Rebecca Nelson thought that she was helping the environment when she captured rainwater in a barrel and use it on her garden. Car dealer Mark Miller thought he was “greening” his facility with a cistern to use to wash vehicles. They were both violating the law in Utah where it is against the law to capture rain water. With California creating a “water bank,” one can imagine an expanded array of hydrocrimes, including bank robbery with intent to garden.
Boyd Clayton, the deputy state engineer, explained that citizens who capture water are depriving people with water rights: “Obviously if you use the water upstream, it won’t be there for the person to use it downstream.”
“Utah’s the second driest state in the nation. Our water laws ought to catch up with that,” Miller says.
It is hard to imagine who Col. Jack Ripper of Dr. Strangelove will be able to make his only beverage of rye and rainwater. It is not clear how pool owners fare but the law seems turn on a matter of intent. You can have a pool but not a cistern or barrel. Birdbaths are an obviously gray area.
Next time Clayton and the water police appear, Utahans can always sing out in protest:
Raindrops keep fallin’ on my head
And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin’ seems to fit
Those raindrops are fallin’ on my head, they keep fallin’So I just did me some talkin’ to the sun
And I said I didn’t like the way he got things done
Sleepin’ on the job
Those raindrops are fallin’ on my head, they keep fallin’But there’s one thing I know
The blues they send to meet me won’t defeat me
It won’t be long till happiness steps up to greet meRaindrops keep fallin’ on my head
But that doesn’t mean my eyes will soon be turnin’ red
Cryin’s not for me
‘Cause I’m never gonna stop the rain by complainin’
Because I’m free
Nothin’s worryin’ me
For the full story, click here.
Luckily, Thingum I don’t need permission from you to comment on areas about which I have some knowledge. Sorry if that offends you.
BTW, I get paid a lot of money these days for slinging ‘crap’.
This is not a new area of regulation for the West.
http://www.martenlaw.com/news/?20080723-rainwater-harvesting
“In the United States, water resources are primarily governed by state, rather than federal, government. State and local governments have taken opposing approaches to rainwater. As noted above, for example, Colorado assumes that rainwater contributes to streamflows and, therefore, prohibits rainwater capture systems.[8] Similarly, local and state building codes, zoning laws, and other regulations in Colorado and other states may limit rainwater harvesting’s availability.”
Like I said you don’t read. That was not my quote. It was someone elses. Note the quotations marks. And the phrase is ‘for all intents and purposes’ – not for all intensive purposes…
Bob, Esq. 1, September 9, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Gyges,
“I think your point may be moot. Wouldn’t you admit that for all intensive purposes once the water hits whatever gathering device is used, it’s on the ground? It would therefore be subject to the well established doctrines you’ve mentioned,”
I don’t use a spell checker. I do edit myself, when I have time.
If God didn’t want them to have that water, he wouldn’t have made it rain on their property!
Seriously, I was born and raised there and the backward attitudes and lack of freedom is stifling. It’s pretty much a police state.
Cro Magnum Man,
I admire your tenacity.
Patty C:
“BTW, Bob Esq is NO expert on property – that’s for damn sure!”
Unlike you, I never held myself out as an expert; completely dismissing the need to bolster claims with reasons & arguments via those shameless ipse-dixitisms of yours.
Even more comical is your sweeping generalization as to my knowledge of the topic; all the while betraying your ignorance via refusing to so much as address a single principle of real property or constitutional law I cited in support. Who needs all that work leading up to and resulting from a law degree so long one can declare herself a juristic whiz by virtue of marital and family relations. Thus the reason your Googling up and tossing around those non-sequitor replies of yours reminds me of apes in trees flinging their crap at passers-by in a zoo.
You have a nice day.
No, what we see once again is you summarily declaring victory after encountering a position that surmounts yours.
What we see once again is you failing to respond with a coherent argument when your position is refuted and instead making general accusations about my not reading.
I did read patty, and what I saw was you, contorting yourself to try and disguise the fact you use a spell checker prior to commenting and desperatly trying to ignore the fact that your assertation that water that is captured is “on the ground” thus implying others rights to it, was just proven wrong.
You said;
Patty C
1, September 9, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Wouldn’t you admit that for all intensive purposes once the water hits whatever gathering device is used, it’s on the ground?
But the fact is if I use my mouth as a device to capture water, its not on the ground.
If I use my hands as a device to capture water its not on the ground. If I let the water roll from my mouth to my stomach, using my stomach now as a device to hold the water, its not on the ground.
No one has a right to the water in my hands, mouth, or stomach, all things I can use as devices to capture and contain water.
However, I will concede that once I dispense the water from my body in the form of urine, then it is sometimes on the ground.
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You’re certainly welcome to it then.
Drink up – closing time…
Once again, you’ve proven you don’t read before commenting.
BTW, Bob Esq is NO expert on property – that’s for damn sure!
Patty C
1, September 9, 2008 at 11:31 pm
“I think your point may be moot. Wouldn’t you admit that for all intensive purposes once the water hits whatever gathering device is used, it’s on the ground?
No.
If it hits the top of my head its not on the ground. If I open my mouth and catch some it’s not on the ground. If its in my stomach, it’s not on the ground. People have no right to water in my mouth or in the palm of my hands.
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But I will admit that for all intensive purposes once the water hits the top of your head, it’s on the ground.
“I think your point may be moot. Wouldn’t you admit that for all intensive purposes once the water hits whatever gathering device is used, it’s on the ground? It would therefore be subject to the well established doctrines you’ve mentioned,” …’
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http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/intensive.html – 2k
Another example of the oral transformation of language by people who don’t read much. “For all intents and purposes” is an old cliché which won’t thrill anyone, but using the mistaken alternative is likely to ‘elicit’ guffaws.
I can assure you, and anyone else who is interested, I do not
– have a fat ass…
You proved nothing here, tonight, or any other night
– with the possible exception that you are the proverbial
‘missing link’, ape.
Busted.
Patty C
1, September 9, 2008 at 6:23 pm
You are the one who pitches fits when he loses an argument and switches to personal attack mode with either the big fat mouth/big fat ‘arse’ insults.
I can assure you, and anyone else who is interested, I do not!
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Patty C
1, September 9, 2008 at 10:11 pm
For your information, ape
You use a spell checker, and that has been proven here this evening.
Busted.
So let me get this straight.
Your abrupt and premature
line breaks like this one, are not due to what they are due to on everyone elses computer, and that is transfering text from your word processor to this blog form.
For you its your “writing style”.
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So its your “writing style” that causes
you to break sentences in half like this.
How exactly does one develop such a writing style as to
just break
sentences like this?
Beyond some sort of mental or visual impairment?
😐
No patty, unless you’re telling us you have some sort of brain damage that causes
you to break sentences like this, then we can safely assume it is what it is on everyone elses computer.
Formatting issues caused when cut and pasting from your word processor to the blog.
Sure Patty, sure.
I’m sure you know a lot about computers.
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Just like you don’t use a spell checker.
Sure.
FYI – I know plenty about ‘pewters’.
I started with the green dinosaur CRT’s in the early 80’s.
Unfortunately for me, what I am forced to use, professionally,
has never been my personal choice.
For your information, ape, my Mac is compatible with Microsoft and Excel, but only if I choose it through MacLink – which I never have.
What is a well known issue that anyone here can quickly duplicate by using a word processor and this blog to see for themselves, is with you, not that issue, but your “writing style”.
Your writing style is
to break sentences like this, because of some form of staggered dyslexia?
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Sure Patty.
Sure.
Sure
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Sure.
I don’t know what you are referring to when you say ‘line breaks mid sentence’…
I don’t have ANY word processing programs on my personal computer
– period.
My writing style is what it is, however, I DO edit myself when I have time.
Only YOU would attempt to invoke a ‘mental condition’ as explanation
on such a basis.
Newsflash – whatever I cut and paste is pretty obvious – accentuated by repeated glaring use of quotations marks and/or links to websites.
I was hoping you’d lie about this one, like you’ve lied in here before. This particular one, is not one you can so easily wiggle out of. Its a common thread we see in your posts and a common well known issue with text transfers.
And no one, just
randomly breaks sentences
like this Patty. No
one.
Unless of course you suffer from some sort of mental condition.
Those aren’t “typos”. Who makes a typo by breaking the sentence before concluding it?
No, those are not typos Patty.
The ONLY time that occurs, is when cutting and pasting from a Word Processor, into a blog or other web enabled form.
Its a very common, very well documented issue.
Line breaks in mid sentence is caused by transfering text from a word processor, to a web enabled form.
Thats a fact.
Patty C
1, September 9, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Wrong.
I don’t have any MS software on my PC – never have.
I hate Microsoft! I am an avid Apple user
Why does that not surprise me?
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Unfortunately, like most MAC users, you don’t know much about “pewters” and such. Otherwise you’d know that MS Word was one of the FIRST Apple programs ever. In fact, APPLE relied on Bill Gates and programmers like him to develop their application software.
Thus, whether you use a MAC or PC, is moot.
Both Word Perfect, (Corel, NOT Microsoft) and MS Word, works with both Apple and IBM type PC’s.
So your attempt to deny based on your computer type, is thus moot.