In the last week, the Obama Administration has supported the Bush Administration in a variety of cases to the great disappointment of many civil libertarians, historians, and academics. This includes an effort to kill litigation that has sought millions of missing emails in the Bush Administration.
Public interest organizations have been suing the Executive Office of the President over large amounts of White House e-mail that were mysteriously lost or destroyed by the Bush Administration. Now, the Holder Justice Department is trying to snuff out the case — a move that runs against Obama’s promise of a more open government. The move puts the Obama Administration on a curious side of opposing the preservation of such key material, which has been sought by both public interest groups and academics. For the full story, click here.
This follows the decision of the Obama White House to try to force the Democrats in Congress “to compromise” with people like Karl Rove on the issue of compelled testimony. I recently discussed that effort on this segment of Countdown.
The Obama Administration has also come up in favor of the position of the Bush Administration in seeking to block an avenue for prisoners to get DNA evidence to prove their innocence. In an Alaskan case, the Obama Administration will argue in support of the state’s opposition of allowing prisoners to sue for such access, even when they are willing to pay for the tests. The case involves William Osborne who was convicted of sexual assault and kidnapping in the death of a prostitute in Anchorage in 1993. In post-conviction appeals, Alaska courts said he was not entitled to DNA evidence for testing but the 9th Circuit reversed. For the full story, click here.
This follows the Obama Administration’s recent embrace of Bush Administration views on the “war of terror” and officials backing down from criticism of the rendition programs, here. The Administration has also decided to continue to deny trial to detainees held by the United States.
I rarely repeat myself, but I think I said all I had to say to you on this issue just recently . . .
President Obama,
Hi! I just wanted you to know that I’ll be working just as hard to get you out of office as I did to get you in to office.
This is why.
I was under the impression you were a Constitutional scholar. What you’ve just shown is that in reality you’re a Neocon capitulating chickenshit. That scumbag Perle must have some stroke, because the hand job you just gave We the People just reeks of Neocon.
Enjoy your one term.
BTW, Barry. I never put a bumper sticker on any vehicle I’ve ever owned. I did for you though. Needless to say, it’s gone now, you lying sack of crap. Scrapped off my window like you should be scrapped off the shoe of Thomas Jefferson after he’s strolled through a barnyard.
The time for patience has officially ended.
It really is time for a mass rally in Washington, DC. These rulings are too consistent to be ignored. It doesn’t matter if you like Obama or you don’t like him. That’s not the point. The actions he is taking are undermining the rule of law. We don’t have time to keep waiting before we exercise our rights as a free people to petition the government. There is no reason to keep silent. The only way for Obama to get the message, loud and clear about what we want from him, is to be loud and clear. We don’t have to be disrespectful. We do have to be strong. We need a clear ethical vision of what we want the United States to be as a country and insist that it be honored.
I am also deeply concerned over detainee treatment. This is a report on abuse and beatings in Gitmo, including recently. All people of conscience must speak out against torture, even if it is occurring under the Obama administration.
“Binyam Mohamed will return to Britain suffering from a huge range of injuries after being beaten by US guards right up to the point of his departure from Guantánamo Bay, according to the first detailed accounts of his treatment inside the camp.
Mohamed will arrive back tomorrow in the UK, where he was a British resident between 1984 and 2002. During medical examinations last week, doctors discovered injuries and ailments resulting from apparently brutal treatment in detention.
Mohamed was found to be suffering from bruising, organ damage, stomach complaints, malnutrition, sores to feet and hands, severe damage to ligaments as well as profound emotional and psychological problems which have been exacerbated by the refusal of Guantánamo’s guards to give him counselling.
Mohamed’s British lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said his client had been beaten “dozens” of times inside the notorious US camp in Cuba with the most recent abuse occurring during recent weeks. He said: “He has a list of physical ailments that cover two sheets of A4 paper. What Binyam has been through should have been left behind in the middle ages.”
Lieutenant colonel Yvonne Bradley, Mohamed’s US military attorney, added: “He has been severely beaten. Sometimes I don’t like to think about it because my country is behind all this.”
Claims that Mohamed was beaten during the period after President Obama announced Guantánamo’s closure in January risk harming diplomatic relations between the administration and the British government. Prime minister Gordon Brown is believed to have raised Mohamed’s case with the US president during their first talk following Obama’s inauguration two months ago.
Stafford Smith, the director of legal charity Reprieve, said yesterday that Mohamed had been routinely beaten by Guantánamo’s notorious emergency reaction force, a six-strong team of guards in riot gear who have been the subject of previous abuse allegations. The alleged beatings were routinely administered against Mohamed “for no reason” and some were “recent” according to Stafford Smith.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/22/binyam-mohamed-injuries
All of these cases outlined in Prof. Turley’s posting are very disturbing. If the Obama administration is going to prove to me that he is going to put his money where his mouth is, he better do it quickly. The one good thing about the President residing in the White House, we all know where he lives when it comes to demonstration time. If the NSA is still listening, those are peaceful demonstrations that I am talking about!
I tend to agree, buddha. The dems are still spineless, the repubicans still mindless. Obama refuses to throw anyone that voted for the Iraq war under the bus. There must be something JT could do, no?
Can’t we sue Obama for harboring terrorists like Bush?
I agree with Jill the time for demonstrating has arrived. I would also suggest to many calls to the White House to register your opinions, just as I will be doing right now.
If a person who we have tortured is still able to worry about those left in Gitmo, how much more should we be calling for justice and an immediate end to the abuse of US prisoners. We must not stay silent. This is wrong.
“Binyam Mohamed, a former UK resident who is flying home after four years of incarceration at Guantánamo Bay…
“I am not asking for vengeance, only that the truth should be made known so that nobody in the future should have to endure what I have endured.”
Mohamed was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 and then secretly flown by the CIA to Morocco where he says he was brutally tortured. He was subsequently flown to Afghanistan and then to the US camp in Cuba.
In his statement today, Mohamed said he would not be able to speak publicly about his experiences for some time.
“I hope you will understand that after everything I have been through I am neither physically nor mentally capable of facing the media on the moment of my arrival back to Britain,” he said. “I have been through an experience that I never thought to encounter in my darkest nightmares.
“Before this ordeal, torture was an abstract word to me. I could never have imagined that I would be its victim. It is still difficult for me to believe that I was abducted, hauled from one country to the next, and tortured in medieval ways – all orchestrated by the United States government.
“While I want to recover, and put it all as far in the past as I can, I also know I have an obligation to the people who still remain in those torture chambers.
“My own despair was greatest when I thought that everyone had abandoned me. I have a duty to make sure that nobody else is forgotten.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/23/binyam-mohamed-return-uk
In Washington, Bill Delahunt, Democratic chairman of the House of Representatives human rights subcommittee, accused Miliband of engineering a cover-up and demanded that the Obama administration declassify the report.
Delahunt has written to the US attorney general, Eric Holder, and the secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, demanding they publish the unedited dossier on Mohamed’s treatment. His letter states: “The United States should not restrict access to intelligence solely to prevent information that might prove politically embarrassing from becoming public, when it poses no legitimate national security threat. This is especially the case when the information in question bears on an allegation as deeply troubling as torture.
“I suggest that the US itself should make that information public.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/23/binyam-mohamed-return-uk
This comes from the Center for Constitutional Rights:
“Currently at Guantánamo, the majority of detainees are being held in conditions of solitary confinement in one of two super-maximum facilities – Camps 5 and 6 – or in Camp Echo. The conditions in these camps are harshly punitive and violate international and U.S. legal standards for the humane treatment of persons deprived of their liberty. Solitary confinement, sensory deprivation, environmental manipulation, and sleep deprivation are daily realities for these men and have led to the steady deterioration of their physical and psychological health. In addition, detainees are subjected to brutal physical assaults by the Immediate Reaction Force (IRF), a team of military guards comparable to a riot squad, who are trained to respond to alleged “disciplinary infractions” with overwhelming force. Detainees have also been deprived of virtually all meaningful contact with their families, and have suffered interference with and abuse related to their right to practice their religion.
“Contrary to statements by the military, conditions at Guantánamo have not improved for the majority of detainees and are still in violation of the law. In this report, we describe the current conditions of confinement for the men at Guantánamo and make recommendations for bringing Camps 5, 6 and Echo into immediate compliance with “all applicable laws” governing the conditions of confinement of detainees, as required by President Obama’s Executive Order.
The descriptions of ongoing, severe solitary confinement, other forms of psychological abuse, incidents of violence and the threat of violence from guards, religious abuse, and widespread forced tube-feeding of hunger strikers indicate that the inhumane practices of the Bush Administration persist today at Guantánamo, despite President Obama’s Executive Order, and should be remedied immediately.”
The more time passes, the only viable solution would seem to be a third party combined with a drive to get some new Amendments to the Constitution.
This comes from another hobby project of mine and I submit it not as a final work, but an idea in progress.
“The Constitutional Integrity Amendment, the proposed 28th Amendment. – The penalty for violating these core legal principles enshrined in the Constitution should be exclusion from process. Any official of any party found to directly or by complicit inaction to have enabled Constitutional abuses in a court of law should be stripped of the right to vote or hold office either elected or appointed.”
“Buckley v. Valeo, an erroneous S.C. decision that has brought us to the fascism we are witnessing in full bloom under the Bush and Obama Administrations. It has been aided by the deeply flawed McCain-Feingold Act and the McConnell v. FEC decision which led directly to the 2004 and 2008 campaign spending fiascoes. Money is not free speech. It’s money. Money is the root of corruption. It is self-evident that corruption is the problem. Corruption should be pulled out by the roots. These bad precedents should be overturned by Amendment. The proposed 29th Amendment, the Anti-graft Restriction on Free Speech, should contain severe limitations on donations so that the poorest Americans can compete with the wealthy and the corporate. Suggested improvements are forcing cable companies and broadcast stations to donate time for candidates and debates as terms of their business charters, a $5000 cap on personal donations from a single natural citizen, restructure PAC’s as to limit their influence to presenting an issue and a prohibition of lobbyists or corporate contributions made either directly or indirectly to any party or candidate. The proposed 28th Amendment is discussed below, The Constitutional Integrity Amendment. The proposed 29th Amendment is second in importance only to the proposed 28th Amendment”
what about term limits instead would they not be easier to put into place and really address the heart of the matter-corrupt individuals who have no philosophical grounding, no internal mechanism for self correction?
Bron,
Term limits are a start but that’s just a band aid. The real issue is the revolving door between government service and lobby. That’s where the rubber of graft meets the road of political subversion and corruption.
And this? This is a real test here . . . a stationary target in the DOJ scandal as Turdblossom comes to rest on his own arrogance. Come on, Obama, Holder and Congress. I dare you not to urge that Rove shouldn’t be picked up, frog marched into a cell and allowed to stew in his own vile juices (or in a just world, the vile juices of fellow criminals) until he cooperates.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0209/Rove_skips_House_Judiciary_deposition.html
I double-dog dare you.
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer?pagename=IndictmentReferendum
It’s about war crimes trials. Please take a look.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7905643.stm
How long until the torturers are held accountable, Obama? The tide is rising. As more evidence of criminal wrongs committed by Bush Co. is made public, the less you’ll be able to resist the call to restore the rule of law.
Get in front of this train or be derailed. There is still time to do the right thing and rehabilitate America’s image abroad and calm the growing domestic anger.
Do the right thing.
Do what you were elected to do and stop using the economy as an excuse to pander to fascism and war criminals.
Torture shmorture…
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/13/citing_iraq_war_renowned_attorney_vincent
Bob,
Well, yeah, there is that too.
Actually, I’d count torture as a lesser included offense; wouldn’t you?
Buddha,
Thanks for the links. We are absolutely failing to win hearts and minds, the thing most likely to keep us safer from a terrorism attack, by failing to investigate war crimes and by actively continuing the policies of the Bush administration. Following is a description of Bagram, the fear it inspires, the consequence of Obama deciding to treat these detainees with injustice:
“KABUL – The word “Guantanamo” serves as shorthand among some Afghans for all the reasons they hate foreign troops, but the impending closing of the notorious prison has gotten surprisingly little attention in this country.
Nothing changed with last month’s U.S. presidential order to close Guantanamo, many people here say, because another prison inspires even greater fear: Bagram.
“What will they do about Bagram?”
The answer was delivered late Friday, when a government lawyer told a Washington district court that President Barack Obama will continue the policy of his predecessor, forbidding detainees at Bagram from legally challenging their imprisonment in U.S. courts.
That policy will now be scrutinized in U.S. court, as advocacy groups try to persuade a judge that Bagram detainees should have the same rights as those in Guantanamo, including the right to a hearing before a neutral judge.
It’s an issue that will assume growing urgency in the coming months, as thousands of extra U.S. troops surge into Afghanistan and a $60-million expansion doubles the capacity of the Bagram Theatre Internment Facility, known by its acronym BTIF.
The Bagram prison is operated by the U.S. military and detainees have no right to legal counsel or fair trial. Most of the detainees are Afghans, but some were transported to Bagram from other countries. A military review board re-examines their status every six months.
A United Nations report last week singled out the Bagram facility for criticism. While the Red Cross was allowed to visit detainees, the report said, the Red Cross findings are kept secret and the U.S. military has denied UN requests for similar visits.
“There are reports that some persons have been in detention at Bagram for as long as five years,” the report says. “Some ex-detainees allege being subjected to severe torture, even sexual abuse. Ex-detainees also allege that they were held in cages containing between 15 to 20 men and that two detainees died in questionable circumstances while in custody.”
While acknowledging that his records may be incomplete, the Afghan official suggested the numbers show a high percentage of people swept up in military operations are innocent. This feeds anger among the local population, he said, and gives a propaganda victory to the insurgents.
“You must not give meat to your enemies,” he said.
“Nothing changed with last month’s U.S. presidential order to close Guantanamo, many people here say, because another prison inspires even greater fear: Bagram.”
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Before piling on to criticize the Obama WH about Bagram, another area of concern created AND left by the Bush admnistration, is it really wise in the effort ‘to win hearts and minds’ to proceed without first acknowledging what has been recently addressed at Guantanamo – since the executive order signed the day after Obama was sworn?
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-15743
Patty,
True, Guantanamo is improving, but improving one illegally operated detention center based on the historical fact of its situs while maintaining another on foreign soil is just as damaging and hypocritical as running one on American soil in the first place. It is truly still giving meat to the enemy and more equivocation on civil rights. Either we torture or we don’t. Where isn’t the issue. You point to the band-aid, but may be missing how bad the blood loss really is. It’s not that Obama hasn’t done anything that’s the problem. He has taken some concrete measure. The problem is that he’s demonstrated a split and conflicted focus. One cannot build a house if one nails up a board and then moves one of it’s supports to mix metaphors. War crimes trials and ending torture at ANY U.S. run or sponsored facility would be like taking the patient, in this case the reputation of the United States, into emergency surgery. Or we can wait while the patient bleeds out and hope for the best. It’s so near to time to operate or attach a toe tag my concern is the toe tag will show up unannounced so to speak – it’ll be over and no remediation will work.
I’ve been patient. The time for remedial action is now or we all need to be prepared for the fallout.
This is an interesting assessment of the Pentagon’s report on conditions at Gitmo. There are also the statements of Binyam Mohamed and his atty. to consider. It seems clear that prisoner abuse is still taking place at Gitmo.
“WASHINGTON – February 24 – The Pentagon issued a report yesterday concluding that the conditions of confinement at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility comply with the humane-treatment requirements of the Geneva Conventions. The report was completed at President Obama’s request by Admiral Patrick M. Walsh, the vice chief of naval operations.
The following can be attributed to Elisa Massimino, CEO and Executive Director of Human Rights First:
“The Pentagon’s report on Guantanamo underscores the need for independent and transparent monitoring of detention conditions. For years, prisoners’ attorneys have detailed inhumane conditions of confinement at Guantanamo, including extreme isolation, lack of access to fresh air and natural light, limited access to attorneys, mental health deterioration, hunger strikes and the force feeding of hunger strikers. Though Human Rights First supports many of the improvements recommended in Admiral Walsh’s report, and encourages their implementation as soon as possible, Admiral Walsh’s findings stand in stark contrast to the real-time accounts of prisoners and their attorneys. We welcome the recommendation that President Obama consider inviting non-governmental organizations to Guantanamo, and we reiterate our request for full access to the detention facility so that we may examine the conditions there and, as improvements are made, credibly, independently and publicly report them to the world. Such access and reporting would set an example of transparency and inspire domestic and international confidence that the United States is re-committed to the humane treatment of prisoners in its care.”
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/02/24/torture_commission/
WTF???
“Attorney: Gitmo Conditions Worsen
Another attorney for Guantanamo Bay prisoners is claiming conditions have worsened sharply since President Obama took office. Ahmed Ghappour says Guantanamo guards are acting even more aggressively before Obama’s year-long deadline to shut the prison down. Ghappour said he’s heard recent accounts of beatings, the dislocation of limbs, spraying of pepper spray into closed cells, applying pepper spray to toilet paper and over-force-feeding hunger-striking prisoners. Other attorneys, including military lawyer Yvonne Bradley, have made similar claims since Obama ordered Guantanamo’s closure.” (from Democracy Now)
What is going on here? More revelations are coming out in Britan about US renditions and torture, aided by our BFFs in the UK. This news is buried here. There is no reason for or excuse for this behavior. This type of thing always comes from the top. I’d say some more calls and e-mails and a protest are in order.
Jill, it appears that there are some sick people who resent the closing and are trying to get in their last licks. We’ve all condemned what has happened to those abused through “enhanced interrogation techniques” and other forms of torture, but we’ve never taken up the topic of the effect that daily participation in these activities has on the abusers. I’m not a psychologist, but I suspect that it is profound.
Mike A.,
I really agree. Torturing people brutalizes the torturer. It’s just that I don’t think these people are acting on their own any more than our people at Abu Graib were. There’s a chain of command. We know who the group is that’s doing this. Obama has been directly informed of the torture at least three times: 1. By Gordon Brown soon after taking office, 2. in a redacted letter presented to him by the DOD and 3. by a human rights group. He cannot maintain plausible deniability of this abuse. This is one phone call away from stopping. There are JAG people ready to go there and stop this torture on a dime. Why aren’t they being called in? Torture always comes from the top when it’s not just a one time event. This is ungoing that means it’s a policy of the highest chain of command. I want to know why Obama feels this is acceptable. I want to know why he hasn’t ordered the torture team to desist, get the hell out of Gitmo, get psychological help and put in place the ready team of law abiding military police who will do the right thing.
Also, the UK is really being forced to cough up evidence of their and our participation in torture. For some reason, unlike here, their govt. is being pressed hard. I want that pressure on the US govt. What we are doing is wrong, stupid and cruel. It must stop.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
You didn’t even bother to view the CSPAN link I posted after it aired Live the previous day – did you?
Patrick Walsh was THERE – for two weeks…!
Jill,
“Torturing people brutalizes the torturer.”
This assumes the torturer is not a willing participant. In some cases, many cases, the line might should have read, “Torturing people feeds the psychosis of the torturer.”
Buddha,
I agree with that as well. There are some people who are sadists who will torture for their own pleasure. I don’t think that is the largest group who will engage in torture. There was an interesting talk from a former MP at Gitmo on NPR this A.M. I guess there is a project for taking the testimony of those who engaged in torture (I’m going to try to link to this info.) His testimony was very moving.
“Guest host Scott Simon speaks with Brandon Neely, a former guard at the Guantanamo Bay prison. Neely recently came forward to speak about some of the abuses he saw while he was a guard at Camp X-ray.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=10 (won’t be available until 12:00 p.m. today, EST)
This is a compendium of information on torture. This group is taking testimony from anyone who witnessed or engaged in torture:
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Since the War on Terror began, “Guantánamo Bay,” “Abu Ghraib,” “black sites,” “ghost detainees,” “extraordinary rendition,” “waterboarding,” and “torture” became incorporated into mainstream American culture.
The US has become a “torturing nation.” The terrible treatment of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo has not turned out to be isolated incidents. We now know that they are characteristic of a US system of torture, conceived by the Bush Administration, sanctioned by the U.S. Congress, covered up by the US military and largely ignored by the mainstream US media.
This system of torture is putting our country in great peril. Torture is undermining the very foundations of our democracy and corrupting our nation’s moral compass. It is pushing our country further and further to the outer edge of the world community.
This background paper distinguishes the facts from the myths about US torture and suggests what we can do about it.
And as long as our country tortures, we are all complicit in it.”
I don’t agree that we are all complicit in torture but I do think when people deny it is occurring, that that is a type of complicity. Obama does know what is happening and he is able to stop it but is failing to do so. This is the truth. Denying it leaves other people to suffer unspeakable pain. http://www.afsc.org/stoptorture/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/33030
Patty,
You need to stop your constant personal attacks towards me. Torture is a big deal. It is a horrible thing for another person to experience. If you have evidence that there is no torture taking place in Gitmo, present it. Attacking me is not an argument, it is a sign of weakness and unprofessionalism. So stop and present facts, not attacks.
As of today, the UN is accusing the UK directly of participating in torture.
“Britain may have broken international law on torture, ministers have been warned by the United Nations. Professor Manfred Nowak, the UN’s special rapporteur on torture, has alerted ministers to a range of concerns, including claims that MI5 officers were complicit in the maltreatment of suspects. The Austrian law professor warned that Britain has breached the UN convention (…)
(…)files allegedly confirming MI5 involvement in the torture of British resident Binyam Mohamed. Miliband said releasing the documents could do “real and significan
http://browse.guardian.co.uk/search?search=binyam+mohamed&sitesearch-radio=guardian&N=4294939861&go-guardian=Search
You didn’t answer the question.
If you care about issues like torture and what’s really going on at Guantanamo as much as you profess, why aren’t you better informed?
Do some real research instead of just cutting and pasting what somebody else just published, said, and/or blogged to support your tired anti-Obama agenda.
Patty,
I have answered all the questions by presenting evidence. Now present yours. Speaking the truth is not being anti-Obama. I’m objected to torture under cheneybush. The issue and my objection to it has not gone away simply because it is happening under a new administation. It is not morally consistent to object to something under one administration but approve of it under another one. That makes no intellectual or ethical sense. As I said, stop your personal attacks and present your evidence that there is no torture occuring at Gitmo. Personal attacks are not worthy of this blog.
Again, you still haven’t bothered to listen to Patrick Walsh yet,
have you?
I posted that CSPAN link, above, a week ago.
Listen to what he said in his 30 minute press conference.
As I mentioned, he was actually there – for two weeks.
Patty,
Yes, I did earlier address that report but will do so again. That report has been disputed by several human rights groups. There is medical evidence of recent torture to Binyam Mohamed. This torture has been independently corroborated by medical doctors. There is sworn testimony by detainees, which is hinted at in the report, (Patrick Walsh did not interview detainees). There is sworn testimony from attorneys to recent torture. This evidence is out in the UK (see links above) and partially out in the US.
And to be clear, he did not interview detainees that had left Gitmo. Current detainees were interviewed by his group.
Just as I predicted – you still haven’t listened to what Patrick Walsh, who was actually at Gitmo for two weeks, said at his press conference.
To put it succinctly, you don’t know what is currently going on there, and therefore your statements today are, in fact, inaccurate
- as they were a week ago.
Got it…
Jill:
“As I said, stop your personal attacks and present your evidence that there is no torture occuring at Gitmo.”
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As formidable as Patty C is, even she cannot prove a negative. If so, I could ask you to prove that Martian aren’t landing at Gitmo at night to film segments for an extraterrestrial sitcom. One can’t be everywhere. The point is that some propositions are more reasonable than others. This Administration has taken a public stance against torture and Admiral Walsh has conducted an investigation which finds that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention has been complied with in so far a current treatment goes. The burden rests with you to disprove the Admiral and Patty C, not the reverse. Personal attacks have no place in mature discourse, but, then again, neither does mildly obtuse thinking based on untested or outdated suppositions.
mespo and patty,
I have been providing evidence of torture occurring at gitmo for at least one week. I have linked to doctor’s reports, Binyam Mohamed’s own testimony, lawyer’s reports and human right group’s assessments both of the Walsh report and in general on conditions at Gitmo. I dont’ know what consititutes evidence if those things do not.
Destruction of evidence.
Do I really have to explain again why IMMEDIATE prosecution of Bush Co for torture is so important?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090302/cia-interrogations/
Obama and Holder! Looking your direction! The ball is in your court. Failure to restore the rule of law will be properly placed if your inaction allows the guilty to go free for torturing in We the People’s name. This is something that will not go away nor is it something We the People will tolerate from ANY leader. Get with the program or enjoy your single term.