Obama Goes to the White House, You Go to Hell: Catholic Priest Asks for Penance from Parishioners Who Voted for Obama

17975580_240x180This was not mentioned on those voting machines. It appears that if you voted for Obama as a Catholic, you need to go to confession and do penance for your electoral sin. Otherwise, Obama will go to the White House and you will go to hell — at least in Greenville, South Carolina. Just ask Rev. Jay Scott Newman.

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman of St. Mary’s Catholic Church told that his parishioners that they should not take Communion until they do penance for supporting “the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president.” However, he noted that the Vatican will not permit him to refuse the sacrament to suspected Obama voters.

Now this is an interesting twist on laws that prevent people from forcing others to disclose their votes to offer either rewards or penalties for voting for particular candidates. Damnation or salvation is not the typical bottle of booze or free meal, but it will do. There is also that little matter of tax exemption based on non-political activities.

Of course, it could have been worse Rev. Newman could have had John McCain’s image actually embossed on the communion wafers.

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24 thoughts on “Obama Goes to the White House, You Go to Hell: Catholic Priest Asks for Penance from Parishioners Who Voted for Obama”

  1. fyi-

    http://docnotes.catholic-doc.org/statement/Statement%20on%20Voting%20and%20Communion.pdf

    Statement of Monsignor Martin T. Laughlin
    Administrator of the Diocese of Charleston

    CHARLESTON, S.C. (November 14, 2008) – This past week, the Catholic Church’s clear, moral teaching on the evil of abortion has been pulled into the partisan political arena. The recent comments of Father Jay Scott Newman, pastor of St. Mary’s Catholic Church in
    Greenville, S.C., have diverted the focus from the Church’s clear position against abortion. As Administrator of the Diocese of Charleston, let me state with clarity that Father Newman’s
    statements do not adequately reflect the Catholic Church’s teachings. Any comments or statements to the contrary are repudiated.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions.” The Catechism goes on to state: “In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path; we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.”

    Christ gives us freedom to explore our own conscience and to make our own decisions while adhering to the law of God and the teachings of the faith. Therefore, if a person has formed his
    or her conscience well, he or she should not be denied Communion, nor be told to go to confession before receiving Communion.

    The pulpit is reserved for the Word of God. Sometimes God’s truth, as is the Church’s teaching on abortion, is unpopular. All Catholics must be aware of and follow the teachings of the
    Church.

    We should all come together to support the President-elect and all elected officials with a view to influencing policy in favor of the protection of the unborn child. Let us pray for them and ask
    God to guide them as they take the mantle of leadership on January 20, 2009.

    I ask also for your continued prayers for me and for the Diocese of Charleston.

  2. Michael and Jill

    Sorry to tell you – neither one of you knows what actually goes on with
    practitioners within the Roman Catholic Church.

    A lot of us take it sort of ‘cafeteria style’…

    …always have!

  3. Jill,
    I wish I had thought of that, but I didn’t, so thanks for expanding my vision and argument.

    Seamus,
    Much of what you say is true about the Church, but these inconsistencies and injustices are just symptoms of the problem with most organized religions. The organizations are led by human beings, mostly men, who are in it for the ego and the power. Most of them I would guess are sincere in their efforts. They convince themselves of the correctness of those policies that most meet their needs and find convenient rationalizations to deceive themselves into believing they fit into the fundamental precepts of their religions.

    They then convince their flocks to disregard the teachings of their prophets, anyone reading the Gospels who believes Jesus a Republican needs to work on their reading comprehension, then these self deluded charlatans pick hot button issues to organize around. Abortion has been far from a two thousand year old Christian issue and the Gospels do not reference homosexuals.
    Then there are of course the complete fakes like Pat Robertson and Falwell, in it for the money and power, who know they’re running a con game.

    This is true of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. While there are religious leaders who really are sincere and Godly, they can usually be defined by their embrace of tolerance and doing unto others, as you would have others do to yourself. All the other organized religious leaders, who do not display those demeanors, are self serving and self-deceiving phonies.

  4. Seems to me the Pope shouldn’t be allowed to take communion. Helped hide pedophiles, former Hitler young, lives like a God-damn king. How many orphans could be fed with the gold embroidered into those faggy mu-mu’s the princes of the church wear. How amazingly crooked is the Vadican bank. If half of what the bible says is true, the entire hierarchy of that fun-house known as the Catholic Church is going to rot in Hell. (Lucky for them it’s all a fairy tale)

  5. Catholic women have had their own minds for some time-since the mid-1950’s which was really when the ‘women’s movement’ began with the idea of ‘choice’.

    I know real-life pioneers who came along LONG before Gloria Steinem…
    Women who couunseled, set up housing for unwed mothers who waned their babie s and for those who wanted to give them up for adoption and those who were commited to safe, although illegal, abortions for those who wanted them and could afford them.

    One of those pioneers who I knew, personally, was a nurse, married to a physician who was a colleague of my father, and has a clinic named after her.

    She was a lovely woman and I miss her.

    http://www.mabelwadsworth.org/images/MabelWadsworthformalphoto.jpg

  6. Jill,
    You hit the nail on the head. I wonder if the priests that abused the altar boys are allowed to take communion? Prior to November 4th, when the church or supporters claim that they are not supporting an individual candidate so everything is A-OK, but the fact that only one candidate was the candidate supporting a women’s right to choose is obviously supporting the candidate who is pro-life. I also agree with you Jill that the Catholic Church(and some other religions) is all about control of women. When you look at the Opus Dei group, they believe that a woman should never hold a position of power over a man. To me that violates the tenets of Christ, but the Vatican thinks otherwise. I wonder why the church only allows men to be priests?

  7. Anyone who thinks that Catholic women and girls don’t get abortions or take birth controll pills is living in an alternate reality, including The Rev. Jay Scott Newman of St. Mary’s Catholic Church.

    Several years ago I volunteered at a woman’s clinic that offered counseling services by social workers and psychologist, lab and radiology procedures and physicals and gynecological services for women many of whom did not have insurance or could not afford to pay private the fees of physicians. Everyone had to fill out the appropriate medical forms, which at that time listed religion.

    This clinic was located in an area that was just between a city and several suburbs.

    Women who wanted abortions had their medical workups and were referred to clinic/physicials that performed this service.

    The women who used this clinic were of ALL RACES, RELIGIONS, religions (even CATHOLIC and the so-called religious evangelicals) and ETHINC roups. Even women who could pay and came to this clinic rather than go to their own physician or physicians in their own neighborhoods.

    Folks like Rev. Jay Scott Newman, James Dobson, Pat Robinson out to find better uses of their time, like trying to eliminate racism, homelessness, hunger or trying to end genocide in this world.

  8. mespo,

    What you and others have pointed out shows this “selective enforcement” does not come from a heart filled with doctrinal purity. They aren’t refusing people who support death penalty candidates, they certainly do not skip the pedophile priests or their enablers, including the pope. They don’t refuse to serve up “the thin mints”, I mean wafers, to those in the congregation who increase poverty, etc. This means there is another reason for singling out abortion for punishment. It’s the same reason the Taliban throws acid on little girls and women–the control of females (as Mike wrote about above).

  9. I wonder if the obviously very Reverend Newman would consider denying communion to defrocked priests found guilty of child sexual abuse on the grounds that they too support “intrinsic evil?” BTW what was the penance the Church did for the cover up of those crimes/sins? 25 Hail Mary’s I think.

  10. He (Rev. Jay Scott Newman of St Mary’s Catholic Church, Greenville, SC) noted that the Vatican will not permit him to refuse the sacrament to suspected Obama voters.”

    No then he would be in real trouble!

    In April 2008 a priest denied communion to Douglas Kmiec (faculty of Notre Dame Law School 1980-1999; Dean of the law school at The Catholic University of America 2001-2003; presently Professor of Constitutional Law at Pepperdine University) because Kmiec endorsed our now President-elect Barack Obama.
    Douglas Kmiec a strongly pro-life conservative was outspoken in his support for Obama; campaigning and publishing editorials, articles and a book on the rationale for his position.
    An excerpt from his book “Can A Catholic Support Him-Asking the Big Question About Barack Obama” which describes this incident can be found at:
    http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/09/the-day-i-was-denied-communion.html (sorry I don’t know how to link)
    This priest was never named in the media (and eventually did send an apology) but he gained some notoriety, Kmiec spoke about this with Nina Totenberg of NPR’s All Things Considered on June 2, 2008; and nominated(by yours truly) won worst person in the world on Countdown With Keith Olbermann on June 10, 2008.
    Both of these priests have most likely only increased Obama’s supporters depth of passion!

    PS: Professor Turley you were great on Rachel Maddow last evening; and Rev. Newman has been nominated for worst person in the world!

  11. With Lord Scalia’s affirmation to joining the dark side as one of Satan’s minons, circa December 9, 2000, perhaps this case will give us a chance to revisit ‘United States ex rel. Mayo v. Satan & His Staff,’ 54 F.R.D. 282 (i.e. whether service on His Lordship Scalia now constitutes adequate substituted service of process)

  12. Jonolan,

    Politics doesn’t stop just because we had a single election. Obama still needs support from the legislative branch of the Federal Gov’t (not to mention all the various states) to get anything done. All those other politicians are affected to one degree or another by the voter’s will. Those voters might be guilted into opposition to various programs because the priest says that the man putting them forth is an evil sinner.

  13. The anti-choice movement has never really been just about abortion. It is merely a gambit aimed at limiting womens sexual freedom and indeed their aspirations for full equality. While in some sense the Catholic Church is at least to be commended for also condemning capital punishment thereby representing a more logical position than the Evangelicals, their attitude is just as misogynous. If these groups had their way and won on abortion that victory would be closely followed by legislation limiting birth control and divorce. I am old enough to remember when the wife of New York’s Governor Rockefeller had to go to Reno to divorce him.

    I am far from anti-Catholic and am aware of many great things done by this church to advance humanity. However, there was also the Inquisition and the sellout of Jesus’s heritage to Constantine in exchange for power. most recently the scandalous attempt to condone and cover up pedophilia by Priests diminishes their moral message.

    Many men in this country are fascinated with, yet threatened by female sexuality. The emphasis on abstinence is overwhelmingly directed at females. As the proud father of two excellent young women, I am also proud to state that other than ensuring that they had the knowledge about sex necessary to make their own informed choices, I had no interest in how the dealt with their sexuality. It was none of my business. I view those father’s of girls who are so preoccupied by their daughter’s virginity, or lack of it, as being somewhat perversely motivated.

    The anti-abortion movement needs to be constantly exposed for what it really stands for, which to me is antithetical to human rights and good governance.

    Gyges,
    I could go for the burning longship for my demise, but I would prefer the Elmer Bernstein soundtrack from “The Vikings” for the background music. Unfortunately, being Jewish my family will only have one day to get it all together, so I guess I’d settle for “Ripple” or “He’s Gone” from the Grateful Dead, and an unadorned pine coffin.

  14. Jill,

    That’s why I’m having a 20 min. Aleatoric piece for Solo nose harp played at my burning-long-ship funeral in place of a Eulogy.

  15. That is consistent with Catholic doctrine. Both abortion and euthanasia are consider inherently evil act. Voting for Obama was an act of complicity with the abortionists. It would therefor be a sin under Catholic doctrine.

    Pope Benedict XVI, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, wrote in 2004:

    Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church’s teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.

    While aimed specifically at politicians, any person taking part in the selection of government would be in the same boat under the doctrine.

    BTW: Separation of Church & State is not a valid excuse for abridging people’s Freedom of Speech.

  16. There is enough evidence to pull the tax exemption of many, many, churches and I think it should be done.

    The Catholic church holds positions on more than abortion. Why is abortion the reason for punishing people on their vote? Why not the death penalty, whereby voters of both candidates can kiss it good-bye in the afterlife?

    I went to a Catholic funeral where the priest preached against abortion but no other issue. I do conclude that much of the opposition to abortion arises from the desire to control women, something that historically intensifies in bad economic/social times.

    As the church does not treat all of their teachings as equally deserving of punishment, then I would say this is a gross violation of congregant’s conscience. I do think there is a real problem with asking people to reveal how they voted, so they may be properly “dealt with”. This is a dangerous request that clearly seems like an attempt by an insitution to control its members and has no place in a democracy.

  17. Of course, it could have been worse Rev. Newman could have had John McCain’s image actually embossed on the communion wafers.
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    He did but someone stole them. Check e-bay in a few weeks.

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