qaim region). But you go ahead and just listen to the talking puppets on the news, because all your going to see is what grabs ratings, death and sadness.
I know this is not going to change anyones opinions, but I had to say it even if I am a year late on this topic.
He was supposed to be so strong and mean, so apology is not accepted. What a despicable creature that man is.
Clearly Janet is a moron, or possibly the mother who raised that piece of shit. The fact is, our AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS are paying for scum like that. My reasoning for being so pissed off was his statement about having to tug the puppy along to safety10 miles away. Gosh, imagine if that was a baby- would he tug that useless piece of shit thing back to safety? Clearly anyting useless or innocent is mere dead weight to that scumbag, so JANET, I could care less.. that psychotic bastard needs to check himself into the nearest metal hospital. But that too would cost me tax dollars, so yeah, I agree with those who’d like to see him lynched… hes a fucking disgrace to my country, a waste of my tax dollars, and a waste of oxygen.
Its really comforting knowing our american tax dollars are funding psychotic sick games like these. Janet, is it so comforting to you? You must wipe your ass with Franklin’s no?
What an embarassment to our country… showing this clear cut whimp bringing harm to something so innocent, and helpless. Wow, the fucking turban heads must be laughing their asses off. Couldnt bag a terrorist, so he goes and kills something that cant fight back. WTF?
Janet you lost me the moment you went off on your ridiculous conspiracy tangent about … hmm… well I didnt read that far into it, it was mere gibberish, and so off topic that the badwidth cops should send you a bill. Because people want to see this scumbag punished, that makes them unamerican? Please, get the hell off of our high horse, and feel this amazing emotion called compassion. I have no compassion for those who harm innocents. Animals, humans, etc.
Like I said, I have no compassion for scumbags, for non-humans… seeing him hung would bring tears of joy to my eyes. If he is so fucking damged, as he claims… then just finish the fucker off, he’s too weak for this country apparently. I find him to be useless, like he found the puppy to be. Throw him from a cliff… I’ll supply the push.
… Im confused… you say that you go where we tell you too… but uhmm… who ordered him to flop a puppy over a cliff? Can you justify that for me please… I really dont care to hear about the oh woe is me sob story… you’ve fallen off topic. I dont care if that guy was just fucked up the ass by some towel head a few hours earlier… who gave the order to play saddistic games?
Certainly not americans…?
You got your facts right though, 1 in 4 make up the homeless population… Yes, the weak ones who can’t handle their actions… maybe they should have never signed up ey? No one is tugging you there anymore… my pops was drafted, he dint run like a sissy. He died in his home at 87 years old, mentality in check, with his name attached to countless deaths, and front row seats to the death of his many friends. He had 4 dogs. What makes him different from mr.puppycliffman? Well… simple… he was not a fucking psycho.
Make a joke about it douchebag. Next he’ll be throwing a kid against a wall or down the stairs, then maybe his big ass wife. Then he’ll get behind the wheel and run someone over, or go nuts with one of his guns at a store. There’s a connection between violence against animals and humans. Monsters often start out with animals and go on from there, maybe with one of your kids. I hope this hangs over his stinking head until he leaves this earth. No excuse for atrocities like this. He will never live it down. He writes like a moron with an IQ of 60. The military accepts waste products like him who have no chance of succeeding elsewhere. Sadly, this is what happens. This retard should have never been born, let alone let in the service.
His family lives in hell. Bullshit. I’d say that dog went thru much worse on the way down. The military is always filling its ranks with the dregs of society and Mortari is one of them. Fuck him and his family. Live in mommy’s basement once again and reflect on your wasted life every day, Mortari.
Or better yet, find a tall building and some real courage.
I really couldn’t bare to be bothered with read ALL these comments but, for David, Ernie and Janet etc. It’s people like them who are the example for why I could care less what happens to people and more what happens to animals. And them posting what they are posting and doing what they are doing doesn’t help their argument at the least. And if someone threw them or their kids off a cliff I wouldn’t care or even bat an eye Sorry but you can’t dish it and not take it
j espere que toi marine est ton cameraman vont marché sur une mine est que vos morceaux vont eclaté partout est que vous allé vous faire bouffé par les chien
franchement …ou est le marine qui nous a sauvé de 1945 ou ??? moi qui est francais ..ou est le marine qui nous a sauvé d hitler ??? ou?? tout le monde vous applaudisser sur paris en 1945 mais je voit … que vous avait changer marine hitler il n y a qu un pas
screw motari he’s not sorry, just that he was caught may he spend his life working in convience stores cleaning dog crap off the floors.
by the way I bet his daughter,wife and family are really proud of that less than honorable
Puppies lives are not equal to human lives. And it seems kind of fishy that the bebo page was put up after the video was taken. I knew David and I was his friend on bebo. His Bebo page was delete immediately after all the threats. And also, doesn’t it kind of appear weird to you that his bebo picture wasn’t him? Hmm, makes you think, huh? Everyone who is hating are all animal activist. Oh and liberals also. I guess if you swat a fly in your home and it is wiggling it’s legs, then you are a “killer” and your family and you should have to receive daily death threats, your mother not be selected to do her job.. I can gaurantee almost everyone has swatted a fly in their house. So all the haters, go find something else better to do then bash David!
Support Our Troops
God Bless America
Thank you David For protecting our country and risking your life for the freedom of Americans!
David Motari was doing his job. Would you carry a dog that had some sort of sickness 10+ miles back to your base? Didn’t think so! ESPECIALLY if it bites you, you can have to get medical attention right away? Right. Obviously it wasn’t the best choice of David Motari to throw a puppy over a cliff, but imagine the trauma our troops have to go through while they are fighting for YOUR freedom? Obviously all you liberals and animal activist don’t appreciate our troops one bit. I agree with you Janet and Rain! THANKS DAVID MOTARI FOR YOUR SERVICE IN OUR MILITARY!
Arno Hollosi: DAVID MOTARI IS NOT A PSYCHOPATH. You have problems. There are MANY people who go hunting for enjoyment, and swat flies daily in their home. I KNOW you have swatted a fly in your home so you must be a killer and be called a psychopath! Learn the meaning of psychopath, you LIBERAL ANIMAL ACTIVIST! ^^^
This is the kind of sick SERIAL KILLER FUCK that needs to go ahead and put a bullet in his head and end it all. What has he got to give society. I’m sure he’s done more atrocious stuff to “the enemy”…
I personally know 2-families that have, lost a loved one in Afghanistan/Iraq due to “non combat related gun shot wounds to the head”
We could only be so lucky if this FUCK would do the same….Semper Fi my ASS….he killed a defenseless creature….Dog or Human…he should rot in hell and I’ll loan him the .44 Mag to make sure nothing is left of his FUCKING BRAINS! a fucking GREASE SPOT THAT HE IS…FUCKER