After refusing to release even unclassified materials as Vice President, former Vice President Dick Cheney is now calling for the release of all interrogation reports to show that torture works. This is the same Cheney who supported the denial of such evidence to courts and criminal defendants and Congress. However, now that calls for prosecution for war crimes are increasing, Cheney suddenly believes in transparency in government. In the meantime, Obama has reversed earlier statements and indicated that he will not rule out prosecutions of Bush officials. We discussed this latest development on this segment of MSNBC Countdown.
“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn’t put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified. . . .I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven’t announced this up until now, I haven’t talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country. . . .And I’ve now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.”
This is part of the new strategy where torture is defended because it works. This is the same argument that I faced yesterday in a debate on NPR with Professor Robert Turner, click here. The media is being sucked into this false debate, debating how successful the torture program was in extracting information. Under domestic and international law, we are not allowed to torture people regardless of how successful it might be. In the same fashion, we are not allowed to beat and torture criminal defendants like Dirty Harry with post hoc rationalizations. International treaties and cases expressly reject such claims.
In his latest round of interviews, <a href=”click here.”>Cheney added “I don’t think we’ve got much to apologize for.” As we have previously discussed on the air, Cheney is the walking example of the dangers of Obama’s policy of blocking any investigation, click here. Not only is Cheney walking around casually discussing war crimes, he is wholly unrepentant. He and others are now trying to corrupt this country’s values even further by defining the issue of war crimes as to whether they resulted in actionable intelligence.
For the Fox News interview, click here.
Well TY and to SCoot a Good Night.
Yeah, I guess crafting policies and procedures to be in compliance with laws is really bad. On the other hand it’s done every day. If it’s done by someone you like, its good policy and an attempt to comply with the law, if it’s done by someone you don’t like its a crime. I see the fundamental fairness and logic here…not.
AY, that last post was really infantile. You are indeed the weakest anyway, so I won’t put too much energy into responding.
Adios, Ciao, Auf Wedersehen and Khuda Hafiz.
Bron,
And I really meant the “buddy” too, not sarcastically like with our current troll fodder.
Anon:
Still have any of those pies? I bet they are well-preserved. 😀
Bron,
Confusion due to lack of legal basis works for me, buddy. The bad news is that people who suffer true MPD (and there is debate about the legitimacy of the condition)? The personalities usually don’t know about each other. So you could be screwed. 😀 Just kidding!
Buddha:
That cinches it. I am off to Tom Leonard’s (our version of Stu Leonard’s) tomorrow to get the real stuff.
mespo,
It does actually work with carrot cake. I had a Polish engineer friend in Dallas who liked it that way because he was allergic to cream cheese but carrot cake was his favorite. It also does wonder on Angel Food. hmmmmm Maple Glaze 😀
Buddha and Patty C
When I was working for the AG. I made Minced Meat Pies. I bought a half gallon of Rum. The next morning the bottle was empty. I did not feel so good and everyone loved the pies. I am sure I used most of the Rum for the intended Pies. But for the life of me. Living in Austin and doing the things that we did back in the late 70’s or early 80’s I am just not sure.
It was like Give me some of that purple boogie . . .
Buddha:
thank you but can we call it confusion due to lack of legal foundation? Sounds much better.
And honestly I am not any of those guys. I have consistently been me, these many years, well as far as I know. but then if there were 2 or 3 of me I might not be aware until I was arrested. Although I am pretty sure I am in here alone.
Buddha:
“And it smell just like maple syrup.”
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That’s the glaze I have been looking for !
Pointing out errors is a way of telling people what they don’t know. How is it exactly that you plan to win a case in court Scott if you won’t tell people they are wrong? Hm? Perhaps reflexive defensiveness at being proven wrong is a sign of weakness of both intellect and fortitude. The only fear here is yours, buddy. And it smell just like maple syrup.
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DID YOU DID THE KOOL AIDE YET
WILL PEOPLE STOP ARGUING WITH ME ABOUT “THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS” ARGUMENT, I NEVER MADE THAT POINT OR ARGUED IT. AGAIN, SOME OF YOU HAVE “PRE-EMPTIVE TALKING POINTS” Thanks.
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That is exactly what we are saying or at least I am saying about Cheney. And here is what Cheney said and did “WILL PEOPLE STOP ARGUING WITH ME ABOUT “THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS” ARGUMENT” I am the Veep and CIC and I make all of the Commander in Chief Decisions.
Rice: I thought W was elected President.
Cheney: Thats what you think.
Bush: You mean I was not elected President
Cheney: Thats right.
See how it will play out SCoot?
Ok could you find the fool, its kind of a basic Where’s Waldo. Hint it is the Name you use here.
Patty C:
OMG is it idiot proof? It’s looks fairly easy but I always mess up the topping somehow. Do I keep the ingredients cold or let them settle to room temperature?
Patty,
Gin? Doesn’t the juniper fight with the raisin flavor?
Feeling the need to continually tell people how much they don’t know within each post is really unecessary. It doesn’t help your position and may only lead some, with a thinking mind,to conclude that perhaps you feel the need to do that because you may feel a bit threatened.
mespo,
You have a point there about ORU.
Patty,
In Bron’s defense, sometimes what he practices is called “confusion” and/or “lack of legal foundation”. I know nothing will ever convince you he’s not Wayne, but The Real Wayne does keep popping up on RCC dominated threads. You can tell by the homophobia and insistence he’s a Ph.D. Bron may be many things, but he’s not a homophobe or Wayne. I’ve been giving some thought to this and Bron may have been Bartlebee, that was before my time, as to CCM? I think he’s Wayne from our previous smack downs but not Bron. There’s two different styles going on and quite simply Bron doesn’t come off that batshit crazy. I’ll stipulate Bron came in initially like a troll. Hell, he’ll stipulate he came in like a troll. But I’d need more recent proof of his being the beast known as Wayne given Bron’s 1) consistent good behavior and contribution since his mea culpa, 2) he’s evidenced evolving acceptance to ideas CCM/Wayne foam at the mouth over and 3) JT’s verification of distinct e-mail. It’s not the IP identification standard I’d want in court, true, but it satisfies me as to his distinctness in light of the other items I mentioned. Have you considered CCM may be Jon Abbey? Just a thought. I know you are as unlikely to relent on this as you are on Jill, but seriously, look back at the styles and content. I think it’s a case of two trolls with one reformation.
mespo727272 1, April 23, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Patty C:
Give me the over at 6. BTW do you have any interesting carrot cake recipes? I can only find the old standard one from “Joy of Baking,” and I would like to spruce it up. Any ideas? I want some apples or walnuts or something in there–maybe rum!
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I do, I do… This one has marscapone icing! 😉
I LOVE carrot cake and I make Morning Glory muffins often.
Although I have never done it for this cake, I would suggest soaking the raisins in the rum (or gin!) overnight, if you want that ‘spike’ in flavor.
http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/the-ultimate-carrot-cake-with-mascarpone-fromage-frais-and-cinnamon-icing,1663,RC.html
The Ultimate Carrot Cake with Mascarpone, Fromage Frais and Cinnamon Icing
I have been making carrot cake for years, and each time it seems to improve with a little tinkering here and there. Now I think it has reached its all-time peak – this one has been unanimously voted the best ever!
SCott:
“The fact that they crafted these things to be in compliance with the law, although “crafty”, and something you may vehemently disagree with morally and policitally, does not per se make it illegal.”
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The government of the United States is not in the “crafty” business. It’s in the fair and equal administration of law business.
“Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law: it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administation of the criminal law the end justifies the means – to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal – would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this Court should resolutely set its face.”
–Justice Louis Brandeis in Olmstead v. U.S., 277 US at 485. (1928)
Patty C:
“Our ‘problem child’, Bartlebee/Wayne/CromagnonMan aka Bron 98,
is once again promoting the idea that what he does is called ‘debate’ under various, newly introduced, handles.
You want the ‘over’ or ‘under’ on the hysterical replies?”
how are Damewitts of the Magna Carta working out for you? Still a member? Go take some amphetamine sulfate for the dementia.
Scoot:
Your welcome, but then I took the over too.