After the recent disclosure of how Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld used biblical passages as part of the war briefings for President George W. Bush, GQ magazine has an even more disturbing account: Bush lobbied French President Chirac that the war in Iraq was foretold in the bible and told that it was the final struggle with Gog and Magog.
The magazine quotes French sources as saying that Chirac was so confused by the conversation that he reached out to Thomas Römer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne to try to figure out what Bush was talking about. This report is supposedly confirmed in Chirac’w own book.
According to the report, Bush lobbies Chirac in 2003 with quotations from the Book of Revelation and told him that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated. The bible states:
7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, :8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Gog is known to dwell to the north of Israel.
Evangelicals and Bible literalists often discuss the battle foretold by prophet Ezekiel in Ezekiel 38 and 39 as key to the 1000 reign of Christ — working on the precise timing indicators from the Bible to plan ahead.
The report says that Bush told Chirac that the fight in the Middle East was “willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
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Dear Professor Turley:
I just wanted to thank you for all your comments regarding the torture mess. Yours is a voice of sanity. For the life of me, I cannot understand why your President doesn’t appoint a special prosecutor and then just step out of the way.
What will they do I wonder if Cheney ends up in a Spanish prison.
Keep at ‘em
Regards,
Boog
so bush’s handlers got him to believe this was a war for religion.
this is so ridiculous, i don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
“…You get witch-hunts and wars
When church and state hold hands…”—from “Tax Free” by joni mitchell
Gog and Magog? Sound like characters from Lord of the Rings!
I wonder if Rummy preached that doctrine via a memo to him, or whether he read it from the annals of Jefferson Davis, who once said:
“It is a damn poor mind that can figgur but one way to spell a word” …
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/05/book-of-bowser.html
Still not surprised by this. However, I remain surprised that this man was elected twice.
What did anyone expect from a born-again christian whose mind was damaged from a stuporous alcoholic and cocaine past. God was the only place his feeble mind could turn since he could not confront the realities of life except as bolstered by the fantasies of mind-altering chemicals and those crutches quit working. Religion is the worst mind-altering opiate of all, given its insidious ability to induce the death and destruction based on words whispered, “Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling…”
No wonder 9/11 happened; the Muslims must have thought that if anyone as stupid as Bush could be elected president, the USA was ripe for invasion; they were very right since Bush et al. stupidly ignored all of the “intelligence;” furthermore, one must be somewhat intelligent to understand intelligence and also not blinded by unyielding faith in an anthropomorphic ghost.
Former Fed,
I may not have phrased it like you did, but I have to agree with your posting. This former President was not only damaged by his past, he was damaged by an overreliance in his religous beliefs. If Chirac’s story is true, and it seems to match Bush’s use of the term Crusade early on in the buildup and war, he took us to war and over 4,000 US soldiers died to reconcile Bush’s belief that the New Age was near. That must be comforting to the families and friends of loved ones who died fighting his fairy tale.
I believe Bush’s scenario is from a book called: “The Late Great Planet Earth”. It isn’t the first time in history that millennialists have started wars because they believed the end was near and wanted to help it along. It is horrifying and ironic that bush and jihadists share so many beliefs in common. They all believe the end is near, that they are the agents of god on earth, and they are willing to kill and order other people to die for their beliefs. The armaegedon worldview intrinsically devalues human life. It is a cult of death.
‘Gog’ and ‘Magog’ are now the preferred possible names for our next breeding pair of pigs OR goat which will eat, almost, anything.
Thanks, JT…
Anybody a fan of the Anne of Green Gable series? Gog and Magog, the ceramic dogs with green dots are real.
http://www.uoguelph.ca/atguelph/06-09-13/featuresarchives.shtml
I think the saddest part about this is that, as more evidence comes to light, Bush increasingly looks like someone that can get suckered just by someone peppering requests to him with Biblical overtones. Consider Rummy’s memos, or Bush’s quotes lauding Putin after their meeting with him wearing a strategically placed cross around his neck. I think Hitchens has revealingly asked if anyone has ever seen Putin wearing that thing again.
Oooooooooh..
Confirmed in Chirac’s OWN BOOK. Wow, must be TRUE…..LOL.
I bet this will be NUT BALL MSNBC TV headlines for the next 3 days.
Although I’m not surprised by this, it continues to yield evidence that Bush and his gang were swayed in a way that was extremely dangerous in the world’s quest to find meaning for itself.
Basing untold policies that effect BILLIONS of people on writings of fairy tales is a sobering thought. Jill puts it very well from the book “The Late Great Planet Earth”. As an ‘agent’, Bush clearly believed and ‘ruled’ the US as if he were the final arbiter…scary folks…
Anybody a fan of the Anne of Green Gable series? Gog and Magog, the ceramic dogs with green dots are real.
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Sorry, we’re NOT adopting any more dogs…
Our latest soon-to-be working pair of Anatolian Shepherd puppies is IT – for a long, long, long-long time.
What a handful! Cute and so much fun, but ‘Whew’…
Luckily, we have help and much of it comes from ‘our’ previously, now communal, other eight (8) dogs – thanks so very much… {;o
So here we are, on Memorial day, listening to the rhetoric of how much we appreciate our troops for fighting an absolutely unnecessary war after a week of listening to Cheney defend this war as he attacks President Obama for making the country less safe. Combine that with the new language coming from the White House, “indefinite detention” and truly, I am sickened.
And it all comes from a half-wit preppie who was ladled from one vat of privilege to another his entire life, and whose delusions about power, control and domination come from hooking up with a war mongering profiteer acting as shadow president.
Yesterday I was at the grocery store and saw a car with a bumper sticker that read “I’ll keep my guns, money and freedom and you can have the change”
So far no one has taken anyone’s guns but what does this guy think? that a bumper sticker on his car will keep his civil liberties intact? Will the vigilance of the right wing talk radio crowd keep them free? Their paranoia? If that guy feels less free today than he felt 6 months ago it isn’t because Obama was elected or because the economy crashed. It’s because when we go to the airport we have to submit to unreasonable searches if we want to get on the plane. Americans were only too happy to comply, thinking that the loss of a few freedoms was worth our safety and the truth is we are not any more or less safe than we were on 9/10. No one thinks twice about going into a mall or book store or a pizza joint. At least the guy was diving a Prius.
“indefinite detention” is thing that makes me feel less safe. It leads me to believe that just about anyone can be picked up and questioned and thrown into what amounts to a concentration camp with no access to legal counsel or a trial. Places like Gitmo are concentration camps. Maybe there is no forced or slave labor going on inside their walls but people are being held for their beliefs, not because that have committed any crimes, but because perhaps they may commit a crime in the future.
GWLSM,
I agree, indefinite detention makes all of us less safe. That statement about “first they came for so and so and I didn’t say anything and then they came for me while nobody was left to speak up” is corny but true. If we don’t speak up now while there’s still a chance, we will lose all of it. Glenn Greenwald’s column today mentions that there is mounting opposition to this idea. Russ Feingold has said it’s not Constitutional. I hope GG is correct, we should not remain silent, compliant “citizens” while our civil rights are being gutted.
Jill,
Mr. Greenwald’s columns are necessary reads. They often take a lot of effort to read and then to follow-up with all of the excellent links. Although this blawg is my favorite, I get more in-depth knowledge of the law from Greenwald’s site, although the lack of additional discussion here is largely predicated on Professor Turley’s full schedule and 3 Greenwalds could not match one Turley. The Turley/Greenwald combination is unbeatable.
Instead of Chris “Tweety-bird” Matthew’s Show on Sunday, I would like a Turley & Greenwald Constitutional Hour explaining how the U.S. Constitution affects our daily lives while they debated current issues and discussed the Rule of Law.
“In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France’s President Jacques Chirac.” “Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.” – Clive Hamilton
This meeting would have to have take place prior to the Iraq invasion, which was March 20, 2003. I think Mr. Hamilton has stated the wrong year.
Could it be May 26, 2002 in Paris, France?
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020526-2.html
Chirac does not visit Washington in 2002, but does in September and November of 2001. 2001 is to early to be assembling the ‘Coalition of the Willing’.
Laugh or cry George Magog Bush needed war in the most urgent way, absurd.
And I DISagree…
None of ‘Us’ with a capital ‘u’ has remained silent since Day 1
- 9/11/01…
Not to worry. Those of us who were paying attention then, are still ‘on it’ now and have been all along – especially since 2002.
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(CBS) CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.
That’s according to notes taken by aides who were with Rumsfeld in the National Military Command Center on Sept. 11 – notes that show exactly where the road toward war with Iraq began, reports CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin…
“…It was 12:05 p.m. when the director of Central Intelligence told Rumsfeld about the intercepted conversation.
Rumsfeld felt it was “vague,” that it “might not mean something,” and that there was “no good basis for hanging hat.”
In other words, the evidence was not clear-cut enough to justify military action against bin Laden.
But later that afternoon, the CIA reported the passenger manifests for the hijacked airliners showed three of the hijackers were suspected al Qaeda operatives.
“One guy is associate of Cole bomber,” the notes say, a reference to the October 2000 suicide boat attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, which had also been the work of bin Laden.
With the intelligence all pointing toward bin Laden, Rumsfeld ordered the military to begin working on strike plans. And at 2:40 p.m., the notes quote Rumsfeld as saying he wanted “best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H.” – meaning Saddam Hussein – “at same time. Not only UBL” – the initials used to identify Osama bin Laden.
Now, nearly one year later, there is still very little evidence Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. But if these notes are accurate, that didn’t matter to Rumsfeld.
“Go massive,” the notes quote him as saying. “Sweep it all up. Things related and not.”
Horatio’s comments are particularly striking to me. One of the interesting phenomenons accompanying the steady stream of revelations regarding the Bush White House is the psychological inability of many of his supporters to come to grips with the fact that this man could make life and death decisions based upon fundamentalist biblical interpretations. Despite the confirmation from numerous sources over the years that Mr. Bush regarded himself as chosen by God to be president, Horatio’s first reaction is to direct a sarcastic response based upon his disdain for the French. This sort of denial characterizes the comments of many who refuse to understand the extent to which government over the past decade has become increasingly polluted by the semi-literate prophecies of the half educated. It is hardly coincidental that the only remaining citadel of this sort of apocalyptic disingenuity is the southeastern United States, the one remaining outpost of Republican evangelicalism. One hopes that if nothing else of value comes out of the Bush years, the public will at least demand that government divorce itself from the absurdity of fundamentalist religious ideology.
Again:
Rumsfeld felt it was “vague,” that it “might not mean something,” and that there was “no good basis for hanging hat.”
One hopes that if nothing else of value comes out of the Bush years, the public will at least demand that government divorce itself from the absurdity of fundamentalist religious ideology.
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As it should be with no doubt!
Turley & Greenwald Constitutional Hour
OOOhh, What time and place? Count me in.
FF LEO, the producer owes you 10%.
No one could have predicted …+
A couple of protest songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgj7mgM1Qzc
I agree with Horatio; Chirac is writing a book and this lie helps sell a few thousand more books.
Mike Appleton, did you know Presdient Lincoln was a witch?
Sure, I read it in a book…..by a French guy…….
GWLawSchoolMom
I appreciate what you have had to say.
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gwen 1, May 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Mike Appleton, did you know Presdient Lincoln was a witch?
Sure, I read it in a book…..by a French guy…….
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I do not believe that he was a witch he was a spiritualist.
“Confirmed in Chirac’s OWN BOOK. Wow, must be TRUE…..LOL.”
Mahmoud Abbas told a similar story from June, 2003 – that god told Bush to invade Iraq & Afghanistan.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html
chris,
I am sure GeoI was misquoted as you see he is too stupid to speak french. Maybe tried, I am sure, but I am sure he was just misunderstood. You know those french people they always overreact to everything. You know that they mission is accomplished it was a short term investment of solider and time.
What we are doing now is defending the aggressions of those people and the alkida has to be stopped from committing acts of aggression against the US. Don’t you see?
“Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose – and you allow him to make war at pleasure.” – Abraham Lincoln
The link below is to the Institute of Public Accuracy.
A response to George Magog Bush’s, 2003 “State of the Union.”
http://www.accuracy.org/article.php?articleId=1030
The experts have some insightful editorial about this speech. Sixty days later our country attacked a sovereign state. Lincoln was a smart guy, or so I’ve read somewhere.
It is increasingly obvious that George W Bush really is low IQ religious loon and that the real power in his administration was Dick Cheney.
CM,
He is a successful business man. GeoI was almost as unsuccessful as his grandfather Prescott Bush, but then he made a shit load of money trading with Hitler. Most of Prescott’s assets were seized during WWI as trading with the enemy acts. Now Herbert Walker, whom W was named after was a merciless business man. I wonder if W’s mother has more balls than his father. I am reading a book about that right now.
It is also interesting that Prescott’s money was used to finance a steel corp that built Auschwitz and others.
A Y
“He is a successful businessman”.
My impression is that George W (ie George II) was never successful at business but that people wishing to curry favour with George H W or with the potential future power himself bailed out his failures or gave him preferential deals.
Carlyle Moulton 1, May 25, 2009 at 9:03 pm
A Y
“He is a successful businessman”.
My impression is that George W (ie George II) was never successful at business but that people wishing to curry favour with George H W or with the potential future power himself bailed out his failures or gave him preferential deals.
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Cheney is the sucessful one, opps. mea culpa, mea culpa. smiting my chest three times.
GeoII, was never successful at anything, not even getting hi. It was not until he got involved in the Rangers with 1.8 percent interest (money loaned to him) that the MLB commissioner wanted to keep the Rangers with a Texas owner that he was eventually given another 10 percent share (Presidential in my math) then the sale went through.
Think about this Prescott voted against going against Adolph Hilter. Why? Money. back in the 40’s he was given 1.5 million for less than 1 share of 1 company that was seized by the US.
About George W’s intelligence. It is suspected that the main reason members of species homo sapiens have such large brains is to handle the complexity of social interactions in large communities. With other primate species, brain size is correlated with the size of the communities in which they live.
I suspect George W is low in those brain functions measured by IQ tests and that are related to analysing networks of cause and effect, but he may be high in others that IQ tests do not measure related to social interaction and obtaining allies.
Carlyle Moulton 1, May 25, 2009 at 9:18 pm
About George W’s intelligence. . . . but he may be high (with)in others . . . .
That I can agree with.
Carlyle
You wrote:
About George W’s intelligence. It is suspected that the main reason members of species homo sapiens have such large brains is to handle the complexity of social interactions in large communities. With other primate species, brain size is correlated with the size of the communities in which they live.
I suspect George W is low in those brain functions measured by IQ tests and that are related to analysing networks of cause and effect, but he may be high in others that IQ tests do not measure related to social interaction and obtaining allies.
I think you kind of miss the point. GWB is a product of selective breeding. The sort that produces generations of upper-class twits in the UK, whose family money entitles them to a kind of, well, assisted living that has nothing to do with brain size and everything to do with accidents of birth. It is simply an accident of birth that he was born into the Bush family fortunes and was given the connections that come from going to the right schools and joining the right clubs and doing what those who came before him told him to do. His prize was the key to the kingdom and this has nothing to do with his abilities or competencies or even his own desires. He did what he was programmed to do. No more and no less.
BTW…
the US was at war with saddam since 1991…we had 2 (count them) no fly zones…in which our AMERICANS pilots patroled
saddam keep building anti-aircraft networks around his zone which included parts and the cable for the nteworks from china…which we keep taking out
our pilots were being shot at on a weekly basis…
if one can not understand that saddam had some plan to finish the war he started in 1991 then one has no common sense
is america surrounded by enemies in the middle east…yes, even our friends
should we become muslims and throw in the towel? NO
saddam did pay palestinians to send their children to their deaths for the cause of ISLAM aka PAN ARABISM? YES
for whatever the faults that happned doesn’t mean the whole thing was not the right thing to do…were we to wait for saddam to be ready for us…i don’t mean the mushroom cloud…but that is what some people wanted to hear and saddam…
if bush didn’t say what he said saddam would of believed that he had a spy in his circle…and just like 1991 he would have taken them out and shot them
was saddam going to tell the truth? NO…did saddam tell the truth? NO…did saddam have more ties with Chiraq then he ever had with rummy? YES
have a good night
ravin loon a tick?
Remember Valarie Plame. Don’t even let that cross your little ole selective bred brain.
if one cannot understand that Saddam had no means with which to finish a war he started in 1991 then one has no common sense
and if one believes that Saddam invaded Kuwait in order to start a war with the US then one has no common sense
Rats, aAnd to think that living in Sherbrooke, Québec I am only ten minutes away from Magog, incredible!
C.Everett Kook 1, May 26, 2009 at 1:25 am
if one cannot understand that Saddam had no means with which to finish a war he started in 1991 then one has no common sense
and if one believes that Saddam invaded Kuwait in order to start a war with the US then one has no common sense
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Sir, correct me if I am wrong. But did not that conflict happen in the GeoI watch? Did you not see an article in the Washington Post where his family, that would be the Bushes owned 10 acres of prime Kuwaitee Oil property? Humm…..wonder why we felt the need to set right a wrong….do you think he was trying to make a wrong a right because his daddy had his property seized while a US Senator who voted against the 2nd WW? Oh, ya think he had a conflict in voting on that subject? Maybe? Maybe not.
Anonymously Yours
I’m not sure what you’re getting at
in my defense though I’m frequently not sure what people are getting at
I realize I’m not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition but English were never mine goodest subject
Gog & Magog … sounds like Star Wars, which BTW is a much better fairy tale than the big-black-boring-book of death and dismemberment.
I thought Gog and Magog was a cartoon based on a breakfast cereal, I’m just an ignorant heretic though
Gwen, thank you for your excellent illustration of my point. Surely you do not believe that the strong support of Israel by the Christian right in this country represents an outpouring of love for the Jews. Jill’s earlier post is correct. Conservative Christian thought is dominated by dispensational premillenialists hoping for the rapture and armageddon. The existence of Israel and restoration of the temple is critical to their theology. They are now busily attempting to identify the antichrist, except for John Hagee, who apparently clings to the more traditional view that that position remains occupied by the pope. Although Dick Cheney may have pushed the invasion of Iraq based upon old fashioned avaricious capitalism, George Bush was influenced by religious considerations as well, namely his role in the preparations for the second coming. His views actually parallel those of Ronald Reagan, who also spoke on more than one occasion about the role of Israel in apocalyptic prophecy. This is a major reason that religious conservatives have flocked to the Republican Party over the past thirty years. (The other major reason relates to racial attitudes.) Why do you think that Liberty University has banned the student Democratic club from campus?
If you wish to debate these issues, I certainly welcome the discussion. If, however, you are merely offended because you hold identical biblical views, or remain in denial concerning the influence of fundamentalism on Middle East policy, then I expect your response will be more vitriol. The ball’s back in your court.
i see noone commented on having 2 no fly zones…and u mean valerie blame…because valerie wilson was a secertary…
and i was for getting saddam out of kuwait but not going to baghdad because he had vx and we couldn’t protect our troops in 1991
saddam didn’t buy aluminum tubes for an extra 150 miles of conventional weapons…he didn’t want it to put a real nuke in…saddam was cheap and buying those tubes was for a reason…
that reason being that what would be the easist way to get the US out of the middle east…in 1991 if we had went on to baghdad and he managed to hit a few hundred or thousand at the time with vx it would of been all over the european news and the US would leave with their tail between their legs…
so what did he want those aluminum tubes for? well, like everything saddam did…it was a half assed plan that included putting what would appear nuke material – like maybe sometype of tactial nuke..but mostly it would have been crap with vx or mustard gas or something that came from Libya -libya gave up their nuke stuff after we captured saddam in 2003-in it to take out some troops on their way in and the US would be forced to pull out
saddam would have invaded the Kurds say probably in 2005 because noone would care about him invading the south of iraq…then when AS IN 1991 EVERYONE WOULD HOLD HANDS TO GO INTO IRAQ…thus, the US would be forced to pull out of the middle east with their tail between their legs…
as stated in the 2007 NIE…in 2003 Iran dispensed with their nuke program when we invaded Iraq…
saddam came to power in 1979 with the help of france…iran came to power in 1979 with the help of the french…then they fought a war for 8 years killing iraqis and iranians well both stayed in power
if the US put saddam in power it was up to them to take him out of power…make up ur mind…
i wasn’t against wilson writing what he did it was better than the subject coming from saddam
it was what cheney did afterwards that was the problem then by 2005 it became very clear that cheney was going to continue to make the US look bad by continuing to prove things we could not prove
saddam only needed “al queda” after he was out of power
the only intel used was “zarqawi went to iraq on one leg” which is code i am not going to reveal…i stated not to use it…but cheney always put the intel field in the cross hairs by revealing code as truth and then using it against us
cheney only wins if iraq goes back to sanctions or if he runs the war…that strategy is still up for a decision
and those who attack me…DON’T KNOW ANYTHING!!!
after 6 years my phone has finally stopped ringing for no reason early every morning knowing i had been up all night in pain going to the bathroom and just maybe getting a little sleep out of exhaustion…my phone would ring day and night from unknown callers
oh, let me think…for the past 6 years…i have had SLEEP DEPREVATION, LACK OF MEDICAL CARE….I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION UNLESS AN ORGAN WAS FAILING and i have a letter to that effect…BECAUSE CHENEY WAS NOT TORTURING ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN
so, u all have mental disorder because u believe the news and movies
Yeah man! What he (above) said!
Gog and Magog!! Turley & company think Pres. Obama is on a different path than Bush’s? The congress overwhelmingly blocked closing of Gitmo.
More than anything else and Mr. Turley knows it American judiciary has failed us in being independent and in restoring sanity in our culture.Americans have started a crusade against an undefined enemy, in undefined waters for an undefined period. This has not been good for America.
I am speechless
ravin is a woman…it’s mz ravin black
Ravin, after fruitlessly trying to decipher your comments, I have concluded that your entire post is “code” which you are not going to reveal. Declarative sentences with subjects, objects and occasional verbs might be helpful. I will accept at face value, however, your statements that you suffer from sleep deprivation and require medical attention.
Sorry, I don’t believe the Gog Magog story. It makes a great story, and I’m no fan of Bush, but this is pure fiction.
Bush is a reflexively conservative Christian. Not a diehard ideologue — that would require too much reading, too much seriousness. It is not in his character. He does not talk “theology.” Moreover, he surrounded himself with advisors who weren’t religious (though yes, they used religion.) Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld. . . couldn’t quote a Bible verse to save their lives. But yes, they were happy to use the Christian right.
So sorry, I don’t believe it for a minute.
This is a similar account only told by a different leader:
“Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: “President Bush said to all of us: ‘I am driven with a mission from God’. God would tell me, ‘George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan’. And I did. And then God would tell me ‘George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq’. And I did.”
Mr Bush went on: “And now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me, ‘Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.” (the Guardian 2005)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
This was said by Bush”
Bush said to James Robinson: ‘I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can’t explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen… I know it won’t be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.’
(the Guardian, 2003)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/usa.religion
There is an accumulated body of evidence that lends credence to this story. Most importantly, Bush has said many things himself, of a very similar nature.
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I understand your skepticism, but evangelicalism is a lazy man’s theology – cherry-pick a passage of the Bible that confirms your prejudices, use it to justify murder or genocide or taking land away from whoever, and that’s all the work/ reading required. And no worries about the morality of wars of aggression etc – the “good” people are justified in whatever they do to the heathens. Like somebody said – the jihadists and Bush (and the neocons) have a lot in common.
I should have said “evangelicalism is a lazy man’s *or a simpleton’s* theology”
i could care aless…
Gog and Magog; LOL. According to jewish tradition, the coming of the Messiah will be preceded by this war. It is a battle of two enormous powers. I would think that a world war would be needed, not a 3 week destruction follwed by years of occupation. The war of Gog and Magog is very esoteric and kabbalistic in nature as is everything related to the coming of the Messiah. Bush is no kabbalist.
As I understand it, the Battle of Gog and Magog precedes the coming of the anti-Christ, who is originally welcomed as a force for good and acquires a great following. BHO, anybody? Also as I understand it,the original text is unclear if Gog and Magog are countries or individual acting as champions, perhaps. The battle between Bush and bin Ladin, of cource had confusions between individuals, movements and states that may have led to the confusions by the original seer. You’ll know I believe this when I put on my flowing whiite robes–no sackcloth and ashes for me–give my goods to the poor and head for the nearest mountain top
This sentence could my eye: “Gog is known to dwell to the north of Israel.” Known by whom, a small group of tribes who lived during the late Bronze Age? It is obviously a reference to the Hittites, the empire of which hasn’t been around in quite some time.