During a very different decade, the Muslim community has at least not had to deal with religious extremists who deny evolution and seek to distort scientific courses. Indeed, Muslim countries have a good record on scientific training and research. Now, a creationist movement has formed among extreme Muslim that mirrors our own Evangelical crusade. Islamic extremists can look to George Bush for support after his recent endorsement of the creationist “Intelligent Design” theory being taught in schools.
For example, Muslim creationist Adnan Oktar (who goes by the name of Harun Yahya) has produced an 850 page work entitled “Atlas of Creation” that is being distributed in Islamic countries. On his website,, he simply notes “Darwin’s claims were of course based on no scientific evidence or findings.” The movement is detailed in a Science journal article by Hampshire College’s Salman Hameed.
A shocking 40 percent of Americans reject evolution and only 47 percent of Americans accept say that they believe in it.
Righty-o
First, I’m not Wayne and Wayne’s not me; although I’m curious why anyone made the comparison.
Second, in re my take on intelligent design, see Kant’s discussion of the ‘Fourth Antinomy’ in ‘The Critique of Pure Reason’ — Makes Kansas look silly.
Third,
And God said, ‘Let there be Layla’
Righty-o
First, I’m not Wayne and Wayne’s not me; although I’m curious why anyone made the comparison.
Second, in re my take on intelligent design, see Kant’s discussion of the ‘Fourth Antinomy’ in ‘The Critique of Pure Reason’ — Makes Kansas look silly.
Third,
And God said, ‘Let there be Layla’
Patty C
1, December 13, 2008 at 4:52 pm
“mespo,
you want the over or under on the hysterical replies?”
I’ll take the over on the pompous, arrogant and ignorant attacks.
Oh and by the way, since I’ve been accused of being a troll and being Seamus and Bob Esq, (and a coward), I’ve attached my actual photo, and registered with WordPress, not to mention using my real name “WAYNE” in my handle.
If anyone would like to insult, ridicule or challenge me further by either fabricating their meanings for my words, inventing belief systems for me or by suggesting I am some sort of evil troll, then at least now you can do it to my face, so to speak.
mespo,
you want the over or under on the hysterical replies?
Mespo:
Penji may be a Thanksgiving Day reject given his size and evil disposition.
We are now off to the Cub Scout regata with the Turley Armada: three entries. Aidan can claim the unique status of the only hairy vessel (covered in faux wolf fur) while Jack is racing a Kirby vessel. Ben is going for speed with a British cutter.
Once I unstick my fingers from the Crazy Glue, I will be blogging in the morning.
Admiral Turley
mespo727272
1, December 13, 2008 at 2:25 pm
“Your apparently “invigorated” quote from Einstein is a far cry from the Santa Claus god you implied and what Einstein envisioned and you likely know that.”
Once again I attribute your lack of reading comprehension skills to a failure of our public school system.
Here, since you clearly are “special” in that respect I’ll repost what I ACTUALLY said.
So it’s not muddied with your inventions.
I SAID: “The funny thing to me is these “creationists” can’t seem to correlate science with a belief in a God. Einstein did. So did Aristarchus and Newton.”
I never said anything about the NATURE of that God, nor did I ever imply it.
I also never said anything about Einstein actually “BELIEVING” in that god, as you have repeatedly asserted.
I said merely he “correlated science with a belief in a god”, MEANING he saw the allowance for both.
If you actually try reading Einsteins writings, instead of googling quotes to try to insult me, (for reasons yet to be determined), you will find that he considered himself agnostic, neither supporting nor denying the existence of a higher intelligence.
THEN, I said this;
“If there is a god then he gave us brains to figure out the cosmos around us.”
A SEPERATE statement from the one about Einstein, Newton and Aristarchus. One that I was making, and never even suggested had anything to do with them.
And note, I said “IF” there is a god.
I did not say there was a god. I did not say I believed in a god. And I certainly did not imply anything as to the nature of that god, other than IF there is one, THEN he gave us brains.
Not that it’s any of your business mister, but I personally am agnostic and neither believe, nor disbelieve in the existence of a god, intelligence or Santy Claus.
Oh and as for the “cowardice” claim?
I would consider cowardice someone like you hiding behind a keyboard, fabricating lies about others and attributing YOUR meanings to their words in an apparent desperate attempt to insult them.
mespo727272
1, December 13, 2008 at 2:25 pm
“I meant only that only a life being can only give something that it already possesses.”
Well that’s an interesting belief system you have there.
I made my mom a clay ashtray in the 1st grade.
I did not however possess clay, or the ashtray on my being.
Of course I never said anything about a “life being” , nor did I ever suggest Einstein believed in one. That was your fabrication once more, obviously based on your lack of reading comprehension skills.
JT, this is cause for celebration, indeed!
I just hope you manage to get the Turley Family holiday photo with ‘Pengi’ in front of the ‘new’ house this year – for the mantelpiece…
…so you, Leslie, and all your family and friends can enjoy it, year-round!
I meant only that only a life being can only give something that it already possesses. For god to give (which is a human trait) he must necessarily possess (another human trait). Your apparently “invigorated” quote from Einstein is a far cry from the Santa Claus god you implied and what Einstein envisioned and you likely know that. Running from the import of your words isn’t really cowardice, but it’ll do until the real thing comes along.
“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds.
That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God.”
Albert Einstein
mespo727272
1, December 13, 2008 at 10:12 am
WAYNEBRO:
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What you said was: “The funny thing to me is these “creationists” can’t seem to correlate science with a belief in a God. Einstein did. So did Aristarchus and Newton. If there is a god then he gave us brains to figure out the cosmos around us.”
I am unaware of any non-anthropomorphic god that has “brains,” but I keenly aware of some recent posters who repeatedly try to demonstrate to the rest of us that they do not”
Then you should include yourself in the latter, as if you go back and try actually reading what I wrote instead of reposting it and putting your “spin” on it, you’ll discover that I said “IF” there is a god then he gave “US” brains.
Nowhere did I state that the god had a brain.
Try using your brain for reading comprehension next time.
Professor,
Didn’t know you were a Pagan Animist….cool. Merry Winter Solstice to you.
JT,
You’ll have to write your “death by inflatable Pengi” post so it may be entered into the blog posthumously!
JT:
“Actually, I almost came off the roof. I keep forgetting that when “Pengi” is fully inflated, there is not enough room for both of us.”
************
Goodness sakes, did “Pengi” moonlight in the Macy’s Thanksgiving day Parade?
Could this possibly be him????
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_beQAfY8_jfY/R3fwIssQyCI/AAAAAAAABoo/rSsGGRlrBwM/IMG_0522.jpg
WAYNEBRO:
“Well I guess it’s lucky for me then that I never said he believed in an “antropomorphic god”, isn’t it?”
*************
What you said was: “The funny thing to me is these “creationists” can’t seem to correlate science with a belief in a God. Einstein did. So did Aristarchus and Newton. If there is a god then he gave us brains to figure out the cosmos around us.”
I am unaware of any non-anthropomorphic god that has “brains,” but I keenly aware of some recent posters who repeatedly try to demonstrate to the rest of us that they do not.
Prof. Turley,
Be careful, we don’t want any Flying Penguin stories!
Actually, I almost came off the roof. I keep forgetting that when “Pengi” is fully inflated, there is not enough room for both of us. Death by inflatable Penguin is one of the least researched areas of fatal accidents.
JT,
Will it only come off the roof when you offer it beer?
Hi everyone. I wanted to ask everyone to try to keep the posts civil. I have not been following the entries recently due to litigation. However, we should dial down a bit. We love spirited exchanges but this blog values civil discourse with a minimum of personal attacks.
I am now off to hoist my cherished ten-foot-inflatable Holiday Penguin on top of my house — to my wife’s utter embarrassment. It is a must . . . no a calling.
Thanks.