In what could be a female version of the Matthew Shepard case, three high school girls from Kentucky are accused of beating a friend and trying to throw her off a cliff because she is a lesbian. Corinne Schwab and Ashley Sams, both 18, and an unnamed 17-year-old girl have been arrested in the case.
The girls have been friends for years, but that did not allegedly stop them from lying to the victim about taking her to a job interview and then trying to throw her off Flat Lick Falls. The victim was reportedly able to record the attack on her cellphone and escaped by grabbing a nearby stick. They girls then allegedly caught up with her and forced her back in the car. She was let go after promising not to tell anyone.
UPDATE: Police are not saying that they do not see evidence of a hate crime, here.
The teens reportedly insisted it was just a prank but state police believed otherwise and have charged Schwab and Sams with kidnapping and criminal attempt to commit murder.
The alleged attacked occurred on a National Day of Silence for those who are gay.
For the full story, click here.
Mespo is certain that only the fool is certain?
“I unequivocally claim that I hate no one on earth. Not one soul. Not Muslims, not blacks, nor homosexuals, illegal alien invaders, criminally-minded members of congress or the White House, or people like you and Muslims who according to your own standard hate with unmitigated loathing.”
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Only the fool is certain.
Byron: Soldiers often kill without hate, so do cops. Men who are madly in love with women have been known to murder them if caught in adultery or spurned, only to deeply morn the loss. Crazed druggies strung out on crack kill without hate or cause (beyond the drugs).
The heart is desperately wicked, who can know it? And does a youth who wantonly tortures and slaughters a animal hate it? I doubt it.
And then there is this:
http://www.crimetimes.org/03a/w03ap5.htm (brain tumors and crime)
Elaine,
You betcha! 😉
1) Don’t feed the trolls!
2) Can’t we find some right wingers who aren’t hallucinatory to post here? Since they’ve been run out of the Republican party, they should have some time on their hands.
Buddha–
“While some fear Woolf, no one fears a Foxx except perhaps the chickens.”
But the chickenhawks LOVE–they don’t fear–FOX, doncha know!
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I see the world’s foremost expert–and sexpert–is in ranting mode this fine day.
Tootie:
correct me if I am wrong but how do you kill someone without also hating them? There has to be some emotion involved unless you are a sociopath. I would imagine rage is required but wouldn’t rage require you to hate them at least for the time necessary to kill them?
It may be just a transient emotion and abate after you have killed them but wouldn’t it be hate in any event even if for a short period of time?
Roland:
You are confused as all leftists are. Try to think.
When a man kills someone right in front of us, we can, factually say someone was killed. We don’t have to guess or interpret the information.
How will you do the same thing with hate?
A Muslim may say that comedians who mock Mohammad are hateful and deserve to die. Who is to say they are wrong? Who are YOU to say they are wrong?
Only I can say they are wrong.
That is because, between me and you, only I can say the Muslim has no right to assert that. You and the Muslim hold the same moral position, as both of you claim to have knowledge of what lies hidden in the heart and minds of other people.
And you do not understand this, which makes you as dangerous as Muslims who threaten others.
I, on the other hand, wait until their is a slain body before I make the claim that someone has been killed. You want to claim the slaying before it happens. And that is what all this insane “hate” business by the left is all about. It is false accusation run rampant.
The only time we can be sure someone is guilty of hate (or guilty of killing) is when it happens. How do we know for sure a the feeling of hatred has occurred in others? The only way to know for sure is when it is OPENLY ADMITTED by the accused. I’m not saying that a person cannot hate and hide it. I’m only saying you cannot know for sure and neither can I.
I admit no hate.
I unequivocally claim that I hate no one on earth. Not one soul. Not Muslims, not blacks, nor homosexuals, illegal alien invaders, criminally-minded members of congress or the White House, or people like you and Muslims who according to your own standard hate with unmitigated loathing.
CEJ: LOL Do you wear a pointy black hat, fly around on a broom, mix potions, and look into a class ball like the witch in the Wizard of Oz?
I owe you no explanations about who or who I am not.
You guys just don’t get it. People like Tootie feel they are the only ones able to define anything regarding society and people as a whole. Eventhough her hateful rant can’t be defined as anything else she see’s her self as the victim of hate. Like the Klan member who lynches the black and sees himself as the victim (I wouldn’t have to do this if these N*gg#rs knew thier place) she has no ability to understand anyone but herself and the like minded. It is this inhuman and inhumane ability to willingly misunderstand truth that keeps these folks out of touch with reality.
Tootie,
Actually I usually ignore you. I want you to go through all the discussions you’ve been in lately. In how many have I engaged you in conversation? Do you define ‘Constant attacks’ as responding to you in one topic of six or seven you comment in?
I find your attempt to take attention away from the horrible things that these girls did and put it on some perceived bias in the media to be sickening and contemptable. I don’t generally claim to be a liberal (at least not in the way you mean it, I always put “Jeffersonian” in front of that word if I use it to describe myself), and I’ve never claimed not to hate some types of behavior.
Now if you wonder why I’m much less angry in my responses to Vlf, it’s because his point was more or less on topic.
VLF,
People tend to idealize the culture they grew up in and exaggerate the faults of the generations that follow them. Also, societal norms have shifted. What’s considered “cruel” now may have just be a fun prank a couple of decades ago. Just take a look at the media depictions of frat hazing.
Gyges:
Excellent point – yes, teenage cruelty is more prominent in today’s news than it used to be, but, having older siblings, and being a ‘child of the 70’s and 80’s’ myself, it seems to me that teenagers today are crueler, and more prone to commit violence against other teen than they (we of the 40-something generation) used to be. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it didn’t happen, it just appears to be more vicious.
I do blame much of today’s teenaged attitudes on the parents who would much rather be friends with their kids than actual parents, and feed into the ‘it’s all about me’ selfishness and need for instant gratification. Patience is SO not a virtue anymore.
While some fear Woolf, no one fears a Foxx except perhaps the chickens.
Tootie,
Your refusal to deny you are Virginia Foxx must be an affirmation.
Gyges: I consider your constant attacks about my opinions of liberals as a form of hatred directed against me (according to your standard of hatred, of course).
That standard, is, of course, whatever we willy-nilly want it to be.
What a delightful game!
CEJ:
I don’t believe you have proven that this case was motivated by hate. Sorry, your assertions don’t count.
And I stand by my belief that it wasn’t about homosexuality either.
Except in the minds of the pathologically hysterical mainstream media and the sheep who believe them.
Tootie @ 6:33pm:
“Even the prosecutors said it wasn’t about sexuality or hate.”
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Tootie are you really Virginia Foxx, the Republican Congresswoman from North Carolina?
On the evening of October 6-7 1998, Matthew Shepard at age 21 was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote rural area, and left to die. Matthew was discovered 18 hours later still alive and in a coma, he was pronounced dead on October 12, 1998. Under then Wyoming state law and United States federal law, crimes committed on the basis of sexual orientation were not included or prosecuted as hate crimes. That changed on October 28 2009, when President Obama signed The Mathew Sheppard Act into law.
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Cue Janis Ian’s “At Seventeen” on second thought don’t…
Tootie,
That joke was a replacement for a long and angry rant about what sort of a person would politicize the attempted murder of a young woman by her close friends. Then I realized it wouldn’t do any good, that you would remain so wrapped up in your hatred of “liberalism” that every single thing you see is warped.
The joke at least has a chance of getting a laugh.
Byron,
Eh, that’s just my standard response whenever I see anyone falling (in my opinion) into Good Old Days mode.
Gyges:
your Plato quote is evidence of the results of an affluent society.