We have yet another example of abuse by Sharia authorities. In Indonesia, three members of the Sharia police arrested a 20-year-old student who was accused of immoral relations with her boyfriend. They allegedly took the woman to the police station and took turns raping her until she was hospitalized with internal bleeding.
Police have arrested two of the three officers, who they say carried out the crime on Friday (considered the “day of goodness” for Muslims).
The men had been hired by the chief of Langsa Shariah Police to impose Sharia law and police the streets for signs of immorality. The province opened its first Sharia court in 2003.
For the full story, click here.
Sharia, coming to a town near you.
Sharia Law, wherein the writings in a holy book are held to be more important than the Constitution. That sounds like the Republican Party.
rcampbell,
Touche’
rcampbell:
Please prove your point. Prove where the GOP has policy to make religion (I presume Christianity) rule over the Constitution…or whatever point you are trying to make.
Virtually all the most important laws (against murder, rape, theft, etc) are only based in morality.
RC maybe you should read this for a dose of reality.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET:
1 – A JOB,
2 – A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 – SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 – WELFARE,
5 – FOOD STAMPS,
6 – CREDIT CARDS
7 – SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 – FREE EDUCATION,
9 – FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 – A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
11 – BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 – AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION…
Bdaman,
I hear they have a swift boat for you. The trip includes either you choice of Gitmo, were they have a Bed and Boarding for you. Showering at the option of the director.
If you make it to the mainland. You will be most welcome as moths on a summer day. Please chose accordingly.
Your very life may depend upon it.
Also, are you native American? If not, why complain. You are what you complain about you are guilty.
Awww Ay are we a little touchy this morning. Hangovers can do that.
Why can’t we be more like North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, China, Venezuela, and Cuba, instead of Great Britain, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Japan, Australia, Italy, and Canada?
I mean, Venezuela has the right idea- Mexicans are crossing the border to spy on us.
Bdaman,
You are correct, I presume you speak from experience. You did experimenting again last night, I presume?
Tootie:
Defense of Marriage Act.
I noticed it in your posts, spelling errors and the lack of focus.
Me, don’t drink, don’t smoke. What do I do. Subtle innuendo’s follow, there must be something inside.
For Tootie:
A couple of years ago I was driving up I75 in Michigan, and went by a (presumably fundamentalist) megachurch. On their large sign by the highway, it said “The Bible is All the Constitution We Need.” How many Democrats do you suppose belong to that church?
Well is that not all and good?
Thank you and when you do seen a spelling error and you will. Please note this in your journal for future reference. Thank you kindly for your consideration.
I see beyond is not spelled beyound. But then again, you corrected your post as you are focused on the topic at hand.
Buddha will be back, he has assured me.
I swear; to some of you, everything is about partisan politics.
The problem here stems from permitting religious organizations to create and enforce laws that violate basic human rights. It is a good sign that two of the three Sharia Police Officers have been arrested, but the bigger problem is that they are permitted to exist in the first place.
Could you imagine what would take place in the U.S. if a religious organization tried to arrest people on the public streets?
Oh I have spellin errors all the time, gramma too. Don’t bother me none. It’s kinda like making stupid comments, everybody does it from time to time. On a slow day I’ll correct’em but I won’t be typocritical to point them out knowing that I will again make a mistake. History is funny that way, so is typing.
Yea I saw Buddah the other day but only for a brief moment. Sure does move around alot.
I just heard Joe Biden making remarks to a prayer breakfast-what party is he from again?
How come Democrats always campaign from the pulpit of Black Churches?
Duh,
The “Wilayatul Hisbah” is actually a law enforcement organization (albeit a very poorly trained and supervised when compared with the “normal” police) of the province government of Aceh.
And, strictly speaking, they’re not enforcing Sharia, but provincial bylaws which are “just” modeled very closely on the Sharia by the province legislator.
How come Democrats always campaign from the pulpit of Black Churches?
Because Republican won’t.
Can you be any more disrespectful on King’s day than to turn this into political theater?
Berliner,
Are you saying that the Sharia Police are government sanctioned police officers? If so, why not just combine them with the regular police force?
It’s one thing for the government to regulate public morality, but private morality, unless it violates an involved parties basic rights, must be viewed in a bad light.
I second Stephen Pitt.
Can you be any more disrespectful on King’s day than to turn this into political theater?
On that part only.
Tootie,
Actually, that’s a great question. As a Party platform, might be hard to find. As a candidate…
How’s this for a compromise, we edit RCambell’s statement too:
“Sharia Law, wherein the writings in a holy book are held to be more important than the Constitution. That sounds like some in the Republican Party.”
Much better Gyges, We will have to wait for RC’s approval of edit though.
Abortion and authoritarian control of a women’s right to choose.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/nailed_by_the_insecure.html
Neo-Republican policy is to protect male control over women using fear, religion and violence. A bit stronger than normal “policy ” and, in case you missed it, those who infiltrated the Party murdered Dr. Tiller who acted in accordance with the law. If the need for such policy isn’t the norm for the neo-Republicans, please, I’m all ears.
Stephen,
I ignored the abortion issue, because it’s not really mentioned in any holy text that I know of.
Now, I missed the Defense of Marriage Act, which would certainly fit the bill. I’m just not sure if that was part of a party platform or not.
The problem is this:
We can prove that the Republican party has lots and lots of individuals that happen to believe the Bible should be the Basis for law. Proving that the party itself “believes” that is another issue.
Bdaman,
I think you are comical. Funny? Sometimes. Interesting, until you become a bore or in your case Boar.
Jacking threads, is what you do best. I have counted at least 5 names that you post under 7 different ones I am almost assured of.
You see before this existence I was an investigator for the AG’s office and learned to read writing styles. Some are good, some are more cleaver than others. But you, have difficulty diffusing you logical reasoning from your ego.
Inept at best, disgraceful to say the least. Flame throwing to ignite and jack a thread. A troll trolls for recognition and then is fed inflamed in its imagination of what is real and what is not. A verbal psychopath is what you come across as.
Maybe the next incarnation you will become something useful as opposed to just having to deal with you.
If there are any typos please let me know as soon as possible.
Did you have red or white wine last evening? Merlot was my favorite. As you should be aware not all Merlot’s are the same, nor equal. Napa Valley has some really great buys around 25$. But if you prefer the French or Australian. You must stay within the the region as Pomero is the place to get the best. The price is about is about 30$ USD. The Australia Black Swan Merlot Black Swan is right about 18$ USD for a good bottle.
Sure you can get cheaper and as you are aware after the first glass, you can’t distinguish the difference.
Duh,
Yes.
Why not combine the ATF and the DEA? Why not combining the FBI and the Bumpkintown Sheriffs Office?
Politics and different levels of government I guess.
Yes of course. My point was just that this is a government police force enforcing (religiously inspired) state laws enacted by a legislator, not a private mob enforcing religious text.
Not that fundamentally different than religiously pushed alcohol (e.g. “dry counties”), gambling, and prostitution laws in western countries. The intensity, intrusiveness, and zealousness of enforcement are all amped up to “11″, and not comparable.
But the principle is not as alien as your original posting indicated.
I have counted at least 5 names that you post under 7 different ones I am almost assured of.
Well then lets just see how good you were at your old job.
Let us assume, as you have, that your are correct for arguments sake. Please name the five, plus the two you are unsure of.
It may be the reason why you don’t have your old job anymore.
Oh and please don’t count this one Jacker of Threads in your tally for I admit that this is me.
Gyges, we’re talking about 23% of total voting public (election 2000) and many members of Congress. A change in policy and governing is precisely what the religionists want. This addresses the problem:
http://www.theocracywatch.org/
When the American Enterprise Institute joins in support of fundamentalist extremism, master and slave are on the same page.
Berliner,
Thanks for the info. I thought these Sharia Police Officers were just thugs sent out by religious leaders, and that nobody had the courage to stop them. (I guess that may still be the case, but it is backed by some government authority.)
I appreciate our “western culture” more each day.
AY and the answer to this question you posed earlier is yes I am a native American.
Smears claiming Bdaman doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t actually about that piece of paper — they’re about manipulating people into thinking Bdaman is not an American citizen.
The truth is, Bdaman was born in the state of _____________, a NATIVE citizen of the United States of America.
Next time someone talks about Bdaman birth certificate, make sure they see this page.
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
Those exists too (calling themselves “Anti-Vice-Teams” in Aceh), mostly informers for the Wilayatul Hisbah, not thugs though.
Yes, but Gyges has already mentioned DOMA, which is, I think, the same principle (i.e. religiously motivated laws) just tamed. So it would be foolish to feel all too smugly superior…
Berliner,
Actually, maverratick brought it up first. I had just missed his post my first time through the thread.
Stephen,
I’m not saying they don’t exist, heck I’m not even saying they’re not by and large Republicans. I’m just saying that it’s much harder to prove that the Republican party supports positions that blatantly put religious laws over the Constitution.
Morality Police On Jonathan Turley Blog
Stephen Pitt
1, January 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Off topic note to the moderator: Track the troll’s isp and location on your statical counter. Checking the troll, regardless of handle being used. I use two counters because some visitors especially from the Pentagon and Treasury only show on one counter. The quality of this blog will be negatively impacted if the morphing troll continues to use up bandwidth.
I welcomed this along time ago to put an end to the conspiracy that I am many vs many are me.
Well Bdaman, Amon Re, Duh, Jack, Steve,
How many more are there of you, which have only just posted this very day.
Berliner,
I disagree about DOMA. I think it’s more about tradition than religion. I have no problem with defining marriage to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with civil unions either.
I’d also have a problem with the federal government refering to bars that are open during the day “daycare centers”. I suggest leaving the well recognized and understood term in place, and adopt another.
Name please.
AY, come on, do you expect me to take you serious. I demonstrated to you last night I’m not Duh. Amon, RE, Jack, Steve, any of the commenters here know nobody is posting under those names. Are you in continuation of last nights libations?
Please contact the moderator as Steven Pitt has done. I’m all for it. You know that, I’m the one who suggested that that be done on the New York erases bike lane and requested professor Turley post his findings in that thread. No wonder you don’t have that job anymore. Ay, I may laugh and tell jokes but one thing I don’t do is play tricks. Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.
Well ok, kid. How do you like your tricks? Syrup or Ketchup?
Ay all joking aside. As I pointed out and you confirmed, you were under the influence last night. I can tell you are and I’m willing to stretch here inebriated today. Yes?
Are you O.K. I’m serious, this is not like you at all.
I promise I won’t be the first to post on any new post. I just got up early the last couple of days. I know you like to be the first one in and the last one out. I won’t post in a new thread until you have your say. OK Buddy, is that the problem?
AY I have posted before, admittidly not with your volume,which I always enjoy.I dont pretend to be a scholar like Mephisto, or brillant as BIL and I couldnt write a word of poetry or even remotely try to keep up with some of the great thinkers of this group….I dont expect to agree with everyone all the time heck I seldom agree with Bryon but I enjoy his remarks non the less.
Im just a gay midwestern funeral director who happens to have a very liberal tilt,,I have admired the Prof since the first time I heard him on KO. If I offended you by what I wrote I apologize to you, but I will not to those who waste my time with drivel.
Oh I see you think I’m Amon Re who just posted.
Amon Re, AY has this conspiracy thing going on, he thinks I’m you. He’s confused. Maybe you can clarify it for him.
Mavverrick:
Sharia is a political hegemony promoted by Islam. There is not such political hegemony taught in the New Testament, nor in Christianities mainstream religious creeds.
Jesus wasn’t a military leader who captured cities and enforced religious laws at the point of the sword: Mohammad was.
Christians are working through the same system the Founders created for them. They are not overthrowing systems as Muslim are, but maintaining the a cultural traditions AS the founders practiced themselves.
For a government (any government) to intentionally destroy (whole or in part) a culture is by definition, according to international law, genocide. To intentionally destroy the ancient tradition of marriage seeing that it is the tradition of our culture and the very foundation of all civilization is a hostile act.
It is ludicrous to assume that dabbling in homosexual marriage is without risk. And the only nations in decline (western nations on the verge of collapse, like the Netherlands, Canada, the USA, Britain, etc) are throwing the doors open to this ridiculous proposal.
As I recall, all the founders were married to people of the opposite sex and all our laws applying to marriage were hitherto were based on that framework.
Christians are not promoting anything different than had already existed. They are upholding what already was a custom reflecting the best heritage from western civilization.
I support a state by state approach, not a Constitutional amendment.
Who was rounding up homosexuals and arresting them in China during the communist “cultural revolution”?
Christians? Religious people?
What you don’t really like is that religious people have the right to lobby for laws that you don’t like. The GOP doesn’t have one official policy the advocates subverting the Constitution for the Bible.
You haven’t proven anything. If Americans don’t want to change the ancient definition of marriage, they have that right. And by my reckoning, its very sensible.
I have no use for any one of the supposedly three great monotheistic traditions. To my way of thinking monotheism is humanity’s worst invention ever.
However, every time I read a news report about sharia law and crimes committed, usually against women, in the name of morality, Islam takes the lead in which of the three great monotheistic religions is the sickest.
Bdaman11,
Ay all joking aside. As I pointed out and you confirmed, you were under the influence last night. I can tell you are and I’m willing to stretch here inebriated today. Yes?
Are you O.K. I’m serious, this is not like you at all.
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I sure hope you can tell that I am inebriated today? Pray tell oh wise Bdaman11. How can you tell, the way that I spell, you said. Hmmmm. Guess you need to repeat Troll School 101. This is not an appropriate tactic. On most Blogs this could get you banned. I hope that you do stay, you are fodders play. The Fool of the Day so to say.
Ah to discredit, then to play mind games is a Troll Roll. You do this Troll Roll well, Bdaman11.
A regular Vernacular misogynist in action. One cannot compete with a failure like you with feet.
Ok AY go back to bed so you can get up early and be the first to post. See you in the mornin buddy. Drink a coke the first thing when you get up to get your blood sugar goin.
Bdaman11,
At least I drink coke rather than snort the same. Do you still have the cartilage in your nose? Was the operation as painful as they say?
Bdaman11,
Sleep well, brown bag and bridge out on the ridge is making you edgy these days? Get to a safe shelter. They do provide safe places for you in your mania state? I understand thats a side affect of too much in your nose. At least you have quit bleeding since the operation. Yes?
Just an interesting link on the use of scripture:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/140082/rumsfeld%27s_pentagon_published_bible_verses_on_top-secret_intel_reports/
Then,ETSpoon, you might like this:
http://www.light-to-dark.com/auntie_christi_juggles.html
No one obeys fascists more than a fundi.
“Morality police” are nothing but scammers. They will find something to say to you in order to defraud you of money for breaking some law. They exist in every country and thankfully are not authorised by most of them but in the corrupt ones, they are part of the regime and are used to scam people of their cash. The governments of countries like Nigeria (the home of scammers), Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Pakistan and others are either too corrupt or too weak to end this scam. When in any of these countries, make sure to avoid these “police” if you see them and if you can as they will fire “something” at you. Remember, they are NOT guardians of religion or morality – they are scammers who want your money !!