Obama Administration Reserves Right to Indefinitely Hold Detainees Acquitted of Charges

225px-official_portrait_of_barack_obamaThe Obama Administration continues its retention and expansion of abusive Bush policies — now clearly Obama policies on indefinite detention and blocking the investigation of war crimes. Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department’s chief lawyer, has stated that it is a “policy question” whether acquitted individuals will be released or held indefinitely.

In May, President Obama announced that he supported indefinite detention of individual in violation of both domestic and international law. He has even found his detention policies to be a subject of jokes.

Liberals continue to be largely silent in the face of policies that they once denounced and protested. It is rare to hear any coverage or questions of the Administration’s refusal to investigate war crimes of torture, for example. Liberals seem to be quickly developing a cult of personality that has supplanted the most basic principles of human rights and international law. As with the Republicans under Bush, the Democrats are refusing to push the Administration to investigate torture or comply with international law. Before the inauguration, various generals and senators claimed that Obama and Holder assured them privately that no one would be investigated for torture. It now appears that these stories were likely true. Democrats must choose between their principles and their politicians — and they appear to be making the same choice as their Republican counterparts.

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348 thoughts on “Obama Administration Reserves Right to Indefinitely Hold Detainees Acquitted of Charges”

  1. “GWH Bush consistently back up Saudi positions and made his money in deals with them. He currently is involved in business with them through the Carlyle Group. He watched 9/11 with Osama Bin Laden’s brother.”

    But Mike, that is the FATHER youre talking about——what does that have to do with the SON????? HMMMMMMMM???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  2. “LOL. Im a racist by merely pointing out that black people DO cry race when they are treated unfairly??????’

    You are of course a racist, but a cowardly one because you won’t openly admit it.

    “Yet, you seem to find significance in Bush’s family tree—correct? Why so hypocritical?”

    The Bush family since Prescott Bush has also been involved in ant-Israel, anti-Jewish issues, because they are intimately entwined with the Saud Family and Saudi Arabia in particular.
    GWH Bush consistently back up Saudi positions and made his money in deals with them. He currently is involved in business with them through the Carlyle Group. He watched 9/11 with Osama Bin Laden’s brother. His sons are all in business with the Saudi’s and GW Bush’s two failed businesses were funded by the Saudi’s, who absorbed his losses. You are too caught up in your own mis-suppositions about the world to actually know anything about which you speak, which makes you that most dangerous of humans: A stupid person who thinks he’s smart.

    “So, you like Nazi’s now Mike? Hey everyone—Mike LOVES Nazi’s!!!!”

    So since you didn’t deny it I guess I was right about you being a Left Wing Stalinist. Stalin by the way, since your historical knowledge is spotty, hated Jews also and killed about as many people as Hitler did. He was as psychotic as Hitler, only on the Left Wing, rather than Right Wing. Do come back when you know a little more about history, but given your overwhelming prejudice I don’t think learning is really possible for you.

  3. LOL. Im a racist by merely pointing out that black people DO cry race when they are treated unfairly?????? (Can you say O.J. Simpson?) Thats FACT, not racist. Why would you give a shit that Bush’s grandfather had Nazi ties if you have been tirelessly defending Rahm Emanuel and making it appear because his father was a terrorist means nothing in relation to the son? Yet, you seem to find significance in Bush’s family tree—correct? Why so hypocritical? Why does it matter about Bush 43’s ancestors but it matters not ONE BIT about Rahm Emanuels’? Hmmmmmm? I cant wait to hear your spin-riddled response.

    “Your dislike for Nazi’s only means that you are a Left Wing proto Stalinist, rather than a Right Wing Fascist.”

    So, you like Nazi’s now Mike? Hey everyone—Mike LOVES Nazi’s!!!!

  4. “You mind me of black people who always cry race when they encounter some injustice.”

    So now we know you’re a racist as well as being anti-Jewish. Only a racist would make a statement like that. As for Jim Marrs I’ve been a fan of his since 1972 when he wrote: “Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy,” somehow he never impressed me as being anti-Jewish, or anti-Black as you are. Also I was perhaps the first on this blog to mention Prescott Bush and his Nazi dealings. This was first written about by John Loftus in his book “The Secret War Against the Jews,” but that doesn’t seem to be the kind of book you’d be into.

    “And by the way, I was telling YOU…MIKE…to get out of this country…not your nationality. You decided to exploit your nationality…not me.”

    Your remark in context meant to leave the US and go to Israel. You know that but you lack the courage or the honesty to say that. Your dislike for Nazi’s only means that you are a Left Wing proto Stalinist, rather than a Right Wing Fascist. In the end its’ the same thing, intolerance for any viewpoint you disagree with. What you really exhibit is a totalitarian personality and so the whatever there is that is positive in you socio/political beliefs is more than canceled out by your inability to think dialectically.

  5. I actually typed “You remind me….” in my first full sentence. It didnt appear.

  6. Oh brother. You mind me of black people who always cry race when they encounter some injustice. I know it was Emanuel’s FATHER I was talking about—and his SON has a terrorist tie—that was my whole point. George W Bush has a tie to Hitler too. His grandfather Prescott, who was also a US Senator, got his first family fortune working for a bank that financed Hitler’s concentration camps. Arnold Swartzeneggar’s father was an SS stormtrooper. I guess that means nothing too. If you think Nazi’s are extinct, think again…they are still around. Ive read Jim Marr’s book “The Rise of the Fourth Reich”. These evil and corrupt people are still in every nook and cranny or government, business and social standing all over the world.

    And by the way, I was telling YOU…MIKE…to get out of this country…not your nationality. You decided to exploit your nationality…not me.

  7. “Funny how you mentioned that I was using a smokescreen when YOU brought up the issue of my “father” when it had NOTHING to do with anything I said about Emanuel—since I am NOT a public or political figure whose ideologies can affect this countries policies!”

    Larry,
    Rahm Emmanuel’s father isn’t a public figure either, but that didn’t stop you from using him to attack his son. That was the point Larry but you are really to dim to get it.

    “I am not against the existence of Israel or Jews.”

    You really are gutless aren’t you? You know damn well that you are against the existence of Israel, but you don’t have the guts to at least be honest about it. Your opposition is implicit in your word choice and your statements. You use Zionist as an epithet and since a Zionist per se supports Israel, your meaning is clear, even if your are not able to understand the import of your words.

    Finally, up until this point I haven’t called you anti-Jewish and I really don’t have to. The fact that you stated:

    “GO LIVE THERE Mike and get the hell out of THIS country.”

    If you substituted Jew for Mike in that sentence it would have the same meaning, but you lack the courage to show your true beliefs, even while you lack the capacity to conceal them.

  8. Funny how you mentioned that I was using a smokescreen when YOU brought up the issue of my “father” when it had NOTHING to do with anything I said about Emanuel—since I am NOT a public or political figure whose ideologies can affect this countries policies! The YouTube videos show who Rahm Emanuel REALLY is and its not someone esle saying it—its footage of Emanuel HIMSELF. I KNEW youd ignore it and come up with some bullshit reason why you did.

    I am not against the existence of Israel or Jews. I am against the fact that the United States is still treating Israel as if it was still the Israel mentioned in the Bible–its NOT—nor has it been for some 70 years now. Religion is the most dangerous thing in the world–always has been–and religion will be the ruination of this planet.

  9. Larry,
    You use Zionist as a sort of curse word. I think that shows who you are and before you get your knickers in a bunch, I am not implying you are anti-Jewish, merely that you have certain pre-judgments about Israel and Zionism, that are firmly formed in your psyche. Since, although I believe in Zionism (of which you only think you understand)I am rather more moderate and critical if Israel in my views, debating this with you would not be profitable. Your beliefs are rigidly held, why mine are open to evidence, that gives you an advantage in discussion, that you knowledge of it doesn’t warrant. Also why should I bother watching your “You Tube” evidence, while you are so carefully hiding your parent’s background, since it is you that made parental background into an issue.

    Let’s finally be honest here though and cut through your crap and my patiently not really even resorting to choice epithets.
    You are not a believer in the right of Israel to exist and you believe Zionism to be bad. You introduced this topic by a sideways attack on Emmanuel’s father, but that was the smokescreen to get around to your real points. Larry, it is so damned rhetorically obvious, that of course I haven’t taken you seriously. As for responding to you point by point why should I offer you a courtesy you haven’t extended to me?

  10. LOL—-but yet youve ignored the YouTube links TWICE now. I figured you were a Zionist—I didnt even really have to ask that. I just wanted to see you type that you are.

  11. “You didnt deny that youre a Zionist and that you are against Palestinians being killed, so I’ll have to assume that you are 100% FOR those things.”

    Larry,
    The reason I don’t deal with you is illustrated by your sentence above. Do you understand what you’ve written and what it implies? If I answered it as you wish I would have to say that:

    Yes I am a Zionist and I’m against Palestinians being killed.

    This is underlined by your assumption by my not answering that you’d have to assume that I’m 100% for Palestinians not being killed, which indeed I am and yes I support Zionism.

    Now as far as your charge that I’m deflecting your points, I would say it is more your inability to provided a rational argument that causes me to ignore you. You brought your brother into it as a “straw men” and I don’t take “straw man” arguments seriously. By the way you still haven’t told me about your parent’s background so I can decide what it is you stand for, as you do with Mr. Emmanuel. For all I know your parents were members of the Aryan Nation, or perhaps officials of the PLO? This would, by your own reasoning powers affect the person you are.

    I don’t answer you because you are incapable of interesting discussion and your sole purpose is to gratify your needy ego by attacking something. You are here to bait, not debate and that’s a hook I’m not biting.

  12. “Perhaps you should get the hell out of my country since I was born here”———uhhhhhh, so was I, dumbass–whats your point???

    I love how, ONCE AGAIN, you IGNORED 90% of my post and only focused on ONE sentence—so, since you have reading comprehension problems, Ill post the same post again (I will delete the part that you DID address):
    Yeah, he did a great job IGNORING my post—which is what YOU do Patty! No wonder he got your approval! Still ignoring the YouTube links where Emanuel talks about FORCED service—still IGNORING the parts where I talked about Obama continuing Bush policies….ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore. Mike—Im actually shocked that you completely diverted attention away from my MAIN point about the chat I had with my brother and decided to turn it into an ad hominem attack. Thats CLEARLY what you did. The POINT of my chat with him WAS NOT that it was my brother—it was the substance of the dialogue—-which you IGNORED. I should have just said “a friend” so I could have seen how you would have diverted from that as well.

    You may have fooled your fellow morons like Patty C, because she ignores, ignores, ignores too—–but those of us, like me, with any kind of a brain see exactly what you did. Your Bill O Reilly-style spin doesnt work with people like me.

    The funny thing is, you COMPLETELY ignored my first post above which was directed at YOU personally. Instead you commented on the one I left for Patty. I guess when you have no facts to fight back with,then saying nothing IS one’s only option. Care to comment on my first post above (the one left at 3:51am)?? Care to comment on the YouTube videos of Emanuel?

    You didnt deny that youre a Zionist and that you are against Palestinians being killed, so I’ll have to assume that you are 100% FOR those things.
    *****************************************************************************************************!

    I’ll be waiting on pins and needles to see how you IGNORE and deflect away from this post!!

    Will you ignore it AGAIN????

  13. Mike Spindell 1, July 13, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    “GO LIVE THERE Mike and get the hell out of THIS country. The U.S. people are supposed to protect OUR people, no one elses!”

    Larry,
    Perhaps you should get the hell out of my country since I was born here, but more importantly I understand what this country is about, whereas you just think you represent it all. I actually would like the US to cease all aid to Israel, because the country can stand on its’ own without the Us shackling it to protect the Saudi’s. At that point you might see how quickly and peacefully peace comes about.
    **************

    Mike you know that we cannot have counter intelligence if we did not give something. We are honor bond to give other people other things so that we can justify being in the middle of it.

    I do agree that peace would be brought about in many areas much quicker if we were not involved.

  14. “GO LIVE THERE Mike and get the hell out of THIS country. The U.S. people are supposed to protect OUR people, no one elses!”

    Larry,
    Perhaps you should get the hell out of my country since I was born here, but more importantly I understand what this country is about, whereas you just think you represent it all. I actually would like the US to cease all aid to Israel, because the country can stand on its’ own without the Us shackling it to protect the Saudi’s. At that point you might see how quickly and peacefully peace comes about.

  15. Yeah, he did a great job IGNORING my post—which is what YOU do Patty! No wonder he got your approval! Still ignoring the YouTube links where Emanuel talks about FORCED service—still IGNORING the parts where I talked about Obama continuing Bush policies….ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore. Mike—Im actually shocked that you completely diverted attention away from my MAIN point about the chat I had with my brother and decided to turn it into an ad hominem attack. Thats CLEARLY what you did. The POINT of my chat with him WAS NOT that it was my brother—it was the substance of the dialogue—-which you IGNORED. I should have just said “a friend” so I could have seen how you would have diverted from that as well.

    You may have fooled your fellow morons like Patty C, because she ignores, ignores, ignores too—–but those of us, like me, with any kind of a brain see exactly what you did. Your Bill O Reilly-style spin doesnt work with people like me.

    The funny thing is, you COMPLETELY ignored my first post above which was directed at YOU personally. Instead you commented on the one I left for Patty. I guess when you have no facts to fight back with,then saying nothing IS one’s only option. Care to comment on my first post above (the one left at 3:51am)?? Care to comment on the YouTube videos of Emanuel?

    You didnt deny that youre a Zionist and that you are against Palestinians being killed, so I’ll have to assume that you are 100% FOR those things. If you support Israel——GO LIVE THERE Mike and get the hell out of THIS country. The U.S. people are supposed to protect OUR people, no one elses!

    I’ll be waiting on pins and needles to see how you IGNORE and deflect away from this post!!

  16. “You sound like my brother. A few weeks ago he told me he likes Obama.”

    Larry,
    I really don’t think this site is the proper forum for you to discuss your family issues. Is it your younger brother? If so then I suspect you feel your parents showed him more love. However, if it is your older brother than I suspect that you somehow feel overshadowed and less of a person than he is. In any event I think there are psychological sites that could be of more help with your problems.

    However, since your post is rife with family issues would it be too much for me to inquire as to your parent’s history. This would of course relate to your criticism of Rahm Emmanuel and would give us insight into your motivations and actions. I say this only because you have put forth the proposition that Mr. Emmanuel’s father’s history controls his actions and suitability. What was your father’s history and how does it control you and/or make you a better/worse person?

  17. Patty said:

    “No, I liked Rahmn Emanuel for putting forth his proposal to cut off funding for Cheney’s fourth branch of government, at a time when something sorely needed to happen along with a lot of other things, thank you.

    Other than that, he’s no longer elected to anything, and I’ve never voted for him. If Obama likes his friend from Illinois as Chief of Staff, he can have him. It doesn’t bother me.”

    The Chief of Staff has a SIGNIFICANT amount of influence on foreign policy!!! And it “doesnt bother you?” Are they prosecuting Cheney and Bush’s war crimes Patty????? Hmmmm???? I see that you COMPLETELY IGNORED the links I posted above where Rahm Emanuel talked about FORCED government service of Americans. Tell me something Patty—is FORCED, compulsory service FREEDOM? Or is it SLAVERY? Tell me the EXACT portion of our Constitution that gives these pricks the right to FORCE me to do government service!!

    Here’s the links again. Im sure youll IGNORE them again!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVMNS1VlLg

    Mike S. ignored the clips too. Guess the truth is hard to swallow when youre blinded by the phony right/left paradigm

  18. Patty said:

    “I really don’t care to engage with people like Larry, myself, but feel free.”

    LOL, because you have no FACTS to support your conclusions! You sound like my brother. A few weeks ago he told me he likes Obama. I said “why? he’s continued about 15 Bush policies so far…not ONE troop is home, he continued the military commissions, he put 84 BILLION more towards the wars (that he said he was against) and is REFUSING to prosecute the Bush war crimes. (By the way, do you know that Obama’s inaction on prosecuting war crimes makes HIM guilty of war crimes too? If you dont believe me—just ask Jonathan Turley. I think you’ve heard of him…you’re on his site)

    Then I said, “Tell me one reason you like him”. Know what his EXACT words were? “I dont have a case. I just like him”. Then I said, “So, you like him because you like him.” Then I said, “If you dont have a case, then how did you come to the conclusion that you ‘like him’?” Then he wanted to drop the subject—–much like Patty C is doing. I accused my brother of being EXACTLY like the Bush people who said the SAME THING for 8 years. Then he hung up on me.

    So, Patty—you like him because you like him, huh? BRILLIANT.

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