New York City Erases Bike Lanes to Appease Hasidic Men Who Object to Seeing Women in Bike Shorts

There is an interesting controversy in Brooklyn after the city yielded to the Hasidic community in sandblasting off bike lanes on roads. Hasidic leaders complained that they are having trouble obeying their religious law forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex with women biking around in shorts. Bicycle advocates have been trying to repaint the lanes.

The Hasidic community has long viewed this enclave as their special area, even though other families and artists have moved in recently. That has caused trouble with the Shomrim Patrol, a Hasidic neighborhood watch group. The Shomrim recently apprehended two cycling advocates who were repainting the lane and called the police. No charges were filed but the bikers were prevented from repainting the lane.

I find it incredible that the city would yield to such demands by a religious group to erase bike lanes. A Department of Transportation spokesman said: “We will continue to work with any community on ways we can make changes to our streets without compromising safety.” However, this is a religious-based objection to women who are not covered. Yet, reports indicate that Mayor Bloomberg wanted to appease the Hasidic community before his recently close election.

Hasidic leaders say that the cyclists endanger families and children. However, this is not the view of the city in creating these lanes and they are found in every major city. The real objection appears to be their lifestyle and the rigid religious beliefs of this sect. It is a clearly improper decision that uses city resources to enforce values of a single religious group.

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317 thoughts on “New York City Erases Bike Lanes to Appease Hasidic Men Who Object to Seeing Women in Bike Shorts

  1. Ah but the good Hasidic has not followed the teaching of his faith and take personal responsibility of ones self. He should be plucking his eye out. He now has that image struck in the mind. Moses would not be pleased as he has committed adultery in his minds eye.

    Or is this more about controlling these unyielding women that have not submitted to the male authority figure?

    Moses would still not be pleased….Which one of the core practices of the 613 mitzvo’s has been violated?

  2. nal, nal, nal,

    Then they would have to put pants on and it would still be possible to get the garb caught in the sprockets. I still vote for plucking his own eye out as he has already committed adultery in his mind I am sure.

  3. you did not allow for others to state a faith either. So how would you state a belief in atheism? do they go to meetings with like minded individuals? How do they unite to have enough to be recognized as a belief?

  4. Amazing, isn’t it? that in the Twenty-first Century politicians feel they must appease a sub-culture, a sect, a cult which refuses to teach its own members to respect the individuality and privacy of those of us who participate in the greater society and its mores. If the members of the cult in question are offended by the sight of a woman’s bare leg it is their problem, not the City of New York’s.

    The members of this tiny Jewish subcultural sect wear suits a hundred years out of style and have never felt the edge of a razor on their faces. This somehow indicates they have a direct phone line to some god or other. Therefore, in deference to this tiny cult’s “holiness,” the secular political leaders of New York City acquiesce to their ridiculous demands. Utter nonsense.

    It is not just New York City but the entire Western World which, I believe, has gone too far in kowtowing to the wishes of old men who wear funny clothes be they members of a fundamentalist Jewish sect or the crossing dressing leaders of a major Christian sect, Iranian ayatollahs and Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi who looks as if he’s just returned from the local Renaissance Faire.

  5. NYC v. Case Law

    FAIL.

    You’ve both created an effective endorsement AND excessive entanglement. Nice job.

  6. Byron,

    Manger scenes being up in the first place is the problem. Government and religion are bad mix. That’s why the Founding Fathers went out of their way to make ours a secular government. It’s just been 200 years of zealots attacking that wise decision that is the problem. The word “God” shouldn’t be on our currency or in the Pledge – also the doing of fundie zealots. God isn’t American and most Americans who claim he is “on their side” wouldn’t recognize Jesus actual teachings if he clubbed them over the head with the lessons.

  7. Byron–

    “the flood gates were opened when manger scenes were taken down.”

    How does that open the flood gates for other religious groups to have their demands met by public officials?

  8. Buddha:

    I understand those issues. I think a good bit of this kind of thing is a reaction to pulling manger scenes down from city hall. The old “hey he is doing it why cant I” thing.

    People are emboldened by the ACLU suing a city to block a manger scene so they think hey we can do it the other way around and say we are being discriminated against because of our religion.

    As I have said before just let everyone put up a display and it will all end of it’s own accord.

  9. Elaine:

    “pedalphiliacs” great word.

    They use religion as a stick as these people are doing. And they are being consistent with the people who are taking religious symbols away. Mostly Christian symbols and mostly because someone would be offended. So these people are offended, it makes sense to me. Maybe I am off base but that is what it seems like.

  10. Byron–

    “As I have said before just let everyone put up a display and it will all end of it’s own accord.”

    I doubt that strategy would work. Remember this?

    Pruning the Tree of Knowledge: Religious Advocates Vandalize Atheist Tree and Officials Demand That It Be Shortened By Eight Feet To Be Lower Than The Christmas Tree

    http://jonathanturley.org/2009/12/04/pruning-the-tree-of-knowledge-religious-advocates-vandalize-atheist-tree-and-officials-demand-that-it-be-shorten-by-eight-feet-to-be-lower-than-the-christmas-tree/

  11. This clearly violates our Constitution. If the city yields to one religious group’s insane demands, they will need to yield to any other’s as well. This yielding to religionists has no place in a secular govt. No theocracy functions well as a govt. NONE of our politicians should pander to theocrats of any kind. It disgusts me that politicians so readily trade out the rights of women for getting elected.

    Again, notice the hatred of women in these fundamentalists sects. Also note that the men fail to take any responsibility for their own behavior (as others noted above). Don’t want to see women on bikes? Don’t look so hard. Politicians, you seem to hate women as well. Guess what, women vote. Go to Hell.

  12. Bryon,

    No one is taking away anyone’s religious symbols. You can put religious symbols on any private property that you want. There are plenty of manger scenes in the churches all over town, no one is denied seeing or touching a manger scene.

    The state may not favor one religion over another, or no religion at all. This is an example of a govt. complying with a specific religion’s belief system. That is so completely offensive and unconstitutional I don’t understand how anyone who values our system of govt. would condone it, even for a second.

  13. Buddha: “The word “God” shouldn’t be on our currency or in the Pledge ”

    right said, although we shouldn’t have a pledge to begin with

    Byron : As I have said before just let everyone put up a display and it will all end of it’s own accord

    it will not end until the false prophets get their way and turn this Country into a theocracy that allows them to control every facet of American life.

  14. also Byron, don’t forget that last year when the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Ramen) was placed on a courthouse lawn in Crossville Tennessee the end result was that all statues were removed.

    more sensible not to allow them in the first place

  15. C. Everett:

    that is a concern, but then they would be competing with the group that doesn’t want us to smoke, or eat high fat food, have firearms or home school, and wants us to wear seat belts and helmets and limit other choices.

    I guess I am stuck in the middle of a family feud between moronic siblings who want to be the ones telling everyone else what is right and wrong.

  16. C. Everette:

    the Flying Spaghetti Monster was removed, now that is a travesty of justice. Why would anyone stoop so low.

    People are way to serious about this stuff. They must not have much faith in their beliefs.

  17. Byron

    “the flood gates were opened when manger scenes were taken down”

    This may not be your most inane statement, but it’s sure to be in the top five.

    Mangers are no problem on private property. Got it!! You can have the manger scene you wish at your chrurch, office, front yard. You can have a scene totooed on your head if you wish. It’s only when such thing appear on PUBLIC PROPERTY where this is an issue. If that’s not enough freedom of religion for you, that’s just too bad. That’s the law, no more, no less.

  18. I think those women who like to bike around Brooklyn wearing shorts should complain to Mayor Bloomberg–and tell him that those unshaven men dressed in strange-looking getups appear unclean and creepy–and that the women can’t bear to look upon them without feeling afraid.

  19. All the while, the Hasidic communities men have no problem having their hands et al. all over prepubesent girls’ body parts located above the knees.

  20. “Hasidic leaders complained that they are having trouble obeying their religious law forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex with women biking around in shorts.”

    If the Hasidic are “having trouble obeying their religious law”, isn’t that on them?? How is this the fault/responsibility of the female bikers or the City of New York?

    I weigh too much, but it’s not the fault of Dominos Pizza that I can’t show any self-control when it comes to eating.

  21. Elaine M.,

    Do not forget to inform the City officials that your coven has a special covenant with the gods of your understanding. And that Ghost busters was just a peremptory view of the purgatory that will visit the city.

  22. Swarthmore mom–

    “I don’t think calling Hasidic men “creepy and unclean” is respectful of diversity.”

    You’re right–it isn’t. That’s my point. The Hasidic men didn’t approve of the way the women were dressed. Those men complained about women biking in shorts because THEY had a problem looking at their bare knees/legs and then got the city to remove biking lanes. I think that shows that those men don’t have much respect for the rights of women.

  23. rcampbell:

    “This may not be your most inane statement, but it’s sure to be in the top five.”

    Thank you for that endorsement. I try my best but sometimes I fall short. But hopefully, in the near future, I can say something that you really think is inane. I restrain myself most days.

  24. I too have the same edict as Tsutsugamushi although mine is rooted in philosophical choice rather than religious dogma and ergo has nothing to do with the state. My reasoning is that if you weren’t supposed to look, women wouldn’t be pleasing to look at. Even women look at other women (and not in a sexual way either [necessarily]). This is not a secret. From “Isn’t she just beautiful?” to “My what an interesting fashion choice . . . but it looks good on you.” If you have women friends or a wife or a girlfriend, you know this is true. Yes, women are by nature designed to be seen by us guys and the female competition. If they weren’t, L’Oreal and Victoria’s Secret would make watch batteries or spatulas or something. It’s the primary way women got our brutish male ancestors to pay attention to them (and ergo help keep them alive in a world where being a strong killer was a survival advantage) instead of killing and eating – activities which many man seem capable of doing for prolonged periods of time left to their own devices.

    It falls under that “water is wet” and “food is tasty” part of human nature. If it’s a “mistake”, you shouldn’t be taking it up with the city, but rather with the anthropomorphic sky god you’re all so excited about.

    To resist the tao is to invite disaster.

  25. So the Hasidic men would rather put bicyclists in danger than summon up enough self control and virtue to deal with their problems themselves?

    Doesn’t sound like much of a religion to me.

  26. Jill got it right. First, the imposition of restrictions on the freedom to travel public roads purely out of deference to religious sensibilities springs from the same mentality that imposes restrictions on freedom of speech by prohibiting language insulting to religious belief.

    Second, if one fears being overcome with lust at the sight of a woman in shorts, the solution is not to look, closely followed by a visit to one’s shrink. The views of the Hasidic community in this instance mirror those of people who blame rape victims for “asking for it” by wearing clothing deemed provocative.

    If minimal self-control is out of the question for these folks, perhaps they should purchase blinders from the company that supplies the carriage drivers in Central Park.

  27. oh please, i used to see these f*&kers’ old station wagons lined up on the prostitution blocks on saturday nights, getting their blowjobs. and i’ve stood next to more than one on a subway, with a porn mag inside their religious papers. they should join their brethren in misogyny, the taliban in afghanistan if we’re too loose here.

  28. Never, I say never, should any religious group influence the government when it infringes on the rights of others.

    Simple solution. If looking away won’t work, moving away should do the trick!

  29. I knew that Jews control much of Washington but I didn’t realize that their influence extended down to the local level as well.

    I really don’t know why society tolerates these pathetic anachronisms who live in the past.

    Then, of course, I guess all ‘believers’ live in the past! When are we going to progress to a religion-free world?

  30. These Hasidic are not being hypocritical. All goyim are subhuman in their eyes. Stupid, backward, and superstitious, sure, but hypocritical? No way. I wish I hope the law suits been filed already. Can a private citizen bring an action against a govermentment official under the honest services theory? I know these suits have been brought as shareholder suits.

    Does this mayor really need the Hasidic vote that bad???

  31. And just how does this differ from attempting to impose Sharia Law?

    As a result of this I know that I now won’t be buying that expensive Christmas-gift camera from a Hasidic-owned camera store in New York. I’ll spend a few dollars more to buy one from someone who doesn’t disapprove of my bike shorts.

  32. Women (and men) in shorts, in large organized numbers (Where is NOW?) should bicycle through the community across the width of the street on a reoccurring basis until the lanes are restored. If ever there was an apt use for the label ‘CIVIL rights’ issue/protest…

  33. “Hasidic leaders complained that they are having trouble obeying their religious law forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex with women biking around in shorts.”

    As others have said, THEN STOP STARING.

    If a Hasidic man is having trouble obeying his religious law by turning his eyes away, it speaks to him and his own unholiness.

    Getting rid of female bicyclists simply makes entrance into heaven more *convenient* for those who don’t deserve to go there. It makes things more *inconvenient* for God, who then must quickly pick out who the hellbound Hasidics are when they make their occasional ventures down into Manhattan and stare at the hot girls on display down there.

  34. The hassidic sect in Williamsburgh, Brooklyn is known as the Satmar. They are in fact a cult within Judaisms and not an important one at that. I as a Jew would not be welcome to their prayer services, which is a violation of Jewish Law, but being a cult the Satmar don’t see the inconsistency. Incidentally, before someone brings it up they are opposed to Israel’s existence. They wield political power in their area because like any cult they vote as a block. I personally despise all they believe in as a Jew and their views are outside of normative Judaism.

  35. MikeS, Thanks also for the info. It seemed strange that this would come up now unless there is a back-story of conflict that has not been covered by the media. I was thinking that women in shorts have probably been bicycling through their community for years but until the mayor needed their vote it wasn’t an issue to be taken seriously. Or, has this particular sect been gaining political power in the greater hassidic community of late? I’ll do a Google but you seem to have info that might be more up to date and/or personal.

  36. If these Hasidic Jews can’t keep their woodies under control, then perhaps,
    they should stop looking at womens crotches, butts and all that other woody raising skin, hidden under bike shorts. This is nothing more than insecure men showing their hatred for women and trying to disguise it and justify it, using their religious beliefs, to condone it.

    Sounds like Sheria to me.

  37. Buck-
    That’s exactly right- these guys are cheating! They’ve painted the streets so that the creatures God created from Adam’s rib (lovely women, thighs, butts, asses, mmm), to distinguish the holy from the hellbound, are out of sight! Just how the hell is God supposed to know then who deserves to go to heaven?

  38. This offends my daily practices. I sincerely hope that one plucks its eyes out if they are so justly offended.

  39. AY–

    I’d advise against your bicycling through that section of Brooklyn while wearing those dandy green shorts of yours. You have mighty good-looking gams–if I do say so myself!

  40. One should be able to ride anywhere in the US they want to – no limits. IF these loons object – move back to Israel and STFU !!!

  41. Hey Mike Spindell, you should infiltrate them Hasidic Jews to tell them about your hippie days and what they have been a’missin’!

  42. Elaine M.,

    Are you per chance an Orwellian at heart? Is your Bow Tie really a camera? How did you know that I have such good looking gam’s? I do by the way, winking or because I am male I oink?

  43. FF LEO,

    I do believe Mike S. did indeed tell us of when he worked in NYC and the political clout they have as they vote in blocks.

  44. “Or, has this particular sect been gaining political power in the greater hassidic community of late?”

    LK,
    I was rushing out so didn’t get to write much. The Satmar haven’t been gaining in political power, as far as I know, because they are far out of the mainstream and not very respectful of other Jews. For instance they hate the Lubavitcher Hassidic Sect which is located about four miles away in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Both these groups have political power because they can deliver votes with close to unanimity. In politics that translates into power even if your numbers aren’t great.

    To me both of these groups are more cults than anything else. They have their own schools and while their education is broader than in some of the Muslim extremist schools, their insularity is similar. Marriages within the community are generally arranged and discipline and obedience to the powers that be are expected. The outside world to the Satmar’s is considered alien, but they have more enmity for other Jews who they see as not following “the Satmar” letter of the law, than they do for non-Jews.

    The Lubavitcher Hassidim are much more part of the world and they are welcoming to all Jews. I worked as a NYC liaison with them for a time in the early 70’s and while I wasn’t impressed and felt them to be “cultlike,” though all in all they weren’t bad people and could be talked to.

    Anyone who thinks of the Jewish Community as “homogenous” in practice and belief doesn’t know much of Jews. Jews are as I’ve said before a contentious lot and broadly opinionated. The Hassidic tradition was begun by the Jewish Philosopher the “Baal Shem Tov” (“Master of the Good Name”), which you can Google or Wiki if interested. He developed a philosophic tradition in the 18th Century. The most important aspect of his philosophy was his belief that God can be reached through ecstacy, rather than ascetically. After him there was a splitting off of followers, each with their own interpretations. There developed a number of sects which basically remained somewhat true to the belief but followed different leaders. From being a radical interpretation of Judaism as the years passed they became more and more traditional and stuck in a time warp. Think of the Amish, but able to use modern technology.

    To be honest for me this is such a broad subject and so subjective to Jews, that it’s difficult for me to express myself tersely and to go on and on would not only be boring to non-Jews, but I lack the ability to correctly do the job. Suffice it to say that I think that NYC government is stupid to give into these demands, but then I like Bloomberg only to the extent that he is not Rudy G. and probably not as corrupt, which isn’t saying much.

  45. FF LEO–

    They KNOW what they’re missing. They just can’t bear to be reminded of it when looking at those short-wearing femmes fatales biking down the streets of Brooklyn.

  46. AY to Elaine: “Is your Bow Tie really a camera?”

    AY, are you accusing our ‘old friend’ Elaine of being a spy for the vast, underground, free-thinking, free-versing Porty conspiracy? Shame on you.

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    Clever, veeeeeeery clever AY; now I’m going to have that Simon and Garfunkle song echoing around my head the rest of the night :-)

  47. Mike S, Thanks for the information. I am always surprised at what interesting and generally innovative ideas (for the time) give rise to traditions and beliefs. It’s a constant challenge to keep reminding myself that when associating or attributing motives to groups it has to be a pointillist approach, you just can’t use a paint roller.

    I had as best friends a fundamentalist Christian and a Jehovah’s Witness’s. We were all in our early twenties and they weren’t adhering to their religions but they did talk about them a lot. I was an alien, by that time I had left the RRC and was atheist so we had some interesting and weird conversations. I realized Christians came in many flavors real fast.

    “God can be reached through ecstacy”. In the 18th Century. Wow. I will Google Baal Shem Tov. I seem to remember that being a popular endeavor in the 60’s-early 70’s in some circles and as a premise for a new “Martian” religion in an in a Heinlein book. It’s an idea with staying power, I’ll give it that.

  48. I busy myself during the day only to pop on over to Prof Turley’s website and be DEPRESSED at the state of enlightenment in the world!

    Seriously, are we going backwards???????

  49. Mike S.

    Thank you for taking the time to write such an interesting and informative piece.
    =================================================================

    Many politicians are easily bullied by “block” voters as is obviously the case with Bloomberg. All the negative publicity that he and the community who successfully bullied him receive is just reward for their collective lack of character.

    I trust the citizens of New York to stand fast in their resolve to get their bike lanes back and to have a great deal of fun in doing so.

  50. I, like the Hasidics, am offended by woman (or men) appearing semi-naked in public. I don’t see how the lines make any difference except as protest since bikers don’t need the lines to pass by. Unless bikers cannot ride on the roads without bike lanes.

    Isn’t the clarion call of the Libertarian that everyone should be free to do what they want up to the point that it infringes on the rights of others, then at that juncture, the law can step in?

    What right does any of us have to walk around in public semi-naked (or suggestively)? I don’t think any. I’m sure a case against it might be made because we already draw a line on this issue. The question at hand in the larger issue is where to draw the line and who wins in the debate about drawing it.

    I think a case is already made in law and medicine that exposing children is adult nudity is not a good idea. What case ought we then make about exposing them to near nudity or semi-nudity? I think this is something we should discuss in our communities because children are affected by this public conduct. I once attended a play for children with my child at a local theater. It was really a BAD play, but there was one annoying feature of some of the dancers: they appeared to be naked. Every time they took they stage, the children all around us kept say “naked”, “no clothes on”, etc., etc. It thoroughly distracted the children and me. I actually thought they were naked too.

    This was not a good idea to even dress people to look nude.

    Most beaches in America do not allow public nudity. Some do not even allow thong-style bathing suits. There is a reason for this and the reason is sensible, even scientific.

    The reasons are even practical. If the streets are loaded with half-naked individuals and one wants to avoid looking at them, passage becomes next to impossible if not dangerous as one averts the eyes continually. Who can walk around normally if he has to not look where he is going? But what unusual danger or imposition does a person experience being adequately covered?

    When people do not respect others in public, these problems arise. Young boys (I’m talking about little ones under the age of 10) are continually exposed to adult womens’ bodies in public, and men may joke about this (if they do I consider them perverts) but I consider this exposure a form of sexual harassment. I consider it barbaric and depraved.

    I find it to be a glaring moral error on the part of liberally minded women who claim to be interested in justice (usually found hugging trees, kittens, and bottled water) to not give a hoot about little children exposed to semi-nude adult bodies in public. These women are virtually silent about this form of assault on children.

    Boys are surely not in the position of having the maturity to fend off these images or understand the sexual nature of them, or how their brains are wired regarding the female human body.

    And I think that a case can be made that civilizations which allowed public nudity and semi-nudity were corrupt civilizations–even advanced ones. The advanced Greeks and Romans both had much public nudity and it went hand in hand with slavery.

    When you look at the most esteemed among us, judges, Kings and Queens, graduating students, brides: the more fabric, the more honor. When you look at how wicked people treat the oppressed or the captive, forcing them to strip naked is a favorite way to humiliate them. Think Abu Grhaib.

    Leftists will continually mock Christians (and apparently devout Jews) who complain about nudity on TV and tell them to just turn the TV off. Fair enough. But once that pours out into the streets it is not fair to then demand people walk around half-blind to avoid it.

    I stopped watching the Olympics because the female outfits got sluttier and sluttier over the years. How is it that men can ice skate adequately or even perhaps better, fully clothed, but the women are forced (there are rules for this) to expose their crotches and butts to the public? The same goes for gymnasts.

    There is something perverse about this.

    And yes, I think the swim suits they wear in the Olympics are obscene. Do I think it is worth it for a culture to promote frivolous public activities if it requires semi-nude dressing?

    No.

  51. You have a problem.

    With one piece bathing suits.

    (Insert Lewis Black double-take here.)

    Well Tootles, I think you’ve hit upon solution with your post about Muslims.

    Tootie 1, December 11, 2009 at 6:42 am

    We should not permit Muslims to immigrate to this country.

    Ever.

    http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/02/leading-english-muslim-endorses-the-killing-and-raping-of-non-muslims/#comment-97020

    We should just not allow women to immigrate here either.

    And to keep all us sinners from looking at them? We should abort every female foetus too. Just to be safe. You don’t want them to grow up and have breasts! Never can tell when Tootles isn’t going to be able to control himself! You randy rascal you!

    Oh, I’m sorry! Is the abortion thing going too far for you and your anthropomorphic sky god? Take it up with Him.

    He’s the one who intelligently designed you to be a busybody undersexed overstimulated prude who takes out their feelings of sexual inadequacy by attacking women’s rights. He did give you eyelids. Well. I hope he did, but hey, there is no lifeguard in the gene pool.

    You need a leash. Your dogma is going to get run over by some karma if you keep letting it play out in the street without any coherent supervision like that.

    Did I mention the Muslim post was a fine display of bigotry?

    Good show.

    This is assuming your goal was to shred any credibility you might have had and your preference for propagation of the species involves a petrie dish.

  52. “I don’t see how the lines make any difference except as protest since bikers don’t need the lines to pass by. Unless bikers cannot ride on the roads without bike lanes.”

    I acknowledge your point that bicyclists are molesting small children by wearing their necessary biking attire as they pass by them at 14 mph, although I respectfully disagree.

    But have you ever been put in a position where you have to ride a bike as your only transportation, as I have been? Have you ever even ridden a bike, you nitwit? The bike lane isn’t there for “protest”, it’s needed to reduce accidents. A road without a bike lane has people driving their cars over where it would be. I almost got killed on a road with no bike lane one morning on the way to work, by a guy who was almost hitting the left rear mirrors on parked cars along the street. And riding on the sidewalk is illegal.

    I have a perfect right to walk around half-naked, BTW.

  53. maverratick,

    I never thought of people riding by children on bikes as child molesters but as you point it out, it makes perfect sense.

  54. Buddha Isn’t Laughing:

    So, women have a religious code that sanctifies sexual slavery? And their…um….ancient leader had sex with a 9 year old when she was in her mid fifties, and women today still love her anyway?

    I’m with ya bro, keep the women out.

  55. Maverrick:

    You quoted from my post but I never said anything about child molesters. And, yes, you have a right to walk around nekked. In your own house, for example.

  56. Tootie,

    Personally, I think those bicyclists are just asking to get hit by a car, just look at the way they dress.

    In all seriousness: Laws in the US do not exist to enforce moral codes, they exist to protect freedom, property, health, etc. That’s why it’s not illegal for me to have an affair. That’s why it’s not illegal for me to tell my son Mickey Mouse is real. Heck I’m not even legally required to obey the golden rule.

  57. Ah, just in time for Christmas, another wonderful story about the Jews. (-;

    This is ridiculous, of course, and until the local Jewry seal off the neighborhood and make it entirely private, they really ought to respect others. But they don’t. I say this as a Jew who knows the orthodoxy all too well, and the way they look at the world is simple: “If it matters to me, you must do it; if it matters to YOU, who cares.”

    What this particular overstepping points out more than anything is that the local pols are completely beholden to the local Jewish community.

    I’ve spoken to my Jewish brethren about this many times: Isolation breeds contempt. With this bike lane issue, you may think you’ve won, but you just made a whole lot of people think you are absurd, overbearing, and totally unfair. The sad thing is, I know you don’t care a whit about what others think.

    And that is the problem.

  58. Not surprising that the most misogynistic religion in the city full of sexual repressed men, who are some of the biggest client of the hookers in town, would push for such a loony thing.

  59. Gyges:

    The idea protecting freedom, property, and person is part of a moral code.

    An affair could be illegal if the people wished. I’m reporting you to Santa about the Mickey thingy.

  60. Removing bike lanes because some of the riders are dressed in something less than Sharia law is like closing all restaurants because they aren’t Halal or Kosher.

    One of the founding principles of our country is freedom of religion, which this issue is based around. When it comes to enforcing rules of decency the government has established rules for this that have been argued in the courts for many years and what is accepted by the general public and the courts can’t be used as an argument for punishing others.

    In this case a few people who are not meeting the religious standard of one group are the excuse for denying the rights of the greater public. This is what leads to women wearing Burkas.

    It’s ironic that the extremists in religion try to regulate others for their own weaknesses. “We can’t handle seeing attractive people in tight fitting clothes so we should ban them and anyone like them from being around us!”

    I wonder how many laws there are in Israel against wearing tight clothes.

    The argument that bike lanes should be removed to prevent people from wearing tight fitting clothes is fallacious and a poor excuse for the real issue. What is really the issue here is that people don’t want to share the road with bicycles. Have the Hasid’s been stopping people not on a bicycle for wearing tightly fitting clothes? Is this a major issue with other types of transportation such as pedestrians or the subway or buses or cars?
    Has there been a rash of attacks by bicyclists on people in Brooklyn or anywhere else? I don’t think so. If the Shomrim Patrol doesn’t like the way other people in their neighborhood are dressing then they should file formal complaints and ask for respect from others and educate others as to what offends them, not by vandalizing city property. Their laws are theirs and not something they should force on others. This is why our founding fathers emphasized freedom of religion, so that people wouldn’t be burned at the stake for these type of issues.

  61. Elaine M. 1, December 11, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    “AY– Did Orwell wear bow ties? I don’t need a camera–Google Gams is watching you!”
    ——–

    Google Gams? I did not know, PLEASE post the link for me. PLEASE. Some of us ladies are ‘leg-men’ too. I actually though that the bicycle and spandex were invented to provide us Ladies That Stare At Men’s Gams (coming soon to a theatre near you) didn’t have to use our x-ray vision superpower. :-)

  62. Elaine M. 1, December 11, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    “AY– Did Orwell wear bow ties? …!”
    ——–
    Simon and Garfunkel song “America” from the Album “Bookends” which had “America”, (started listing the great/classic songs from this album but there were too many- all of them) as well as ” Old Friends”, their most haunting song.

    Lyric fragment from “America”:

    Laughing on the bus, Playing games with the faces
    She said the man in the
    gabardine suit was a spy
    I said “Be careful, his bow tie is really a camera”

    Probably a redundant posting for a poetess such as yourself.

  63. Theocrats — YET AGAIN — who refuse to grasp the simple concept that America is a SECULAR nation.

    One of the reasons why we have a Constitution is to keep religious fanatics from pushing the rest of us around.

    If these were Muslims, all Holy Hell would be raised. Where I live, the biggest pests are politicized Southern Baptists and Evangelicals.

    Religious fundamentalists of EVERY faith need to learn to tolerate the MAJORITY. After all, WE tolerate them.

  64. Bryon and Gyges,

    Are you telling me that Mickey Mouse is not real? Hey, I suspected that the Easter Bunny is not real, can you tell me if he is? What about Santa? I have heard that we have a Satan in a Santa is that true too? I believe in the good jojo Santa. Don’t you?

  65. Mad Tom: December 11, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Nonreligious fundamentalists also need to learn to tolerate religious fundamentalists and understand that whatever a local government is willing to grant any community within their jurisdiction indeed REFLECTS the democratic process.

    I’m sure that nonreligious fundies are just as annoyed with the gains religious fundies make in the democratic process as the religious fundies are annoyed with the gains the nonreligious fundies make. The goal is to let each group make the best arguments and win whatever they can.

    The issue with the Muslims goes to why it is important not to let Muslims immigrate to the country since their community is one that advocates Sharia–a thoroughly undemocratic process which is aimed at destroying representative government, unlike Christianity. I think it is silly to invite people here who would destroy our form of government.

    For those Muslims who are already here, the issue becomes one freedom of speech. We non Muslims must remain free to expound about the vile details of Islam which are as odious as the details of any immoral code of conduct are. Among these details are sexual slavery, and torture (chopping off the body parts of criminals).

    If we keep labeling critics of Islam bigots, haters, and racists (Islam is not a racial group) we will not be able to demonstrate to our fellow citizens that Islam is to be shunned. I’m not saying you labeled anyone.

    It could be a mistake that you read the criticism of Muslims, but not the criticism of southern baptists, as a double standard. When actually the criticism of Islam is often a criticism of the very substance of the faith (Jihad, polygamy, and the such). I’d like to invite you to make this critical distinction.

    Widespread law in America that REFLECTS Biblical ethics are a precedent in our local governments, as the founders allowed (belonging to the states). This is how the views of the people bubble upwards into our laws. Those nonreligious folks who come along centuries later tend to think that the remnant of that ethical system is some sort of violation of the democratic process, when in fact it is the natural process of it. Granted, there are many things which are unconstitutional and our system has tools to deal with that.

    Let the best arguments (which conform to the Constitution) win!

    :o)

  66. Hey! While you fairy tale loving folks are busy fighting over whether it’s Santa or the tooth fairy or the boogie man who worries about who sticks his or her genitals where, can the rest of us have out our planet back???

  67. lottakatz–

    Those lyrics are new to me.

    Orwell got it right though, didn’t he? I’m glad Eric Blair took the nom de plume of George Orwell. Claiming things/events are Blairian just doesn’t pack the same punch as saying they’re Orwellian.

    BTW, I’m going to be wary of men wearing bow ties from now on.

  68. Elaine M.,

    Don’t be silly, only be aware of 1) a man in a bus; 2) sitting in a gabardine suit; 3) wearing a bow tie. If you worry about all of the people wearing bow ties that will just make you nuts.

  69. Good to know that NYC hasn’t heard of Lemmon. How the Hasidic community can bootstrap “health and safety” to their own stultifying and rigid doctrine, to compel the City to remove the lanes is absolutely beyond me.

  70. The whole purpose of
    “forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex”
    is to resist temptations!!

    if bike lane is removed, that is an easier life to live. These guys are cheating them selves.

  71. Removing the bike lane will do nothing. you don’t need a specific painted lines to bike a long the road side. It’s only there as a guide.

    Also screw these people. Since when does the government take a back seat to religion?

  72. > Removing the bike lane will do nothing. you don’t need a specific painted lines to bike a long the road side. It’s only there as a guide.

    For the NINE-HUNDREDTH and NINETY-NINTH time in this thread:

    It’s a guide to CAR DRIVERS. Not BICYCLISTS. BICYCLISTS already KNOW they have to hug the line of parallel parked cars. CAR DRIVERS assume- reasonably- that they should ride directly down the midline between the parked cars and the lane divider if they don’t see the bike lane, allowing BICYCLISTS half the space to avoid an ACCIDENT. It’s there for SAFETY.

    Do REAL lifetimes need to be ended so that these Hasids don’t spend their ETERNAL lifetimes in their imagined LA-LA LAND by giving in to their own temptations to look at TITTIES? Even their GOD-DAMNED YAHWEH should be smart enough to see the greed and selfishness in such acts, unless they think he has an IQ of NINETY.

  73. maverratick, You’re right and it removes ambiguity from the law, bike riders should stay in the bike lanes and cars should stay in the car lanes. Liability is easier to sort out. In most states that have an order of proceeding on their streets bicyclists come in right after pedestrians. With that and bike lanes liability assessments become routine.

  74. Actually I feel less agitated now and regret the vitriol in my previous post. However I would still like to summarize the point- for the THOUSANDTH time now- that the bike lane is there for motorists, not bicyclists, so that the bicyclists are not confined to riding down half the width of the road that they would otherwise. And it’s pretty obvious here that the motive of this 50% squeeze is to discourage bicycling on the road entirely.

  75. In my state Missouri if your a bicyclist and there aren’t bike lanes then your order of proceeding is as any other vehicle on the road, you own the traffic lane just like a car or truck does and have to act like any other vehicle on the road- stop at all stop signs, obey the speed limit, etc. Bike lanes are also a way to let municipalities off the hook regarding actual application of the law regarding bicyclists.

  76. Have female bike lane advocates start walking through the area in bikinis. This will have to wait for warmer weather, but tell the Hasidic community that they can have it one of two ways: the folks will keep walking through their community with little to nothing on, or they can let the bike lanes go through.

    If they start calling for people to be arrested for walking on the sidewalks, it will only get worse for them.

  77. I agree with San Diego. Women should walk or jog through the neighborhood in their bikinis. It will make the biking shorts look like burqas in comparison.

    I did not read any place that anyone is forcing these old geezers to stare at women’s behinds.

    People and their religion are the ultimate insanity. Get rid of the gods, demons, angels, etc. and the world would probably be living in peace.

  78. Most of the other bike lanes around the City should also be removed. Bikes are great for the summer and if you are young, but if you are older or in the winter time, bikes are not good for NYC. The bike lanes have contributed to far greater pollution, since cars now drive slower, and the traffic jams that bike lanes cause, causes greater noise from road-raged drivers honking. The bike lane idea sounds good, but it does not work here.

  79. Get those guys on a fast boat or plane to Tel-Aviv!
    I have no doubt that they would be happier there.
    PS make them pay for the ticket, oy vey!

  80. what you goyem do not understand is that we own NYC, you are merely guests in our city. Soon we will rebuild the third temple and the blood of your unborn children will be used to anoint the brows of our children! we create reality! you are our golem!

  81. All of you are obviously anti-semites for criticizing the final word of the Jew!

    You should all be ashamed!

    Seriously though…why does everyone fear jews so much that no one is willing to stand up to them and their attrocities in todays world? Are we all still too afraid to criticize them today, for what happened to them 60 years ago? Aparantly so since they continue to commit acts of atrocity on a daily basis, and flout international norms and laws! And no one is willing to acknowledge or stop them. Our politicians make me sick how they get into office and then stop listening to the people who “elected” them. Capitolist Democracy is a joke…a sham…to the non elite. You and I.

    Tollerance and acceptance is one thing…but if such a small, radical, extremist group is able to have such a large influence over so many others, what does it say about who is realy in control of things?

    The women of NY should organize a bike run thru that area in the skimpiest clothes they can find! Bike lanes or not! Don’t give two shits what the insane jews demand…smack them in the beard on your way by with your beautiful, bare legs!

    Go women of NY!

  82. I believe there is a place called Israel where these religious nutjobs can go? Democracy….where 1% of the people can trample all over the rights of the other 99%…..or more to the point where they who make the biggest political donations can do so?

    Me thinks it is time that ALL Jews must move to their “Jewish State” from ALL nations before they find themselves being forced on to freight trains yet again.

    The Jew has learned NOTHING from his history other than cheap slogans..

    “Never Again” Yeah Right!!!

  83. Mazuza, LMFAO!! that is the sort of attitude and rhetoric that you simpletons brandished around Germany in the 30’s. As i recall that didnt work out so well for you??

  84. You know, as a Brooklyn Jew, I’m ashamed and angry at these idiots. And I’m very pissed off at Mike.

    Who the hell are you to decide what is and isn’t proper? If these idiots don’t like seeing women in bike shorts, tell them to look elsewhere.

    Just yesterday a bicycling woman was killed in Brooklyn by a car because there wasn’t a bike lane, and now we’re removing them because these people say so?

    Mike, you have more money that you need, why are you kowtowing to this interest group? Can’t spend your own money to get elected? Still need them for support? REALLY want to go retire in Israel?

    Man, the older I get the more I hate politicians.

    AARGHHH!

  85. Talked to a Hassidic Rabbi today about this (Hanukkah party at a ice rink). These folks pissed about the bike riders in NY are a particular sect (Satmar not the Chabad folks) who s particularly intolerant. In his opinion forcing the removals of the bike lanes is wrong. “You can’t ‘fall’ if you are holding onto something high.” Meaning, just because women are riding in bike shorts doesn’t mean you have to fall into temptation.

    The Satmar folks were particularly pissed at Chabad due to Chabad’s outreach, but have softened their position since Chabad provides kosher food and places to worship all around the world which business people of the Satmar use.

    Which brings to mind the classic joke:

    What do you call two Jews in a room?

    An Argument.

    Here’s an in joke about the Satmar.

    They are called Satmar because of where they come from, Szatmárnémeti, Hungary (currently Satu Mare, Romania) .

    The name means “Saint Mary.”

  86. I like to drape my uncircumcised sinep on the foreheads of rabbis & orthodox hasidic jewry.

    They LOVE that stuff!!

    Really. They do. Alot.

    Again mostly on Saturdays.. it’s funny really.

    /Yar

  87. Well, these “acidic” men, should instead approach the authorities to let them chase the “offenders” with the intention of starting some serious business that could bring pecuniary rewards to the parties. How about a new kosher establishment in Brooklyn catering for human parts? That surely will keep the impudent knees out of “their” street.

  88. This is disgusting, who runs this country? Are we completely sold out to Israel? We fund and arm them supporting their holocaust against Palestinians, they act worse than animals and ignore dozens of UN resolutions and we do… nothing. And now this? They’re total and complete hypocrites, look at how corrupt and immoral their own country is, and now this? This disgusts me. Are our politicians such complete prostitutes that they have to accept this kind of bs?

  89. You defend the jewish community for advocating halacha yet attack muslims for advocating shariah—they are bith religious law—could you be a bit more hypocritical for me? (wwjd)

    from your post:
    >>>It could be a mistake that you read the criticism of Muslims, but not the criticism of southern baptists, as a double standard. When actually the criticism of Islam is often a criticism of the very substance of the faith

    criticism of any religion has to be of the substance of its faith by definition—anything else is ludicrous; and yes xtianity can certainly be critised (and has) for its advocating war and oppression of women within the text of the bible (dont say you dont use the o.t.–the 10 commandments are there and jesus also quotes the o.t.)

  90. The Hassidim are among the most hypocritical bastards I’ve ever seen, and I should know, as I grew up in a neighborhood filled with them. They are also the worst bigots I’ve ever seen. To grant them anything because they bitch about it should be ignored. Fuck them, they are a despicable group.

  91. wow,,, really.. i MEAN REALLY lol,,,wheres the woman lib groups when ya need em lol, someone should gather 400 thousand woman and just parade up and down the streets in front of thier houses in bikinis and daisy dukes, until they reopen it hahaha,,,, the more i get older the more i start to hate that religion, the amish live a strict life i dont here and stupid stories about them bitching about how weak thier own men are lol,,,try a blind fold lol,,, i thouht government and reliion were supposed to be seperated, how can a religion be a city road/bike path planner

  92. you can complain all you wish! we control everything threw our networks of sayanim! the goyem are worse than animals! soon you will be blinded by the brilliance of our gleaming temple!

  93. Jews — secular, orthodox, Zionist, who gives a shit — can kidnap children and harvest their body organs with virtual impunity and they’re complaining about women riding bicycles?

    Hate to generalize — why not, they do? — but the Jew wins first-prize as the most racist and despicable form of life on the planet.

  94. What a lawsuit the city is setting its self up for. What happens when one of these short wearing bicyclists gets hit by a car because the lanes were removed? I can just smell the money, can’t you?

  95. The outpouring of anti-Jewish rhetoric here is instructive. I especially refer to Mr. B, filthy j3vvz, Sean (jewess?), the usual suspects, mazuza, jadda, Mike S, Gus, yar dape, Pedro 76, eyes wide open, and ew_keane. As a Jew I should feel called upon to defend my group, but unfortunately only one of you offers anything to refute other than your hatred and vitriol. As I wrote above I am not a fan of the Satmar community, but I also explain they are a small cult within Judaism. You all seem to make this a universal issue and that is where the bigotry comes in. It’s like saying that Tiger Woods indiscretions cast a pall over all black men, or David Koresh represents all Christians.

    “All I know is that it is a fact that sexual abuse of children, especially of male children, is many, many times higher among rabbis than it is among Catholic priests.”

    usual suspects,
    Checked your link and then checked the referenced story by NY Times reporter Paul Vitello. Neither backs up the stastement you made above, but then why bother you with the facts since your mind is already made up?

    I must express sadness and disappointment though that none of this anti-Jewish rhetoric elicited even a single reply from a regular here. I have no problem letting this crap stand because it is always good to see what the creeps are up to. I would have thought though that after so much vitriol, someone of reason might have called them on it even in a small way.

  96. The f*cking moslems and their c0cksucking islam don’t have to take over America. It seems it’s being handed to them on a silver platter by our stupid f*cking nobs that are in power. You don’t change OUR way of life to suit the minority. If the minority doesn’t like things here, they can just F*CK THE HELL OFF BACK TO THEIR M0THERFUCKKING SHIT-HOLE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY CAME FROM!

  97. Mike,

    If it’s any consolation? I was actually waiting for you to weigh in on this thread. Considering the huge run of simply Nazi-like anti-Semitic nastiness on this thread when I got up this morning? I really felt you deserved the first swing. These clowns exemplify trolling and should be used as cautionary tales about bigotry. It shows the extremes trolls will go to when being beaten down with their own failings as logical beings like the bigoted have been getting here lately. Instead of trying to prove that they might be human after all – after weeks of general bigotry (to be fair Mike, they haven’t been just going after the Jews, but the women and Muslims as well just in a more diffuse manner) – what they do instead is turn up the hate as if volume will shout down their injustice. But their goal is division.

    Tea party tactics.

    Coincidence?

  98. Buddha,
    I was holding back so as not to be the “Lone Jew” jumping into the foray and really because what is there to really say about any of the comments but that they’re bigoted? I’d prefer not to be identified as a knee-jerk type who sees anti-Jewishness behind every tree. Notice I didn’t include Chris in the general call out. Why, because there was nothing inherently anti-Jewish in it, even though Jewish cults are mentioned with distaste.

    As for your comment regarding the attacks on Muslims you only have to see “notoislam3’s” comment above yours for the proof of your statement. Now I know I’ve become the “prominent Jew” on JT’s site and that is really my own fault, so I can’t complain. However, as I’ve kept saying Jews are about as non-monolithic an ethnic group as you can get, although to some it doesn’t seem that way and my own Jewish opinions are quite controversial to many Jews. However, truly if you have four Jews stranded on a desert Island you really will get four political parties, at least debate wise.

    The obscenity of bigotry is that whole groups are stereotyped by the actions of a few and in that respect while there is a long history of anti-Jewish bigotry, many other groups can also claim equal victim hood.

  99. Based on past threads I find it hard to believe the professor has not deleted comments on this one. I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know what is being posted here.

    Where are you professor?

  100. While I will not defend any of the obviously hate filled, caps lock laced comments…I must say some of the jews here are yet again missing the overall point.

    People are getting mad and madder at what they see going on in their own country, as well as what is going on around the world by the jewish people.

    It boils down to frustration over constant injustices committed and continually committed by the jews. With absolutely no justice for their victims. While this says nothing of injustices committed by other ethnic and/or religious groups, of which the entire planet is guilty, we are not talking about them. We are discussing the jew.

    It’s too easy to avoid the issue and point the finger towards anti-semitism blah blah blah. This tactic, though hollow, is amazingly efficient at shutting down an arguement, and detracting the attention away from the issue at hand.

    Instead, try to forget about the cursing and swearing and schoolyard insults, and look at the base of the problem. The actions of the jews and Israel by extension.

    If someone wishes to call me an anti-semite because I speak out against their continued crimes against other sects/religions, then so be it!

    For myself, this biking story is nothing but an extension of the crimes, demonization and animalization of the palastinians by the jews. Every day the world watches israel slaughter their neighbours with american made laser guided missiles. And don’t bother with the usual meme about right to self defense rubbish.

    It’s nonsense!

    You have turned the palastinians into a giant prisoncamp worse than what your people endured 60 years ago. You take their land, you burn their crops and chop down their olive trees. You blow up their fishing boats, you blow up their homes. You routinely slaughter their people, young and old for getting too close to the monolithic walls you have created on their land to wall them in like animals! In fact, some of your most “religious” jews openly call them animals.

    You reply to stones and unguided homemade rockets with million dollar american missiles and WMDs banned by the international community like WPt. You dictate their water, their food, their medicine, their everything. They have every right to resist your control. Just as you had every right 60 years ago. Stop the constant threats, and intimidation, stop dropping bombs on peoples heads and you just might find a neighbour you can live with.

    They talk so high and mighty of themselves, of how righteous they are as a people and yet they have committed and continue to commit some of the most haneous crimes of this century. They treat other peoples worse than their own pets! An still…they are allowed to continue.

    People are mad…people are frustrated…people are losing their patience with what they continue to see. It’s a new world my friend, a new generation…and guess what? People today aren’t as doe eyed and blind towards the jews and their actions anymore. WW2 does not give you carte blanche to commit your own attrocities today.

    You want respect as a people? You want compassion and understanding? Start looking at how your people treats others. You very well might see what the rest of the world sees…you very well might think about changing.

    Until then, expect much anger and much frustration from all non jews who are watching and growing tired of what they see.

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  102. Mrbinary,

    Let me try to sum up where your whole argument falls apart:

    There is a difference between being of the Jewish Faith and supporting the actions of Israel.

    Being Jewish means taking part in a religion that’s existed in various forms for thousands of years, the majority of those without the existence of Israel as a country. Supporting the actions of Israel means you support the actions of the nation of Israel.

    See the difference?

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  104. Why don’t they move to Israel? It seems like a good fit for their mentality.

    Frankly I’m tired of being pushed around by the jews, yeah I know, that’s illegal to say.Spare me your cries of anti-semitism, Im a good person who treats people fairly.It’s the organized jewry who are the racist bullies.

  105. Rick,

    Do you also have a good friend who’s Jewish?

    Sorry, if you say something bigoted, you’re going to get called a bigot. This, “It’s the organized jewry who are the racist bullies,” is inherently bigoted. Bigot.

  106. Once we get over the idea that there is a god, everything begins to make sense . floods, famines, evolution, George Bush, the need to defecate, good movies, bikinis, tool-using octopi, artificial heart valves, death and taxex, etc.

    Imagine if there were no god, no religion, too – we’d be immersed in more important issues that whether or not it’s OK for men to look at half-naked women.

    Let god into a belief system, though, and all hell can break loose. Because true believers, of whatever religion, are sure that their god wants every human to act as the true believes act.

  107. Mrbinary,
    I’m the only Jew on this particular thread so I guess your comments are addressed to me. Since i’ve been honest about where I’m coming from and my religious identification it might be productive if you did the same. Also just so you know people can consider me an iconoclastic liberal, so there you have my ethnicity and my political sympathy’s, while yours are hidden and inscrutable.

    Why would this be necessary to have a dialog, rather than me simply stating you are anti-Jewish is that you take a bunch of unrelated assertions and tie them together into an over all assertion about a specific group of people. Which is sort of like saying that OJ and the Sudan represent all black people, Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 murderers all Muslims, The God Hates Fags group or David Koresh as all Christians, etc. Therefore it would be nice to know what group you belong to so that I can generalize about whatever you believe in or identify with. That is in effect what you’re doing, but making it even sillier is that you are ascribing thoughts and desires to Jews that have no factual basis other than your own shaky pre-judgments.

    “You want respect as a people? You want compassion and understanding?’

    While considering there is a great diversity of opinion among the Jewish people, there is no great desire for your respect, only for the freedoms granted to All Americans. Why in hell would I care about your respect? You’re only an anonymous poster, spouting generalizations and making your purported points unskillfully.

    “It boils down to frustration over constant injustices committed and continually committed by the jews. With absolutely no justice for their victims.”

    Yes, the Jews are such big actors on the world stage, representing perhaps 10 million, out of 6 billion humans. I get it that you sympathize with the Palestinians, but if the Israeli’s were the total monsters you portray them to be, why haven’t they just wiped them out?
    You think because of world opinion, but then if that’s the case where is the vaunted Jewish power? In any event I’m American born and I’ve never been to Israel, nor have I ever given Israel financial support.
    Where is my guilt. Please don’t tell me that it’s in supporting American Policy towards Israel, because if you pay your taxes then you are just as responsible.

    “People are getting mad and madder at what they see going on in their own country,”

    Now what is it exactly that Jews are doing in America that makes you so mad? My guess would naturally be that for a fact you just don’t like Jews, but I’m willing to hear your argument.

    “Why don’t they move to Israel? It seems like a good fit for their mentality.
    “Frankly I’m tired of being pushed around by the jews, yeah I know, that’s illegal to say.Spare me your cries of anti-semitism, Im a good person who treats people fairly. It’s the organized jewry who are the racist bullies.”

    Rick,
    Just how are Jews pushing you around? I don’t support AIPAC for instance, but don’t American Jews have the same right to lobby that other Americans do, such as Christian Fundamentalists, Anti-Abortionists, Opponents of gun control, the Cato Foundation and the Heritage foundation. Is it that you believe finally Jews control the world as ZOG. If you have any info on this I’d love to see it because you see i’ve never had a lot of money, i’m a smart guy andI’m sure ZOG could find a place for me and a better standard of living.

    Finally Rick, why the hell don’t you get out of my country, the land my parents and my siblings and myself were born in? I can see from your limited viewpoint that my understanding and love for this country far surpasses your own.

  108. It seems that whenever I have to take time to work for a living, the crazies invade. I refer specifically to Mr. Binary and his kindred spirits who have vigorously spewed some of the more disgusting venom I have read on this site. I admire the restraint Mike S. has shown in responding, but we all recognize that ethnic and religious hatred, because it is inherently irrational, does not admit of a reasoned response. By the way, why is it that anti-Semites tend to always insert the article “the” in front of the word “Jew”? Is that something they teach in the creative writing course on Stormfront?

  109. “vigorously spewed some of the more disgusting venom”

    What did I say that was venomous? Truth is now considered venomous? Anti semite?

    In fact I openly disagree with many of the hateful comments posted and the childish, short sighted nature of them.

    I stated some facts, and possible reasons behind some of the animosity jews are facing world wide.

    Not once did I lace any of my comments, my whole two posts… with slurs, slander or curse filled sentances. And I don’t go about bashing any group simply because its in vogue. Facts is facts.

    I know it can be hard to look at and accept truths, and in this case, truths about the jews, but try.

    Fact is, in this case…the jews in NY have foisted their beliefs on everyone else around them…simply because they can’t seem to not look at a sexy pair of womans legs.

    This begs the question…who’s rights in this case are given priority and weight…The general population in that area? No. Anyone who might benefit from having a bike lane? No. The health concerned individuals who choose to bike rather than use a car? No. Or the religious nut jobs that were able to affect “public policy” because of women wearing shorts? Yes. Absurd? Entirely.

    No other group was allowed to counter this decision or protest it…or come to any middle ground…or have any say…it was just a done deal. Politicaly motovated? Maybe. Religiously motovated? Obviously. It doen’t seem to matter how illogical or moronic it is…the fact is, people in that area, no matter what religious backgroung or ethnicity, now have to bow to the demands of a few jewish extremists.

    And when someone openly criticizes it and draws paralels, they are labeled everything under the sun, anti semite, spitting vitriol, venom etc.

    This is the norm, and was expected.

  110. “I’m tired of being pushed around by the jews”

    Yeah – like the way they come into your home and light your menorah for you, or shove that fake crab meat you cooked for dinner down your garbage disposal, or insist you wear boxers instead of those briefs you favor. They’re so pushy, they don’t want you in their neighborhood, they want you off their bike path, they want nothing to do with you….er, I mean, no, wait, their pushy.

  111. There is only one response to this:

    MOVE and take your tax dollars with you. Boycott stores in that area.

    Sure you could sue on 1st amendment grounds, the city has no right to take away other people’s freedom on the basis of one group’s religion.

    But there is no need. Hit them where it hurts: their wallets. As people leave their community and they don’t take in revenue from taxes, their businesses suffer without customers, their area of town will die out. Until they learn this country is free, not to impose yourself on others.

  112. I should correct the above: they are not taking away freedom (you can still ride your bike) they are simply putting people’s lives in danger. sheesh.

    I wonder what God thinks of that, when you are so weak you want other people to cover themselves, instead of simply looking down or away. I mean, look at tv, or anything in modern society.

    Tootie: you have the right to do anything. This country was founded on negative rights, you are talking about positive rights. You want to impose your values on others. You do not have that right. Nagative right means people cannot tell you what to do. Positive right means you force people to behave a certain way.

    Biking shorts are not deliberately made to look sexy, most people look bad in them if you look around. They are made to be functionsl. If you were a distance runner or cyclist, you’d understand why it has to be form fitting, unless you want horrible rashes where the material rubs against you.

  113. Gee I’m bored with all this Jew stuff!

    How come 1% of the world’s population gets talked about so much. I mean, are they doing something great for the world? Are they helping to make the world a better place? Are they the peacemakers?

    The answer to these three questions is NO! Why don’t we just forget about them then, let them drown in their ignorance.

  114. “if such a small, radical, extremist group is able to have such a large influence over so many others, what does it say about who is realy in control of things?”

    If a large, moderate group is able to have such influence over so many others, what does it say about who is really in control of things?

    The latter scenario is something de Tocqueville wrote about long ago: the tyranny of the majority.

    Frankly, I don’t see how the efforts of those in a particular neighborhood are any different than what’s happened in a section of Brooklyn. The process is the same: get ahold of those in power and make them do something you want them to do

    In my neighborhood, that might mean restricted parking – residents only – or more stop signs. In Brooklyn, it’s the removal of bike lanes.

    Sufficient outrage would drive the larger neighborhood – the city at large – to put the bike lanes back in.

    The idea the a group of people who share a religion has a large influence over so many other is ludicrous. They lobbied to have bike lanes removed from THEIR neighborhood.

    By the way, a “small, radical, extremist group” has been banished to the department of redundancy department.

  115. If they sin because of temptations, they need to review their weakened faith. What are they going to do when the devil himself tempts them? LOL.

  116. Mike Spindell —

    Just calling em like I see em. Read your bible. Read your Talamud. Read your history. The Jew has always made lousy neighbors, if saying so makes me anti-semitic, tough. Gee, wonder why the Jews were kicked out of England for 400 years until they bribed their way back in. Any Jew with an ounce of integrity would renounce their religion as a menace to society. Own up or shut up.

  117. Sorry I came back to read comments on this thread.

    Mike S.

    I’m not Jewish–but I’m offended by a number of the comments that have been made here. As Mike A. said–the crazies have invaded. Don’t some people just love to spew hate speech?

  118. Mike S.

    Earlier in this thread I wrote:

    “I think those women who like to bike around Brooklyn wearing shorts should complain to Mayor Bloomberg–and tell him that those unshaven men dressed in strange-looking getups appear unclean and creepy–and that the women can’t bear to look upon them without feeling afraid.”

    ************

    Swarthmore mom responded:

    “I don’t think calling Hasidic men ‘creepy and unclean’ is respectful of diversity.

    ************

    I replied to Swarthmore mom:

    “You’re right–it isn’t. That’s my point. The Hasidic men didn’t approve of the way the women were dressed. Those men complained about women biking in shorts because THEY had a problem looking at their bare knees/legs and then got the city to remove biking lanes. I think that shows that those men don’t have much respect for the rights of women.”

    ************

    I didn’t intend that first comment of mine quoted above to be taken by others to mean that I thought the Hasidic men were creepy and unclean. Maybe I was being flip with my words. If you found what I wrote offensive—I apologize.

  119. Why is it that when conflicts like this happen between a very strict religious group, that despite its birth rate is still a minority among Jews in general, all the ignorant, anti Semites come out of the woodwork. One asked what have the Jews contributed to the world.

    What an ignorant fool. Shall I begin with Jesus of Nazareth. Has he ever noticed how many Nobel Prize winners are Jews. A number higher than what would be proportionate for our size. Jews pursue intellectual professions. If this yutz knew any history, he’d know why.And if the Jews are highly intelligent as a group, maybe those who call us arrogant would consider the fact that the people he is referring to, don’t have patience for the stupidity of the writers who are offended.

    These very extreme Chassidim do the same thing in Jerusalem. Many people there don’t like their insistance on things being done as they say, even though they are in conflict with other Jews. I don’t accept their right to force others in either city to do things according to their wishes. If they don’t want to see women in shorts, let them look away. Jews are used to the fact that whatever we do we will be citicized.

  120. Once the palestinian nomads are exterminated, we will have completed our plan. The jews who died during our holocaust were the blood sacrifice necesary to establish the state of Israel. Nothing can stop us. Once we have solve the nomad problem, all that is left is to destroy the next generations of the sephardim. We were close several decades ago, with the help of the US who provided the funds which allowed us to irriadiate tens of thousands of sephardic children.

  121. “Fact is, in this case…the jews in NY have foisted their beliefs on everyone else around them…simply because they can’t seem to not look at a sexy pair of womans legs.”

    mbinary,
    You talk of facts is really silly when you presnt “facts” like the above and sadly you also display your ignorance. Have you ever been to Williamsburgh, if you had you would know it is not that large in comparison to Brooklyn, much less NYC. The Satmar are a cult within Judaism, sort of like the cults within christianity. There are at most 60,000 in Williamsburgh which makes them politically significant there. Just like fundamentalists Bible Belt Christians are significant politically (in a much larger area) in getting the teaching of evolution thrown out of their school systems.

    Now there are almost one million Jews in NYC as opposed to 3.6 million Italians (mostly Catholics)and somehow the Italian americans I know don’t get Jewish beliefs “foisted” on them. You might see though, if you were capable of seeing beyond your own pre-judgment, that since this incident was limited to one small section of NYC and put forward by people not in the Jewish mainstream, it is not factual to use the term “Jews in New York.”

    Your response to me was really non-responsive except to asser that you had presented “facts” like the one I demolished above. It really would be a waste of my time to demolish the rest of your “non-facts” simply because you wouldn’t allow the truth to penetrate your made up mind.
    You simply don’t like Jews, which is your perogative, but you lack the courage to honestly admit it.

  122. “Gee, wonder why the Jews were kicked out of England for 400 years until they bribed their way back in.”

    MrB,
    Actually I don’t wonder why the Jews were kicked out of England in 1290, by Edward I because I know history, unlike you. They were “kicked out” because under European and English law of the time Jews were limited in the work they could do. They were allowed to work as rudimentary bankers by the Church and many monarchies because it was a way for these entitites to get around Christian usury laws. They made good “patsy’s” for the Christian leaders because being a small powerless minority they could be made to lend money and then the curch and the Kings could renege on repayment at their leisure.

    Edward I was a rather contentious King who liked to make war. He forced the Jews to borrow money to pay his troops and after his wars left him in severe debt, with little to show for it, he decided to expel all Jews from England to avoid paying his debt. It was an astute political move having nothing to do with Jews being bad neighbors.

    As to “bribing” their way back into England that isn’t the way history tells it. That really doesn’t matter to you though as made clear by:

    “Any Jew with an ounce of integrity would renounce their religion as a menace to society. Own up or shut up.”

    Your hatred shines clearly through. I wonder what it is you believe and whether some might consider that belief a “menace to society.” Ah,
    but you see you don’t say what you believe, other than you dislike Jews, so it is difficult to know just what it is that motivates your ignorance of the world and its’ history. That’s probably the way you like it though because the truth of who you are might be quite ugly and twisted.

  123. Mike S.,

    Too bad these people are allowed to breed. One would think that it is the basic nature of people to want to take the easy road. Being Jewish is not an easy road to take. Let them take their last breath and seek redemption for the sake of there own soul.

  124. non facts?

    Pull your head out of your ass.

    I politely offer some reasons for what you as a jew are seeing towards your people, and you show your true colours by not only falsely labeling me hateful, but imply stupidity and so on and so forth because I refuse to subscribe to your whitewashed ideals of your people. Should I have included a long tirade laced with obscenities so I fit your notion of who I am?

    If you knew, you might be surprised.

    Your a classic case jew who believes your people can do no wrong, and defends their actions despite what reality shows. And as soon as anyone steps up and presents any opinions counter to your own, or offers possible reasons for the hatred you see, you froth at your keyboard, label me anti semite, and refuse to look at anything besides your own point of view.

    I don’t hate anyone, any group, or any ethnicity solely because of that…I hate groups and people that hide behind religion while commiting acts of hatred around the world…in the name of whatever particular religion.

    Do you even know what your jewish mouthpiece considers anti semite?

    If you can stomach the truth…have a read.

    http://rense.com/general88/awash.htm

    Look it up…it pretty much encompasses anyone who remotely criticizes israel, or jews, their govt, their people, their military, their actions…pretty much anything or any statement against israel. Well then…that encompases most of the world.

    Who is anti semite?

    Pretty much anyone too afraid to stand up and open their mouth and call a duck a duck.

  125. Who is a bigot?

    Well that’d be self-evident.

    I really hope you are following your “thoughts” to their logical conclusion and hate Jesus too, Mr. 0.

    He was a one of those filthy Jews after all.

    So.

    How does it feel to be the puppet of a Jew who has been dead 2000 years? You not only work for a Jew, genius, you work for a zombie Jew. Maybe you should call George Romero. He has lots of tips about doing business with zombies. Jew zombies? I can’t speak to that specifically but I’ve heard Romero doesn’t care a bit about his zombie’s religious affiliations as long as the stagger to their stage mark and can groan and bleed on cue. Given there are so many Jews in the arts, I’m sure they have many members in good standing in the Zombie Actor’s Guild too.

    Hey. Don’t blame me. It’s your illogic at issue. Unless your contention is Jesus was a self-loathing Jew. Which is about as credible as you saying he likes you better than other people. Jesus loved everyone. Jews. Gentiles. Pagans. Agnostics. Even the dimwitted and ignorant.

    I really hope you don’t see the fundamental irony of your anti-Semitism that it is “being done” in the name of a Jew you profess to worship (despite the fact He didn’t want to be worshipped).

    Why do I hope you don’t see it?

    Because I want to be there if you meet Jesus.

    It’s not going to be like you anticipate. He’s going to want to know why you promoted hatred and division in His name and “because Jerry Falwell told me you said so Lord” isn’t going to cut it. Because Jesus didn’t tell you to act like that. He told you to show love and compassion to one another, not just those you think are special because they belong to “the master race”. Jesus didn’t mention a need for secret decoder rings. All were welcome.

    I really want to see how long you stammer before he turns you into a frog.

    Or a pillar of salt.

    I’m sure he’ll turn you back. Eventually. He is all about mercy and kindness. But He is also about teaching others to be as Him.

    And you’re failing the Be Like Jesus Contest in leaps and bounds.

    I’m thinking it’ll be the corner and the dunce hat for you, sport, when Jesus grades your papers.

    Enjoy.

  126. You guys are proving my point by leaps and bounds.

    Buddah your grade 8 level jesus rant, I couldn’t get past more than a few sentances, it was that absurd.

    What was so hard to understand when I stated several times,

    “I don’t hate anyone, any group, or any ethnicity solely because of that…I hate groups and people that hide behind religion while commiting acts of hatred around the world…in the name of whatever particular religion.”

    You and your ilk, lack the reasoning to hold a conversation without hurling insults and cries of “anti semite!” to anyone who even remotely casts jews in a pale light. I’m not addressing anyone in particular here, simply generalizing what I see heppening.

    I entered the convo with not insults or cursing like others so blatantly did. I tried to offer my views in a debate where I believe the underlaying issues go far beyond the simple act of removing bike lanes. I don’t think the real issue is the bike lanes, and that’s all I was trying to say. You for your part have decided to ignore all of that…and instead lash out beyond the issue and label me nearly everything you could think of, while ignoring the gist of what I was trying to say.

    I could have acted like many others here, jew and non jew alike, and instead of attempting to present any sort of congenial dialog, hurl childish remarks. This thread is full of them if you have been paying attention.

    Keep ignoring the reasons for the current growing hatred toward jews at your own leisure…I’m wrong, and everyone else that had a problem with this story is wrong as well as you’ve made quite clear. So be it. That’s a sure fire way of effecting any sort of positive change. It’s why the world is so messed up today.

    Merry Christmas!

  127. you all can say what you like, but the fact remains that we control hollywood, the banks, we control obama, we control everything. We no longer have to hide our atrocities, as we are the chosen. the dome of the rock will soon fall, we will crush the skulls of the palestinian nomad children under our boots! you can protest all you want, but the destiny of Israel is set in stone!

  128. MrBinary,

    So you don’t consider:

    “Don’t give two shits what the insane jews demand.”

    cursing and insulting?

    Interesting.

    Nothing about the tone of your first post was an effort to engage in dialog. You began with a rant, any claims to the countrary are simple falsehoods (either intentional or because of a misunderstanding of what the words “congenial dialog” mean).

  129. As for seeing sexy legs or “boobies”, God gave boobies to babies to suck on for survival so how does seeing them harm children OR adult men and everybody came into this world through a vagina (except Cesarean) after sex with a penis, even in vitro.

    I’d rather have children and men view sex with love than violence or sex with violence. If TV didn’t influence behavior, business wouldn’t spend money on advertising. For example, murder should be news, not entertainment.

    If Judaism, Islam, and Christianity didn’t hate women, we would have more Peace on Earth. Worship the Mother Goddess who gave birth to the Universe before God usurped Her throne and demonized Her.

  130. To understand Bibi above, everybody should read A Real Case Against the Jews by Marcus Eli Ravage on the internet and return to our Pagan ways.

  131. The solution to this problem is simple: ban all religions!

    But what would the religiously deranged think about then? Sorry, my question is silly.

    The religiously deranged don’t think!

  132. Astrea, even if all the goyem understand what will you do? Mossad and the shin bet will release race specific bio weapons once thd moment is right. Israel no longer needs nuclear weapons as she has more powerful systems than you can imagine. Every leader of Israel has openly spoken of the extermination of the palestinian nomads, except for Rabin, but you must understand hebrew! Why does the media not show outrage? Because it is our tool used to manufacture the reality!

  133. Bibi read Zetatalk.com to learn that Service-to-Self People will be removed from reincarnating on Earth after the coming Pole Shift which is the return of Noah’s flood. But I ask you doesn’t the Jewish use of genocide as begun in Genesis prove why People are Anti-Semitic? Not to mention Joseph coming to own all the People’s property including the People for the Pharaoh after the famine which is what the banks’ (who you claim are controlled by the Jews) foreclosures are doing. Let’s not forget the Jewish Economic Warfare v Germany in 1933 before WWII or the 20 million genocided in Russia by the Jewish Trotskyites before WWII.

    Did you read A Real Case Against the Jews by Marcus Eli Ravage? I am not denying that Jews are as dangerous as you assert. I am agreeing with you and that is where Anti-Semitism comes from: Jewish genocide, war, and economic warfare against the host countries for thousands of years.

  134. Spindell —

    You are truly laughable. I hate the Jew for what the Jew DOES, not what the Jew IS. It is a distinction you, as a Jew, are incapable of making. Blah blah blah you pendantic ass.
    You were kicked out of England after wearing out your welcome, as usual. Little something about ritually murdering and drinking the blood of the nephew of a local aristocrat, if I recall. Like I said, “lousy neighbors.”

  135. I love both Jews and what they do.

    I wish the U.S. had more of them. I welcome Palestinians here too. Since us white x-european “Americans” blatantly stole this land from others, the least we could do is be welcoming.

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

  136. MrB,

    Do you also think that Jews can fly, transform into the shape of a wolf, mist, or bat, doesn’t appear in mirrors, and can be stopped by a communion wafer?

    Everyone else,

    At this point just assume my response to MrB is one of the following: Laughter, some comment pointing out just how absurd his beliefs are, not bothering to read it, picturing him sitting up late at night, cold, lonely, and unable to sleep because the tree outside his window casts a shadow that looks like a star of David, or some combination of those.

  137. I’m with Frank. Walk a mile for a Camel? I’d walk through ten miles of gamma rays to hold open the door for Rachel Weisz. But the strange thing about it is that it has nothing to do with her being Jewish. It doesn’t even have to do with her being a very talented actress.

    On a purely animal level, she’s just sexy as all get out. She GETS my attention. But that’s not why I like her. I’ve seen interviews and she seems like a very (very) smart woman and a decent human being.

    I refuse to call her Mrs. Aronofsky [lucky bastard, but I digress]). But names aside there is really only one important thing about that description of the lovely Ms. Wiesz that makes me find her interesting: she’s a nice lady – a decent human being from what I can tell.

    A person’s religion, skin color, gender and sexual orientation are just about the least interesting thing about them.

    Are they good people and why? If they are evil, why? Those are the interesting questions. And the only relevant ones too.

    “Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Looks like you bigots have made your choice. And while revolting, it is interesting.

    Like a petrie dish full of Ebola is interesting.

    Enjoy being the bad guys.

  138. Gyges —

    To answer your question, no; I don’t think Jews can transform themselves into bats, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they could. If you aren’t aware of the “occult” practice of ritually drinking victims’ blood — which no doubt inspired the vampire legend — then you should probably roll over and go back to sleep and let the grown-ups talk.

    Gee, I guess the Jew can do no wrong. My mistake. Has the Jew ever publicly taken responsibility for ANY specific wrong committed by the Jew, or does the Jew get a free pass because he’s a Jew? I have never once heard the Jew admit, “Yes, we were wrong, we did it, and we’re sorry.” The Jew refuses to accept responsibility and the guilt of his own actions. If so-called anti-Semites didn’t point a finger, no one would.

  139. “I don’t hate anyone, any group, or any ethnicity solely because of that…I hate groups and people that hide behind religion while commiting acts of hatred around the world…in the name of whatever particular religion.”

    You link to Rev. Pike pretty much sums up who you are. The “new bigot” recognizing that most people strongly disagree with him/her, tries to cloak his/her bigotry in what would seem to be reasonable terms and protestations of not being bigoted. The problem with this approach is that they still are marked by the highlight of bigotry. The hallmark of bigotry is to take the actions of some people in a group and apply it to the whole group. If I for instance said that all Christians were in favor of murdering Doctors who do abortions, that would be bigotry

    Ted Pike and his National Prayer Network is obsessed with Jews and not too happy with gays either. Sophisticated operation, at least for bigots and I’m sure stands in brotherhood with “God Hates Fags.” Good money raising scam for people who use religion to make themselves rich. Thanks mbinary you’ve shown where you come from, or perhaps are a part of. I could only speculate on the other objects of your hatred and rage. Since in no instance have you actually engaged in debate with me, other than to avoid points I’ve made, it really isn’t worth it to continue to give you any recognition, since that is what your posting is about, getting recognition for your pet hatreds. You really ought to try re-reading the Gospels from a non-biased point of view. You might see a whole new Jesus, a loving prophet, rather than a raging bigot which you pretend Christians now label him to be.

    It’s so sad that I as a Jew know more about Jesus than you or Ted Pike. One would think a Christian would want to follow her/his savior’s teaching, rather than the rantings of the Book of Revelations, written almost 200 years after Jesus’ death and aimed at the Romans and not “end times.” Many christians like you miss the beauty of Jesus teachings, preferring instead the hatred that fuels their rage. In doing so they miss the whole point of what Jesus taught. Too bad you’re unable to at least be honest with yourself, or about yourself, it is so unproductive to carry around all that rage.

  140. Everyone else,

    Laughter, and picturing him cowering under his covers.

    Buddha,

    You’re right, humor is the best way to get them to reveal themselves.

  141. Mr.B,
    Couldn’t even deal with my brief history lesson on Edward I. just reasserted the claim and then upped it with the medieval charge the we Jews drank Christian children’s blood. You really are far into your hate and ignorance, as are many of the other posters here. Like all of you bigots posting here though you hide anonymously behind your rage and hatred and that is another hallmark of the true bigot: cowardice.

  142. Stunning how the Jew is always right and the “anti-Semite” is always wrong.

    I don’t qualify as a bigot because for one thing the Jew is not a distinct race. More like a mongrel assortment of idol-worshipping goat herders with a talent for ripping-off the productivity and generosity of host nations before stabbing them in the back. For another, I don’t blame individuals for the collective sins of their people, just the loudmouths and know-it-all apologists papering over evil with a smiley face. What? Do you think because “individual” Jews might be “nice people,” the Jew, as the distinct people they insist on claiming themselves to be, is exonerated for the evil done by other Jewish “individuals” in the name of and on behalf of all Jews? And I’m sure not all Nazis were “bad people.” Perhaps if Germans, as “individuals,” were actually “good” Nazis, as opposed to “bad” Nazis, like “good” Jews and “bad” Jews, they would have had the moral fortitude and intellecutual honesty to renounce their faith in the Nazi Party instead of excusing evil, looking the other way, and blaming others for their problems. Oh, the poor, persecuted, victimized Jew. A people of sulking, whining, congenital liars. The “sympathy” tit you’ve been milking is DRY. If “nice guy” Jew enablers, like yourselves, get caught in the crossfire, tough shit. As always, you’ve brought the ire of your host nation down on your own heads. Some will overlook the treason of the Jew. Others will not. You just don’t get it, do you.

  143. “for one thing the Jew is not a distinct race”

    OK.

    “A people of sulking, whining, congenital liars”

    But you just said…..oh, well, foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

  144. MrB,

    I’m not saying that Jews are always right, just that you’re a bigot afraid of a blood drinking boogieman you’ve constructed to represent THE JEW. There is no THE JEW, just Jewish people. Also, I have a sneaking suspicion you might be afraid of THE DICTIONARY (which by the way were kicked out of France for eating the toes off of the local Marquis’s second cousin) based on your insistence that you can only be bigoted against a race.

  145. Awww, what’s the matter MrBinary? Are you a slow reader? Is comprehension a problem? Can you just not concentrate, son?

    And just so you know, Mr. 1/0 Troll, I was reading and writing at an 8th Grade level when I was in the 2nd grade. By the 4th grade, I was reading and writing at college levels. I can read and write much more difficult texts now. This is a play room for me. My work room? It’d be incomprehensible to you if you couldn’t read the above. Not because the writing was nonsense, but because the sophistication of use meant it was lot like a Neanderthal looking a jet engine. You being the Neanderthal of course.

    I made it at an 8th grade level so ignorant bigots like yourself could understand that you are actually being insulted. See, unlike you trolls I actually know how propaganda works. I literally wrote a book about it. And then I promptly burned it to keep if from people like you. But I know every message must be carefully crafted to the target audience. However, if 8th Grade reading level is too much of a challenge for you?

    Maybe I should have kicked that down to a 3rd Grade level.

    Mr Binary is a mean old poopy head. He hates everyone but himself. He’s mean to puppies and kitties. He’s mean to Mr. Rosenbaum, the school librarian. Not because Mr. Rosenbaum is mean or bad. He’s a very good librarian and the kids all like him. He reads us good stories. He’s mean to Mr. Rosenbaum because of his hat. He’s mean to Mr. Rosenbaum because he goes to church on different nights than Mr. Brainless. He hates Mr. Rosenbaum for not eating cheeseburgers.

    There. Now there should be no misunderstanding. Those are terms simple enough for you to understand.

    Try not to let your lips move as you read.

  146. All,

    I just finished reading Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer, in which he details events leading to the rise of Hitler all the way through the end of WWII. He should know, he was one of Hitler’s inner circle and his book is one of very few primary sources written by an actual high ranking nazi. One has to to view this work keeping in mind that he was very close to being executed during the Nuremberg trials and there are implicit questions of his motivations of depicting some of the events as they are portrayed in his autobiography. Not to say that he was an apologist for Hitler or the nazis; on the contrary, his basic premise through the whole of the book is the horror and shame he felt after the reality of what the war machine he and others had engineered had sunk in.

    What is striking is that much of what has been said in many of the posts above is almost verbatim from Speer’s depiction of the nazis antijewish propaganda. It really is frightening how two or three people spewing hatred can cause others to start to rationalize and then project this onto a whole people, “the jews”. Speer details how the construction of the death camps started with words, such as those seen in many of the posts above.

    And if you are a holocaust denier or revisionist, don’t even go there. The holocaust was much worse than the accepted figures. I have had the privilege of knowing two holocaust survivors, husband and wife, for a very long time. They are the most amazing people because, despite losing EVERY member of each of their families, brothers, sisters, aunts uncles parents grandparents to the deatchcamps, they harbor no ill will towards the Germans, or anyone for that matter. I have asked them “But how could you forgive a people that caused you to literally live in Hell?” and they tell me that if they could not forgive, then this would be to accept the same evil which lead to the holocaust, that of the hatred of another people because of the actions of a relative few.

  147. Josh,

    I read Speer’s book when I was 14. I didn’t sleep for a week. I too have had similar experiences Holocaust survivors. Most of them have, as you note, an incredible capacity to forgive. Thanks for your post. Very well done. Many returns.

  148. Spinell —

    There’s just no pleasing you “people.” Mockery and hyperbole is not an answer. I’m being accused of being a bigot toward the Jews because I allegedly lump all the Jews together and don’t distinguish between good and bad Jews. My paraphrase of your point. I wasn’t trying to give you a “dictionary” definition of the word you ass I was responding to your slander. Are you offended as a “religious” Jew, as a “racial” Jew, or are you simply offended because that’s the Jew’s knee-jerk reacton to anyone who doesn’t kneel down and kiss their ass?

    Oh, the Jews aren’t always right, well, a major breakthrough. I’m not convinced, though. Could you please be more specific? One instance, please, where Jews were wrong, admitted fault, and said they were sorry. Shouldn’t be too difficult.

    Dave Wyman —

    If the JEW is not a RACE they can still be a PEOPLE, jackass.

  149. “I don’t qualify as a bigot because for one thing the Jew is not a distinct race.”

    You are too ignorant to understand the term bigot. It is not specifically about race. however, as you continue along you show yourself to be just what I said you were.

    “If “nice guy” Jew enablers, like yourselves, get caught in the crossfire, tough shit.”

    Crossfire goes both ways and it is usually those so blinded by hate and arrogance that underestimate their opponents. Jews have been around about 3,500 years now and we’ll be around much longer, perhaps in a time when hatefuly bigots like yourself have petered out because they couldn’t find people to reproduce with.

  150. “I’m being accused of being a bigot toward the Jews because I allegedly lump all the Jews together and don’t distinguish between good and bad Jews.”

    No, you’re being accused of being a bigot because your words prove you are and you are too cowardly to admit it. In your protesting being called a bigot I find it so amusing that you are actually being a whining victim complaining about how tough people are being on you. Are you so dense that you don’t see the hilarious irony of that?

  151. Josh,
    I too read Speer’s book when it first came out and you introduction and explanation of the context he wrote it was excellent. Speer’s writing poses a question that any country that values free speech must wrestle with. Since words can be poisoned barbs that gain credence from constant repetition. The anti-Jewish spewing we see on this thread is so closely related to NAZI propaganda as to be mostly indistinguishable. However, in American history, as in the history’s of most nations of the world, similar examples were used to achieve similar aims. This is true for the African-American slaves and for the
    Native Americans, both of which were victims of genocide.

    What made the NAZI genocide of the Shoah breathtaking was the businesslike manner in which it was carried out. However, genocide is genocide and slaves and “indians” suffered just as cruelly as did Jews. That a higher percentage survived in America is due to the fact that the genocide was never openly admitted to or sought as a stated goal. With the NAZI’s it was an object and article of faith. However, although many of the bigots here claim Jews believe their experience unique, most of us are informed enough to know that genocidal behavior and xenophobia is a trait that runs through all of humanity. Perhaps, as some say, it is the fault of our “lizard brains.”

    Despite bigotry’s charges Jews do not claim uniqueness in our suffering, but do feel proud that as an ethnic group that has always been small numerically, we’ve managed to survive a long while with our basic identity intact.

  152. MrB,

    Not Jewish. If you say something worth taking seriously, I’ll take it seriously. Until then, I’m going to make fun of your movie villain idea of what it means to be Jewish.

    By the way I said Jews could be wrong, not the Jews. I don’t expect you to get the difference (English ain’t exactly your strong points), but thought I’d try and clarify.

  153. Gus,

    “Ask a Jew where his/her allegiance is in the VERY hypothetical case that your country goes to war against Israhell.”

    I cannot answer your question but I can allow you a glimpse into my own mind…

    I recently applied to the army with the intent on getting shipped out to the front lines. I felt needed there. Regardless, my application was turned down due to a prior medical condition that had been corrected. During the application process, my mind raised the question regarding what I would do should I find myself on the offensive against Israel. I recognized then that I would end my own life first.

    Part of the human frailty is making mistakes, Israel neither more nor less than any other nation. Let their corrections come forth as they may, this particular individual will not strike.

  154. Astraea,

    “But Nate, the Huddled Masses need to assimilate.”

    If they wish to, certainly. If they don’t, I’ll accommodate.

    There are a number of different groups and belief cultures that value a “seperate” identity, from the Jewish cult listed above to the Amish. A full list is probably quite extensive. As long as they contribute to society more than they take, I personally will do my part in respecting their wishes.

    One group that I personally find detestable are the Fundamental Latter Day Saints (FLDS) residing in the most isolated patches out west. They take, in the form of resources, far more than they contribute. In the process, they heap untold pain and suffering on their most helpless members, their innumerable children.

    Big Brother dear, we’re still waiting…

  155. “If they wish to [assimilate], certainly. If they don’t, I’ll accommodate.”

    So, Nate, you believe it is “accommodating” to endanger women (and men) riding their bikes on the roads?

    How do you feel about “Honor Killing” and Genital Mutilation as Freedom of Religion?

    Actually erasing the bike lanes for a religious group violates Separation of Church and State.

  156. “In America it has become illegal to put a Christian cross on public ground; no symbol representing any aspect of the Christian religion is allowed. But while crosses are banned from the White House and any public place, huge Jewish Menorahs are going up by the thousands all over the United States as well as in many European countries. One of the main groups erecting them is Chabad Lubavitch, an organization that teaches that Gentiles are a lower and different species from Jews and that Gentiles’ entire purpose on earth is only to “serve Jews.”
    http://www.davidduke.com/general/jewish-supremacist-organization-lites-menorah-in-front-of-white-house-2_14706.html

    chabad = lubavitch = cult = mafia = crime = fraud = abuse

    http://www.chabad-mafia.com/

    As two law enforcement helicopters hovered overhead, dozens of federal agents descended on Agriprocessors Inc., the nation’s largest kosher slaughterhouse.
    http://www.chabad-mafia.com/crime.php

  157. The accommodating process allows the various stakeholders to sort things out betwixt themselves.

    The hatred and spite that this thread has evolved into from a small incident isn’t (the term escapes me) with the the matter at hand.

  158. From the Merriam-Webster:

    “BIGOT — A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.”

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The Torah and Talamud teach the racial superiority of the Jews, and are therefore “bigoted” against the non-Jew. So, if I’m a bigot, Jews are bigots. Stupid little game you’re playing.

    I ask for one example of Jews admitting they were wrong and you try to finesse your way out of it by fiddling with the semantics. 3,500 fucking years and you can’t think of a single instance of THE JEWS admitting they were wrong and saying they were sorry? Can you even come up with something THE JEWS are responsible for that you “personally” believe was wrong, and that you are “personally” sorry for, and would apologize for if you could? One example without a flippant misdirected answer would be refreshing.

    Wyman —

    You making a non-sensical statement and me responding is not “getting my goat.” I won’t make the mistake of taking you seriously again — ass hole.

    When you guys are done jerking each other off, let me know.

  159. “The Torah and Talamud teach the racial superiority of the Jews, and are therefore “bigoted” against the non-Jew.”

    MrB,
    The Torah and the Talmud teach nothing of the kind and I’m a lot more familiar with them than your are. Why do you have such a hard time admitting who you are. I would think you’d be proud of who you are, I am. Another thing that defines your bigotry is that you do it from hiding. I have no idea of either your religious belief or your political leanings, all that is evident is that you hate Jews.

    “I ask for one example of Jews admitting they were wrong and you try to finesse your way out of it by fiddling with the semantics. 3,500 fucking years and you can’t think of a single instance of THE JEWS admitting they were wrong and saying they were sorry?”

    Asking a group to prove they’ve never admitted to being wrong about something is an absurdity. How do you disprove a negative? Secondly,
    why should I allow you to control the discussion? When I provided you with the real history of Edward I, you ignored it by failing to answer my refutation. Thirdly, you are so lost in your hatred of the Jewish People that you don’t even understand the simple fact that Jews are not homogenous. We have no Pope. We have no guiding authority. No one can speak for all Jews. While there have been numerous instances of certain Jews admitting wrongness of actions, the Israeli Peace Movement today for instance, none of these can speak for all Jews.

    Your hatred and lack of understanding allows you to pose a question that is absurd on its face but I’m sure that when you and your Jew hating buddies get together you think it is pristine logic. I don’t know a thing about your intelligence, but you are probably not stupid.
    The problem is that even the most intelligent of people can be woefully ignorant and you fall into that category. Also evident too is that you are a person seething with rage, barely controlled and you try to deal with it by focussing that rage on other groups and individuals. Sadly, you are like a caricature of a bigot and lack the resources to really be effective in your diatribes.

  160. Nate,
    As usual, you being the sincere person you are, find yourself trying to engage with Astraea in an honest dialogue. I would suggest you scroll up and look at all of her(?)comments and see that she is not really interested in that. The Israeli question has nothing to do with the Williamsburgh bike lane issue and in fact the Satmar cult is opposed to Israel’s existence. Astraea has her own agenda and she is just trying to suck you into it. She is not looking for dialogue, merely to score points for her beliefs.

  161. I was starting to feel like I was talking into a black hole.

    I dislike entering these threads because I value my words and to have them return to me so fruitlessly leaves me feeling drained.

  162. “Pray tell, what comment did I make about “The Israeli question” or “Israel’s existence?”

    “Astraea
    I am agreeing with you and that is where Anti-Semitism comes from: Jewish genocide, war, and economic warfare against the host countries for thousands of years.”

    “Gus
    Ask a Jew where his/her allegiance is in the VERY hypothetical case that your country goes to war against Israhell.”

    “Astraea
    OOH Gus That Hurt”

    Astraea,
    Disingenuousness doesn’t become you. Now tell me I’m wrong and that you believe Israel to be legitimate. That wouldn’t fit with your other written comments here. One of the charges made against Israel is genocide and “Israhell” certainly has negative connotations. You fit in well with the other bigots here in that your comments consist of attacks, while maintaining a cloak of anonymity about where your own religious/political/ethnic affiliations lie. One might suspect you follow a more pantheistic tradition from some of your comments and that you might put yourself on the left side of the political spectrum, but that would be mere speculation. The only known facts about you based on your writings are that you don’t like Jews and seem to think we are among the roots of all evil.

  163. Mike,

    Wait, you mean that there is variation within the beliefs and actions of members of a religion that’s existed for thousands of years and who are scattered across several continents?

    That’s downright inconceivable.

  164. MrB,
The Torah and the Talmud teach nothing of the kind and I’m a lot more familiar with them than your are.

    Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.
    Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
    “The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.”
    – Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
    “The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-J
    ew.”- Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
    “Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form.”
    – Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
    “A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal.”
    – Coschen hamischpat 405
    “The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs.”
    – Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
    “Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.”
    – Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
    “If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog.”
    – Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
    “If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: “God will replace ‘your loss’, just as if one of his oxen or asses had died”.”
    – Jore dea 377, 1
    “Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals.”
    – Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
    “It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile.”
    – Sepher ikkarim III c 25
    “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.”
    – Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
    “A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.”
    – Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
    “Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.”
    – Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

    Watch for ignoring it, demanding sources, challenging and discrediting sources, mockery, changing the subject, or disavowing the obvious racist implications “personally.”

    “Why do you have such a hard time admitting who you are. I would think you’d be proud of who you are, I am.”

    I admitted that by your definition, and Merriam-Webster’s definition, if I’m a bigot, so are the Jews. Me admitting what I am – what a jerk – is not really this issue on this thread. Would it make a difference to you if I was proud to be a free-thinking black man?

    “Another thing that defines your bigotry is that you do it from hiding. I have no idea of either your religious belief or your political leanings, all that is evident is that you hate Jews.”

    Oh, I’m sorry, is this a true confessions column? Is it my turn to tell everyone about myself? Well, I’m originally from Michigan…

    My religious beliefs and political leanings have nothing to do with it. We’re talking about “you.” Typical “Jew” misdirection.

    ““I ask for one example of Jews admitting they were wrong and you try to finesse your way out of it by fiddling with the semantics. 3,500 fucking years and you can’t think of a single instance of THE JEWS admitting they were wrong and saying they were sorry?””

    “Asking a group to prove they’ve never admitted to being wrong about something is an absurdity. How do you disprove a negative?”

    I never asked you to prove you NEVER admitted to being wrong. I asked for an instance of admitting when you were.

    Your grammar, she’s not so good.
    I sarcastically said I was stunned how the Jew is always right and the anti-Semite is always wrong. You said no, the Jew isn’t always right, I said I wasn’t convinced, and asked for one little example when the Jew was wrong, admitted it, and said they were sorry. Or, if YOU, personally were “sorry” for anything. You’ve misstated my premise, or my contention, but I don’t think you did it purpose.

    But, more misdirection.

    “Secondly, why should I allow you to control the discussion?”

    Somebody has to! Nyuk nyuk. I think what I’m doing is trying to stay on thread, on topic. I know that bothers you.

    “When I provided you with the real history of Edward I, you ignored it by failing to answer my refutation.”

    See my refutation of Mr. Know-it-all’s version of Edward I and the Jews at http://www.dontwasteyourtime.com.

    MORE misdirection. Tedious, isn’t it.

    “Thirdly, you are so lost in your hatred of the Jewish People that you don’t even understand the simple fact that Jews are not homogenous.”

    I’m married to a Jew, over 30 years, not that it matters, or any of your fucking business, but now that I’ve made it your business, I may not know everything there is to know about THE JEW, but I know a pretentious dick-wad when I see one.

    “We have no Pope. We have no guiding authority. No one can speak for all Jews. While there have been numerous instances of certain Jews admitting wrongness of actions, the Israeli Peace Movement today for instance, none of these can speak for all Jews.”

    The Israeli Peace Movement. Thanks for reminding me. There, that wasn’t so hard, was it? Don’t recall asking you to speak for all Jews everywhere. Sheesh. Like pulling teeth.

    “Your hatred and lack of understanding allows you to pose a question that is absurd on its face [!?!] but I’m sure that when you and your Jew hating buddies get together you think it is pristine logic.”

    Unfocussed anti-Gentile boilerplate babble.

    “I don’t know a thing about your intelligence, but you are probably not stupid. The problem is that even the most intelligent of people can be woefully ignorant and you fall into that category.”

    A left-handed compliment (“probably” not stupid? I’ll take it. How much?) and a platitude.

    Of course, in all fairness, intelligent Jews (I know, redundant) are susceptible to pitfalls of their own.

    “Also evident too is that you are a person seething with rage, barely controlled and you try to deal with it by focussing that rage on other groups and individuals. Sadly, you are like a caricature of a bigot and lack the resources to really be effective in your diatribes.”

    Unsolicited psychoanalysis, stereotypes and comic relief. I think we’re both caricatures, you play your part and I play mine. Why break the illusion? “Seething with rage, barely controlled.” Do you write romance novels on the side? How in the world do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

    Not “rage.” OUTRAGE. And certainly not focused on “other groups and individuals,” at the moment, anyway. Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.

    You seem to assume the case proved, that all anger and outrage expressed by some toward “Jews” is irrational and unjustified. A mental disorder, according to you.

    What is the diagnosis and treatment of a “bigot” when his outrage is justified?

    Oh, and if you’d like to “talk history” I’d be happy to re-engage on the aristocrat’s nephew being ritually murdered by Jews episode. What a corker! I’d even take the time to find and cite the book written by the boy’s uncle precipitating the expulsion of the Jews from England for, what was it this time, 400 years?

  165. I believe Judaism, Islam, and Christianity (Patriarchy) are the roots of all evil.

    Do you deny that Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians? And Genesis is full of genocide.

    Do you deny that Diaspora Jews have a loyalty to Israel?

  166. “Wyman –

    You making a non-sensical statement and me responding is not “getting my goat.” I won’t make the mistake of taking you seriously again — ass hole.

    You responded to my non-sensical statement.

    OK

    But you won’t take me seriously again.

    So…you took my “non-sensical statement” seriously?

    Talk about being able to pick low-hanging fruit(cake). You’re so easy, you can make a streetwalker look like a cloistered nun. ;-)

  167. Perhaps it’s time to ask ourselves again: Should these nice ladies and their beautiful knees be permitted to travel on their bicycles securely through Brooklyn streets, or not?

  168. Wyman —

    Don’t mistake the thirty seconds I’m spending on you as taking you too seriously. Same amount of time I might spend scratching my ass.

    Do you have ANYTHING worthwhile or meaningful to add? Even if I’m wrong, or a “bigot,” at least I’m attempting to make a point.

    Here’s a novel idea, maybe you’d like to actually take a position and make an argument.

    Naw, why bother, easier to take adolescent pot-shots and let everyone else do the work. You’ve learned well from your racist liar Jew masters.

  169. Btw, I’m sure you’re all as excited as I am to see the liar racist Jew Spinell’s response to PROOF that he’s a liar racist Jew.

    Took me FIVE WHOLE MINUTES to cut-and-paste that Jew catalog of racist evil. Plenty more where that came from.

    Wyman, nice company you keep. Pehaps you’d like to jump in if you’re capable of anything more that pissing in the wind.

  170. MrB,

    The wind is blowing and the dogs are howling, however, its time to take your feet and head back to “its” proper resting place.

    With what you have just said it appears that you have your head up your ass and you feet have permanently lodged the same.

    I bet you are a defender of Christianity? Here’s a fact Mr. B “Arseman” Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was a Jew. It goes like Nah ne na ne nha na….

    Oh yeah, I think it is spelled Spindell. FYI….

    And Jesus Loves you, but I am his favorite…….

  171. Anonymously Yours —

    What in the wide world of sports are you babbling about! I have my head AND my feet up my arse? Hell, I oughta at least get an “A” for effort.

    You bet I’m a defender of Christianity? You bet wrong. Pay up.

    Perhaps you could make better use of your time reading and commenting on the racist quotes gleaned from the precious Torah and Talamud I provided.

    As a “Christian” (presumably, since you’re Jesus’ favorite), how do you justify attacking me, the bearer of truth, while excusing the blatant racism of the Jew?

    FYI, Mr. Anonymous, I know Spindell’s name, it’s called a typo. Only thing you said that made any sense. You’re a fine one to talk. Sixth grade education just doesn’t take you as far as it used to, DOES IT.

  172. MrB,

    You’ve stated your case. I’d like to state mine.

    My love for Jews springs not from any equation that shines the light on them. It’s about me: who I want to be, and how I want to live my life.

    For the short time I have on this bluebrown merry-go-round, I’d love to spend it in play, pursuing whatever trivial matter has my attention at the given moment. I love having freedom and using that freedom to do what I love. There’s another thing too that I desire: I want to be a noble being. Not that I am, just that I want to be.

    So you see, my love for Jews/people/life is nothing more than a reflection of myself.

  173. Nate —

    That’s the challenge, isn’t it. To love the unloveable.

    If sincere, I assume your love for “Jews/people/life” extends to a love for all “Gentile” people.

    Unseemly, and hypocritical, to take sides, like you’ve been doing. In reference to a comment you made earilier about taking your own life rather than taking the life of a Jew: Your slip is showing. If you were willing to kill Arabs, or blacks, or whites, or asians — anyone but a JEW — you’re just as racist as they are. The blind stumbling after the blind.

    Love and light, baby!

  174. Yes MrB, I can be unseemly, hypocritical, racist too and worse. I don’t want to be but that doesn’t change the fact that sometimes I am.

    I’m sorry if I offended you. I hadn’t meant to do so. Please forgive me.

  175. I really hope your son marries a Jewish woman and a Muslim black man and they live happily ever after in a polyamorous relationship having lots and lots of brownish Jewish children raised to respect any religion that endorses love over hate. Mr. Hater.

    Then you could hate your own grandchildren for multiple reasons, Binary.

    That ought to make you happy as a pig wallowing in your brains.

  176. Nate —

    No offense taken, nothing to forgive. Good luck sorting it all out. I do appreciate the “love” some Gentiles feel for the Jewish people. My niece converted, and we’ve discussed it at length. I don’t understand it, all things considered, but I do appreciate it. Love is blind.

  177. Gus —

    “Perhaps it’s time to ask ourselves again: Should these nice ladies and their beautiful knees be permitted to travel on their bicycles securely through Brooklyn streets, or not?”

    Absolutely not! “Knees” now, but what’s next? A bit of thigh? A belly button? Horrors, a glimpse of cleavage?

    Here’s the answer to all our problems, America, or what’s left of her: Anything and everything the Jew finds the least bit offensive should be OUTLAWED. Seems fair to me.

    Btw, have you seen the videos of Jews spitting on Christian pilgrims in Jerusalem? Charming, just charming.

    Have a Merry Chris — Oops! — HAPPY HOLIDAY!

  178. Christianity is Judaism for Pagan Gentiles. Women and children, boycott Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. Revert to Paganism.

  179. BTW, Binary

    Have you seen this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

    The Nazi party was run by a Catholic.

    Hmm. Spitting on people versus burning them alive. I guess that “tolerance” thing Jesus was so big on only means tolerant of other bigoted jerkwads like yourself according to your malformed Nazi brain.

    Have a nice day with your fake version of Jesus, hypocrite.

    We have mentioned here SEVERAL TIMES that your Savior is a Jew, right? As a matter of Biblical fact no less.

    Just thought I’d keep rubbing that in your face too, troll.

    Again, I really hope your son marries a Jewish woman and a Muslim black man and they live happily ever after in a polyamorous relationship having lots and lots of brownish Jewish children raised to respect any religion that endorses love over hate. Mr. Hater.

    And that the grandkids treat you like Ricky Bobby’s kids treated their grandfather in “Talladega Nights”:

    Walker: I’m ten years old, but I’ll beat your ass!
    Texas Ranger: Chip, I’m gonna come at you like a spider monkey!

    Happy Holidays . . . Chip.

    Oh,that’s right. This is all moot since the only girl you’ve ever kissed is your sister-momma. Not likely to have any viable offspring, are you Mr. 0/1? Not that your parents had viable offspring either. I suppose it’s family tradition when your family tree looks like a stump. Seig Heil, Master Farce.

    Enjoy.

  180. FREAKS.
    1st of all, are these people allowed to be driving in the 1st place???
    Where in the Torah does it say that the orthodox can drive automobiles???
    Moses was very much opposed to the Ford Taurus, no?
    Relax, guys. You are no longer in Israel, you don´t need to take every inch and make it a mile. You already have NY, so chill the hell out.

  181. howie,

    The Ford Taurus the golden bull being worshipped that got Moses’ all lathered up?

    I did not know that. (Read in the voice of the pre-dead Johnny Carson)

    Gold is a special order color on that model. Man, it sure is a small and twisted world.

  182. Thought I’d start the day with a good laugh, but I see the punchline hasn’t been back since outed as the racist Jew liar he is.

    Hmmm, SPINDELL? Bwahahahahaha!

    This is how to handle moralizing, pipsqueaking, sanctimonious, psuedo-intellectual hypocrite Jews like Spindell: TELL THE TRUTH.

    The silence of Gentile “defenders” and enablers of the Jew on this thread in response to the catalog of Jew-Talamud evil I provided is deafening — and DAMNING.

    What a bunch of feckless Jew wannabe pussies. With “friends” like you, the Jew doesn’t need enemies.

  183. Mike is celebrating the holidays with his family, Mr. Dipstick. I’m sure when he’s done having his real life, you know – that thing you lack, I’m sure Mike will be back to kick your bigoted ass some more. All to our amusement and your horror.

    So. How’s that working for a Jewish Savior working out for you?

    Still don’t want to answer that? I can understand why.

    Happy Holidays.

    And I say Holidays because the only way a bigoted clown such as yourself is going to find Christmas is if Jesus doesn’t see you coming.

    knock knock

    “Shhhhh! Turn out the lights! It’s that bigot, MrBinary! Yeah, yeah, I still love him. Doesn’t mean I want to see him on a day of celebration though.”

  184. MrB,
    So awash in your own importance that you think my life should revolve around answering your latest crap? I wasn’t on the computer yesterday, nor was I waiting with bated breath for your latest bigoted production. So many quotes seeming to prove your case, but like much else you do, dishonest and lacking context. All of your quotes come from the Talmud, which is a huge combination of debates of issues and laws.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud

    That Wiki link above gives an overview, which anyone interested can check out. The Talmud is a collection of Rabbinic opinion dating back more than 2,000 years. The presentation is in debate form, or in a question form. You provided sentences out of context to the entire passage and you did so in a tradition of anti-Jewish diatribe that goes back at least 700 years, when Church people were looking for means to discredit the Jews. The technique was losing full context and/or outright mistranslation. When you are talking about a collection of books, containing thousands of pages and quoting thousands of opinions I’m sure that the interested bigot can find something to prove, what they are already convinced of. Which ant-Jewish website did you copy your citations from, since nothing you’ve written gives indication of any inherant scholarship on your part? you bascally give rote rehashes of anti-Jewish themes that have become hoary with age, but give you comfort because to your limited conceptual view they agree with your pre-conceptions.

    now we do get your statement that:

    “Me admitting what I am – what a jerk – is not really this issue on this thread. Would it make a difference to you if I was proud to be a free-thinking black man?”

    “Well, I’m originally from Michigan…”

    “My religious beliefs and political leanings have nothing to do with it. We’re talking about “you.” Typical “Jew” misdirection.”

    “I’m married to a Jew, over 30 years, not that it matters, or any of your fucking business, but now that I’ve made it your business, I may not know everything there is to know about THE JEW, but I know a pretentious dick-wad when I see one.”

    “Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.”

    So now if we are to believe you, a dubious proposition at best, you are a black man married long term to a Jewish woman and you got over your prejudice against White People. Isn’t that precious and oh so convenient? convenient at least from the perspective of a bigot, who wants to prove his bigotry is come by logically and really impersonal.
    However, even if all of that is true you are still in hiding as to your true nature. That is disingenuous. You have an agenda that encompasses, but is much broader than just your anti-Jewishness, but you reveal only the portions of it that suit the interest of your debating tactics.

    Now your “wife” could be a Rabbi’s daughter and that would not mean that your are less the bigot. Indeed if she has stayed with you for 30 years one would expect she is a bigot herself and yes Jews come in all flavors, including bigoted ones. Your comments on being black though are I think interesting and telling. Many victims of oppression identify with their oppressors and your curious phrase:

    “Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.”

    Sounds that kind of note. My guess is that you are a Christian Conservative, who sniffs the behind and curries favor with those who have oppressed you. Because the suppression of your rage (outrage?)is so tightly under control it gives form in hatred of Jews, liberals too no doubt, as a means of venting. In truth you actually sound much like a more “out there avatar” of bdaman, who in this new personna has freed himself from the strictures of disguising his own bigotry. Please notice that it is purposeful that I use bigotry descriptively, more than anti-Jewish. Jews may be one of your predilictions but bigotry is the name of your game. Bigotry in any of its forms is disgusting and in that sense so are you.

    The other bigoted technique that runs in a common thread through your vitriol is to reverse the name calling. You fend off charges of bigotry
    by charging Jews with being bigots. As a purported “Black Man” you should be quite familiar with this techniques from after the Civil Rights days, when the White bigots charged Black people with being bigoted against Whites. However, considering that if your are a black man, you are one who is so anxious to kiss White Ass, then of course you would rely on their techniques.

    “Your grammar, she’s not so good.”

    Ah, you cut me to the quick on that just as did some of my Ivy League graduate school professors, who nonetheless gave me A’s on my papers.
    However, you know us Jews, we always find a way.

    “Unsolicited psychoanalysis, stereotypes and comic relief. I think we’re both caricatures, you play your part and I play mine. Why break the illusion? “Seething with rage, barely controlled.” Do you write romance novels on the side? How in the world do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

    Not “rage.” OUTRAGE. And certainly not focused on “other groups and individuals,” at the moment, anyway. Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.”

    I wasn’t seeking your solicitation and my judgment was not psychoanalysis, but mere analysis, based on your own words. Your manner of writing is angry, vitriolic and tends to be macho in terms of your name-calling. “Outrage” is merely a linguistic attempt to put a better face on the hatred and vitriol that seethes within you, despite your attempts to show self control. You are a pathetic, angry man, who projects your own disappointment with life on others, as do most bigots. This isn’t about material success, but about something within you that you can’t deal with and so project onto others, in a vain attempt to find relief. There is no relief for you as long as you engage in sublimated self-hatred. Now that is an analysis of you that I am confident in, because it’s based solely on your own words.

    In fact, there has been another purported black, anti-Jewish bigot on this site of late and I wonder if your MrB isn’t a new identity for bdaman? One that allows the truth of his hatred and bigotry to come out. That is a distinct possibility, but of little moment, since in both instances these pseudonyms convict themselves of bigotry by their own words.

    Lastly, despite your need to try to act all macho and insulting in an attempt to get into peoples faces, you really do come off as a silly man, out of his depth.

    `

  185. Oh, Snap!

    (Why the Hell am I channelling 80s slang today?)

    I hope those grandkids have been keeping you busy, Mike!

  186. Thought I’d end the day with a good laugh.

    Hmmm, MrB? Bwahahahahaha!

    This is how to handle moralizing, pipsqueaking, sanctimonious, psuedo-intellectual hypocrite trolls like MrB: TELL THE TRUTH.

    The silence of non-troll “defenders” and enablers of the troll on this thread in response to the catalog of troll evil is deafening — and DAMNING.

    What a bunch of feckless troll wannabe pussies. With “friends” like you, the troll doesn’t need enemies.

  187. Astraea —

    “Erasing the bike lanes for a religious group violates Separation of Church and State.”

    I think you meant to say, “Synagogue” and State.

  188. Astraea —

    “Christianity is Judaism for Pagan Gentiles. Women and children, boycott Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. Revert to Paganism.”

    You got off to a good start, then took three steps backwards. Pagan? Some “pagans” sacrificed people. No more of that — right? I don’t know what our problem is, but if the answer is “reverting” to “old time religion,” I’m pretty sure we’re asking the wrong questions. Look around. Surrounded by religious fanatics. The goal of religion — “biblical” religion in particular — appears to be to get everyone killed. I could be wrong, but I think we can do better than that.

    Happy Solstice.

  189. Buddha —

    “Mike is celebrating the holidays with his family, Mr. Dipstick. I’m sure when he’s done having his real life, you know – that thing you lack, I’m sure Mike will be back to kick your bigoted ass some more. All to our amusement and your horror.”

    Thanks for bringing it up. This is good example of someone, like you, playing the role of good “Stepford” Jew lackey, laying back and letting someone else do your thinking for you. If you had a brain AND a spine you’d defend the plain speaking racism of the Talamud yourself instead of waiting for a real man — to Spindell’s credit — to do the job for you.

    “So. How’s that working for a Jewish Savior working out for you?”

    If I understand you correctly — I haven’t spoken pig Latin in years — I believe you’re attempting to communicate something about how that Jewish Savior thing is working out for me. Is that it? Don’t bother thanking me, my pleasure. I can’t stand watching dumb animals suffer.

    I am not a Christian. I hope everyone’s happy, because now you stop guessing wrong. I have a saying that pretty much sums up my feelings about Christians and Christianity:

    Anyone willing to let an innocent man die for their sins isn’t worth saving.

    “Still don’t want to answer that? I can understand why.”

    Oh shut up.

    “Happy Holidays.”

    Thanks. And a Happy Solstice to you.

  190. Wymann —

    “Thought I’d end the day with a good laugh. Hmmm, MrB? Bwahahahahaha!”

    Etc., etc., etc.

    Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own. You are no Forrest Gump. Heck, at least Buddha TRIED to speak for himself.

    No happy solstice for you.

  191. “Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own.”

    What, Mr. B?!? Now you’re suggesting you HAVE ideas?

    Bwahahahahaha!

    (Happy Solstice, Mr. B.)

  192. Mr. B
    We don’t have to revive Human Sacrifice, just Goddess Worship. So far historically ALL Religions are about killing Infidels. But we have Laws against Religious use of Peyote. Just have Laws against Human Sacrifice. But then Bush/Cheney (and now Obama) would be in trouble!

    As for Separation of Synagogue and State, shall we say Separation of Religion and State which is the Intent of the phrase, “Separation of Church and State”?

  193. Mr.B

    How about Witchcraft which operates on the Principle of “An ye harm none, do what you will”.

    Happy Solstice to you, too!

  194. Binary,

    My cat’s liter box has more brains than you do, genius, so don’t be too upset when I laugh in your lying hateful bigoted face when you attempt assess my intelligence. It’s not bravado or arrogance when I say I am much smarter than you – it’s a fact. So I’ll trust my assessments and the hundreds of IQ tests administered by psychological professionals I had during my time as a state lab rat over your assessments of my intellect, sunshine. I also literally have clothes smarter than you – well, they can do more calculations per second than you anyway.

    And you can deny what you are all you like, Fundie. I already pointed out you are nothing but a mask change, bdatroll. So have others. Mike S and AY have both called you by your true name. I sure some of the other regulars who are very intelligent, good writer’s and analysts in their own right, and have been battling your troll smut for quite some time now are on to you as well. Most of them have been from the start and all on their own independent analysis of your spewing hatred. So that’d be not just my assessment as to who and what you are, dingo, but the assessment of others here as well.

    Want to take a vote and test my theory? By simple show of hands (aye or nay), how many people think Binary is just another badman mask?

    You’ve just changed tactics because you were getting your ass handed to you over the constant bigotry and the basics of your religion pointing to what a conflicted emotional and intellectual fraud you are.

    I’ve pointed this out already in one of the propaganda lessons. That denial of “I was raised by Christians by I’m not one” nonsense before you started your offensive offensive.

    If you were an actual atheist or agnostic, why go out of the way to affiliate your past with a religion you “discredit” by definition of your “current atheist status” before going on the offensive against Judaism? Unless you thought having a link to Christianity was somehow important to your hatred, er, “arguments”. Christian raised but atheist yet you hate on the Jews? Words have value loads. And that usage had a big old neon sign on it that said “set up for an end run”. You are a sloppy amateur propagandist, sport. And your game is not improving fast enough to stay ahead of the competition here at Res Ipsa Loquitur.

    That’s what you get for sleeping in class but judging by your posts sleeping in class is what you have excelled at your entire life.

    See, once I’ve already pointed out what you are doing tactically as a troll? Kind of makes your denials prove my point. If it didn’t upset you I mentioned your Jewish Savior? Why mention it at all, hm? It should affect you like a reference to Ba’all or Zeus would if you were really an atheist/agnostic. But you run to point out you are not what you associated yourself with as part of your premise.

    Action, reaction. I poked and you responded. A troll biting at troll bait. Imagine that.

    Your “style” is transparent as your tactics. You’re still a vile person by any ethical standard so that just leaves us back where we started: with an ignorant bigot thinking he’s pulling one over on people who see right through him.

    Which is just funny as Hell.

    Dance faster, puppet. Let’s see if you can do a gigue.

  195. Buddha,
    It is no doubt bdaman again, down to his claim to being black. He needs this identity to keep from being called out on his bdaman denials of being a bigot, but then to give him the freedom of giving full rein to his bigotry. Though I posted today at 11:08am, he has not yet replied to me but has made four other comments. This is the bdaman way. He’s admitted it himself. He is now doing “research” before replying to me. A pathetic bigot, who gets his ideas from others and has no hesitation about lying. Here I am the evil Jew manipulating everything. If that’s the case then maybe I’m using another URL to impersonate MrB, so as to manipulate for sympathy. Once you immerse yourself in conspiracy theory it all gets so dicey. Actually, since I’ve already reported him to ZOG, his Christmas Goose is cooked. A silly man, a silly cause and a silly belief. Pathetic and dishonest.

  196. Spindell —

    “So awash in your own importance that you think my life should revolve around answering your latest crap?”

    No more than you, if that’s what you think.

    “I wasn’t on the computer yesterday…”

    I’m not really interested in your life story.

    “…nor was I waiting with bated breath for your latest bigoted production. So many quotes seeming to prove your case, but like much else you do, dishonest and lacking context. All of your quotes come from the Talmud, which is a huge combination of debates of issues and laws.”

    The important part was, “All your quotes come from the Talamud…”

    “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud

    That Wiki link above gives an overview, which anyone interested can check out. The Talmud is a collection of Rabbinic opinion dating back more than 2,000 years. The presentation is in debate form, or in a question form. You provided sentences out of context to the entire passage and you did so in a tradition of anti-Jewish diatribe that goes back at least 700 years, when Church people were looking for means to discredit the Jews. The technique was losing full context and/or outright mistranslation. When you are talking about a collection of books, containing thousands of pages and quoting thousands of opinions I’m sure that the interested bigot can find something to prove, what they are already convinced of. Which ant-Jewish website did you copy your citations from, since nothing you’ve written gives indication of any inherant scholarship on your part? you bascally give rote rehashes of anti-Jewish themes that have become hoary with age, but give you comfort because to your limited conceptual view they agree with your pre-conceptions.”

    You’re using “Wikipedia” as a source and criticizing MY “scholarship”? What a kidder.

    If you had provided the exhonorating “larger contexts” of even one example from the many, many, many to choose from you might be more convincing. Here’s one:

    “Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form.” – Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

    The obvious so-called “out of context” meaning is non-ambiguous. The non-Jew is a sub-human animal intended to serve the Jew. If you can provide a “context” backing-up your claim that this horrendous teaching actually means something other than what it plainly says, do so. If not, it’s just Kosher hot air.

    “So now if we are to believe you, a dubious proposition at best, you are a black man married long term to a Jewish woman and you got over your prejudice against White People. Isn’t that precious and oh so convenient? convenient at least from the perspective of a bigot, who wants to prove his bigotry is come by logically and really impersonal.”

    What is so unusual about a black man marrying a Jewish woman and getting over whitey? Why the obsession with “profiling” me?

    Typical Jew misdirection. You’re supposed to be convincing everyone that Jews are not the racist, genocidal liars the Talamud says they are.

    “However, even if all of that is true you are still in hiding as to your true nature.”

    My “true nature.” That’s just WEIRD.

    “That is disingenuous. You have an agenda that encompasses, but is much broader than just your anti-Jewishness, but you reveal only the portions of it that suit the interest of your debating tactics.”

    AND paranoid. And irrelevant to the question: Is the Talamud Racist? Or, does it teach “nothing of the kind.”

    “Now your “wife” could be a Rabbi’s daughter and that would not mean that your are less the bigot. Indeed if she has stayed with you for 30 years one would expect she is a bigot herself…

    My “wife” is a saint. Howzabout this country nigger kicks your honkey ass.

    “Your comments on being black though are I think interesting and telling. Many victims of oppression identify with their oppressors and your curious phrase:
    “Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.” Sounds that kind of note.”

    More psychoanalysis. To help make his point, apparently the professor here doesn’t realize that the Jews’ identification with THEIR oppressors, the racist Nazis, is apparent to everyone but themselves. Telling, indeed.

    “My guess is that you are a Christian Conservative, who sniffs the behind and curries favor with those who have oppressed you. Because the suppression of your rage (outrage?)is so tightly under control it gives form in hatred of Jews, liberals too no doubt, as a means of venting.”

    Irrelevant slipshod guesswork. MORE psychoanalysis. Jew-guilt misdirection.

    “In truth you actually sound much like a more “out there avatar” of bdaman, who in this new personna has freed himself from the strictures of disguising his own bigotry.”

    Wrong. AGAIN.

    “Please notice that it is purposeful that I use bigotry descriptively, more than anti-Jewish. Jews may be one of your predilictions but bigotry is the name of your game. Bigotry in any of its forms is disgusting and in that sense so are you.”

    Bigot, anti-Jewish, anti-semitic, racist, like I give a fuck what you CALL it, you egotistical preening dick.

    “The other bigoted technique that runs in a common thread through your vitriol is to reverse the name calling. You fend off charges of bigotry
    by charging Jews with being bigots.”

    It’s not a “technique” if the “name calling” FITS. Are you saying Jews are incapable of bigotry? If not, I guess that makes Jews pretty fucking special. If so, what is your point? At best, all you can say is some Jews are bigots, some Jews aren’t. Just like everyone else.

    “As a purported “Black Man” you should be quite familiar with this techniques from after the Civil Rights days, when the White bigots charged Black people with being bigoted against Whites. However, considering that if your are a black man, you are one who is so anxious to kiss White Ass, then of course you would rely on their techniques.”

    Like I need a white man, Jew or otherwise, to explain the Civil Rights movement to me.

    “I wasn’t seeking your solicitation and my judgment was not psychoanalysis, but mere analysis, based on your own words. Your manner of writing is angry, vitriolic and tends to be macho in terms of your name-calling. “Outrage” is merely a linguistic attempt to put a better face on the hatred and vitriol that seethes within you, despite your attempts to show self control. You are a pathetic, angry man, who projects your own disappointment with life on others, as do most bigots. This isn’t about material success, but about something within you that you can’t deal with and so project onto others, in a vain attempt to find relief. There is no relief for you as long as you engage in sublimated self-hatred. Now that is an analysis of you that I am confident in, because it’s based solely on your own words.”

    Off-topic Jew misdirection, speculation, innuendo,and, of course, irrelevant psycho-babble.

    “In fact, there has been another purported black, anti-Jewish bigot on this site of late and I wonder if your MrB isn’t a new identity for bdaman? One that allows the truth of his hatred and bigotry to come out. That is a distinct possibility, but of little moment, since in both instances these pseudonyms convict themselves of bigotry by their own words.”

    Yawn.

    “Lastly…”

    Lastly? You’ve said absolutely nothing. Other than admit, Yes, the Talamud does say Gentiles are sub-human, and, Yes, a lot of other other terrible things, but don’t worry folks, it’s ALL ‘out of context,’ I’m a Jew, I should know, you’re just going to have to take my word for it. Now, instead of actually PROVING that the charges of racism against the Talamud are false by providing the relevant larger context for the whole world to see, let’s psychoanalyze MrB’s “agenda” instead.

    Lastly, my butt.

    “…despite your need to try to act all macho and insulting in an attempt to get into peoples faces, you really do come off as a silly man, out of his depth.”

    I’m sorry. Did you say something? I must have dozed off.

    Happy Solstice.

  197. Women’s Attractiveness to Men is Nature’s Way of Reproducing the Species. Why do Men oppose Women’s Sexuality in Judaism, Islam, and Christianity? Worship Venus, Goddess of Sexual Love, or Mother Goddess who gave Birth to the Universe before God Demonized Her and Usurped Her Throne in Heaven.

  198. Wymann —

    “Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own.”

    Well, at least you enclosed me in quotes this time. I like you. You’re funny.

    Happy Solstice. Seriously.

  199. Astraea —

    “Mr. B, We don’t have to revive Human Sacrifice, just Goddess Worship. So far historically ALL Religions are about killing Infidels. But we have Laws against Religious use of Peyote. Just have Laws against Human Sacrifice. But then Bush/Cheney (and now Obama) would be in trouble! As for Separation of Synagogue and State, shall we say Separation of Religion and State which is the Intent of the phrase, “Separation of Church and State”?”

    Religion and State it is. As long as what we’re doing is voluntary, and not hurting anyone, or violating anyone’s free-will, and, of course, respectful of the environment, I’m all for it. Make love, not money. That’s me.

  200. Never has so much been said by so many that means so little.

    Given the plethora of major issues that fill the world, that this silly, parochial issue has generated 250 comments suggests there is little hope for the world!

  201. Mr.B I’m trying to educate about Goddess Worship because I believe we would have more Peace in the World if we honored Birth-Giving and therefore Life which we don’t worship because we worship the Father God of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity who is a God of War, Death, Misogyny, and Genocide.

  202. Astraea —

    “Mr.B, How about Witchcraft which operates on the Principle of “An ye harm none, do what you will”.”

    For me, there is one Universal, all-encompassing Law: The Law of Free-will. More or less live and let live, unless of course the “manner” in which we choose to live violates someone else’s free-will. Put it however you want. Put it in YOUR OWN words.

    Witchcraft, as I’ve always understood it, white or black, seems to frequently involve the “covert” manipulation of people — through “spells,” hynotic suggestion, psycho-linguistics, altered states of consciousness — without their knowledge, and therefore against their wills. That BOTHERS me.

  203. Mr.B Sounds like Politics to me not Witchcraft which got a bad name from Christianity. Witchcraft, at least now, says whatever you send out returns threefold to you.

  204. “Wymann —

    “Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own.”

    Well, at least you enclosed me in quotes this time. I like you. You’re funny.

    Happy Solstice. Seriously.

    I won’t take anyone seriously until they can at least spell my name correctly.

    And I’ll give you props for hanging in the longest with the most inflammatory comments. You do know the buttons to push.

  205. Mr.B

    What do you think about Good Samaritan Laws? I read The Fall by Sartre in which the “hero” had to tell his story of failing to be a Good Samaritan for eternity until somebody said he was right to not save the drowning woman because he was a Misogynist although he opened doors for Women. The Good Samaritan Law deprives People of determining their Spiritual Orientation by forcing behavior on them legally instead of giving them Free Will to do what’s Right.

  206. Love Spells by Novices may involve Violations of Free Will but that is frowned upon by Long Practicing Witches as it Violates Free Will according to what I’ve read.

  207. Buddha —

    Here, catch, an olive branch.

    Unless Spindell decides to prove his point, I’m done. If he can’t or won’t, I don’t blame him for not trying. There is nothing a “larger context” could possibly say to undo what we can read with our own eyes. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I won’t make that mistake again. Promise.

    The only other time I feel “outrage” the way I sometimes feel “outrage” toward “the Jews” is when reading about, or watching a YouTube, or actually witnessing police brutality. I have never personally experienced police brutality, but I’ve got eyes. Call it “Bully Syndrome.” I know associating police brutality with the Jews seems counterintuitive. In spite of their achievements, and they are many, the Jews continue to see and portray themselves as victims. Never as the schoolyard “bully.”

    Spindell, you’re the psychoanalyst, the one with all the Harvard book-learnin — what’s it all mean?

    I’m not “bdaman” or whoever it is you’re clucking about. Little offended some jerk-off’s getting credit for my effort, such as it is. Think what you will. My word, such as it is, I have not knowingly or deliberately lied about anything I’ve said. I may be a bigot, I may be wrong, I may be misinformed, but I’m not a liar.

  208. To all of the people that have posted anti-semitic vitriol/rhetoric:

    You sound like a gang of clowns and little Neo-Nazi thug wannabes.

    You are human scum, like after a rain storm and the sanitary sewers overflow. That little bit of filth you have to scrape off the bottom of your shoe. I think Somerset Maugham called you “human detritus”.

    Pretty appropriate in your case, the disintegration of your soul and intellect is an apt metaphor wouldn’t you say?

    That same sort of tribal bullshit thinking is what caused WWII. You wouldn’t know an independent mind if it bit you on the ass. Lame ass tribalists, just like your weak sister Nazi “supermen” brothers, they had to hide in a crowd as well.

    You are nothing but pansies as most of the real Nazis were. If your type of thinking wasn’t so dangerous, it would be pathetic. That is the trouble with weak minds though, they need the crowd to feel powerful. Individually they are impotent, it is only the group that gives them their self worth.

    Your type couldn’t stand on your own 2 feet without a crutch. It is a shame your crutch is stupidity and hatred.

  209. I think you know where you can stick that olive branch, bigot. Or maybe not. You’re not very bright. Especially if you think I’d make peace with a hate-pig like yourself. I am enthalpy to your entropy, sport. There – now you have some vocabulary homework.

    And don’t worry. Mike does a fine job making you look like a fool. Its kinda like shooting fish in a barrel, but hey, Mike likes seafood. Even if you’re not bdaloser, which you are Mr. Unable To Hide Your Bad Writing Habits, you’re still a big enough jerk-off on your own merits to deserve the scorn all small minded bigots deserve for not having enough self-control to keep their hatred internalized where it can eat away at their blackened twisted malfunctioning souls without being hate pollution for everyone else, troll. You get credit for that no matter what name you use. You’ve proven that you are what you is quite well. In fact, that is the only thing you have proven. That and that you are indeed a liar – from your identity to your insane revisionist pseudo-history.

    Here’s a suggestion. How about taking your traveling road show over to Marco’s blog for a while. Spread the hate. You two socially maladaptive clowns should get along just fine.

  210. Ass Tray:

    If I was a Jew in 1933 Germany I would have boycotted as well. By that time Germany was well on it’s way to being a Totalitarian State.

    It is too bad they didnt all leave in 1933, the ones that could see what was coming did.

  211. “My “wife” is a saint. Howzabout this country nigger kicks your honkey ass.”

    Be careful what you wish for, it might bite you in the ass. Seriously,
    bdaman this is the best you can do and it took you hours to compose it? You’ve threatened me once before and it got you nowhere. As Jimmy Cliff wrote “The Harder They Come, the Harder They Fall.” I don’t know if you’re black or not, but it does seem that for someone who has shown themselves to be a liar and a fool, pretending to be Black, non Christian, or even married to a Jew would not be a long stretch.

    As for using Wiki as a source below it I wrote:

    “That Wiki link above gives an overview, which anyone interested can check out.”

    This was used obviously, to those with even a trace of integrity, to let non-Jews unfamiliar with the Talmud be able to verify the truth of my words. Having been a well educated Jew all my life I didn’t have to track down each and every one of your quotes, obtained from some bigoted website since you evince no knowledge of your own, to know they were taken out of context. In reality researching your drivel would be a waste of my time since it is all “canned crap” from other sources, or macho pretension to convince people you have a big penis and are a “tough guy.”

    The Midrash which you quote out of context is another large collection of material written over more than two thousand years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash

    To house both the compendiums might take a ten foot wide bookcase, that was over eight feet high. You familiarity with this is of course
    non-existent, since you get all your material spoon-fed to you from your bigoted sources and/or writings that agree with your warped viewpoint. Most of what I write here while addressed to you is actually for others benefit, since you have a long history here of ignoring that which is inconvenient and misquoting that which is written.

    You are just an angry, rage-filled man, with a need to overcompensate for your manhood by acting tough. The really tough men I’ve known in life, there have been many, didn’t run their mouths off because they were secure enough in themselves not to have to. You run your mouth off for obvious and pathetic reasons. Declare victory all you want, but we all know who’s won this encounter. To be honest it is more an amusement than a struggle.

  212. Mike S. I swear on my Fathers Grave I never posted once in this thread.

    I have been specifically avoiding it, just like the 9-11 thread after they started a serious scientific discussion.

    If you look you will see I have spent ALL MY TIME on the Sarah Palin GW thread.

    Like I told Byron before, I have no problem posting under BDAMAN
    and most definately would of not used the N word.

    Oh now that i read more Buddah things that’s me to

    Well it’s not, so don’t accuse me of it.

    You guys know me better than that, I’m a copy/paster

  213. Buddah, no wonder you didn’t respond to a couple of my post.

    I just thought you and I might have turned the corner when you said you were going to shock me.

    Buddah that ain’t me in this thread, I SWEAR ON MY FATHERS GRAVE, it ain’t me.

  214. And to know that you care enough to send only the very best. Fudge Packing available in certain areas only and a limited audience.

  215. Uh.

    Huh.

    What happens to ALL badmen when the children of liberty speak with unity?

    With unity, we speak in the name of justice for all in a choir, furious angles, as loud as thunder.

    Hatred will not win the day by any name.

  216. Angels would have been the better visual, but furious angles could be serious trouble too, buster. I have a coffee table that has removed an easy 14 oz. of flesh with its furious angle.
    _____

    See trolls, that’s advanced English usage.

    Dramatic setup. Malapropism. Self-effacing punchline.

    And a stake driven through a troll’s small heart with Van Helsing precision.

    If you amateur propagandists haven’t figured out yet, despite me being a sloppy typist? I am not just deft with the language. I am an deep well of strategy.

    Enjoy me being able to destroy your hateful messages in ways you cannot comprehend or see coming, no matter your name.

    Really.

    It’s the least I can do to stomp out bigotry.

  217. I did mention that’s also a compound joke? No. Well it’s that too.

    You guys are in way way over your heads.

  218. Did I point out it’s also a practical lesson on both trollery an good ethical practice in pursuit of being a better human being and perhaps a little enlightenment on the way?

    I’m also a mutli-purposing multi-tasker.

    I can growl, inspire, teach and make a joke at the same time.

    Do you hateful anti-Semitics and general bigots really wish to continue to battle such as I?

    Because I have more men and women here at this blog right behind me that make Spartans look like lightweights when it comes to dissecting and disinfecting hatred and propaganda and general bullshit.

  219. Spindell —

    You had your chance, fraud. All I asked for is the larger context that YOU claim exhonorates the racist bilge spewing out of your beloved Talmud. Obviously you can’t, or you would have. More Jew lies, misdirection, obfuscation and irrelevant ad hominin attacks. What we’ve come to expect from defenders of the inexcusable.

    Palestinian body-parts, anyone? Call 1-800-JewsRGhouls.

    Buddha —

    When you tire of being a butt-boy for the Jews, which, ineffectual as you are is apparently all you’re good for, give me a call. It’s true you know. Once you’ve tried black, you can’t go back.

    Let’s try that olive branch again. Here, boy, FETCH! Thaaat’s a good boy.

    Bdaman —

    This inbred, semi-literate hot-house of paranoia is alllll yours!

  220. I am requesting professor Turley grab my IP address and compare it to any posting in this thread. He has done it before with Patty C when someone used her name to post. When he found out it was true he banned that person.

    I stand accused of posting in this thread under another name. I call on Professor Turley as the owner of this blog and respectfully request that he look at my IP address and compare it to whom ever you believe is me in this thread.

    Please ask him yourself to do the same and to post his results here in this thread.

    I have apologized in the past for my actions.

    Once exonerated, I would expect the same.

  221. “Spindell —
    You had your chance, fraud.”

    A tactic for a pathetic bigot who has been demolished is to declare victory. You know in your heart though, that you’ve been shown to be the sad case that you are, but as I said before your self worth is so nebulous that you’ll do anything to convince yourself you are saving face. Sad, rage filled and hating man that you are.

  222. Okay, I confess. I’m white, Christian, and married to an Episcopalian.

    And yes, you’re just too dog-gone smart for me — I am BDAMAN!

    Bwahahahahahahaha!

    Sorry, Bdaman, couldn’t resist. Why on earth if you were me and trying to hide your “true identity” would you call yourself a BLACK man again? Little obvious, doncha think? Of course, figuring that out would be giving this “special ed” room of misantrope liars and useful idiot Jew stooges a little too much credit.

    “Out of context.” Bah! Humbug!

    P.S. Er, Spindell, you’ve got a piece of toilet paper stuck to your chin. Don’t mention it. That’s what friends are for.

  223. Doesn’t matter, I just know that I have not posted in this thread other than to defend myself.

    Thats between you and them so leave me out of it.

    I proposed that this could be verified.

    As far as I’m concerned I’m done with it.

  224. Hey, guess what! Today is mixes metaphor day!

    I know how easy it is to fake a digital ID. Fake name, fake mask, fake outrage. You know. Fakes. As in frauds. Like the people and policies that drive you troll-puppets in general.

    I know exactly who you are. Worse still, I know what you are. Name? What’s in a name? A pile of dog shit by any other name is still a pile of dog shit.

    You are the same bigot(s) that have been plaguing this blog for some time. I don’t give a damn if you are 3 people and a parrot – keep up the hatred and stupidity and I’ll continue to make you look like jackasses.

    As will all the other regulars.

    So the Mask Bait and Switch won’t work here. “It ain’t me!” isn’t going to work because you fail to see the relevant parts of this transaction. IP’s? E-mail addresses? Irrelevant in this case. Even if different people, which you are not based upon your content and style, you both still represent the hatred and division.

    That makes you the enemy of liberty, justice and freedom. That makes you both targets. Name? What’s in a name? A hate-filled little Nazi is a . . . well, even the semi-literate usually know how the sonnet goes.

    I say your identities are irrelevant in this case.

    I know. I am one person now. Once upon a time, I was Legion. I could be again. Easily. Just like I could rig an ABA election if I wanted.

    I can be lots of me’s. Or even invisible me’s. I could hide my identity and tracks well enough the NRO would think I was a 12 year old girl in Sumatra one minute and Washington cab driver the next. I can be a ghost in the machine should I so desire. But no, I keep one thin mask now. Because I chose to speak with one voice. The reasons why I chose this are irrelevant except for one: the Constitutional crisis had gone too far for playing games anymore.

    I’m the enemy of fascism and hatred and greed and selfish myopic stupidity. I am a defender of the Constitution and the ideals of the Declaration. I fight for justice and liberty FOR ALL. I became one in part because I had found a blog where there were like minded people – from different backgrounds for sure and different (often conflicting) opinion, but good people with the same spirit and determination that evil will not be allowed to prevail no matter what mask it wears.

    So don’t expect me to buy “it’s not me!” defense based on your “word” or your IP. My assessment is based on your (consistent) content and my knowledge of propaganda tactics. I read and called this play WHILE in play, sports fans. I wasn’t the only one either. It’s hard to play the “It’s not me card” when other players on the field called and read your audible in real time. Player(s)? Not hardly. Too bad your little strategery went South on you. Try it over at HuffPo. They’re amateurs enough to fall for it if you can get past their moderation (which is a joke in itself, but that’s another story).

    It’s your common message and the common style of writing. Writers have voice. Bad one’s can only maintain one. I know this because in that arena? I am also Legion. Your messages of hate and intolerance and bigotry that are the rotten rose that smells the rotten rose. So what difference does the florist make? Not a damn bit.

    Actually, I was going to continue the Shakespeare/gardening/sports theme, but in truth roaches are a better analogy.

    I don’t care what the names of the disease spreading vermin are individually – it’s the elimination of the diseases that are important. Not which individual roach gets credit as prime infection vector, Patient Zero. You clowns, or singular clown, are in a kitchen where the lights are turned on. There’s more than one cook in here and we’re all willing to stomp out the sickness you carry. Scurry roaches scurry!

    Be one person. Be a thousand.

    We’ll still stomp you out.

    Our cause is just – the preservation of liberty and the restoration of the Rule of Law and the Constitution. That will mean stomping out unreasoned bigotry and hatred because those are the tools the Evil in the world use to keep greater unity from forming. Tools of division. Because unity is THEIR enemy. When enough people realize what the 1% have done? They will meet the same fate as the French Royals (and King George II and the Romans and the Nazi Germans and the Fascist Italians and the Imperial Japanese and you should really be getting the historical picture by now – that whole “rules at the consent of the governed” things ISN’T a theory, jackasses, it’s math in action). No amount of money will stop it from happening once unity reaches critical mass. Here at RIL we are more unified than your lot is used to encountering. We will prevail in the long run. Why? Because we are of the greater good for the greater good, not the ego worship and venal myopia people like you represent: the 1%’s who think only for what they WANT (not need) and are willing to sacrifice THE WORLD in their pursuit of the illusion of power – an illusion the grave one day disabuses all men and women of. It’s that 1% that pulls the stings on you puppets whether they issue you a paycheck or you’re just stupid enough to swallow enough of the propaganda kool-aid. One person, two, a thousand, you are puppets for people who would fill their bank accounts with your blood just as they would ours. You are the tools of sociopaths, roach boy(s).

    But don’t expect me (or others) to not stomp out the roaches simply because SOMEONE IS PURPOSEFULLY RELEASING THEM INTO THE HOUSE.

    Ever see the movie “Pacific Heights”? Well, you hate-trollkind are Michael Keaton’s character.

    Unfortunately, you stepped into the wrong movie. You’re trying to drive out a renter and we are fighting the forces of Sauron. We’ll trample you underfoot on our path to defend Minas Tirith. You clowns think you’re the Nazgûl.

    Sorry, you’re just orcs.

    But We the People are the Fellowship of this ring. And through adversity, through fear and danger and imminent threat, this Fellowship cannot be broken either.

    But you orcs sure can take a beating in the process. It’s good entertainment and won’t stop us from eventually getting Cheney, er, Saruman or his boss the Saudi Royal Family/Big Oil/Theocratic Fascist set, er, Sauron.

    So again. Be one orc. Be a thousand. This is the Citadel of Minas Tirith. Mankind will win this day over the forces of darkness.

  225. “Okay, I confess. I’m white, Christian, and married to an Episcopalian.
    And yes, you’re just too dog-gone smart for me — I am BDAMAN!
    Bwahahahahahahaha!”

    Whatever you are you remain a pathetic loser, who copies information from loser websites and is so filled with self loathing that the only way you can exist is to project that hatred onto others. Since Buddha has completely deconstructed your methodology, I can just sit back and laugh at the pathos that is you, despite whatever need you have to keep the truth about yourself secret, fostered by your own disgust with who you are.

  226. Spindell —

    And putting words in your opponent’s mouth (“claim victory”?) is the tactic of a self-declared expert who makes claims he can’t back up.

    Mike, if you would simply show the larger context, for the benefit of others listening in and no doubt hanging on your every word, and demonstrate as the scholar you pretend to be how the quotes I provided are taken out of context, I’ll admit I’m wrong and, like I said, not make the same mistake again.

    You have fallen into the trap of simply repeating an argument (racist quotes are “taken out of context”), and making it your own without knowing what the fuck you’re talking about.

    And what possible difference could it make as to “where” I copied and pasted the quotes? If you know of a “pro”-Jewish website drawing attention to this scathing catalog of evil that DOES provide a larger context, say so. I said the Talmud was racist. You said it wasn’t. I provided racist quotes from the Talmud. You said the quotes are taken out of context. Okay, that’s certainly possible, so I asked you to prove it by showing the larger context. You haven’t because no larger context reversing the plain meaning and obvious racsism of the text exists. You know it, I know it, now everybody knows it.

    It’s not necessary for me to “claim victory.” You’ve thrown in the towel. Thanks for your help in exposing MORE Jew bullshit lies.

  227. “I win!”

    That’s just what Mussolini said as the rope tightened up. Not many people know that.

    Saying one is a victor is a far different thing than actual victory, bdaloser.

    Too bad you’ve tried that tactic before too, Jim. And you lost that time too, hate monger.

    Imagine that. We don’t have to. We saw it all happen the first time. Just like we’ll see it happen again as long as you puppets dance for your masters.

    Dance, bad monkeys, dance! Your master is really laying into that calliope so you better pick up the pace or it’s no banana for you! Or worse. He may give you the “special banana” for giving such a perpetually poor performance.

    After all, there is a secondary market in bush meat and the guys you work for are really interested in maximizing profits.

    Kinda like their hero (and your by extension) the ever efficient Reinhardt Heydrich.

    $$$$$$$$$

    It’s what’s for dinner.

  228. “And putting words in your opponent’s mouth (“claim victory”?) is the tactic of a self-declared expert who makes claims he can’t back up.”

    A tactic you began as shown above. I already informed you that I wasn’t going to provide context for your quotes and explained why. Your dishonesty is such that you ignored response. One of the tactics the NAZI’s were famous for, which Goebbels himself bragged about was “The Big Lie.” This is basically to repeat an untruth, or half-truth often enough until it gains credence. This tactic is especially effective with your feeble-minded cohorts. I’m not playing, because you’ve got nothing to show, especially in personal knowledge. Just a pathetic man, unable to cope with the distress/anxiety of his own inner hatred and so tries to relieve it by projecting it on others. All you are worth is the short time it takes me to type this and ridicule you.

  229. MrB,

    I had already intended to more than once be upon my way as this website focuses overwhelmingly on people’s failures and shortcomings rather than the miracle and beauty of life. Spending any more time here than absolutely critical leaves me with a heavier and heavier heart. I’m simply not well-suited for such environments.

    Still, I will address you before continuing on my merry way.

    You have a valid point. I know what you’re referring to and yes, it’s there. It’s just not someplace people go to willingly, rather like pulling teeth. The enviromnent, culture, and religion I was raised in has it too. If you prod around a tad, you might be surprised at what else Martin Luther authored beside his more well known works.

    For me, part of growing and maturing in life required that I let go of what is no longer valuable to me, and bring into my life that which is, from people and places around this wonderous world of ours.

    In my opinion, you have a valid claim. It’s not limited to just the particular trail you’re on though. Whether it’s truly important to you, only you can decide. Realize you’ll find little company there because there’s no beauty there.

    I’ve enjoyed our chat and the interaction I’ve had with some truly wonderful people on this site. I think you’re one of them.

    Toodle-oo.

  230. Human Reproduction of the Species requires Sexual Attraction Between Men and Women It is Ordained by Nature (God?) To suppress that is Death Cult instead of Fertility Cult like killing Overpopulation of Deer

  231. Buddha:

    “I know exactly who you are. Worse still, I know what you are. Name? What’s in a name? A pile of dog shit by any other name is still a pile of dog shit.”

    Do you suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous trolls?

    or

    “Hang, cur! hang, you trollson, insolent noisemaker!”

  232. Spindell —

    “I already informed you that I wasn’t going to provide context for your quotes and explained why. Your dishonesty is such that you ignored response.”

    If you’re talking about the bookshelves of material you’d have to sort through to prove your point, you’re right, I did ignore it. If you’re too lazy or inept or unprepared to back-up your claims, like I did by providing racist quotes from the Talmud supporting MY claims, then maybe you should shut the fuck up and not make statements you can’t substantiate.

  233. “If you’re too lazy or inept or unprepared to back-up your claims, like I did by providing racist quotes from the Talmud supporting MY claims, then maybe you should shut the fuck up and not make statements you can’t substantiate.”

    I’m neither lazy nor inept. However, you just can’t realize that I don’t dance to your bigoted ranting. Your technique, as I stated before is “The big Lie” and I won’t play your game. As for you to go to a certain website and obtain quotes that agree with your bigotry is the work of a lazy and unprepared person. There is no reason for me to expend effort refuting you other than to provide the truth of the matter, which I did but you so conveniently ignore. If I was dealing with a real person, with real issues, rather than a bigot like yourself, there would be some purpose in enlightening you, because you need it. As it is I’m content to get under your skin as your continued reliance on profanity and vituperation indicates is happening. Better learn to control that (out)rage or it will kill you physically.

  234. Food for Thought:

    As Spindell has rightly said, accusations of racism related to the Talmud have dogged the Jews for centuries.

    If, as Spindell says, the catalog of racist evil in the Talmud (and Old Testament, for that matter) has simply been “taken out of context,” you’d think after all this time the “larger” context exonerating the Talmud of racist intent would be more readily available. Much in the same way others HAVE made the catalog of racist evil of the Talmud readily available.

    If someone can take the time and make the effort to find evidence of racism in the Talmud “out” of context, someone else can take the time and make the effort to place the evidence in its “larger” context.

    Why, we have to wonder, if, as Spindell maintains, the racism of the Jew Talmud can be explained and exonerated by a larger context, why has the Jew not bothered to
    make the comparisons and a “larger context” available after “centuries” of “unfair” accusations? If a NON-Jew can take the time and make the effort to produce racist quotes “out” of context, then certainly a JEW could easily produce the SAME list “in” context, which would settle the issue once and for all. The Jew refuses to do so, even after “centuries” of complaining about it.

    There is only one reason NOT to provide an exonorating larger context:

    There IS no larger exonerating context.

    The Talmud is blatantly, unapologetically, and undeniably anti-Gentile, and therefore RACIST. The Talumd was written BY Jews FOR Jews. Therefore, the JEW is racist.

    Simple enough propostion. Maybe even Dumb and Dumber can follow the logic. But, somehow I doubt it.

  235. MrB! What’s the matter son? Are you getting enough rest, old bean? Is everything okay at home? Hate, hate, hate, hate and blood spurts out your nose? Aneurysms will put a cramp in your day, ‘lil Hater! Have you considered switching to decaf? Maybe knocking a little of the processed sugar out of your diet. Add a lot of fiber while you’re at it. It’ll help that “other” thing afflicting you.

    Couldn’t hurt.

  236. Well, Dumber’s been heard from.

    Thaaaat’s a good butt-boy. You’re a GOOD butt-boy, aren’t you, yes you are!

    Maybe next time you’ll come prepared to atually DEFEND the racist sewage oozing out of the Jew’s “holy” books instead of playing the useful idiot Jew stooge.

    If you can overlook and excuse the Gentile-bashing racism of the Jews, why can you not overlook and excuse the Jew-bashing bigotry of a Gentile?

    I know. Rather than answer honestly (my goodness, you might have to think for yourself) you’d rather show us how clever you are by changing the subject and making this about me.

    Defend the racism of the Talmud. I DARE you.

    Okay boy, FETCH!

  237. I don’t have to defend anything from your ridiculous crap. And butt-boy? How about you pull that micro encephalitic head of yours out of Rush’s if you can’t do any better than that at insults. It sure is fun to poke you and watch you foam at the mouth. I will stipulate that. It’s no secret. I have been known to play with my food. I’ve seen me do it. But not today.

    See, this is how this works: You just want to trade insults now to keep your hate flowing because all of your arguments have been reduced to rubble like the trash they are.

    When it comes to insult, I will win. This is simply not a fair fight. Any of the regulars and readers would attest to this fact. Even the Professor himself would probably stipulate that I have zero to prove in that department.

    I can administer kisses as soft as spring rain or I can leave a scorched radioactive wasteland. But the choice is always mine, sport. Not yours.

    I’ve done all the damage to this identity that I need to and my goal is accomplished. Unless you have some other group you’d like to spread your bigotry to and even then, the barn door has been open way too long.

    See, once you start to really unravel as you have? There’s no more point in denouncing your hatred and lies now. Your hatred has been turned against you and you are a parody of yourself now – an ineffective cartoon of thuggish buffoonery, a cartoon Nazi. You have seen what Bugs used to do to them, right? So no, I won’t be defending that which needs no more defense from you. You’ve been smacked down and now you are just trying to get attention like a spoiled child kicking and screaming on the Wal-Mart floor because Momma didn’t get him the Newt Gingrich doll with the kung-fu grip.

    I don’t reward that kind of behavior. No matter how much fun I would personally have.

    You have nice day now. And seriously. Think about the decaf.

  238. Come on guys it’s Christmas Eve for CHRIST SAKE.

    Can you at least wait til monday to continue your discussion?

    Just don’t post in this thread, take a break already.

  239. Byron,

    One must do something to stay entertained while everyone else is in a food induced coma. ;) And I must rest up for round two, which doesn’t start cooking for another 3 hours. I’ve about sliced and diced all I can at this point without actually staring to cook proper. If you’re wondering what brought on the snoring here? I’m going to say two words that knowing you have worked in Louisiana will probably make you a little jealous.

    Crawfish Fettucini

    Old School from scratch including the pasta.

    I can barely move.

    I hope you are all equally miserable. :D

  240. Nate —

    “In my opinion, you have a valid claim. It’s not limited to just the particular trail you’re on though. Whether it’s truly important to you, only you can decide. Realize you’ll find little company there because there’s no beauty there.”

    Thanks. I have no use for fanatics of any kind, religious or otherwise. “Biblical” religion is the worst. Btw, I’m just as “nice” to big-mouth Muslims and Christians as I am to big-mouth Jews. Hate to tell you, but YOU’RE company. Beauty, yes, AND the horror. It’s not the “best” of religion that bothers me. It’s the “worst” of it that bothers me, the EVIL done in the name of god and religion. Shoving evil back in its ugly face is a beautiful thing.

    “I’ve enjoyed our chat and the interaction I’ve had with some truly wonderful people on this site. I think you’re one of them.”

    Likewise. This is the only thread I’ve engaged on this site, linked here through the ridiculous bicycle story. Time to move along. Might play fetch with Buddha some more, arm’s getting a little tired. But he seems to be enjoying himself and probably needs the exercise.

    Cheers!

  241. Astraea,
    I have a long history on this site of expressing the fact that I despise Bibi, Likud and his current government. Beyond that I decry religious fundamentalism of any sort and somehow you impress me as a fundamentalist in your own way, which puts you in the same league as those major religions you decry. Wiccans are fine with me, as are many Pagan beliefs, especially the worship of Gaiea. However, the history of all these so-called non traditional beliefs is such that over zealous practitioners have through the ages acted just as badly as any major religion.

    This is confirmed by Frasers’ “The Golden Bough,” Joseph Campbell’s entire body of work and Graves’ “White Goddess.” Offtimes one immerses themselves in a particular belief but fails to note the context of that belief and it leads to a narrowness of viewpoint. For instance your comment”

    “Mr.B, How about Witchcraft which operates on the Principle of “An ye harm none, do what you will”.”

    This formulation as you go on to explain it later is actually the basis and true justification of all religions. It was iterated first in the historical record by Confuscuious, The Buddha, Rabbi Hillel, Jesus and Mohammed. It also is at base in Hellenistic thought and in Hindu belief. The problem of any religious discipline is usually never the core belief or prophetic teachings, but those of the next generation of disciples who become entrapped in actually developing a canon and also become awash in their own ego’s.

    The history of the so-called “Pagan” religions, I don’t consider them less legitimate than all others, is sadly just as horrible and bloody as those that have current primacy. It is one thing to preach treating our fellow humans as we would treat ourselves and quite another to actually make that one’s true life practice.

  242. Buddha:

    you make pasta? Damn you are my hero :)

    The closest I have ever come to fresh pasta is when the eggs and flour are on the counter at the same time.

  243. “Mike Spinell
    Do you agree with Bibi? You never objected.”

    “Mike Spindell
    Not Bibi Netanyahu Bibi commenter above”

    Astraea,
    The “bibi” commentor above made three small comments, similar in content to those from “mazuza” above in that it was anti-Jewish posters that were posing as Jews trying to represent what Jewish supposedly believe. Did you really think that any of their comments were honest posting? Frankly, their techniques was so obvious and their commentary so rudimentary that I didn’t bother to respond to their nonsense. Your asking me that question, not referring to the PM of Israel, was a similar tactic to the question of “When did you stop beating your wife?” and I thought you had a little more dpeth than that. It is obvious from the range of your comments that you don’t like Jews, but then you aren’t a fan of Islam, or Christianity either. Given that, to be honest, I didn’t respond to some of the things you said in your earlier posts because you seem to stake out a point of view that goes far beyond hatred of Jews.

    Since this is your right and since a good part of your feeling comes from your own, different belief system, far be it from me to try to dissuade you from your opinions. However, I did note several sources that you could read that might give you a fuller context of the history of your own beliefs. By the way Joseph Campbell, who has written extensively on religion and mythology was neither a fan of Judaism, nor Christianity and he viewed Islam with a jaundiced eye.
    Nevertheless, he was in his time one of the great scholars of the entire philosophical/theological scene and there is much to profit in reading him. Especially the understanding that murderous religious activity far preceded the establishment of either Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

    This murderous behavior sprang from many of the forerunners of your own beliefs as briefly detailed here. While all religions/philosophies came about by the desire of humanity to learn to live with itself in harmony, they all have at one time or another been coopted by those of sociopathic bent, who have misused faith as a means of gaining power and wreaking havoc. No belief has “clean hands” historically and the real solution towards comity of humanity is the understanding that even good things can be used for evil and the real issue has always been the sociopaths among us.

  244. Mkie Spindell

    I don’t “hate Jews”; I hate Sexism and Genocide and I find them both in Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.

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  248. Fuck these people. Seriously… If they have a problem not staring, that’s THEIR problem, not hte problem of the women in bike shorts.

  249. I hope people will have the next World Naked Bike Ride through their town just to piss them off. Miserable religious retards. One of the best things in the world is a woman in bike shorts.

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