We previously saw a Fox News pie chart that had a couple extra slices (here). Now, fair and balanced math adds up to 120 percent of voters indicating that they view the science on global warming to be rigged.
This is an interesting Rasmussen poll when you add up the number and discover that you are in a parallel universe.
The question is: “In order to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming, how likely is it that some scientists have falsified research data?” According to the poll, 35 percent thought it very likely, 24 percent somewhat likely, 21 percent not very likely, and 5 percent not likely at all (15 percent weren’t sure).
This rather dubious poll is offered to show that people are dubious about the science and math of global warming experts.
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Byron,
“I think we need to have objective scientists flesh this out before we do anything. ”
Who exactly do you want to flesh it out? Seriously, if you think that the vast majority of climate scientists on earth aren’t object, where are you going to find objective scientists that understand the material well enough to “flesh it out.”
Furthermore, what proof do you have that all the scientists you’re dismissing AREN’T objective? That’s a pretty serious claim to level.
Man, I go to meetings all morning and look what I miss… 🙁
Byron,
You said:
‘All the mandates from government haven’t changed the number of highway deaths since 1960:
“Preliminary figures released by the government today show that 37,313 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes last year (2008). That’s 9.1 percent lower than the year before, when 41,059 died, and the fewest since 1961, when there were 36,285 deaths.”’
And do you think that the number of cars and miles driven has increased or decreased? I’m a mathematician, I can spot lying with statistics a mile off – to make a meaningful comparison you need to look at something like deaths per mile driven or deaths per car.
Bdaman,
I have a question for you. Since you seem to be so familiar with the ‘climategate’ (incidentally, I absolutely despise the practice of appending the suffix ‘-gate’ to scandals) emails maybe you can tell me where to find the proof of the massive global warming conspiracy you’ve been incessantly telling us about. Where’s the email from George Soros telling these guys that they’d better ‘hide the decline’ or they wont get their payoff next month? Where’s the email from Al Gore telling them to get those climate change deniers papers suppressed or he’ll send his environmental commandos after them and their families? In fact, where are all of the papers that were supposedly suppressed? (I’ll give you this one: they were published – the most effective form of suppression, hidden in plain sight.)
Just a little more proof that you don’t care about getting to the truth, you just care about what you can distort to support your misguided agenda. Did you buy an on-line course in sleazy propaganda from Karl Rove? Or is this just the result of watching too much Fox News? You know you can prove anything if 1 = 0… or if you get poll responses from 120% of the people.
Listen to Joe Bastardi about Europes up coming week
http://www.accuweather.com/video-on-demand.asp?video=55253314001&channel=VBLOG_BASTARDI&title=Dec.%2015-25:%20You're%20Freezing%20if%20You're%20in%20Europe
Elaine:
what if warming is actually happening through mans activities but the earth is going into a new ice age which it appears to do every so many thousands of years.
What if we stopped global warming caused by man and that would have helped reduce the severity of an ice age or even stop it?
So if we stop man made global warming we may be contributing to an ice age. We could have prevented it if we put out more green house gas.
I think we need to not bury our heads in the sand about a future ice age.
I think we need to have objective scientists flesh this out before we do anything. We may cause an ice age if we reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases.
We have wasted close to 30 years worrying about global warming when we should have been worried about global cooling.
Do you see why I think this is all a bunch of BS?
I don’t know why people are pushing global warming as hard as they are, I don’t think there has been enough objective criticism of the claims. Whatever happens is not going to happen in 5, 10 even 20 years. The ice caps are not going to melt in that span of time. The glaciers did not recede in 20 years once the ice age ended. They have been receding every year since the end of the last ice age.
I don’t think 3-5 years of additional study and review of existing data is unreasonable. Humans have a very short time reference. Things happen to earth systems over thousands of years, sometimes millions.
Just got an E-mail from a buddy of mine with NOAA out of North Carolina
Take a look at what is forecast for Europe next weekend, a full on Siberian blast 70’s style!
Can’t wait for the poor summit pictures, all down to Global Warming of course! Copenhagen is under the -15C!
Brilliant, you would have thought that they would have scheduled this for a summer conference at least.
Seriously, there is some major winter weather about the hit Europe, all down to a huge mid-latitude blocking High near Greenland, and these are very difficult to shift if the cold pool becomes established.
http://www.wzkarten.de/pics/Rtavn2402.png
Byron,
Now that’s not to say that our beer industry couldn’t use some retooling when it comes to being more friendly to mother nature, just that the beer making process is relatively neutral.
Correction Sixth Grader
The Urban Heat Island effect on temperature records is real, despite what some people wish you to believe. Peter, a sixth grader, and his dad, thought so too, and take the data from NASA GISS and show you in a simple video. Urbanization, land use, and station siting matter. Are you smarter than a fifth grader.
Byron–
I’d agree that not everything in climate science is settled. I would argue, however, that there are good indicators that show that humans have had an impact on the warming of the planet. I’m not saying that humans are the only cause of warming.
I think we’d be like ostriches with our heads buried in the sand if we just keep saying that humans are likely not responsible for having contributed to the warming–and close our minds to the idea that there are things we may be able to do to help the situation. What if the deniers are wrong–and we wait too long to address the problem? I believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
And seeing as I live very close to the coast, I may be more concerned about rising sea levels than those who live inland.
Gyges:
thank god, you have saved beer through science and logic, I knew if anyone could save beer it would be you! 🙂
Elaine:
I agree the science isnt yet settled.
Byron,
It’s probably a pretty safe assumption that any CO2 produced by the yeast would be produced as part of the carbon cycle anyways, or maybe that any CO2 produced by the yeast is offset by the CO2 consumed by growing barley and hops in the first place.
There’s a difference between using single cell organisms to produce CO2 by consuming plant material, which is essentially just harnessing a process that would have happened anyway, and creating CO2 by adding processes that wouldn’t have existed in nature. That’s the problem, not that we’re part of the Carbon cycle, but that we’re augmenting the production end while reducing the consumption end. You don’t flood a valley by taking water out from upstream and then dumping it out in the river bed, you flood a valley by damning up one end of the river, adding extra water to the river, or both.
Here’s one a very liberal friend of mine would like to see.
He wants to ban Christmas, Why? because people who celebrate Christmas chop down trees and burn electric with all their lights they display.
I can tell you this, with the new EPA finding that CO2 which makes up less than 5% of all green house gases is a dangerous.
I’m gonna file a charge of attempted murder on the next person that breathes on me.
Byron–
“You cannot say with any degree of certainty that human acitivity is the cause. There may be some small component but the earth cools and heats up with or without man.”
I’d have to turn the tables and argue that you cannot say with any degree of certainty that human activity isn’t one of the major causes–maybe even the major cause–of global warming.
Bob Esq:
You cannot say with any degree of certainty that human acitivity is the cause. There may be some small component but the earth cools and heats up with or without man.
If you took all of the people in the world and set them down in Texas each person would have about 1,200 sq. ft. of land to call his own.
I think I read somewhere once that insects and bacteria give off more CO2 than man and his industries. I just brewed some beer and the amount of CO2 given of by some yeast was tremendous.
Note to Gyges – Ban all beer brewing because of CO2 production.
and you can’t account for the exact number of drivers between the years. Some more, some less
OSHA, at least in the construction industry did not do much for lost time accidents and deaths. those started dropping when companies got rebates on their insurance premiums for being safe.
I don’t argue that seat belts are a good thing, I don’t wear them as a general rule and when I used to work for a construction company I made sure my workers were safe not because of OSHA but because I wanted a safe working environment for the men/women.
When I design excavation support today, I don’t use OSHA guide lines for earth support, they are not safe enough. I use my own judgement and how I would feel if I were working in a trench (which I have done).
All the mandates from government haven’t changed the number of highway deaths since 1960:
“Preliminary figures released by the government today show that 37,313 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes last year (2008). That’s 9.1 percent lower than the year before, when 41,059 died, and the fewest since 1961, when there were 36,285 deaths.”
Although the article does say that increased use of seat belts and fewer miles traveled may have something to do with the reduced death toll.
Not much of a decline in actual deaths even with all that government intervention/regulation.
The Global warming theory asserts that human activity causes dangerous increases in temperatures, despite studies showing the the Earth has been in a cooling pattern since 1998. Liberal scientists have insisted that man-made pollution has caused dangerous warming, but all of their computer models failed to predict cooling that the Earth is experiencing. [1] By pushing their liberal bias, they are misinforming citizens. In November 2009, emails were publicly released that demonstrated wrongful manipulation and concealment of data by scientists who have insisted that there is dangerous man-made global warming.
The myth of dangerous man-made global warming is promoted by liberals and socialists seeking greater government control over the production and use of energy, which is a substantial percentage of the economy. Numerous scientists, especially those outside of university faculties, have been critical of this myth, but liberals have censored dissent and pretended that there is a “scientific consensus” supporting their theory for greater government control. On most college campuses criticism of man-made global warming is silenced or censored, and even scientists skeptical of it are afraid to speak out.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming
Here’s the list and those are the title to the posts.
• The Gore Effect: Politico, November 2008
• First October snow since 1922 blankets London as global warming bill debated: Register, October 2008
• Global Warming Vote on Snowy Day in Washington – Senate committee debates expensive climate change bill as snow blankets D.C.: Business and Media, December 2007
• HOUSE HEARING ON ‘WARMING OF THE PLANET’ CANCELED AFTER SNOW/ICE STORM: Drudge Report, February 2007
• NOT AGAIN! DC ‘Snow Advisory’ Issued on Day of Congressional Global Warming Hearing: Times, March 2007
• Gore decries ‘global warming’ in bitterly cold NYC: WND, December 2006
• Gore delivers environmental message at Harvard …with near 125-year record breaking low temps: MOTLS, October 2008
• Global warming activists urged to focus on Earth Day rallies and ignore snow as it ‘piles up outside our windows’: Alarmism, April 17, 2007
• No Joke! Cyclists ‘braved freezing cold temps’ to promote global warming awareness in New York: WKTV, October 22, 2008
• Global warming protest in Maryland frosted with snow: Baltimore Sun, January 2008
• Global warming rally in the snow: Alarmism, April 2007
• Snow won’t dampen global-warming rallies: Live Daily, April 2007
• Brrrr – Obama to global warming demonstrators: ‘This is probably not the weather to hold up those signs…it’s a little chilly today’, Space Daily, October 28, 2008
• Global Warming Awareness Walk Braves Snow Storm: Nashua Telegraph, March 2007
• The Gore Effect, Cont. – Gore speaks in Italy during ‘rare’ cold and snow: Planet Gore
• Climate protest canceled ‘due to rain and cold’: Telegraph (Australia), Nov. 23, 2008