The controversy over President Barack Obama continues with an interesting twist: Maj. Gen. Carroll Dean Childers (ret.) and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff are supporting the litigation. On July 8th, Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed the suit July 8th in federal court demanding conscientious objector status and a preliminary injunction based upon his claim that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States. He argued that, since Obama cannot serve as president of the United States, he cannot order him to deploy as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
What is curious is the decision by the military to suddenly revoke the deployment orders of Cook. That served to fuel the growing movement spreading this rumor. The government is now claiming that the lawsuit is “moot” since Cook doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan. Cook in turn has added a claim to this lawsuit that he was retaliated against for his lawsuit after he was terminated at Simtech Inc., a Department of Defense contractor.
The addition of a retired major general and active colonel will have more of a promotional and legal benefit for these litigants. It was an unfortunate decision to revoke these orders. The Administration should have fought the lawsuit on the merits rather than try to moot the matter. The optics are perfect for those alleging a grand conspiracy to conceal Obama’s birth certificate (which has been viewed as third parties) and hide his alleged foreign born status.
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bdaman,
“Hawaii does require the “legally qualified” language as quoted above.”
So does every other state that I have found.
In the primary election the candidate himself/herself is required to sign a statement to that effect. However, in the general election, the candidates names are submitted by the Party.
I’d be interested in seeing what the RNC filed.
If the “legally qualified” language was in the prior certifications given to Hawaii by the DNC in 2000 and 2004 then this is a non-issue.
Here’s the answer
Section 11-113 states:
(1) In the case of candidates of political parties which have been qualified to place candidates on the primary and general election ballots, the appropriate official of those parties shall file a sworn application with the chief election officer not later than 4:30 p.m. on the sixtieth day prior to the general election, which shall include:
(A) The name and address of each of the two candidates;
(B) A statement that each candidate is legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution;
[Hawaii does require the “legally qualified” language as quoted above.]
Birther you hit the nail on the head and with each hit the nail sinks further into the coffin.
Byron,
That would be even more reason to have a “need to know” who affirmed his birth.
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What do the 2000 and 2004 filings in Hawaii for Gore and Kerry say?
Did Hawaii question his NBC status, and the DNC wanted to assure them that he met the qualifications?
SO many questions. So few answers.
Birther:
those files could have been lost. it was over 40 years ago before computers, they had carbon paper then.
Slart at this moment no one knows why the State of Hawaii was sent a different document than the other 49 states. Why the need for two different documents and Kerry and Gores cert has been verified that they do not contain the language legally eligible in the certification. The question is if there’s did not have it why the need for it in 2008 and only to Hawaii.
Who affirmed Obama’s Hawaiian birth?
Who affirmed Obama’s Hawaiian birth?
Who affirmed Obama’s Hawaiian birth?
Until you can produce that, you have no witness.
Are you tring to claim that Obama witnessed his own birth?
There is no record of Obama’s mother ever being a patient at either of the two hospitals that Obama or his sister claim to be his birthplace.
Sorry, typo in my last post. It should read: “…do you honestly think that they would FIND your arguments more compelling than his?”
Vince,
Now you’ve gone and done it – Orly will be trying to subpoena the Kryptonian birth certificate by the end of the week… Welcome back. I don’t know where you find the time to do all of this research, but thank you for doing it.
bdaman, BIRTHER, et al,
Please try to think about things before you post them – did it ever occur to you that Hawaii got a different DNC certification because it was the state that President Obama was born in? Did you check to see if John Kerry’s MA form was different or Al Gore’s TN form? If not, you have a thin piece of data on which you are hanging an awful lot of supposition, if so, you have nothing. If you look back at this thread (you know, in your week or two of spare time ;-)) you will find that in general Vince’s posts have been better argued, better supported, and showed a better understanding of the law than the posts he was refuting. It has been said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Well, you guys have been making extraordinary claims (That the presidency of the USA has been usurped) with (at best) weak evidence. Vince on the other had, has frequently backed up ordinary claims with an abundance of proof. If someone with a truly open mind were to read this thread, do you honestly think that they would your arguments more compelling than his?
Wrong Vince,
There is a Kenyan birth certificate, because that’s where Obama was born.
Dr. Ang’awa affirmed his Kenyan birth.
Who affirmed his Hawaiian birth? I’m waiting.
I’ve got a witness (maybe even multiples) saying that they attended the birth in Kenya, and I have two “signed” documents reporting such.
What do you have? Who was it signed by?
Who are you relying on? Factcheck? They have already been debunked. They, like Vince, don’t know the difference between a “certification” and a “certificate”.
While it is true that, via normal channels, a certification of birth is the only document made available. However, that doesn’t mean that a certified copy of the vault document could not be produced.
Let me repeat that: A certified copy of the vault document can be obtained. It is only Barack Obama who is preventing that from happening.
Correcting typo:
PS, Berg’s “subpoena” will go nowhere, because there is nothing to subpoena, since there is no Obama birth certificate in Mombasa, because he was not born there, or anywhere else in Africa, but was born in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, United States of America.
http://www.nctc.gov/docs/pl108_458.pdf
We have been through this all before. The only form Hawaii issues is the Certification of Live Birth COLB. If it is not good enough for a security clearance for Obama, then NOBODY from Hawaii can ever get a security clearance. That is an extraordinary claim by birther, with no support. Does it seriously mean that anyone born in Hawaii who presents a COLB will be denied a security clearance?
Perhaps it means the investigator must go to the bureau of vital statistics to verify birth.
Well, anyone investigating Obama for a security clearance would have had to go to the state bureau in Hawaii. But those officials have already certified that the records show Obama was born in Hawaii.
Maybe it means that no mere certificate is valid for a security clearance, from any state, but that proves too much.
In any event, birther is wrong about the scope of the act. The act is not limited to travel documents. Page 190 of the pdf says that no Federal agency can accept a birth certificate unless it conforms to the new standards set up by the law. “No Federal agency.” So the law applies to all agencies, as the reader can verify.
A Hawaii COLB is valid in all 50 states under the full faith and credit clause of the constitution.
PS, Berg’s “subpoena” will go nowhere, because there is nothing to subpoena, since there is no Obama birth certificate in Mombasa, because he was not born there, or anywhere else in Hawaii, but was born in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, United States of America.
Maybe Obama’s father wanted him born in Kenya. Maybe his father wanted him born on Krypton and sent to earth to save all mankind. All kinds of speculation are possible.
this is a very large file. It took over five minutes to load. The site is getting alot of traffic. Well worth the wait.
http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/SUBPOENA-IN-A-CIVIL-CASE-served-on-Consulate-General-of-Kenya-in-Los-Angeles-(Obama-eligibility).aspx
Greetings Honorable Consul General:
My office legally represents the United States (Federal Government) at the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in Philadelphia, in the case of Berg v. Obama et al., Appeal No. 08-4443:
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/third.circuit/
http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/third.circuit/nad02.htm
Please be advised that newly found evidence renders it appropriate formally to serve your good offices with a SUBPOENA IN A CIVIL CASE, duly issued by the District Court of the United States for the Central District of California.
The purpose of this SUBPOENA will be to command your good offices to produce and permit inspection and copying of an authentic original of the attached CERTIFIED COPY OF REGISTRATION OF BIRTH of Barack Hussein Obama II on August 4, 1961 A.D., at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Republic of Kenya.
Please be aware that there is a separate District Court proceeding presently underway in the United States District Court for the Central District of California which also seeks to compel authentication of said REGISTRATION OF BIRTH: Keyes et al. v. Obama et al., case number 8:09-cv-82 (USDC, Los Angeles, California, USA).
It appears that Berg has jumped backed in.
On September 9, 2009, a subpoena was issued by the District Court of the United States, 3rd Circuit, and has been served via registered mail (#RE184168898US) on the Consulate General of Kenya in Los Angeles.
The subpoena commands him to produce and permit the inspection and copying of the Certificate of Birth of Barack Hussein Obama II.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/KenyaSubpoena.jpg
Question? how does the court issue a subpoena for a document that supposedly does not exist.
Would Hawaiian Law, in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, permit Obama’s grandmother to affirm his birth in Hawaii?
The answer is yes.
If she did, would Hawaii have a birth certificate for Barack Obama?
The answer is yes.
How can this be answered?
Look at who affirmed his birth.
The answer is simple. The avoidance is incredible.
Hawaii can have a birth certificate on in the vault. It can even say that he was born in Hawaii. What would make us question that?
Answer: common sense. Would it be unreasonalbe for Obama Sr. to take his new bride to meet the family in Kenya during the summer break? Of course. As a proud Kenyan, would he maybe want his child to be born on his homeland? Sure.
The finger pointing has begun
Reverse Analysis: Why Did Hawaii Get A Different DNC Certification Than Other States?
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/reverse-analysis-why-did-hawaii-get-a-different-dnc-certification-than-other-states/
Vince,
You are CANNOT obtain a security clearance with only a COLB.
When applying for a security clearance, a thourough background check is completed.
You’re relying on Section 7211, which has to do with “Terrorist Travel and Effective Screening”. That’s all it has to do with.
Look at page 6 of the INTELLIGENCE REFORM AND TERRORISM
PREVENTION ACT OF 2004.
http://www.nctc.gov/docs/pl108_458.pdf