Islamists Push Through New Constitution In Egypt That Would Open the Door For Sharia Law and Clerical Oversight of Legislation

220px-Mohamed_Morsi_croppedAs protests continue over the power grab of President Mohammed Morsi, Islamists pushed through a draft constitution without the involvement of Christian or liberal members to give Muslim clerics oversight over legislation and add restrictions to free speech, women’s rights, and other civil liberties.


The Constitution will be put to a nationwide referendum within 30 days. The assembly went on a marathon session to approve the new Constitution before Egypt’s Supreme Constitutional Court rules on Sunday on whether to dissolve the panel drafting the Constitution. There was such a rush to beat the court’s ruling that, when objections were made to one of the articles, assembly head Hossam al-Ghiryani just refused to accept the vote, warned of the delay, and ordered another vote with a different outcome — an approach reminiscent of the voting standards used in the recent Democratic National Convention on the party platform.

The draft dropped a provision specifically establishing women’s equality and states that the “principles of Islamic law” will be the basis of law. It details the particular theological doctrines and their rules. It also states that Egypt’s most respected Islamic institution, Al-Azhar, must be consulted on any legislative matters related to Sharia.

With Morsi grabbing virtual dictatorial power and the assembly imposing Islamic law on the nation, Egypt appears to be plunging into extremist policies — while the United States still financially supports the government with massive aid packages.

Source: Telegraph

24 thoughts on “Islamists Push Through New Constitution In Egypt That Would Open the Door For Sharia Law and Clerical Oversight of Legislation

  1. What could possibly go wrong? Aside from everything.

    Time to end U.S. aid to Egypt if they turn the corner into full blown theocracy. No and, ifs or buts about it. Washington and Cairo must both be told this loud and clear.

  2. There’s nothing new under the sun(ni). Pun definitely intended.

    In the 1950s, the democratic opposition wanted the end of Batista’s fascist regime. So what did the US do? It sent Batista weapons and equipment to help him quash the democratic movement, to arrest or kill his opponents. The result? Communism became the only opposition strong enough to stop Batista and it took over the country. And then the US gripes about it, and still does to this day, as if the US didn’t deserve any blame for it.

    In the 1950s, the US helped overthrow the Iranian democracy in favour of the Shah who was a stooge willing to give away Iran’s oil at below-market prices in exchange for US support in maintaining his regime. He went on a 25 spree of oppression and murder. Like Cuba, the only opposition with the strength to overthrow the regime were extremists, in this case islamic fundamentalists installing their own fascist regime. And once again, the US is surprised that it happened.

    Those are just two examples. There are plenty of others (e.g. Nicaragua, Argentina, Chile, Greece, etc.).

    And now it’s Egypt’s turn. Instead of supporting a democratic movement or demanding democratic elections, the US spent decades backing the brutal dictator Hosni Barbaric. Now after his overthrow, the only ones with the force to fill the power vacuum are islamic fascists. The US could have prevented this by opposing Mubarak years ago, but instead assumed its “pro-Israel at any cost” policies didn’t have to change.

    Short term and short sighted selfish foreign policy will always have negative long term consequences. And yet the US never learns from it’s mistakes, it keeps repeating them. Einstein was right when he defined insanity as doing the same thing again and again yet expecting different results.

  3. Its their country. If they decide they want to be run by the rules of FIFA or the Hair Club For Men thats their choice. We can decry and deride but unless you want to get into the business of overthrowing elected governments (and to be clear I am not suggesting the US has not been very active in this area in the past I would only beg you to show me a place were it worked out well for us or the locals) than we have to learn to deal with countries who’s government we don’t like very much.

  4. Dealing with them is fine, Frankly. Economically supporting an oppressive theocracy with our tax dollars is another issue.

  5. I never mentioned money. We deal with a lot of nations outside of ‘straight cash homie’ diplomacy.

    When & if to give them aid would depend a lot on whats in it for us and how the aid would be used. PSmith gives some dandy examples of badly used aid & there are some cases where aid was used to entice nations to do things we wanted or needed.

    What I would not want us to do is to make overthrowing this government based on their stupid new constitution the goal. That has never ended well for us

  6. They did what they were supposed to do in Gaza, and we never cared how oppressive the government in Egypt was in the past. On the other hand, I had hoped the revolution would have a better result. The protestors are still protesting and Morisy was jeered at his own mosque an hour ago so maybe there is some chance of a better outcome.

  7. No argument there, Frankly. Gunboat diplomacy may work for Cap’n Kirk, but in real life it’s a lot more problematic. I just don’t think it’s wise to continue to give them the carrot since they are obviously not responding to the carrot. That doesn’t mean we need to get out the stick though. Just take away the carrot. If they come sniffing around again, make sure they know the carrot conditional. I don’t think we’re on different pages here. Maybe different parts of the same page, but the same page nonetheless.

  8. Oh, I am so glad we supported the Arab spring aren’t you. Lets send them another 6 mill or was it billion. This is another example of democracy not meaning freedom for all. Those poor women who fraught for freedom; they are all in jail now and the don’t even have to go to prison.

    I have a Suggestion for the US stay out of it. In the Middle East because it is usually new Bo’s same as the old boss or, as in this case, WORSE AND HOLY!

    We can use those billions here.

  9. The best that pirate countries can arrive at is a dictator with secular programs and practices so that Islamists dont rule. Islam is the worst force on Earth and far exceeds Communism back in its heyday. They elected this tenthead and he is going to put the dictatorship of Islam into play. We will look back on Mubarak with favor. Now, stop any Aid from the U.S. today. Same with the rest of the pirate and tenthead countries.

  10. I thought that demanding Mubarak step down immediately was rather stupid on our part. My hope was that he would stay in power long enogh to allow the modern democratic elements to organize to oppose the Muslim Brotherhood. I DO think it is time to cut off aid to Egypt if this goes through.

    As for the similarity with the DNC, that is way off target since there was NO opposition group demanding that God NOT be mentioned, nor any group demanding that Jerusalem NOT be captial of Israel. Get real.

  11. I think the only reason we are paying is the same as before. We need somebody to hold the reins to prevent a pan-Arabic war against Israel.
    Mubarak was not too far from sharism, I think the young educated would agree.

    Maybe we can buy the sharia dictator which comes out of the new constitution for the sake of delaying a two-state settlement.

    Just let them stew in their own religiousity a few hundred years, whilc the Nile and the oil dries up.

  12. Nick, I might be wrong but I don’t recall anyone from the admin calling the Muslim Brotherhood ‘moderates’.
    Bruce, can you explain what ‘leadership’ in the US would have looked like that would have changed the outcome of a free election in Egypt? Perhaps Hillary could have sent Romney’s campaign staff to work for the MB but there is no assurance they would have been stupid enough to accept the ‘help’

  13. First of all thank you P. Smith for reminding us of the history of U.S. intervention in other country’s internal affairs and how badly it works out. I also applaud Frankly’s follow-up to those remarks. The support for the “Arab Sping” by this administration was a decent approach to a situation we had no business trying to control. The problem with revolutions is that many times their result is equal to or worse than the regime that was overthrown. Which only gives support to this entirely prescient comment from The Who:

  14. AND WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE YOU HAVE IN THE GOOD OLDED U S OF A?

    Definitely not a Democracy: IT IS AN OLIGARCHY RULED BY CORRUPT JUDGES AND JUSTICES!

    Elizabeth J. Campbell,
    2715 West Harrison,
    Chicago, Illinois,
    11/30/2012

    “…The Attorney General serves as the state’s chief legal officer responsible for providing legal representation to the State of Illinois and protecting the public interest.” (My emphasis).
    Excerpt above taken from: http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/about/email_consumers.jsp

    Dear attorney General Madigan:
    My name is Elizabeth J. Campbell. I am seeking an investigation of 5 doctors and 2 RNs at the Strogers hospital. These people (whom I have named) in the original complaint to the hospital saith the nurses, and another physician of 11/28/2012.
    It is clear that the conspiracy and solicitation to harm me is still ongoing, and a priority. I note this because of an incident which occurred on 11/28/2012, at the Stroger’s hospital Ambulatory Care department. I have mentioned this in my initial email to you on 11/29/2012.
    It is my intention to email and mail you this letter of 11/30/2012, and send along copies of documents on 12/2/2-12. Before I attend to the matter at hand, I will state a few facts also related to the issue.
    There is no doubt that I am a victim of tremendous human rights abuses: I have had my son removed from my care not because of anything illegal or immoral, or even hurting or neglecting my son, but because the attorney Jeanne M. Kincaid (of New Hampshire) could, and she only could because many Judges and the entire Supreme Court have been providing the cover for the Constitutional Violations and the Human Rights Abuses. Clearly your next question would be well what is or (are) the charge or charges? I am guilty of not withdrawing my First Amendment Right to Legal redress. It’s that simple!
    Why am I coming to you for justice when I have not realized this for the past 9 years; well, that answer is two-fold, I shall only answer one-part of this question however: These are new crimes, and they took place in the State of Illinois, and their time has not expired, and I am in the throes of persecution and oppression, and I am seeking relief.
    I will not belabor you with much background information, sufficient to say that I believe that you are entitled to a general background.
    Background
    In 2004, the United States Congress mandated certain statues in reference to disabled children. My son (now 16 years old, and no longer speech impaired) was a child under the Special education Umbrella.
    It is noted from the Congressional law, (IDEA) Individual Disability Education Act that if a School District did not give a child a (FAPE) Fair and Appropriate Public Education and this was adjudicated to be so, then that School District would automatically lose federal funding.
    Having said that, it is important for you to know, that I never intended for my son to be a child involved in the public school system. I had long ago made up my mind when I was child-less based upon what I read about the schools in the papers, and general discussions with those around me. My son was born with speech issues, and the private school he attended had no ability to assist him; therefore and sadly, I was forced to place him in the one place I never wanted to enter!
    At THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS SUIT, ALL I WANTED WAS AN EVALUATION OF MY SON, AND PAYMENT FOR MY FORMER ATTORNEY Raymond Foss. It was clear from the record that the school District for 3 years did not give my son a FAPE.
    My former attorney had a difficult time obtaining the records, (Kincaid would not allow them to be sent) and so he was forced to give the district an ultimatum: The hand-delivered the documents…so much to hide!
    Attorney Foss was removed from the case so that it would die, but according to (1) the First Amendment right to Legal redress; (2) my rights as a parent under the IDEA; (3) The Winkleman Decision; (4) Goss V. Lopez, and (5) All the other applicable Constitutional rights, and due process, I took up my case in my defense. Certainly all of my appeals which I have on USBs named the Constitutional abuses!
    We are told that the United States is a very lawful country, and we are told this again and again, yet, we know that this is not true, and that unspeakable corruption and evil is a matter of routine at the very Supreme Court.
    I appealed my case to the First circuit (Appellate Court) when I discovered that the NH District court had ruled against me in a void case, a case in which the District Court had lost Subject Matter Jurisdiction. The language could not have been any clearer in the very Report and Recommendation from the Magistrate Judge James Muirhead, and he in-fact spoke out of both sides of his mouth when he ruled to allow the case to go forward because as he said according to the facts!
    I would lose the following:
    1. Son
    2. Home, pets, piano, books, furniture, clothing, son’s toys
    3. Credit, car, stability
    4. My son lost his friends, karate, swimming, piano lessons and sense of security
    5. He gained pornography online sent by Jeanne M. Kincaid, and death threats
    6. So did I #5 above; Kincaid stopped me from working, which caused us to live in shelters and rooms
    7. Kincaid eventually denied me the right to Medicaid (despite my medical diagnoses of Asthma, diabetes, and Sarcoidosis of the lungs, liver and joints, and Anemia
    8. Kincaid denied my right to assistance from the ambassador of a tiny and mostly Black island of Barbados…employing pressure, and using them just like she used the public and private sector (including many churches…for she has no respect for Black people or their churches) into denying assistance for me
    9. Kincaid hacked into my computer and my home and cell-phones since 2003, I did not file my complaint until 2007, although I told the former school principal Carol Soucy that one-day we would end up in court if she did not implement my son’s IEP (Individual Education Plan) as the law states.
    10. Kincaid ultimately drove me to seek asylum in Holland: While here I was told by Dutch officials that they do not accept asylum seekers from the USA because according to them “America is a safe country.” However, they saw my evidence and said that because it was so over-whelming that I qualified for humanitarian assistance, and that I should start the paper-work and bring my son. When I tried to, Kincaid had all communications cut off with my son and self. I was forced to return to the United States, where I am currently being kept against my will; it appears that someone or persons are afraid for the world to discover first hand from me: THE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES!
    11. I WAS IMPRISONED, THIS IS NOT NOTED ANYWHERE PUBLICLY
    12. All Courts continue to ignore me, and give Kincaid the right to continue the human rights violations
    13. Kincaid conspired and solicited 5 doctors and 2 nurses to murder me, and she is continuing un-deterred.
    14. I wrote to the United States Justice (DOJ) Criminal Department: I told them that Kincaid is under cover by Justice Stephen Breyer, (a federal Justice)… they acted cowardly; they could not even write to me themselves, and the department that they had respond to me, could not even put their names to the letter as well, they sent me no hard copies, but an email telling me that Kincaid was a State employee and that they have no jurisdiction, nothing was mentioned of the Justice…Stephen Breyer, FEDERAL EMPLOYEE WHO IS PROVIDING THE COVER FOR DESTRUCTION AND DEATH OUTSIDE THE CONSTITUTION! This was the cop-out lie of omission! They terminated the email to me without a name or signature. I shall include.
    15. Clearly even the terrorist have more rights than me a legal resident to these shores of 37 years, and a person who committed NO CRIMES! THIS IS WHY I AM BEING HELD IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AGAINST MY WILL, AND I WANT TO LEAVE!
    16. I do not know what you will say as a response to my seeking an investigation of the attempt upon my life, but Dr. Myacck of the stronger hospital Chicago, was poised to inject me with a substance to stop my heart and render me dead! I have no history of cardiac problems. He was complying with the desire of Jeanne M. Kincaid who desperately NEEDS A PRISON SENTENCE!
    17. Kincaid continues to keep me outside the protections of the law today because after having removed my son from my custody (that’s after she sent him porn since age 10, and kept him out of school for 2 years, and meted out to him severe Human rights abuses); she is now seeking to give the father half of MY MONEY…DAMAGES ALLOTTED TO ME, BY PRETENDING IT IS FOR JOSH, MEANWHILE, THE FATHER SUSTAINED SEVERE INJURIES AS HE WAS DENIED THE RIGHT TO INTERACT AND BE A PART OF THE CHILD’S LIFE FOR A 7 YEAR PERIOD! KINCAID WANTED ME ISOLATED WITH MY SON! NOW THE WHORE WHO TRIED TO USE A COURT IN NEW YORK TO SAY THAT I AM IN-COMETENT, AND THE COURT ENDED UP RULING (GOD’S WAY0 THAT I AM COMPETENT…HAVE IT IN BLACK AND WHITE)…SO KINCAID IS SEEKING DOCTORS 9WHAT HAPPENED AT STROGERS ON 11/28)12….WHILE I WAS SPEAKING TO THIS DOCTOR ABOUT THE ATTEMPT UPON MY LIFE, HE WAS BUSY WRITING DOWN LIES ABOUT ME, AND BECAME ALARMED WHEN I ASKED HIM TO SEE WHAT HE WAS WRITING, I THEN TOLD HIM THAT I WAS RECRODING EVERYTHING…NEVER MIND THAT I DID MOST OF THE TALKING, BUT THIS GUILTY LIAR WHO WAS BEING COACHED BY KINCAID AS HE COULD NOT TAKE HIS ATTENTION OFF THE TEXT MESSAGES FROM HER BECAME ALARMED, JUMPED UP, ENDED THE SESSION WITHOUT TELLING ME THAT HE WAS REPLACING MY EXPIRED MEDICATIONS, AND WENT AND CALLED THE STROGER POLICE DEPARTMENT; OESTENSIBLY TO CONFISCATE MY PROPERTY! SEE HE KNOWS THAT WHAT HE SAID WOULD NEVER MATCH THE ACTUAL CONVERSATION!
    18. Kincaid did this previously at the Niagara Falls hospital, in New York: see, there is no-one stopping her, only encouraging her, so that IS WHY A WOMAN WHO MERELY WENT AFTER HER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT FOR LEGAL REDRESS A WOMAN WHO TOOK UP HER CASE AS THE SUPREME COURT SAID I COULD IN THE Winkleman Decision…THAT’S WHY I AM NOW ABOUT TO BE MURDERED IN HUMAN RIGHTS, FREEDOM-LOVING U S OF A!

    Kincaid WILL EDIT THIS: SHE DOES EVERYONE OF MY DOCUMENTS ONLINE!

  15. lizbeth: Well thanks for that multipage OT spam.

    The international libertarian view on these things is, if we had nothing substantive to do with their revolution, as we did not in Egypt, then let them stew in their own ‘elected’ cesspool.

    If we had a major hand in the success of their revolution, the I believe we should have a major hand in making sure that the people we theoretically liberated have fundamental western style civil rights.

  16. Gary T,

    You are not really in touch re Egypt and/or the USA foreign policy.

    Comment on this:’

    —We have never had the benefits of any nation’s population as our aim, ever….!!!

    —We had nothing to do with the Spring Revolution in terms of helping it develop properly. In fact, we held on for dear life hoping for a “managed” transfer of power favoring our overall ME policy.

    —You can lead a dog to skit, but only he will decide to eat it.
    Our democracy, corrupt as it is when we try to plant it, is abhorrent to most free peoples.
    I call them free because they are free of our choices, oppression, soldiers, drones, A-bomb threats, etc.

    —If we are so deadset against the evils of Islam and the Sharia law which often follows, written or oral, then let us wage war against them all, and stop our hypocrisy. Waving the flag of democracy primarily for our own populace consumption, while sabotaging their efforts to achieve their will, is kinda hypocritical.

    —It is only oil, the “sewage” canal and Israel that interests us in Egypt.

    —Ít is NOT libertarian to say “let them stew”, because that is what our nation often does, and we are not lbertarian except for the works of corporations.

    The list of conflicts that we have left alone or bailed out of are very long. If you need help, try starting with the current one in Syria. Or the total failure we left after us in Iraq. Or the Marine landing and Black Hawks fleeing Somalia, Lebanon in ’88 and the Marine barracks, and the abortion called the Gulf War, which was reneging on the OK we had given Saddam.

    Study your history.

  17. Nick S

    No. We were never assured these people were moderates. The only comment on moderation was that the Muslim Brotherhood had rejected violence as a weapon and instead concentrated on political aims. We supported the small “d” democratic elections. The choices for President for the Egyptian people were Morsi and a former high level Mubarak Cabinet member. The Egyptians chose Morsi. Not much of a surprise.

  18. This is just the conception of Democracy, Egyptian style. The marriage has been consummated with this democratic orgy.This is just the beginning. All peoples want to be free and freedom is never handed on a platter as we ourselves are aware of it.

    The fault lies in us and in the rest of the so called western world. We created these monsters all around the world against communism.

    Communism fell, no thanks to Ronald Reagan as many Americans pat him in back,hence flaunting their ignorance without delving into the facts.But thanks to Lech Walesa and Pope John Paul ll. Reagan, the mentally deteriorating President who had the symptoms of Alzheimer when he was the Governor of CA took the credit. Let’s give where the credit is due and the above mentioned 2 brave men sowed the seeds of freedom.

    Even after the fall of communism, we kept on feeding these dictatorial monsters all around the world. Shame on us!!

    Eventually, Latin America got its shackles off the totalitarianism by itself and the same is happening in other countries, including the Middle East and Africa.

    Not all democracies are the same, unlike communism and/or dictatorship where only the few on the top have all the power.

    The gestation periods of these democratic conceptions may take decades but rather than criticizing Egypt or any other country who had been suppressed by the few for so long with our support, it is time to applaud for this democratic pregnancy, how painful and difficult the eventual birth may be.

    The democratic orgy has just started…..Hip, hip hurray!

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