Fall From Grace: “Prophet of God” Charged After “Marrying” Ten Year Old Niece

In Minnesota, James Wallace Fall, 58, is accused of marrying his ten-year-old niece. Fall insists that he is a “prophet of God.” He insists that the marriage is sanctioned by the Bible, which is full of accounts of figures with multiple and often adolescent wives.

Fall “married” his niece during a summer vacation at Yellowstone National Park in 2001. He allegedly would alternative between the niece and his prior wife, Rosemary Fall, 49. This went on for nine years until the niece went to police. She is now 19.

The aunt has also been charged in the case.

He is also being investigated for possible murder and fraud connected to the death of his brother-in-law, Phillip Johnson, 10 years ago.

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23 thoughts on “Fall From Grace: “Prophet of God” Charged After “Marrying” Ten Year Old Niece”

  1. Tootie:

    ” … especially after I have slaughtered your first point.”

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    Slaughtered me you have, and that’s how I know you are a true Christian. LOL

  2. Gossegotha:

    “Imagine you’re a deity, full of virtues like fairness and infinite jurisprudence and hatred of violence, trying to civilize a primitive humanity by persuasion (i.e., with a minimum of coercion). First you have to find barbaric humans willing to listen.”

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    Find ’em? You created ’em! Sorry, Gossegotha, but you lost me at “Hello.”

  3. meso:

    I’m sure you need to discuss something else at this point and must needs feign outrage at another point neither of us (in particular your) were discussing, especially after I have slaughtered your first point.

    I’m ready for round two.

    Are you?

  4. Mespo,

    I dig where you’re coming from about the undeniable barbarity of the old testament God. Unable to deny it, I for a long time just wrote that deity off as hopelessly passe and gauche. But age sometimes brings a willingness to give the benefit of the doubt, and so I revisited the brutality of the biblical stories and tried to view it afresh, from a distance. Here’s what I came up with as a more interesting alternative to outright dismissal:

    Imagine you’re a deity, full of virtues like fairness and infinite jurisprudence and hatred of violence, trying to civilize a primitive humanity by persuasion (i.e., with a minimum of coercion). First you have to find barbaric humans willing to listen. These are likely to be the slightly less barbarous ones. You intend to show these listeners the merits of totally pacifistic, rationalistic, empathetic, egalitarian behavior, but first you have to ensure these relative nerdlings don’t get Mongoled out of existence by their neighbors. It’s a tricky process! Step one might be, find the slightly less hardheaded (and hardhearted) ones, and move them to a relatively backwater area free of giant barbaric hordes. That’s step one. But step two’s pretty ugly–secure this group a place in the world of pure barbarity. This will involve shock and awe. Step three is pretty messy, too, only now the violence won’t be against this group’s neighbors, it’ll be against the group itself, as said group stubbornly holds onto barbaric ways of thinking. Finally, when the group’s really ready to hear it, you can bring on your main act, a demonstration of how human beings should act. But you had to work hard to get to this point, and even then, most of your specially-prepared audience is going to laugh your demo model offstage, because they just can’t believe a God-man would be so pacifistic, or so egalitarian. So weak. So nonbarbaric.

    That’s the deity Tootsie believes in, and as a big sci-fi buff, I think it’s a pretty plausible view of how a superhuman being, a God, would have to approach a humanity so barbaric it can’t conceive of things like a rape taboo, a cannibalism taboo, an infanticide taboo. It’s a messy process, because we’re messy. But the point is that the deity steers humanity consistently toward more and more noble modes of interaction and organization. This means setting up as the ideal, the thing we’re being steered toward, someone who’s humble, patient, empathetic, rational, considerate, honest, and preferably, someone who isn’t into sex with prepubescent cousins.

    Or think of it this way: c. 1000 BCE, human beings thought gang rape the standard way to reach a truce with a neighboring tribe. Enslavement was considered a mercy, an innovation that replaced universal slaughter of the conquered. Human beings were like a one-year-old. They wouldn’t have understood appeals to fairness, or peace treaties, as ways to secure a homeland for a tribe of immigrants from a thousand miles east. Much like one cannot teach a one-year-old to avoid certain dangers without simply physically removing them from the situation, repeatedly, while also saying “no” and hoping they eventually learn to listen to the “no” without the physical intervention.

    Or consider pottery–if you want to turn mud into a beautiful vase, step one is not, draw a pretty design on the mud. Step one is cut the mud. Step two is hammer all the air out of it. Step three is massage it. You can’t get to step three without steps one and two. So with the Biblical God–he’s a realpolitik progressive. He’s the one entity who can get away with claiming his ends justify his means. He’s a scupltor. He’s a parent. He’s the monolith from 2001, trying to turn those apes into astronauts with minimal (not zero) violence.

  5. Tootie:

    Only you could gloss over the obvious barbarism of turning children over to warriors who’ve just murdered their parents and make some distinction between marrying them and “having” them — as though they just wanted to set up platonic playschool with them. I find it doubly interesting that you find slavery acceptable, but then again your religion found it perfectly acceptable, too, for centuries. Bottom line is that you are paying homage to a First Century warrior cult dedicated to barbarism. Please stop trying to defend the indefensible, which, in your case, is always the Christian Bible. You should try reading it sometime, you can get all the “sex, sex, sex” (as you say) that you want, and not a Hollywood producer to be found anywhere.

  6. meso:

    Where does it say they married? You are making things up.

    Did the Jews marry the flocks and cattle they captured too?

    The “women children”, as the King James refers to them, became slaves and that is what this passage refers to. How do I know this? Because the Hebrews were even permitted (according to Leviticus 25:44) to take slaves from the people around them during times of peace (they had to buy them). The Midians were these very same people Leviticus refers to. And thus the Jews could take them as slaves after conquering them as Deuteronomy 21:11 and 13 shows:

    “And seest among the captives [after war] a beautiful WOMAN, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife…And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.” [my emphasis]

    This passage makes it clear that the marriage of a captive female was to a WOMAN, not a child like in the passage you site. We don’t see a discussion of marriage in the passage you site, because the captive is a young virgin female, too young for marriage.

    If you are insinuating that fornication (sex out of marriage) is implicated in the passage you site….well…that is absurd. Fornication is forbidden.

    The Hebrews were to marry women, not children. And the whole of the Bible indicates that marriage is for women, not children. There is not place in the bible where we read Jewish men were allowed to marry children. Your supposed proof doesn’t say marriage happened.

    So too with the Christians. All references to marriage in the NT are to women (not children). Eve was a woman, not a child. This is God’s example for marriage and there is no evidence that God ever changed this pattern.

    A Hebrew had to be 20 to join the army. This information points to the ONLY definite age the Old Testament gives for marriage. In the same passage that says military service starts no sooner than age 20, it says that a young man didn’t have to go into the military if he just got married. And that couldn’t happen until he was twenty. So number-wise, the only age for suitable marriage we can point to with some specificity and certainly is age 20.

    All references to marriage in the bible are to women (not women children).

    You are projecting your opinion on this matter. I’ve provided you with evidence. You have provided me with only an indictment and no evidence to support it.

  7. Tootie:

    Where, pray tell, are the verses therein which approve of old men marrying little children?

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    How’s this Tootie? Not exactly marriage but child rape none the less:

    “They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

    ~Numbers 31:7-18 NLT:

    Are you really that familiar, Tootie. There’s plenty more barbarism where that came from.

  8. Okay. I’m quite up on my King James Bible.

    Where, pray tell, are the verses therein which approve of old men marrying little children?

    I’ll wait patiently for the evidence to be posted.

  9. What’s with these cult leaders? Mohammed married his seven-year-old relative, Aisha, but waited until she was 9 or 10 to consummate the marriage… she was with him until his death, which happened in her 19th year… maybe this guy was just the incarnation of Mohammed?

    Or possessed by David Koresh…

    I’m perfectly willing to consider that a person is speaking for God or Truth, if what they quote God saying isn’t blatantly self-serving. If you hear a prophet saying God gave him special sexual privileges, run, girls!

    Oldest trick in the book. 🙂

  10. BIL…
    You are forgiven. Watch out for those Southern carbs and bacon though…..they’re bad stuff!!!

  11. Hennepin county is Minneapolis. A real city where his religious theories could get a little different look than in the rural areas.

  12. True that, Canadian. And pardon my sloppy reading! I blame the muscle relaxers and too much southern cooking as of late. All those carbs and bacon slows down a mind.

    Being murdered does tend to curb one’s ability to protect family.

  13. ” He is also being investigated for possible murder and fraud connected to the death of his brother-in-law, Phillip Johnson, 10 years ago ”

    Buddah…..
    I’m guessing that it’s not a co-incidence that the perv is also being investigated for the murder of his brother-in-law which occured at approximately the same time that he married his niece.

  14. I want to know why his brother/brother-in-law just didn’t beat the snot out of him for even suggesting it.

  15. ” He insists that the marriage is sanctioned by the Bible, which is full of accounts of figures with multiple and often adolescent wives. ”

    And in the sane world this behaviour is sanctioned as perverted, disguisting, and illegal. It never ceases to amaze me what people believe they can do ” in the name of God “!

  16. Some people will go to the ends of the earth to revise the meaning of the term “inordinately horney” …

  17. Fall will appear in Hennepin County District Court. Hope that his name is not Rome and nor does he have relations with chickens……

    What more need be said. The Bible condones such practices….it is sanctioned and ordained….so is death and murder …. depending on who you murder…

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