A new government report has disclosed that President Bush authorized secret surveillance activities that went beyond the previously disclosed NSA program – raising the prospect of additional unlawful conduct by the Bush Administration. At the same time, a House member has revealed that CIA Director Leon Panetta has shutdown a program that was never revealed to Congress in direct violation of federal law. I discussed these stories on this segment of MSNBC Countdown.
In a notable change, the report now describes the entire program as the “President’s Surveillance Program,” going beyond the domestic surveillance program. It also highlights the individual who is most accountable for criminal violations as well as the failure of the Obama Administration to allow investigations into unlawful surveillance or torture. As the evidence of such unlawful conduct mounts, the blocking of a criminal investigation by Attorney General Holder grows more serious as an abdication of his oath to uphold our laws.
Notably, the “usual suspects” refused to be interviewed: former CIA Director George Tenet, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card; former top Cheney aide David Addington; and John Yoo, who served as a deputy assistant attorney general. Given the potential incrimination prospects, they have at least acted in deference to the criminal code even as Holder appears to ignore it.
For the full story, click here.
It was also disclosed that CIA Director Leon Panetta has terminated a “very serious” covert program kept secret from Congress for eight years. Rep. Jan Schakowsky disclosed the violation of federal law, but once again Congress is silent on holding anyone accountable.
For that Panetta story, click here
Surprise! When you have secret government agencies, they create secret programs!
Illegal covert operations should not entitled to protection from disclosure on national security grounds. When illegality can be legitimately hidden from view, the inevitable result is what we are only now beginning to learn. Those upon whom we bestow the most power are those who most fervently demand unquestioned trust and who most frequently abuse it.
The text of the report can be found at the following link:
http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/unclassified_pspreport.pdf
The Washington Post article is at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/10/AR2009071002536.html?hpid=topnews
It is time for Holder to get Yoo and Tenet and Ashcroft under oath in front of a Grand Jury and let them take the Fifth if they don’t want to implicate themselves in this illegal charade. Prof. Turley is correct that Holder is abusing his oath if an investigation into this criminal activity isn’t immediately undertaken. It also looks like Congress may be looking into it further as well. Each time we have an announcement that there was another secret program during the Bush regime and that the head of the CIA allegedly didn’t find out about for 4 months and he shuts it down, who is running the show here? Is there a rule of law or isn’t there?
We already know how Obama feels about secret intelligence briefings. Democrats yesterday want to compromise with Obama on legislation to broaden legislators’ access to secret intelligence briefings.
The Obama threatened on Wednesday to veto the bill, the same day that we find out that CIA Director Leon Panetta had testified secretly that agency briefers had misled legislators in the past.
More openness and transparency
Thanks for the heads up re the appearance on Countdown. Just watched it and it was great. My husband, who is not a lawyer and does not normally care about these issues could not leave the room. He is fired up now and wants an investigation. Amazing, a man who had never voted before we were married, now on fire about a full investigation regarding these charges.
Just love getting the word out. Helping others see why this is so important and why we all must take an active part in pushing for full disclosure.
Good job.
Pam
Bdaman,
It is interesting that the same day the CIA admitted to lying to Congress and that an illegal operation was allegedly closed down by Panetta, that Obama states he is against more Congressional oversight. To me that is a red flag that we have to see what this closed operation was doing. Obama’s veto threat in reality is similar to the Wizard saying “ignore the man behind the curtain!”
We have had a coup in this country. Too many people and groups of intelligence agencies are acting completely untethered to the law. I’m glad this information is coming out but it is difficult to know where to go as a citizen to bring back the rule of law. This is incredibly dangerous. It appears that there has been a seemless transition between Bush and Obama, allowing all matter of illegalities to remain in place and go unpunished. As we now know the PSP was completely illegal I see no reason for its classification. Someone needs to leak the whole thing and everything else. I will be contacting those few people left in Congress who seem to care for the rule of law. Holder should be impeached if he will not investigate by the end of two weeks.
rafflaw, I seriously believe Obama has mental problems. Maybe Mike Spindell can explain it. Obama met with the Pope today and promised the Pope he would do everything in his power to reduce abortions in the United States. This from a man, deranged as he may be, who has signed several pieces of abortion legislation including funding foreign abortions. He also signed legislation to use taxpayer money to kill embryos in research And now democrats are pushing legislation that will force healthcare providers to perform abortions even if it violates their moral or religious convictions.
Barack Obama is the most radical pro-abortion president in the last 35 years. Obama voted 4 times to support infanticide during his political career.
The Vatican already attacked Obama for using taxpayer money to fund foreign abortions.
And here’s the killer, he appointed John Holdren as his science czar. John Holdren, if the guy could bring back the gas chambers he would.
John Holdren co wrote a book in 1977 and in that book this is what this luny bin says
** Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not
** The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food
** Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise
** People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren
anybody who comes to this site, who voted for Obama, who cant see through this guy please, please seek medical attention.
Bdaman,
you left me in the dust there. I believe the abortions were down during the Clinton years as compared to the Bush years. When you believe that religion should considered in governmental decisions, bad things happen. When you try to stop sex education, bad things happen. The Pope is noone to be asking for someone to be moral. I guess according to you, I better call the doctor now.
Rafflaw you are missing my point, my point is Obama does the exact opposite of what he says he will do. I bet you if you went back through the archives here and look at older post from election day on, you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about
You mean to tell me my government was not totally honest with me? I am appalled. This is just not right, I am deeply offended. It really hurts my feelings.
Or you can believe that more is done that we have no ideal about. The CIA is evil, now why is the CIA fighting a war? What about the drones? They have a unaccounted for budget.
I’m still shaking my head, this guy is unbelievable. Everything from, he would post bills online so the public could read them first and he would not sign them for five days to investigate Bush then side with Bush. This is crazy.
Bdaman,
I know what you were talking about and I have acknowledged the changes in Obama’s stances on various issues, but your religious concerns aren’t mine and in my opinion, the mixing of religion with politics and government is one of the big problems that we face in this country.
AY,
The CIA does need to be brought under control and additional Congressional oversight is a good beginning.
This isn’t news to some. I only hope and pray that the entire truth is revealed.
I agree with Jill. And she’s right that “someone needs to leak the whole thing.” Now.
This was nothing short of a neo-con coup. I now see why Jim Comey exited from this threat to our freedoms. It may be time to take our freedom back even if it means forming a third party and de-electing every damnable one of those aiders and abettors on Pennsylvania Avenue–both ends.
I’ll tell you what did it for me was watching Helen Thomas and Chip Reed this week when Helen Thomas, the most liberal white house reporter told Gibbs, “Im amazed, I’m amazed, you people call for openness and tranparency and then try and control”. She went on to say they have never had that in the Whitehouse. F it here’s the video again and again he ran on that he would have the most open and transparent administration and it is the exact opposite.
This is an outrage. There must be a criminal investigation, as well as the appropriate hearings “with teeth.”
I believe that John Dean put it this way: “When the entire truth comes out, it will be worse than Watergate.” We must stand up and demand a return to the rule of law.
It’s time for men and women of conscience and courage to step forward and tell the truth about the lawlessness of the last many years.
Mespo,
I agree with your frustration, but the answer is the rule of law being followed, no matter who is in office. I believe that a citizen ombudsmen with subpoena power with any branch of the government could be the answer. If the Ombudsperson had real power, he/she can be the official whistle blower on corrupt pols of any party. How we get a position like that is another story. I am open for suggestions.
It’s not looking good for the rule of law or accountability, never mind core civil rights going back five hundred plus years. Poof!
Well I had the phone off until I caught our host on the rebroadcast of Countdown.
mespo has cut to the chase and I second him.
It is time to arise and take torch to the corruption and lies – that torch is your vote. The Promethean gift of our Founding Fathers.
Before they try to outlaw voting or third parties all together.
It is time to bring back justice and remove the criminals and corporate corruption from We the People’s government. There is one thing that a bad economy guarantees. There are a lot of people unhappy with the way things are being done in Washington with a lot of time on their hands.
No more incumbents. No more lobbyists. No more GOP or DNC candidates. No more corporate criminals. It is not only our country they risk destroying. Unchecked they will destroy the world. It is perhaps the highest irony is that the most appropriate phrase at the moment seems to be an old Chinese proverb I recently used elsewhere here: the more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war. Civilians concerned with your Constitutional and civil rights, now is the time.
Get to work. Work smart. Use form letters, templates. Make it a daily routine if you can, but try to bother them once a week minimum. Automate tasks if you have computer skills. It’s not spam when you are petitioning your legally elected representation to tell them what you want them to do for you, a citizen of their constituency.
Call, write and e-mail your every government official that reports to you from the state level up and just start raising Hell about prosecutions over the CIA’s actions. Tell them you don’t give a damn if it leads right up to George Bush’s door, tell them you don’t if THEY get arrested, tell them if it requires the arrest of deities or demi-gods you won’t take no for an answer – you want justice for all and you want it now. Tell then that you are actively organizing to help keep them out of office next time if they impede a return to the rule of law.
Then do it.
“It also highlights the individual who is most accountable for criminal violations as well as the failure of the Obama Administration to allow investigations into unlawful surveillance or torture. As the evidence of such unlawful conduct mounts, the blocking of a criminal investigation by Attorney General Holder grows more serious as an abdication of his oath to uphold our laws.”
Yep.
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/08/12598/#comment-66951
CIA Corruption
What is Karl Rove’s relation with now imprisoned CIA Dusty Foggo and deceased DC madam Palfrey? Palfrey & Foggo were extorting politicians via her escort service – Sex.
Foggo & Cheney both lived in Dallas and Karl Rove was ‘Bush’s Brain’ as both Bush’s were running for office at the time – 1993, same year Palfrey joined Foggo. At the time I myself, owner of an escort service, was asked by Houston FBI to blackmail politicians via Sex at the same time Palfrey joined Foggo. Also a madam from Alabama (Siegleman case) was imprisoned then found hanging in a federal jail cell in Brazoria County, Tx. (Tom Delay’s precinct). A madam in Dallas was given a Life sentence in Bangkok – where U.S. Sex Workers were being targeted and sent to. Madam Brandi Britton was found hanging in Maryland last year.
Prostitution, Blackmail, and Political Corruption
By Agents of the United States
Sex Slavery, Forced Prostitution, Human Trafficking, extortion, blackmail―of the most egregious kind―of U.S. Citizens by the U.S. Government
My name is Robin Head, previous owner of Playboy Escorts in Houston, Texas. I was approached by various law enforcement agency’s, FBI, ATF, etc… who wanted me to abet them in entrapping “State and political officials” having sex so they could extort, control and blackmail them, not to charge them with misdemeanor prostitution. At the same time, women at my service were being tricked and trafficked overseas to Bangkok and called me collect from a jail in Vienna.
A madam from Alabama was found hanging in a federal jail cell in nearby Brazoria County. When I refused to abet in the extortion, I was thrown in jail, no bond, a ‘Life’ sentence filed on me, and then my son and family were harassed and attacked endlessly in some kind of gang like Mafia style.
I went to the FBI, but it was like reporting the devil to the witch, they said they would help me but only if I would help them, again, to set up officials. They had no interest in the corruption aspect. Some very high profile names were involved, people seen on TV news commentary.
Who are these agents with this monstrous agenda and what do they want? This is not a left/right wing thing it is a most vicious entity in this country.
This country has become as fearful as any other 3rd world country when it comes to reporting crime to officials just exactly like in Russia, Iraq, Africa, Mexico, etc… where it is the officials that are the perpetrators of the crimes, kidnapping, ransom, drugs, and it is dangerous to report to them.
http://fbicorruption.250free.com
http://www.defraudingamerica.com/robin_head.html
Well Robin Head,
Do like Billy Sol Estes of the Johnson and John Connley milk scandal of the 60’s make sure you keep detailed records and have them given to not a family friend or anyone that really knows you but someone you can trust. This person must be able to be trusted to turn over any information you have not disclosed already, the ace in the hole so to speak. This will assure you that you will live and your family will not be harassed. That is how he lived although people had mysteriously died playing golf in Austin at midnight. Two such peoples death were ruled suicide, I guess when it is a single gun shot and a thief stole the gun it can happen. You can’t have too many open cases of political nature.
Let us not forget the poor sole in DC that that happened to during the Clinton administration. Nor cal we forget that poor young lady that was found dead in DC that had an affair with some Rep out of California. Oh yeah, his political career was ruined because of the allegations of his involvement. Her name was Chandra. Someone else was fingered later for it. The person had mental issues. OH yes another case solved once the offending congressman was out of office and no longer a threat.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/10/dem_rep_wants_to_investigate_secret_cheney_assassination_ring.html
Surveillance goes in many directions and all of these politicians (and their minions) have engaged in multiple petty and serious financial crimes. Perhaps the states where they committed these crimes could indict them on those charges. It might be the only chance of seeing them in jail or at least convicted of felonies where they must resign their office.
rafflaw,
Good idea as were those of others.
Jonathan,
You gave a fine explanation of a very complex situation. With this level of crimes it’s difficult to know where to begin. You made everything clear. Thank you.
rafflaw:
“I agree with your frustration, but the answer is the rule of law being followed, no matter who is in office.”
***********************
The law is only as good as the people administering and enforcing it. Even the Soviets had a Constitution conferring individual rights. As they say in the restaurant business, we need new cooks not better menus.
Yes you did explain it well, it took me a while to catch the segment. Is there anyway you can put up a special section of your interviews on the blog so if we miss them we can just watch them here. To bad you aren’t on one that has more viewers. Why are the other networks not calling on you. Does Countdown have you under contract is this how it works?
On JT’s interviews, I am always left wanting more. His oratory is the best, clearest and most forceful of all the interviewees these newsshows have. JT says it like it is, and is not afraid to pull punches or accuse standing officials of malfeasance. I only wish JT either had his own show, or somewhere we could see him have his whole say, rather than being constrained by interveiwers.
The most egregious, frustating problem now in big politics, is anyone who has the power to do so, is absolutely utterly and explicitly refusing to prosecute obvious federal crimes; refusing to prosecute itself under these circumstances is federal crime. The proscutors have a monopoly on prosecution, citizens can only go so far as to make citizens arrests – if there was only the right to make citizen’s prosecutions as well, there wouldn’t be this bottleneck that intentionally stymies the resolution of massive criminal enterprise at the highest levels of government.
I feel emasculated in only being able to whine about it, and beg public law enforcement officials to investigate and prosecute.
Well the dog has caught the car,now what?
To the degree accountability is shut down, democracy is shut down.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-accountability-is-plague.html
Looks like Ghana’s Minister of Foreign Affairs is a birther
http://modernghana.com/newsp/226755/1/pagenum1/obama-begins-historic-visit-to-ghana.html#continue
For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.
http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html
That is a bad link at modern ghana
bdaman wrote “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.”
That is a lie.
it is either a conscious false statement, or made with reckless disregard of its truth or falsity.
There is abundant, credible evidence that is admissable in court that Obama was born in the US.
There is nothing but rumor, hearsay, and misstatements that he was born anywhere else.
See, for example, http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/
As I have posted before, there is little tolerance for false charges about Obama’s birth at the Turley site.
The latest threads on this site on the birthers are at:
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/03/the-new-math-louisiana-governor-bobby-jindal-solves-low-school-passage-rates-by-lowering-school-standards/
and
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/17/obama-adopts-cheney-policy-and-opposes-release-of-white-house-logs/
Checking the net, the only news reports that can be accessed safely are by World Nut Daily, a wholly owned subsidiary of a millionaire birther.
So there is a question whether the statement about continent of birth was ever made.
Even if it was, that foreign minister seems to be in no position to know.
Vince Treacy I pasted, For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.”
I didn’t write it, the minister did. and the link works for me
http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html
By the way FYI all news articles that quoted Obama being born at Queens Hospital have been switched to say Kapi’Olani. Then Kapi’olani has now taken down the letter the president sent after it was posted on there website for six months. Fightthe smears website no longer available all this in the last 48 hours.
For a long article about the Nut site, take a look at:
What Is WorldNetDaily Hiding?
WorldNetDaily won’t subject itself to the transparency it demands from Barack Obama regarding his birth certificate.
By Terry Krepel
Posted 6/30/2009
Updated 7/5/2009
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndobamabirth4.html
bdaman, you posted a statement under your name without quotation marks and without attribution. You do that all the time. You paste up stuff as if you wrote it, without links or authors. We have to google the net to find the source. If you post it under your name, it is assumed by you unless you say otherwise.
You did not post that “the minister said”.
Do that the next time.
Readers, use the link at your own risk.
Thats why I put the link to the article. Hello
By the way I read the story at another blog (not World Nut) then googled it to get the direct link. I do that all the time and sometimes I use multiple search engines cause you can’t always trust Google either.
Readers, use the link at your own risk.
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bdaman: “By the way FYI all news articles that quoted Obama being born at Queens Hospital have been switched to say Kapi’Olani. Then Kapi’olani has now taken down the letter the president sent after it was posted on there website for six months. Fightthesmears website no longer available all this in the last 48 hours.”
Every statement in that paragraph is wrong or totally irrelevant. Show us a link to a news article that has been “switched.”
At Dr. Conspiracy’s site, richCares has noted, for those unfamiliar with Hawaii, that Honolulu has two hospitals, both founded by Queens: a Maternity Hospital started by Queen Kapiolani, and a Medical Center started by Queen Emma; both hospitals are often called “Queen’s Hospital.” “If it’s Maternity, it’s probably Queen Kapiolani Maternity Home, the name it went by in the 60’s (now Queen Kapiolani Medical Center).” Rich said “these two Hospitals are often confused. If looking for Queens Hospital either may come up, so some made a mistake.
“However Obama and his family never varied in stating where he was born, Queen Kapiolani.
“Birthers trying to use a simple mistake to bolster their ignorant story, that’s normal for idiots grasping at straws. Yes, the birth certificate issue is over.”
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/07/hawaii-homelands-declares-short-form-good-enough/comment-page-9/#comment-13285
PS, The facility was originally opened by Queen Kapi’olani as the Kapi’olani Maternity Home in 1890[wiki]. Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii’s mothers and their babies, Queen Kapi’olani opened the Kapi’olani Maternity Home in 1890. From its inception, the hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women and children [official website].
There is a upi.com story out there that made this mistake.
The hospital still displays the letter on its site, and has it framed in its lobby.
Bdaman was certain that Maya Soetoro told reporters that Obama was born at Queens Medical Center, but I posted the original newsletter which showed that she was never quoted to that effect. The reporter, a high school student said it, and he made a mistake. No response yet.
Fight the Smears was a campaign website. The campaign is over. The birth certificate issue is over. Get over it.
Bdaman: “Kapi’olani has now taken down the letter the president sent after it was posted on there website for six months.”
WHAT in the world are you talking about? WHERE did you paste this up from?
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/press_room/Publications/Inspire%20Magazine%20Spring%202009.pdf
The letter is proudly displayed on page 8 of the pdf.
Wiki has an entire entry entitled “Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories,” with links and references to innumerable sites, articles, lawsuits and legislation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America’s secret theocrats
By Jeffrey Sharlet
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525
Jill posted the above link to another thread. It’s a must read.
Here’s another, more current link about “The Family”, titled “Washington’s secretive religious power sect” (Rachel Maddow, a couple of nights ago):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#31857408
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/11/bush-administration-accused-of-cover-up-of-massacre-of-taliban-prisoners/#comment-67056
Refer to the previous thread for Jill’s remarks. I am reposting mine here.
Jill is right — “The Family” clip is a must-see and truly alarming. I would agree that “we have had a coup in our own country.” And many Americans seem too busy to care and/or react.
My experiences comport with some sort of process or program that is absolutely contrary to the rule of law and, yet, it continues. Because there is no evidence, those who should be helping (local law enforcement and/or the FBI) make the claim that their hands are tied until “someone is hurt” or there is tangible evidence. In some cases, they take it a step further and “blame the victims”, apparently going to great lengths to do so.
Those involved in what seems to be some sort of “out of control” parallel (and arbitrary) justice system target individuals, keep them under unbelievably close surveillance, attempt to discredit them, and enter homes surreptitiously. There have been cases of vandalism and theft of personal property. It’s a sadistic, Machiavellian process that strips people of their 4th Amendment rights and leaves them with no recourse. It’s taking place in plain sight, but under the radar of most Americans. These are clearly campaigns of psychological harassment.
There is no justification for these campaigns of terror against many good, law-abiding, patriotic Americans. When the targets speak out, they are dismissed and labeled as paranoid or delusional. It’s a pretty brilliant scheme that permits what appears to be a state-sanctioned process to continue unabated.
I would stake my life on these claims — I know that what I’m saying is true beyond any shadow of a doubt.
These are truly perilous times. Someone needs to expose and stop what is yet another “program” being carried out all across America. We’re in “a world of trouble”, as it’s been said.
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Anon, thanks for the links. I was happy that Rachel on Friday night stressed the tax exempt status of the house on C St.
The house at 133 C St SE is exempt from property tax as religious E-1. This does not appear to be legal. The DC tax law is clear: exempt property must be used for worship, study, training, and missionary activities, or be reasonably required and actually used for the carrying on of the activities and purposes:
QUOTE ON DC ST § 47-1002
Chapter 10. Property Exempt from Taxation
Title 47. Taxation, Licensing, Permits, Assessments, and Fees.
Only the following real property shall be exempt from taxation in the District of Columbia:
(13) Churches, including buildings and structures reasonably necessary and usual in the performance of the activities of the church. A church building is one primarily and regularly used by its congregation for public religious worship;
(14) Buildings belonging to religious corporations or societies primarily and regularly used for religious worship, study, training, and missionary activities,
(15) Pastoral residences actually occupied as such by the pastor, rector, minister, or rabbi of a church; provided, that such pastoral residence be owned by the church or congregation for which said pastor, rector, minister, or rabbi officiates; and provided further, that not more than 1 such pastoral residence shall be so exempt for any 1 church or congregation;
(16) Episcopal residences owned by a church and used exclusively as the residence of a bishop of such church;
(18)(A) Grounds belonging to and reasonably required and actually used for the carrying on of the activities and purposes of any institution or organization entitled to exemption under the provisions of §§ 47-1002, 47-1005, and 47-1007 to 47-1010. UNQUOTE
For the lawyers at this site, it is my view that a property used as a residence is not exempt, unless used by the pastor. I have checked the records and found that if a church buys a private house, it stays on the tax rolls, even if a church staff member is allowed to rent it.
So 133 C St SE is a residence and should not be exempt from the property tax.
Access the record at https://www.taxpayerservicecenter.com/RP_Search.jsp?search_type=Assessment
Plug in 133 C St SE, Click on square lot 0733 0825. Then click “view payments.”
Assessment, one point eight million, taxes zero.
Link to msnbc. If you get redirected from this link you got PC problems.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31860520/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times
Look at the sign on the bus
Friends of Obama, Welcome Home
This is why he didn’t want to go to Kenya to avoid all of this.
A “welcome home” sign in Ghana proves to you that Obama was born in Kenya? This is logic?
Obama was welcomed home to the continent of his father’s birth by excited and admiring Africans, just as Kennedy was welcomed back to the island of his ancestors’ birth by excited and admiring Irishmen and Irishwomen. There is are more than one meaning to “welcome home.”
bdaman, you have said that you doubt that that Lance Armstrong landed on the Moon. Or was it Louis Armstrong? Or Jack Armstrong, the All American Boy? Nothing will ever convince YOU that there is no conspiracy.
I have posted rebuttals and links for all the false charges made so far so that the readers here can make their own judgments. As I said, paste-ups of birther mythes will be answered at the Turley site.
I will let my posts stand for themselves.
On the topic of this thread, there is a new CRS Report that has been obtained and analyzed by Secrecy News, http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/
See Sensitive Covert Action Notifications: Oversight Options for Congress, July 7, 2009: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/R40691.pdf
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31867022/ns/politics-the_new_york_times
Panetta is spillin da beans
Torture is back on the burner
http://www.newsweek.com/id/206300
Not only should Holder appoint a Special Prosecutor for these clowns on Monday (Sunday if Monday is inconvenient) but the next sound Cheney, Bush, Yoo, Addington, Bibee, et.al. should hear are the multiple clicks of the US Marshall Service’s handcuffs going around their collective wrists….
The VERY NEXT video on all possible media outlets are the public Perp Walks of everyone involved…ESPECIALLY BUSH AND CHENEY…It would be a very, very good day for all the rest of us…
Has Cheney had an assassination squad operating out of the White House since 2001?
Washington D.C. is a criminal organization masquerading as a democratic government.
I’m a bit afraid to speak with pictures, so I won’t.
But Jill is very informed, as is Mike and Buddha and Mespo. What a great bunch of patriots.
Always an indelible read here and that’s good enough.
Glenn Greenwald
Sunday July 12, 2009 08:13 EDT
The Holder trial balloon: Abu Ghraib redux
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/12/holder/index.html
Holder is simply and miserably Obama’s Coward of Obstruction. Prosecuting Obama and Holder could start us in the right direction. We need mass arrests by the military in Washington D.C.
I’m a bit afraid to speak with pictures, so I won’t.
But Jill is very informed, as is Mike and Buddha and Mespo. What a great bunch of patriots.
Always an indelible read here and that’s good enough.
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I agree re Mike and Mespo. Jill and Buddha are a tad paranoid for my tastes.
That ain’t too nice Patty C. You have been warned by the Professor. Show respect, you disagree keep it to your self you drunken winch.
I call it like I see it. If you don’t like it, tough.
Jeremy Scahill, who has been held up by Jill more often than I care to recall, has written at length on Gitmo, but he has never actually been there.
I love Bill Maher as he has provocative guests on his show, but as is often the case more recently, when I saw Jeremy Scahill there, I experienced him as a bit of a wacko, frankly. Which is probably why Bill had him on…
Obama is not Bush. He is not responsible for his crimes and I don’t have to listen to anyone who accuses him unfairly.
I am drunk with power on the Turley blog!
Everybody is trembling in awe of my elite status.
Boy, I am one powerful bitch! I had no idea.
‘Let them eat cake’, seems trite…
Vince,
Thank-you for all your very through work in battling the bizarre birthers and other phony baloney trolls!
Thank you, CEJ
You might be drunk that I can not disagree with what you do with Yoo, no one cares but when you are offensive against who, we will all give you your due.
Anybody whose opinion matters around here knows that I consider John Yoo a disgrace as a lawyer as author of the torture memos.
Nice try though, AY.
My sarcasm obviously went way over your head, but your cyberbabble and signature stellar wordsmith abilities, on the other hand, are a dead giveaway – every time.
Patty C
Anybody whose opinion matters around here knows that I consider John Yoo a disgrace as a lawyer as author of the torture memos.
Nice try though, AY.
My sarcasm obviously went way over your head, but your cyberbabble and signature stellar wordsmith abilities, on the other hand, are a dead giveaway – every time.
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Well we certainly know your opinion sucks worse that the coast of Maine and is akin to how Rhode Island came to get its grant as an Original Colony. You must agree with the premise of Yoo as you keep posting here and Torturing souls without any remorse. So by default you must have adopted the memo’s and agree.
Your sarcasm is lost only on onto the author of the same. As you have to be able to understand what it is you are attempting to communicate or you are a fool for attempting to do so, this clearly you have grave difficulties doing.
However, I am rest assured you will understand the following attributed to Henny Youngman but could have been written as your life script:
“A drunk was in front of a judge. The judge say,s “You’ve been brought here for drinking.” The drunk says, “Okay, let’s get started.”
Or you in your claimed medical practice as the Nurse says:
“Doctor, the man you just gave a clean bill of health to dropped dead right as he was leaving the office”. Doctor: “Turn him around, make it look like he was walking in.”
So please do not attribute anything to me unless you know for certain I did in fact say it.
I so agree with Gary T way upthread about wanting more of JT’s excellent oratory skills. I saw him on Friday’s Countown where he was talking illegal surveillance. JT was saying that Dems love to uncover crimes, but they don’t like to prosecute them and that if they did investigate, the trail would lead all the way up to Bush and (this is the part I didn’t understand) “no Democrat wants to indict him.”
Can somebody ’splain this to me. I’m a Democrat and I’d love to indict Bush. Why did JT say that “no Democrat wants to indict him [Bush]“?
cybergal619, I think that Democrats are afraid of that old saw that “what goes around comes around.” The fear is that Republicans will paint any investigation as a political witch hunt and will look for revenge when their electoral fortunes improve. Pres. Obama fears that prosecutions will harm his ability to enact his domestic agenda. AG Holder fears that once an investigation is commenced, he will be unable to control its scope and depth. All of these fears are probably well-founded, but illegitimate in my opinion.
Can somebody ’splain this to me. I’m a Democrat and I’d love to indict Bush. Why did JT say that “no Democrat wants to indict him [Bush]“?
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I trust he meant Dems in Congress, because he certainly wasn’t speaking for me on that score, either.
There are still things coming out that we didn’t know before. If Holder is feeling a need to control it, perhaps he’s doing so, now, before he commences it.
Too many years of heartbreak have gone by for it to turn out any other way but well. Not if I have anything to say about it.
I don’t have to have it fast. I want it right.
IT’S BACCKKK….
“documents obtained by Wired also point to a possible resurrection of the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program. Shortly after 9/11, the government sought to build TIA, a mammoth data mining operation that would trawl through an extensive list of databases containing personal information about Americans – including communications, medical, travel, education and financial data – in an attempt to detect supposedly “suspicious” patterns. Congress shut down the program amid bipartisan objections that it was the most far-reaching domestic surveillance proposal that had ever been offered. The ACLU has long suspected that the congressional dissent over and public demise of the Pentagon’s TIA program would result in a concealed and more invasive version of the program.
“It is not only troubling that the FBI is collecting this vast amount of information, but also that the information remains in the possession of the FBI, whether or not it is relevant to suspected criminal activity or reliable,” said Christopher Calabrese, ACLU Legislative Counsel. “The way this collection and retention works, if you happened to be staying at the same hotel or renting a car the same day as someone currently under FBI investigation, your private information is swept up and locked into one of these databases forever. The presumption of innocence is turned on its head and everyone becomes a suspect.”
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/09/24-25