This is almost hypnotic. One of the leaders at a Tea Party event with the Citizens of Liberty holds forth on the science of global warming. [Note: there will be no academic credit awarded for this Internet learning exercise].
The site for this organization makes clear that this is about a world socialist agenda:
No, nothing will ever be enough for these extremists. Because it really isn’t about saving the planet in the first place. It’s about pushing a socialist agenda to cripple the capitalist nations of the west. It’s about wealth redistribution and socialist schemes under the guise of environmentalism.
While nothing will ever be enough to straighten out the socialists and other Koolaid drinkers, we have more than enough for the American people to force our government to stop treating us worse than foreign dictators and stop this cap and trade global warming tax nonsense in the Senate.
I had to add this to our library of hard-right science, here.
bdaman,
The weather where I am continues to be quite pleasant thus confirming the insidious trend of global moderation. I have a question for you: What do you think that posting stories about record low temperatures is evidence for?
Cold July by the Numbers Posted 2009-07-31
For many people from the Midwest to the Northeast, this July was strikingly cool. In fact, for some cities like Chicago, Madison and Cincinnati, it was the coldest July ever on record. More than 3,000 daily record low or minimum high temperatures were broken nationwide, and many of which were in the Midwest and Northeast. The unusual coolness can be attributed to a storm system over Canada that continuously dipped farther south than usual.
http://www.accuweather.com/news-weather-features.asp?#extremes
Sahara Desert Greening Due to Climate Change?James Owen
for National Geographic News
July 31, 2009
Desertification, drought, and despair—that’s what global warming has in store for much of Africa. Or so we hear.
Emerging evidence is painting a very different scenario, one in which rising temperatures could benefit millions of Africans in the driest parts of the continent.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090731-green-sahara.html
This is HUGE, incredible and simply amazing. You have to read this.
http://climatedepot.com/a/2213/Climate-Revolt-Worlds-Largest-Science-Group-Startled-By-Outpouring-of-Scientists-Rejecting-ManMade-Climate-Fears-Clamor-for-Editor-to-Be-Removed
Buddah, some more for yo ass.
NASA now saying that a Dalton Minimum repeat is possible
7-28-09
Guest Post by David Archibald
NASA’s David Hathaway has adjusted his expectations of Solar Cycle 24 downwards. He is quoted in the New York Times here Specifically, he said:
” Still, something like the Dalton Minimum — two solar cycles in the early 1800s that peaked at about an average of 50 sunspots — lies in the realm of the possible.”
NASA has caught up with my prediction in early 2006 of a Dalton Minimum repeat, so for a brief, shining moment of three years, I have had a better track record in predicting solar activity than NASA.
The graphic above is modified from a paper I published in March, 2006. Even based on our understanding of solar – climate relationship at the time, it was evident the range of Solar Cycle 24 amplitude predictions would result in a 2°C range in temperature. The climate science community was oblivious to this, despite billions being spent. To borrow a term from the leftist lexicon, the predictions above Badalyan are now discredited elements.
Let’s now examine another successful prediction of mine. In March, 2008 at the first Heartland climate conference in New York, I predicted that Solar Cycle 24 would mean that it would not be a good time to be a Canadian wheat farmer. Lo and behold, the Canadian wheat crop is down 20% this year due to a cold spring and dry fields. Story here.
The oceans are losing heat, so the Canadian wheat belt will just get colder and drier as Solar Cycle 24 progresses. As Mark Steyn recently said, anyone under the age of 29 has not experienced global warming. A Dalton Minimum repeat will mean that they will have to wait to the age of 54 odd to experience a warming trend.
Where to now? The F 10.7 flux continues to flatline. All the volatility has gone out of it. In terms of picking the month of minimum for the Solar Cycle 23/24 transition, I think the solar community will put it in the middle of the F 10.7 quiet period due to the lack of sunspots. We won’t know how long that quiet period is until solar activity ramps up again. So picking the month of minimum at the moment may just be guessing.
Dr Hathaway says that we are not in for a Maunder Minimum, and I agree with him. I have been contacted by a gentleman from the lower 48 who has a very good solar activity model. It hindcasts the 20th century almost perfectly, so I have a lot of faith in what it is predicting for the 21st century, which is a couple of very weak cycles and then back to normal as we have known it. I consider his model to be a major advance in solar science.
What I am now examining is the possibility that there will not be a solar magnetic reversal at the Solar Cycle 24 maximum.
Plimer gets especially upset about carbon dioxide, its role in Earth’s daily life and the supposed effects on climate of human manufacture of the gas. He says atmospheric carbon dioxide is now at the lowest levels it has been for 500 million years, and that atmospheric carbon dioxide is only 0.001 per cent of the total amount of the chemical held in the oceans, surface rocks, soils and various life forms. Indeed, Plimer says carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but a plant food. Plants eat carbon dioxide and excrete oxygen. Human activity, he says, contributes only the tiniest fraction to even the atmospheric presence of carbon dioxide.
There is no problem with global warming, Plimer says repeatedly. He points out that for humans periods of global warming have been times of abundance when civilization made leaps forward. Ice ages, in contrast, have been times when human development slowed or even declined.
So global warming, says Plimer, is something humans should welcome and embrace as a harbinger of good times to come.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Global+warming+religion+First+World+urban+elites/1835847/story.html
Hey Buddah http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/9802307/Global_warming_explorers_in_Arctic_get_nasty_shock_polar_ice_caps_blooming_freezing/
U.S. spy satellites are not the only imaging satellites, and while spy satellites may be better at picking up a license plate number from a moving car, plenty of satellites can measure ice caps. But don’t take my word for it, just do a Google search.
So how about this headline: “Bush Hid Ice Images From People Who Can’t Use Google.”
the fact that previously classified spy satellite images were released does not mean that anything was concealed, since ice measurements were taken for decades by scientists using personal observation, airplane flyovers, civilian satellites, and many other means, much of which is available on Google. And the Bush administration actually asserted that there was a decrease in the ice shelf off of Alaska, so one would have to believe that the Bush administration concealed evidence supporting its position. But this has not stopped prominent left-wing blogs, such as Think Progress, from touting the declassified photos as evidence of a Bush administration conspiracy.
Historic winter storm in South America most snow in 50 years
By Alexandre Aguiar / MetSul Weather Center
A major and historic winter storm is underway at this Wednesday morning in Argentina. Snow is falling in many parts of the country and in many areas not used to winter precipitation. Local news reports indicate snow already have been observed in the provinces of Mendoza, San Luis, San Juan, Cordoba, La Pampa and Buenos Aires.
In Bahia Blanca, a coastal city in the Southern part of the Buenos Aires, the snow storm is heavy and local authorities describe it as the worst snow event in 50 years. Roads are already blocked by snow and ice in the regional. TN news channel reports some areas of the Sierra de La Ventana could pick up even 3 feet of snow, unimaginable to the region.
Early this Wednesday afternoon, satellite pictures were showing a band of clouds advancing to the North and snow precipitation could no be ruled out in the capital Buenos Aires. In July 9th and 10th 2007 it snowed in the city of Buenos Aires for the first time in 89 years and it could snow again just two years later. Snow was also reported in the capital of Chile Santiago. MetSul Weather Center is not ruling out snow also in Uruguay.
Cinncinati coldest July EVER!!!!
How about this? We typically hit 90 degrees 8 times in July in Cincinnati. This month we will not reach 90 once! Beyond that, we haven’t even reached a “normal” high this month, and we will not do so before the end of the month. We have had 5 days with October level readings (highs in the 60s to low 70s), and there were 3 days with record cold high temperatures…so far.
Globally, we have more information on cooling ocean temperatures, flat sea-levels (no rises that were predicted by the climate models), thousands of record cold temperatures being set (in the United States alone) and monster winter storms in South America in places that haven’t seen such snow and cold in nearly a century. Oh, and the sun has been blank for 12 straight days, with an occasional weak sunspot trying to develop…and we’re nearly 200 days beyond the duration of a typical (485 days) solar minimum. Think about that. In a few months our minimum will be more than a year past the norm and there are still no signs of the new cycle beginning.
More soon!
Rich Apuzzo
Chief Meteorologist
Skyeye Weather
http://www.examiner.com/x-3854-Cincinnati-Weather-Examiner~y2009m7d23-A-flood-of-cold-weather-and-climate-data
Sure is funny how sunspots have nothing to do with nothing Nada Zilch Zippo but yet we have another meteorologist pointing it out.
The National Weather Service says 2009 has seen the coldest July since the official recording station was moved away from the lakefront in 1942. The average temperature this month in Chicago has been a mere 68.9 degrees.
Even in the years before 1942, when the National Weather Service recorded temperatures at the cooler lakefront, there are only three years that had colder Julys through the 26th.
Chicago Sees Coldest July In 67 Years
Average Temperature Only 68.9 Degrees
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.coldest.july.2.1103959.html
He sure gets defensive as he ponders at the ceiling to come up with an answer. He is feeling like thirty years of his life is going up into the atmosphere. Poof
Al Gore’s venture capital firm has invested $6 million in a software company that stands to make billions of dollars from cap-and-trade regulation — further fueling controversy that Gore lied about his profiteering from cap-and-trade to Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee during testimony in April.
Hara Software sells software to help track greenhouse gas emissions. The market for such software is now about $2.5 billion dollars in size, and is expected to grow by a factor of ten to $25 billion if cap-and-trade legislation is enacted, according to Hara CEO Amit Chatterjee.
Kleiner Perkins, a venture capital firm in which Al Gore is a partner, invested in Hara just last year. Chatterjee told Reuters that,
“This company would not have existed if Al Gore had not bought off on the idea.”
Gore is also under fire for lying to Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) at the same congressional hearing about his relationship with Goldman Sachs.
Operating as a stealth tax, cap-and-trade will make the vast majority of Americans poorer and less free — but Al Gore, Kleiner Perkins, Amit Chatterjee and Hara will be laughing all the way to the bank.
One LAST thing, bdaman.
I’m done with addressing your staggering ignorance on this thread. It’s as productive as a fish singing about architecture. No. It’s beyond ignorance at this point.
You’re a moron in the science department. A half-assed understanding of mish-mashed terms is NOT a basic understanding of science and thank you for demonstrating that again and again.
Is that clear enough? Do you want a fresh study to show that fact? Is that data robust enough?
and one more thing Buddah the photos are from July 06 and 07. Ask them to show you 08 and 09. It’s kinda like looking at the obituary in the paper and you see a photo of an old friend you went to school with and say they look just like they did in high school and then you slap yourself and go that is the high school photo.
Slartibartfast I find the melting of glaciers worrying:… get with the program, they stpopped melting over a year ago. Had we not had erroneus reporting you would know this. Did you read the peer review study?
I’ve noticed that you blame the ‘global warming hoax’ on Al Gore: Have you not read how all this got started? where he got the theory in the first place?
I personally think that it is more likely that most of the people in politics (President Obama included) are doing what they honestly think is best for the country: Slart you got alot of growing up to do.
You seem to be buying into a lot of conspiracy theories – global warming deniers, birthers, and one link (on the birther thread) to a 9/11: For someone who say’s they have been busy, you sure have been busy reading the other threads.
and just how far North is North.
Buddah you have now confirmed you cant teach old dogs new tricks. Go lay down in the middle of the yard and stretch out on a sunny day. For this shall remind you of the dog days of summer.
Gary T,
Please don’t put words in my mouth. The only theories I mentioned were those of Ilya Prigogine and as he was a Nobel laureate chemist, I hardly think that his ideas are considered pseudo-science. I didn’t say that life violated the laws of thermodynamics, I said that it became more organized over time – my point was that like Newton’s laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics have areas where they are accurate descriptions of reality and places where they’re not so good. Additionally, did you ever think that my failure to respond to your post had nothing to do with you? I’ve been busy working and haven’t had time to reply to you. I probably wont post anything for the next couple of days – try not to think of me running away with my tail between my legs (or marching off with my hands raised in victory), rather think of me wandering off muttering to myself…
bdaman,
You just don’t get it – I’m not saying global warming theory is correct or incorrect (although personally I find the melting of glaciers worrying… nice catch on the link Buddha), I’m saying that injecting politics into the science is absolutely the worst thing that we could do. I believe that science tends to be strongly biased toward the truth and that if it isn’t pushed off-course along the way it will generally get it correct in the end. I’m not swearing that everything that Al Gore has ever said is the gospel truth or that we should stop all new research into the climate, just that we let the scientists give their best answer to the questions before we decide what to do about it. Models get better, hypotheses get refined – this doesn’t indicate that the first steps were wrong, it shows how we’re moving in the right direction.
I’ve noticed that you blame the ‘global warming hoax’ on Al Gore and the industrialists that have apparently engineered this hoax in order to gain money and power. This illustrates a characteristic that conspiracy theory wingnuts seem to share: Ascribing the people with whom they disagree motives and tactics that would make Machiavelli seem friendly by comparison. Joe Biden made a comment that I really liked a couple of weeks ago – when asked about Leon Panetta’s comment about Dick Cheney seeming like he wanted the US to get hit again to prove him right, Biden responded by saying that he had learned never to question another man’s motive. I suppose that it is possible that you attribute such base motives to other people because that is how you think, but I personally think that it is more likely that most of the people in politics (President Obama included) are doing what they honestly think is best for the country tempered with varying degrees of self-interest. You seem to be buying into a lot of conspiracy theories – global warming deniers, birthers, and one link (on the birther thread) to a 9/11 truther article and you wont give them up even when your logic is exposed as totally fraudulent as Vince Treacy has done on the birther thread. This seems more than a little unhealthy to me. Most of the time everyone isn’t really out to get you…
Buddha,
As a scientist, this thread doesn’t make me laugh or cry, it just makes me sad.
P.S. to bdaman: Today it was in the mid-seventies and sunny here, a few clouds – more picturesque than anything else. The water is a little on the cold side, but that’s to be expected this far north. This proves that the earth’s weather is becoming perfect!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration
You really shouldn’t use words you don’t understand. Like science. But especially math.
This blog isn’t provided to cure your scientific ignorance. You boys feel free wander lost in the woods all you like eating whatever pro-oil propaganda you stumble upon and regurgitating it like mockingbirds, but rest assured.
Your proof is overwhelming.
It’s just not proof that industry isn’t to blame for global warming.
If you’re proud of the “deep understanding” of this subject you deniers have displayed here?
Don’t be.
This thread has become spectacular display of why America has to import tech workers. Any scientist coming though here are either going to be laughing their asses off or crying for the future of their children and grandchildren. Probably both.
Bdaman and IS,
Yeah I noticed a dearth of the warmers here, they never did answer directly the several unambiguous points we three have raised and challenged them with, most notably the percentage of CO2 (and other GH gases) that mankind contributes to the total in the atmosphere.
I am struck by the hyposcrisy of the poster who asserted that when we are confronted with a point we could not answer, we change the subject.
Here, I see the warmers confronted with several points they could not answer, they not only changed the subject they totally evaporated.
Slarti most interestingly actually started espousing pseudo science in support of his view, such as the parapsychological position that Life has the ability to violate the laws of Thermodynamics and Entropy, and the proposition of the existance of the Alchemist’s goal of the universally impervious substance, similar to the universal solvant.
Really, after that impressive set of educational credentials he cited for himself, you would have thought he’d know better than that.