This is almost hypnotic. One of the leaders at a Tea Party event with the Citizens of Liberty holds forth on the science of global warming. [Note: there will be no academic credit awarded for this Internet learning exercise].
The site for this organization makes clear that this is about a world socialist agenda:
No, nothing will ever be enough for these extremists. Because it really isn’t about saving the planet in the first place. It’s about pushing a socialist agenda to cripple the capitalist nations of the west. It’s about wealth redistribution and socialist schemes under the guise of environmentalism.
While nothing will ever be enough to straighten out the socialists and other Koolaid drinkers, we have more than enough for the American people to force our government to stop treating us worse than foreign dictators and stop this cap and trade global warming tax nonsense in the Senate.
I had to add this to our library of hard-right science, here.
Florida State University recently published a report that worldwide tropical cyclone activity is at a 30 year low, which is or close to the all time low. Just don’t tell Al Gore who said in his movie will will have more and more hurricanes and they will be stronger because as the oceans warm it adds fuel to the fire.
http://www.citizenlink.org/Stoplight/A000009650.cfm
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IS: if people really knew by studying the ACTUAL FACTUAL data instead listenning to the AP and media they would be shocked at what they learn. I like the polar bear commercial where they are dying, running out of food and no place to get cold. If one was to look at the actual numbers of Polar Bears from 1950 they would be pretty convinced that the polar bears are doing just fine.
Yes, we do need to take care of the planet and clean it up. We need to plant as many trees as we can to suck up all that Co2. Except, don’t tell that to this administration.
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/blogs/obama-administration-green-lights-logging-in-tongass
bdaman:
come on, you know global warming is causing those low temperatures!
The Huffington Post says so.
Slart,
You’re probably better suited to explain the whole statistical outliers thing to Bdaman than I am, care to take a whack at it?
Jan 25 2009
RAS AL KHAIMAH // Snow covered the Jebel Jais area for only the second time in recorded history yesterday.
So rare was the event that one lifelong resident said the local dialect had no word for it.
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090125/NATIONAL/688880349/1010/enewsletter
This is an example of records being broken here and all over the world this last year we have been breaking records of 100 years or more since record keeping began.
RECORD EVENT REPORT…CORRECTEDNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI634 PM EDT SAT JUL 18 2009…RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE SET AT BOTH FLINT AND SAGINAWTODAY…THIS AFTERNOONS HIGH TEMPERATURE AT FLINT WAS ONLY 67 DEGREES. THISIS THE LOWEST HIGH TEMPERATURE EVER RECORDED IN FLINT FOR JULY18TH…WITH THE PREVIOUS RECORD BEING 68 DEGREES SET BACK IN 2000.IN SAGINAW…THE AFTERNOON HIGH WAS ALSO 67 DEGREES. THIS IS THELOWEST HIGH TEMPERATURE EVER RECORDED IN SAGINAW FOR JULY18TH…WITH THE PREVIOUS RECORD BEING 68 DEGREES SET ALL THE WAYBACK IN 1914.Northern MI – Lower Penninsula: (by up to 7 degrees F)RECORD EVENT REPORTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GAYLORD MI840 PM EDT SAT JUL 18 2009…RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURES SET ACROSS THE AREA…THE TEMPERATURE AT THE GAYLORD REGIONAL AIRPORT ONLY REACHED 57DEGREES ON SATURDAY…JULY 18…ESTABLISHING A NEW RECORD LOWMAXIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE. THE PREVIOUS RECORD WAS 63 DEGREESSET EXACTLY 100 YEARS AGO IN 1909. … RECORDS IN GAYLORD DATE BACK TO 1893.AT THE CADILLAC AIRPORT…THE HIGH TEMPERATURE ON SATURDAY ONLYREACHED 59 DEGREES. THIS READING ESTABLISHES A NEW RECORD LOWMAXIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE…SMASHING THE OLD RECORD OF 66DEGREES SET BACK IN 1924. … RECORDS IN CADILLAC DATE BACK TO 1909.AT THE PELLSTON AIRPORT…THE HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 59DEGREES ON SATURDAY ESTABLISHED A NEW RECORD LOW MAXIMUM FOR THEDATE…BREAKING THE OLD RECORD OF 61 DEGREES SET IN 2000. …RECORDS IN PELLSTON DATE BACK TO 1948.Houton Lake, MI: (by 6 degrees F)
RECORD EVENT REPORTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GAYLORD MI843 PM EDT SAT JUL 18 2009…NEW RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE AT HOUGHTON LAKE…THE TEMPERATURE AT THE HOUGHTON LAKE AIRPORT ONLY REACHED 59DEGREES ON SATURDAY…JULY 18…ESTABLISHING A NEW RECORD LOWMAXIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE. THE PREVIOUS RECORD WAS 65 DEGREESSET IN 2000. … RECORDS IN HOUGHTON LAKE DATE BACK TO 1913.Lansing, MI: right in the middle
RECORD EVENT REPORTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI628 PM EDT FRI JUL 17 2009…RECORD LOW MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE TIED AT LANSING MICHIGAN…THE HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 70 DEGREES TODAY TIES THE RECORD FOR COLDESTHIGH TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE WHICH WAS SET IN 1937.Grand Rapids, MI: western lower penninsula (by 4 degrees F)
RECORD EVENT REPORTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MI641 PM EDT FRI JUL 17 2009…RECORD COLD HIGH TEMPERATURE SET AT GRAND RAPIDS…THE HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 67 DEGREES TODAY AT GRAND RAPIDS SETS ARECORD FOR THE COLDEST HIGH TEMPERATURE ON RECORD FOR THE DATE. THERECORD WAS 71 DEGREES SET IN 1937.
About 81 percent of Greenland’s surface is covered by the Greenland ice sheet. The weight of the ice has depressed the central land area into a basin shape, whose base lies more than 300 metres (984 ft) below the surrounding ocean. Elevations rise suddenly and steeply near the coast.[40]
These Icelandic settlements vanished during the 14th and 15th centuries, likely due to famine and increasing conflicts with the Inuit.[11] The condition of human bones from this period indicates that the Norse population was malnourished, probably because of soil erosion resulting from the Norsemen’s destruction of natural vegetation to allow for farming, turf-cutting, and wood-cutting, because of a decline in temperatures during the Little Ice Age, and because of armed conflicts with the Inuit.[9] Jared Diamond suggests that cultural practices, such as rejecting fish as a source of food and relying solely on livestock ill-adapted to Greenland’s (degrading) climate resulted in recurring famine which led to abandonment of the colony.[9] However, isotope analysis of the bones of inhabitants shows that marine food sources supplied more and more of the diet of the Norse Greenlanders, making up between 50% and 80% of their diet by the 1300s.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland
bdaman:
I thought the Norsman named it to keep everyone away from Iceland or so the story goes. Although it could have been green and we are just being fed a bunch of BS by the envirocronyists.
Slartibarfast:
Why is there a hole in the ozone? Why have we allowed our garbage to be dumped into the ocean? Species die off and mutate, I think it is called natural selection and evolution.
Face it SB crony capitalists are behind all of this and you are just a tool they use to advance their agenda.
Take Archer Daniels Midland for example, they have gotten rid of all the small farmers how did they do that? I bet their lobbyists in DC wrote a bunch of environmental regulations that small farmers could not comply with. Face the truth, the environmental movement is a crony capitalist scheme to eliminate competition. Once they get rid of all of it they will pollute like maniacs and tell us they have to to keep us fed and clothed and housed.
Quit being a pawn. You seriously think the Sierra Club is buying all that land for set asides, look where they are buying it and what natural resources are under the land and on it. Oil, gas timber, minerals and it’s all tax deductible as a 501C3 corp. It’s a conspiracy all right, of crony capitalists in bed with government bureaucrats.
The only human being that was altruistic was Jesus and even he did not die for nothing.
Question why was Greenland called Greenland and what has become of it since it was named so.
S.B.,
Do not continue to misrepresent what I have written or have not written. You are a very smart person. You are misreprsenting my point of view. That is a dishonorable thing to do. Nothing that you have said about my position is accurate in either your first or second post. Next time, be accurate or do not write about my posts.
IS,
You’re right, correlation doesn’t equal causation.
I’m willing to bet that neither of us is an expert when it comes to climatology or the other sciences involved in this discussion. We don’t have enough time to get the extensive education needed to understand the theories involved and analyze the entirety of how they stack up to the best available evidence. However, people at the AAAS, AMS, The National Academies, etc. are. Those organizations all have issued statements saying that the theory of man made climate change is supported by the evidence.
It’s a matter of who you trust. I trust the way science works. I trust that while there may be some scientists doing bad research for whatever reason, there are many more that aren’t, and that the system favors the honest and those doing good solid research.
IS,
That mankind has had an impact on the environment is undeniable. There’s a hole in the ozone, an island of plastic the size of Texas in the middle of the Pacific, species mutating and dying off, rivers and lakes too polluted for anything to live in them… For you to say the environmentalists are all selfish rich people with devious ulterior motives is an insult to the majority of us who want to try to solve these and many other man-made environmental crises.
Gyges:
just because 2 things happen at the same time does not mean they are connected or that one is the cause of the other.
We have had increases in temperature before as in right before the little ice age. Which if my understanding is correct, lead to an increase in global population because of higher grain and other crop yields. When the little ice age came so did the Black Death.
No hydro-carbons back then except wood and peat. What say you?
Bdman,
Perhaps a better example would be the American Meteorological Society, which has “a membership of more than 14,000 professionals, professors, students, and weather enthusiasts. An official statement on their website starts with: “Human responsibility for most of the well-documented increase in global average temperatures over the last half century is well established. Further greenhouse gas emissions, particularly of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels, will almost certainly contribute to additional widespread climate changes that can be expected to cause major negative consequences for most nations1.”
The petition gives the number of meteorologists as 341, which would be 2% of the 14,000 members of the AMS. To expand it out further, it gives the number of scientists studying “atmosphere” in general as 578, or 4% of the membership of the AMS.
Slartibartfast:
Actual volume difference between frozen ice and water is about 8-9% so you are right it is not going to be a big deal, although with about 33,000,000 ckm of ice in Antarctica and Greenland its not a small amount either.
Seriously, I don’t think the major issue is melting ice caps as I doubt we will get hot enough to do that. What is at issue is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a policy that will not be effective just because some scientists said so. My team has a bunch of scientists that say global warming is not man-made and that cap and trade and other programs will do nothing and cost billions of dollars.
I have been watching the environmental movement since my college days when there was a protest at our campus to derail a Nuclear generating unit about 2 miles away. There was a panel both pro and con. In my view the cons were not presenting honest arguments and it was all about emotion and hysteria. I have seen nothing to suggest that the world wide environmental movement has changed tactics in 25 years.
In fact I saw a show last night where some Italian executive was getting a hard time about developing tar sands in the Congo. He was willing to be a good steward of the land and it would create jobs for people in the Congo but it was being thwarted by some environmental group in Germany.
It appears to me that most environmentalists are rich people who don’t want poor people making any money and want to keep their country trails and beaches pristine wilderness with no impact from the proletarian component of society. They push anti-growth agendas to maintain there status. Daddy made the money and they are too stupid to keep it so they try to stop competition through government restrictions, making it impossible for other companies to start up or compete (actually maybe not so stupid).
So in my view everyone supporting Global Warming is doing the bidding of the crony capitalists. They must be laughing all the way to the bank.
Jill,
I didn’t mean to imply that you were against cap and trade, just that you didn’t think that it would work (and you’ve made it very clear that you are for more being done, not less). I apologize if I’ve misrepresented your position. I agree with the intent of most, if not all, of your positions, I just think that often they aren’t feasible or realistic. I think that the best way to control industry (or anything really) is negative feedback – taxing the negative behavior of industry allows the cost to be explicitly accounted for and adjusted to achieve the desired results. As far as I’m concerned any program of this type is a step in the right direction and a good start. (I’d be willing to bribe the oil companies, too, if I thought that it would be effective, but I don’t – if you want to raise fuel economy, raise the gas tax – this achieves the objective and raises revenue (we need to pay down the debt somehow…))
BDaman,
From the AAAS website: “Founded in 1848, AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals.” From the “AAAS Board Statement on Climate Change” (Dec. 2006) “The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society.”
From your petition’s website “31,478 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs”
Rafflaw: the vast majority of scientists agree that it is man’s activities that are causing the global warming.
Really, http://www.petitionproject.org/