Rev. Pat Robertson often attributes horrific events to God’s wrath as when he explained that the 9-11 attacks and the Katrina disaster were punishments for our sins. Now, Robertson has proclaimed that the earthquake in Haiti was sent by God to punish Haitians for a “pact with the Devil” made to overthrow the French.
Robertson favors that Old Testament God filled with anger and wrathful impulses. On this occasion, in Robertson’s mind, God wanted to kill over 100,000 people because of something that some of their ancestors allegedly did. Makes perfect sense. Here is what the good Reverend said “happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it”:
You know, Christie, something happened a long time ago in Haiti. And the people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon the third or whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They said, ‘We will serve you if you get us free from the French. True story. And so, the Devil said, Ok, it’s a deal. And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another — desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It’s cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti on the other is the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have, and we need to pray for them, a great turning to God, that out of this tragedy, I’m optimistic something good may come, but right now we’re helping the suffering people — and the suffering is unimaginable.
He may be taking Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s reference to “Biblical damage” a bit too literally. However, President Obama seem to be offering a rebuttal by promising the Haitians that they “will not be forsaken.”
Native Haitians defeated French colonists in 1804 and declared independence. If only they had stayed virtual slaves under French rule, God would have been pleased and they would have been earthquake free.
This is line in with Robertson’s prior explanations of God’s wrath in terms of killing people in New Orleans and New York as God’s way of “vomiting” us out:
My only question is why we want to spend eternity with God if he is this horrible being filled with rage and wrath who speaks to guys like Pat Robertson? Isn’t God supposed to be better than us? Even my four-year-old does not hope that her classmates are wiped out in earthquakes when she is mad at them. If this were true, God would be in serious need for intense therapy over his anger issues and violent disposition. It is a bit hard to imagine Jesus saying “serve’s em right, Pop, for that stuff that their ancestors did over two hundred years ago.”
By the way, I missed that history lesson about how all of the Haitians swore a pact with the Devil. There are sacrificial and voodoo practices certainly on that island, but I was unaware that the whole revolution was one big Satanic movement.
There is no such “true story” about a nationwide pact with the devil. There were various revolutions by people like Padrejean in 1676 and François Mackandal in 1757. Robertson seems to be referring to Dutty Boukman who helped led the uprising in August 1791. He was a houngan, or Haitian priest, who held a traditional ceremony in which a pig (symbolizing the power of nature) was sacrificed and an oath administered to the fighters to be fearless in battle. However, accounts of his words notably omit Robertson’s alleged pact:
h! Eh! Bomba! Heu! Heu!
Canga, bafio té!
Canga, mouné de lé!
Canga, do ki la!
Canga, do ki la!
Canga, li!We swear to destroy the whites
and all they possess.
Let us die rather than fail
to keep this vow.
Indeed accounts have him referring to God not Satan for some old-fashioned wrathful justice (which would seem to appeal to Robertson:
“The god who created the sun which gives us light, who rouses the waves and rules the storm, though hidden in the clouds, he watches us. He sees all that the white man does. The god of the white man inspires him with crime, but our god calls upon us to do good works. Our god who is good to us orders us to revenge our wrongs. He will direct our arms and aid us. Throw away the symbol of the god of the whites who has so often caused us to weep, and listen to the voice of liberty, which speaks in the hearts of us all.”
For more on this oath, click here.
Of course, even if there was a pact with the Devil, God can really keep a grudge. Over two hundred years later, he kills over one hundred thousand people to teach their long-dead ancestors a lesson. I find that hard to believe, though I am warming to the idea of God sending Pat Robertson to punish us for our sins.
Why yes, Bdaman, I too like George the 2nd was a Cheerleader. and boy did he take one for the team. Or was that give one to the team.
You know, Scooter Libby will never get his law license back. Why? Because he was convicted of four of the five counts in the indictment: one count of obstruction of justice; two counts of perjury; and one count of making false statements to federal investigators. You buddy with all of his mite tried to get his buddy Valdemar Cheney to Pardon his fall guy. The best George would do for his was commute his sentence. Not a Pardon. So you buddy George and Valdemar Cheney must have really had some hard feelings. I understand it on good authority that George was tired of taking it laying down and finally put the screws to Cheney.
If you understand they family dynamics Cheney was owed big time by Daddy Bush for his role in the Iran Contra Affair. He paid him back by making him the Veep. Little did he know that he would also cost the moron son all credibility with honest folks.
George has only been tolerated by folks because of daddy’s connections. He loused up 2 oil companies and the 3rd one sold before he could screw that one up as well. The fool that bought it for over a million dollars eventually lost all of his investment. I understand it was tied to enron.
So Bdaman, are you ready for the country?
Ah,
But Tootie went to Law School and when she dies, she go the only way an attorney can be buried and thats to be screwed in the ground, nice and tight.
BIL – why thank you, darlin!
AY – you are a cheeky devil
Tootie – You sure have gone off the deep end since The Facts of Life ended. If Mrs Garrett was dead, she’d be spinning in her grave.
Mr. Robertson’s statement should come as no surprise to those of us who are familiar with his history of racism, anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism. At its core, his position is that God is punishing the Haitian people for having the temerity to rebel against their slavery. It should be remembered that he comes from a family of staunch segregationists who despised Martin Luther King and believed the decision in Brown v. Board of Education to be the evil work of radical “activist” judges. During the hard days of the civil rights movement in the ’60s, while many people of good will, both black and white, were fighting and dying, Mr. Robertson, along with other white Southern Baptist pastors like Jerry Falwell, stayed on the sidelines, continuing to preach to their segregated congregations and praying for a return to the “good old days” of white supremacy and a docile black population. Those are his beliefs and bigotry and hatred will be his only legacy.
Only a charlatan blinded by greed and a propensity to corrupt would risk going to fundi hell for self-enrichment. What a sickening corporate whore. From one of many articles regarding Rev. Charlatan’s behavior:
http://www.skeptictank.org/robem2.htm
Let’s hope that fake, godly smile is wiped from his face before he kicks. I’d like nothing less than to send along a tool kit, minus the lube, of course.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/repub_tool_kit.html
Robertson is a senile bigot with nary a shred of Christian love within him. What staggers my imagination is the number of otherwise sane people who subscribe to his drivel.
I haven seen the interview yet; but did I see that he said; they should have stayed slaves? Its for that exact reason Jesus said; the Queen of the South would rise up in the day of judgement and condemn men for the idle words they say.
I am to death of white male racist, sexist, subversive and oppressive hypocritical pimps in a pulpit and politicians who also made a pack with Satan. Thats why I like Tom Jefferson tremble in FEAR of GOD for our nation. America is filled to the brim with all kinds of strange bedfellows and harlots constantly getting caught in bed with lobbiest or members of in their own
“FAMILY”!
Personally, I think the “Sins of the fathers now revisits the Sons” of Guns who ran away from home and came to lands not their own. They came “In the name of GOD, Amen”, Raped, robbed, stole and For-Got failed to Affirm the 1st AMEN-dment, Oaths or Promise made to GOD and US. History shows after they were given All Power to make Laws and Wars, they Declared Independence and chose to “Make No Law Respecting an establishment of Religion” i.e., the Laws of Nature and Nature’s GOD even with their hands on a KJ version of the Holy Bible. Although our US Supreme Court allowed use of this book as an “Instrument of Law” to Affirm testimony and presidential Oaths, they removed it from public schools and views. Now We The People are forced to pledge our allegiance to A Flag of a Republican, Pray to Judges in Petition to Court and tell the Whole Truth when they cant even be tested on their Religion.
The coins in our hands show how All turned their back on the Wills of forefathers i.e, Abraham, Lincoln, Melchisadac and Red Cloud, except the Native American Indian Woman. The Name of the GOD We are told to Trust is used in Vain and Denied US. Our Most Valuable Resource was Infected with AIDs, Corrupted by Any Ways or Means to Statutorily Rape & Severely Retard DAR’s, Daughters of Government or GOD who are treated like DOGS. Or as DC’s Mayor Barry said via public air waves “a Bitch who set him up”.
Men like Pat Robinson wont ever change and are still waiting for a Fat Lady to sing, cause they vowed never to give the Queen of Soul Aretha Franklin, Queen of the South or our First Lady A Decent Respect Cause they All Black.
Me Thinks the 1st thing they need to do ie Remove the Blindfold from Lady Justice and make it Known neither SHE or Lady Liberty is Deaf, Dumb, Blind or A Blond. Then Lady Justice can identify the Masonic brothers who Blindfolded Her & Use that Double Edge Sword that She and Lady of the Lake holds aka the Word of GOD, to Cut then Men back to the Bone; where She Came from.
Then I as the real Satan, Risen, Reborn, In the Flesh of a Woman and a New Creation like Pat can Sioux a body of White Christian government men for the Anticipatorty Tort in the 1st Amendment, Mass Religion Fraud & Breach of Contract, Honor, Mottoes, Name sakes, Oaths and Promises all president have sworn on a Bible.
Especially since since women were not allowed to Vote, did not get a choice, never asked or given a decent respect as it relates to their opinions or religious convictions. So if the whole truth and nothing but the Truth, so help me GOD be told; the SHAME NOW BEFORE ALMIGHTY GOD is that I choose YES but they chose NO, Hated Jesus Christ without a Cause and DARK SKIN People Negro or Indian Just Because. Thank GOD now Women have the Right to Abort, Dissolve, Divorce, Separate or Throw Off Men now too accustomed to thinking about Sex or using the wrong head to Right themselves. Although God created All Men Equal and 1st, GOD created Women Second and Greater as their Beta. So either Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death because I as Satan Need God’s Help and GOD is my Only Witness I didnt do half the stuff Pat and people like him blamed on me.
Peace out
AY you must of been a cheerleader in your previous life.
“So as a Jew does he or doesn’t he exist.”
In the Jewish religion of course God exists. The difference is that for Jews original sin is an unknown concept and not at all the teaching of Genesis; God made this world as a paradise and it is humanity’s mission to live up to that: there is no promise of an afterlife, the idea is to live a good life here: there is no Hell, nor is there a Satan. That’s just a few of the concepts and one would think that any thinking person would know this before making up their minds about religion. However, as I’ve clearly stated before I am an ethnically Jewish person, who believes as a Deist, but practices that Deism in Jewish format and ritual.
As a Deist I believe there is a positive creative force behind life and the universe, but that humanity cannot possibly understand that force, or truly perceive its’ thinking. I’ve also stated that I believe in what Christians call “The Golden Rule” as the basis for all religions and the key philosophy to live by. That rule is so often ignored by people claiming to love God, but really rarely live lives that approximate it. This would include believers in Pat Robertson, who make a mockery of religious belief, but lack the insight to understand their own travesty.
Be Da Man,
Come on surely you can come up better than this, can’t you?
If God exists then the Deity is not some eternal puppeteer putting on a show for its own amusement.
So as a Jew does he or doesn’t he exist.
rcampbell,
I apologize for the assumption.
chris
Who said I don’t? I find the overriding question for both sides to be “What if they’re wrong?” If climate change advocates are wrong but we do some of the things they recommend to improve the environment anyway, we are left with cleaner air, cleaner water, cleaner energy, a human population in better sync with nature, a cleaner planet. If the climate change deniers are wrong and we take their approach and do nothing……
If I’m wrong about the non-exisitence of a supreme being, I have the same right as all these other sects to conjure up whatever attributes I choose to assign to that supreme being I was wrong about and so I think she’ll forgive me.
“The story goes God cast Satan from the heavens to earth. Some believe, such as myself that Satan rules the earth hence why I believe we are living in hell on earth.”
Finally troll you fully explain yourself. Being a Jew and therefore to you a Christ Killer, I don’t believe in Satan or Hell. Job has no place in the Jewish canon and indeed its’ writing shows that to be so. Some religious Jewish fanatics, yes we have them too, got it wrong and put it in there. Satan was a construct made up by religious fanatics who wanted to control their flock through fear. What I find so stupid is that if Satan is to be believed and if Job is to be believed, then all those believing it are in a state of blasphemy, because they conceive God to be an irrational creator getting off on torturing those of his creation. If God exists then the Deity is not some eternal puppeteer putting on a show for its own amusement. To believe such is truly blasphemous, but even more so the thoughts of an ignorant mind and an unholy spirit.
BIL–
“Since I know you consider me a heathen I won’t be saving you a seat in Hell, Pat. You’ll have one somewhere though. I’ll be in the Mojito section making fun of you with Elaine and Hemmingway. Steer clear, freak. Poppa has a much shorter fuse for unmanliness than I. And Elaine will just whip out some caustic poetry that’s likely to leave a mark too, buddy.”
Pardon me??? I was under the impression that there was no such place as Hell. I wasn’t planning to spend time reclining on a chaise longue and imbibing alcoholic beverages in the netherworld post mortem. However, I’d be happy to make and share a few batches of Mojitos with you while making cutting comments and whipping up some caustic verses about the likes of Pat Roberston, Dick & Liz Cheney, Rushbo, Beck, Hannity, et al–while I’m still suckin’ air.
rcampbell,
I couldn’t have said it better. In fact that is the reason I have never been religious. With every religion having a different explanation for things how can anyone of them claim to be correct or have all the answers.
However you can also find many different opinions concerning global warming. Why would you not apply that same logic to global warming?
WOW INCREDIBLE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1243176/Haiti-earthquake-Horrifying-images-destruction-death-toll-threatens-hit-100-000.html
I would just like to point out that Pat Robertson is a product of Yale Law School.
Make of that what you will.
Who is the creator anyway?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
ec,
Seconded. Adroitly and conventionally delivered. I am in the slow lane this AM, but it’s nice to see I can depend on AY to catch any dry suggestive humor I might miss in my caffeine depleted state (rapidly being remedied).