After refusing to release even unclassified materials as Vice President, former Vice President Dick Cheney is now calling for the release of all interrogation reports to show that torture works. This is the same Cheney who supported the denial of such evidence to courts and criminal defendants and Congress. However, now that calls for prosecution for war crimes are increasing, Cheney suddenly believes in transparency in government. In the meantime, Obama has reversed earlier statements and indicated that he will not rule out prosecutions of Bush officials. We discussed this latest development on this segment of MSNBC Countdown.
“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn’t put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified. . . .I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven’t announced this up until now, I haven’t talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country. . . .And I’ve now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.”
This is part of the new strategy where torture is defended because it works. This is the same argument that I faced yesterday in a debate on NPR with Professor Robert Turner, click here. The media is being sucked into this false debate, debating how successful the torture program was in extracting information. Under domestic and international law, we are not allowed to torture people regardless of how successful it might be. In the same fashion, we are not allowed to beat and torture criminal defendants like Dirty Harry with post hoc rationalizations. International treaties and cases expressly reject such claims.
In his latest round of interviews, <a href=”click here.”>Cheney added “I don’t think we’ve got much to apologize for.” As we have previously discussed on the air, Cheney is the walking example of the dangers of Obama’s policy of blocking any investigation, click here. Not only is Cheney walking around casually discussing war crimes, he is wholly unrepentant. He and others are now trying to corrupt this country’s values even further by defining the issue of war crimes as to whether they resulted in actionable intelligence.
For the Fox News interview, click here.
Come on Scotty, get more pissed off. It amuses me.
The skills never leave is you had quality instruction. I had an instructor for Logic & Legal Reasoning that could have made God question his rationale. A good law education is a bit like very directed brainwashing. A bad one? Well, we’ve had eight years of seeing what that looks like cough cough ‘Berto cough cough DOJ plants cough cough. I’m glad you got you zest for the life back. I sometimes miss it, but most days not at all. Like you said, how many ways can you tell a judge fuck you before getting the free green bologna sandwiches? Or in my case, how long can one resist beating the crap out of some mook taking advantage of his clients?
I haven’t seen any sharks, and least of all in you. Because as your last post proves, most of your posts are “you visibly don’t know what you are talking about”….or “sharks patrol these waters” type of stuff, with a tad of the actual subject matter mixed in, usually in conclusory form. Again, if you keep saying such things maybe they will become true in your mind and no one will go back and read your posts and see how non responsive and devoid of any facts or cogent arguments. So sad about the C+, I so wanted to win your approval, you are great, you are my hero, you are a shark! Make a real point or argument once in a while. Start with the facts, apply some law and come to a conclusion. Again, don’t start with your conclusion, I have tried to help you in this regard several times.
Me too. Me too. You don’t know how sorry I am and how sorry of a parent I felt and all the other guilt. Now I am ready, got the teeth sharpened. Skills never left, I just did not care. I came back home and Isolated for about the last 17 months. Now Teeth Sharpened, check.
AY,
Sorry for your loss.
I took a break after my only son died of an Ambien over dose. I am ready to get back into it again. I like the Office environment and was quite the Rainmakker.
The Judges another story. How many times can you say Fuck You to a Judge in round about ways before you get hit with contempt. 2 times 1 time down. I was good. I am good. I would have people follow me out of the courtroom or other cases I would pick up the other sides client after the case.
But it took it toll when my son died and I just did not care. I was a poor mans Feiger. Oh yeah.
See Scottie, that’s where you screwed up. You wanted to play lawyer with a bunch of lawyers. We don’t fight fair, especially when someone 1) acts like a propagandist and 2) visibly doesn’t know what they are talking about. You want to make the case for your boy Cheney? Go play with the children at WaPo or Huffington Post. Sharks patrol these waters.
I’ve also noticed I comma splice and inappropriately use apostrophes when I’ve been drinking vodka, but that’s another story.
Nope.
I quit the profession entirely. There’s a long post on here somewhere detailing why. Let’s just say I had a crisis of conscience because the guys I fell in with were the kind of attorney’s that give the profession a bad name. I haven’t even maintained my CLE’s. I did see something in the press about Chantix the other day. I’m a business man now. Less stressful and time consuming. I still get to scare the crap out of people in negotiations. Law is a flexible area of study I’ve found. Beyond the legal knowledge proper, it’s a great education in social engineering and raw logic/analytical methodologies.
Buddha, Messpo et al.
Is it glum in here again. Are the gnats letting us know it is spring and soon will be summer? I have seen a couple of June bugs smahed em to. They tried to get in the Hot Tub with me.
Oh SCoot is about, Hi SCoot. I thought you got your milk and cookies and were going beddie bye?
How do I expect to win a case if I don’t point out to people they are wrong? First, I never said I was a lawyer, or in other words “assuming facts not in evidence.” Secondly, I lost the translation between “pointing out to people they are wrong” with “you obviously don’t know anything” “It is clear I know more than you” “You are a lightweight” “you are obviously a twit” etc. I lost the translation between those type comments and “pointing out to people they are wrong.” Are we speaking the same language? Those comments are hyperbole in the attempt to validate an attempted argument at the conclusion in the hopes that some ignorant reader will agree with them if you say it often enough.
So did you get the Notice from the ABA about Advair and Floradil. A class action is brewing up. and Here in Texas Chantix is getting some coverage.
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Some criminal, mostly med mal and real estate. The occasional contracts issue.
Well I apologize for the dribble and the renal Fool. But he was getting annoying. He knows what he is doing and is enjoying changing the target once you get close to the answer to the question he asked.
I love the Internet, if I don’t know, I can find it out and if I can’t find it out there. I can inquire within.
So Buddha, I did a lot of Family and Criminal Law case, sometimes they were one in the same. What area for you?
Patty,
Will do. I’ll also pass it along to my mom. She has RA.
mespo, not sure what you mean, but I make the icing with cool and room temperature ingredients. The glaze goes on warm cakes.
Buddha, try gin soaked raisins or ‘sultanas’.
You will like, I bet, and they are good for you, too,
– for inflammation from ‘arthritis’ according to an old
Folk remedy 😉
AY,
Yeah, my editor’s eye says you could have done the same thing with fewer iterations of “FOOL”. Still, it had it’s charms.
Buddha:
thank you.
Awwww, we hurt his little feelings by pointing out he was a hack who didn’t understand that of which he spoke. So tell me again Scott how you intend to win in court without pointing out the other side is wrong? I’d really like to hear that one.
You’ve just been downgraded to a “C+”. You get the + because unlike most of your trollish wishful thinking policy wonk brethren, you can actually write in complete sentences that periodically manage to not sound like spoon fed Neocon talking points.
I did think it was funny, Kind of annoying did you not think? Now take the posting to the bathroom mirror and see if you are still annoying.
I apologize if I offended anyone for the annoying rendition.