Hiram Monserrate attracted statewide attention in New York as one of the Democrats who defended “traditional marriage” and “family values” in recently voting down a bill that would have made same-sex marriage legal the state. His concept of family values was questioned after he was sentenced for assaulting his girlfriend Karla Giraldo. Monserrate slashed Giraldo’s face and dragged her through the lobby of his Queens apartment building. Good old family values from the Paleolithic Period.
Monserrate, an ex-Marine, was reportedly upset after he found another man’s business card in her purse. The glass broke against her face, cutting her near her left eye down to her skull and left a lasting scar.
He was originally charged with two felony counts and two misdemeanor counts of assault but acquitted him on the two felony assault charges. The evidence included a security video camera that showed Monserrate dragging Ms. Giraldo through the lobby of his apartment building and medical statements showing extensive bruises on her body.
He convicted on a single count of misdemeanor assault, which could carry a maximum of one year behind bars. But, as a first time offender, Queens Supreme Court Justice William Erlbaum gave Monserrate three years’ probation, 250 hours of community service and counseling
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BIL and the others on this thread:
I have to ask that we drop the personal stuff. There is simply no reason to personalize these comments. What makes this site unique is the civility that we maintain. I cannot follow all of the threads when I am busy raising pod people with Elaine (the soil maintenance alone is incredible). I just now saw that this got way out of line sometime back. Let’s end the thread and drop the personal stuff (unless it is about competing blogs of course).
Which brings up a point Byron. You’ve been bad about false attributions lately. Just now (above) and specifics instances come to mind where you have accused me of being anti-free market (when the reality of all my comments shows that I’m anti-fascist which goes hand in hand with realizing socialism is the only mature economic system – I’m for LIMITED free markets).
You should really stop doing the false attribution thing. It’s a bad habit. If you are unclear why that’s a bad habit? I can’t help you other than to point out what happens to people with a lack of evidence or poor logic here.
BIL,
I think you have your returning trolls filed wrong Buddha. Check under W, not J.
Now Buddha Is Laughing turns the attack to me? Are you the town bully or just the “wanna be”? I only see one one person spewing hatred, bud. I only see one person trying to intimidate others into their way of thinking.
Bdaman, you are officially no longer worth my time or effort. Have a nice life on whatever planet it is you live on.
Byron
My and BIL’s comments were not condoning the action, but are repelled by your tortured logic (more specifically displaying a complete lack thereof) to condemn a public official who, by your own admission had nothing to do with the action. Don’t even try to put words in my mouth (post) that weren’t there and weren’t intended.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
From the article:
“Child molestation and child sexual abuse refer to actions, and don’t imply a particular psychological makeup or motive on the part of the perpetrator. Not all incidents of child sexual abuse are perpetrated by pedophiles or hebephiles; in some cases, the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children.
Thus, not all child sexual abuse is perpetrated by pedophiles (or hebephiles) and not all pedophiles and hebephiles actually commit abuse. Consequently, it is important to use terminology carefully.
Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men is often referred to as “homosexual molestation.” The adjective “homosexual” (or “heterosexual” when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim’s gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator’s sexual orientation.
To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men’s sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men’s abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don’t implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator’s sexual orientation.
Typologies of Offenders
The distinction between a victim’s gender and a perpetrator’s sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don’t really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.”
So unless any of you homophobes are better qualified experts on the matter than a UC Davis Psychology Professor, you’re on losing footing already.
I can bring the heat to you too, Galub, if you want to be on the side of bigotry and hatred.
You’re free to be as wrong as you like. Just like I’m free to excoriate you for it. How badly do you want to get burned is the question you should ask yourself. Jim.
Am I missing something here? Is the “FREE THINKER” telling the others how to think? Do I detect a bit of “We have ways to make you agree with us”?
Does that really work?
Hey Flipkid is this short for PellaPino
I’m just throwin right back in his face, which by the way is another good book promoted by Mr. Jennings called IN YOUR FACE.
Wonder what that one’s all about.
Ma-ba-hu-ca, Pu-tang-ena. Esa dalawah tak-lo en ty ty moi calbo apat lemah ahneem la lagi sa aping.
Bdadisgusting,
If you want bite, you can get some more. I have a proven ability to escalate and terminate. Byron knows what I am capable of. It’s part of how he came over from the darkside originally. I’m more than willing to pile abuse on anyone espousing the hateful bullshit you peddle. I’m better at it than either of you. That’s not boasting. That’s a demonstrated fact. If Byron whats to join the homophobe crowd, he can take a beating too. But see, unlike you, Byron might be able to work his way out the trap of small minded bigotry. He’s demonstrated he can come to correct conclusions (even if you have to whack him with the facts to get him to pay attention sometimes). Byron is a decent guy who is sometimes wrong but not unintelligent. You, on the other hand, are a vile ignorant racist homophobic bigot and you revel in it. He’s salvageable. You? Not so much.
Declare war on me. See how it works out for you. It’ll have one of three outcomes.
1) You’ll convert your insanity into rationality (not going to happen since you wallow in your inadequacy)
2) You’ll loose. (Anyone seen the last two people to declare open war on me lately? It’s because they are gone. Some voluntarily, some not so much.)
3) You’ll continue to look like a liar, a bigot and a hateful little propaganda troll. I will aid you in this by pointing arrows at your uncredible nature – a tactic which marginalizes you now and will continue to do so.
Really, it’s not a bother. I find it amusing.
And let’s talk support, shall we? You go get your buddy Jim and you recruit Byron. That’s 3 untrained personnel – two with losing track records and one with a mixed record. I’ve got more trained persons with winning record of winning arguments here than that backing my position and I’m not even including Mike S. who is an untrained but a naturally gifted debater and debunker. I have a lot more people posting here to catch my back than you do, bdalonegunman. You aren’t just outgunned. You’re outnumbered. You’re also out scienced.
If you want war, troll, you should have learned by now that the Free Thinkers rule this roost. If not? Let the beatings begin. But if you expect your small minded hatred to go unchallenged, you are in the wrong place.
“Hey Look what I found, a book on the GLSEN website, it’s called
Buddha Boy. I wonder if it’s a true story about someone who go’s by Buddah, Nah it couldn’t be, could it.”
Hmm, so if someone has an opinion you disagree with, your idea of an enlightened response is to call then a “fag”? Wow, you do have some deep-seated issues there, Bdaputz. Plus your grammar and punctuation are deplorable.
Byron don’t try and justify your thoughts, your a bigot.
Buddha:
I need to rethink what? My post is very clear that I think sex with children is wrong.
And you are right those guys I know could be women or they could be guys messed up by having sex with women when they were 10 or 12 years old. I merely used priest because they were alter boys and they had sex with a priest and they are now messed up. Could they be messed up for another reason, certainly.
I probably know some women as well that are messed up adults because they had sex with adult males when they were that age. But I don’t know for a fact.
” I hope all of your children turn out homosexual. Just to piss you off.”
That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on this blawg.
I have deleted the comments about AIDS and gays. Please refrain from the gay-baiting language on this site. A lot went wrong in this thread, but I appreciate everyone moving on. We have enough to tackle in the world around us.
Byron, I warned you.
Buddah’s bark is worst then his bite. He resorts to name calling and professor Turley condones it by allowing him to spew his hatred. Now that he doesn’t agree with your views, your a bigot. Now he throws you on my side of the fence. It’s really what he’s all about, hatred.
Im not homophobic, I’m trysexual, I’ll try anything. I reserve that right to try anything I want because I have reached an appropriate age.
This issue has nothing to do with gayness or straightness. The point proven here is that the GLSEN reading list promotes the sexualization of children in general, regardless of the “orientation.”
And this is not about censorship: It’s about deciding what constitutes appropriate reading material for children. I’m perfectly OK with these books existing and being read by adults. All sorts of books are excluded from school reading lists, for all sorts of reasons. Even many books once considered classics are now considered off-limits due to language or attitudes now deemed inappropriate. And yet, according to Kevin Jennings and GLSEN, books about a 13-year-old getting “my cock sucked and my ass fucked” or about a teenager enjoying the “exquisite bitter taste” of his friend’s semen are not just acceptable, they’re highly recommended. As GLSEN’s own site says, “All BookLink items are reviewed by GLSEN staff for quality and appropriateness of content.” Really? (Note: GLSEN does advise adults to “review content for suitability.”)
If any of you agree with Kevin Jennings and have children, Please let me talk to them and ask’em if they would like to try anything Kevin Jennings promotes as I said I’m trysexual.
Byron,
Not convicted of a crime is not convicted of a crime.
And you are making some the very same bigoted conclusion as bdamoron. HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT PEDOPHILIA. No matter what your wishful thinking. Those guys you know? They could just as easily be screwed up women. Sex is inappropriate with children no matter the orientation but orientation has NOTHING to do with pedophilia. The only valid data regard predisposition for this kind of behavior is that MEN are more likely to commit this crime than women. Being that men are naturally more aggressive and this is primarily a crime about control and sex secondarily, this should not be a surprise. Pedophilia – a sex crime which along with voyeurism and exhibitionism is the most common cause for arrest vis a vis sex crimes. No data points to homosexuals being any more susceptible to this behavior than heterosexuals. In short, you’re lying. To yourself if no one else. And you’re doing so in a bigoted way. Bigotry is repression. Where’s that value of individual liberty now? Hm? Seems to have gone missing on you Byron.
On this topic, yeah, you’re not only returning to trollishness, you’re showing you are a bigot too (albeit not as blatant as bdaclosetcase). Careful you lay down with, Byron. You’ll get fleas.
You need to rethink this. Heavily.
I agree with bdaman and Byron. Kevin Jennings is not the right man to be School Safety Czar.
I’ve got a question for Professor Turley;
Why bring up the fact that this guy is an ex-marine? Does it really have anything to do with the story?
About a month ago you ran a story about a marine reservist that beat up a religious man.
Are you insinuating PTSD? Are you wanting to defame the Marine Corp?
rcampbell:
I bet if you found out a child or grandchild of yours at the age of 15 was having sex with an adult, you would be singing a different tune.