There has been a huge award in a novel malicious prosecution case over the alleged theft of pet turkeys. In 2004, defendant Ralph Dupps accused Robert and Jennifer Klippel of turkey-napping their pets and then releasing them back into nature. While the charges were dismissed, the Klippels sued and were just awarded $4.25 million
They claim that the ordeal drove Robert Klippel to alcohol and drove Jennifer Klippel to the use of sleep aids and depression medication.
What is fascinating is that this is a lawsuit against the Dupps as opposed to the state.
The turkeys had been a long dispute over their scaring Robert Klippel’s son and defecating in the Klippel yard. A police officer allegedly suggested just shooting the birds. The Klippels admit that they took the turkeys to a wildlife preserve. The Dupps then went to police who issued warrants for petit larceny on the Klippels who spent 10 hours in jail.
The case involved arguments under nuisance and the right of owners to take such actions. The jury obviously agreed.
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AY,
Are you suggesting that the government has done nothing good or am I just too old to recognize your sarcasm?
Blouise,
I agree in part and disagree in other parts but for other reasons. I think he was a good scapegoat and the timing was even more wonderful…
“So yes, Ollie was strung out to dry and he was almost convicted. Lets see he violated the laws by obeying orders and when the Government was ordered to turn over items his attorney requested…case dismissed…next…” (AY)
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In my opinion Ollie North simply went through a bit of show biz to placate the media and draw attention away from other things. I believe he covered for a lot of others so perhaps in that way he was hung out but otherwise I believe he was a willing participant … and given his present occupation, probably enjoyed it.
rafflaw,
I would never ever disagree with the right things the government has done…..by the way…what were they and when?
Harebell,
I am late to round two due to the fact that I have to work for a living. I think you have misunderstood my comments about the Marines. No one is in favor of war crimes or unnecessary shootings and killings. Marines have gone over the line before and probably will again. Secondly, maybe I didn’t make myself clear, but a retreat to regain your composure and plan your response is normal. The wild shooting portion is not. A retreat is a manuever and runing away as you put it, is just cowardice. The Marines do not run. That company or platoon may have been a rogue group or a burnt out group, but pulling them from the theater is not an example of the Marine Corps running from its duty. Now, while I do not agree with any unnecessary killings on or near the battlefield, these young men and women are under extreme pressure and danger and mistakes are and will be made. We need to remember they are not walking down Main Street USA when these incidents occur.
Finally, the only reason I asked for your country of origin is to make sure that I understood your animus to the US. If you have been on this site for any length of time, you will know that criticism of our government is never withheld when it is due. Your broad brush approach was the problem I had/have with your argument. Once again, if you read this site often enough, you will see that many of us take the government to task on a regular basis for their domestic and international excesses. The US system of government is flawed, but it is the best we have right now.
Lottakatz,
We can still respect the men and women who volunteer to serve us without agreeing with the politicians and Pentagon leadership that sends them into harms way when they should not be sent there. Thousands of people joined the services after 9/11 and some after they graduated from high school and college subsequent to 9/11 for patriotic reasons as stated earlier. To say that
When they hung him out to dry with out even a freshener. Yeah.
I have said this before and it bares repeating again. The Blackberry was created by the CIA intelligence operatives. It was utilized by the British in the Sandinista and El Salvador matters. Blackberry is now operated with its headquarters in Canada dba RIM, Research in Motion….That is part of the Star wars that Reagen put in place to keep track of the soldiers on the ground. If people knew what all the CIA was involved in and how many business’s that they control they would shit thar britches. That is one reason the Law Enforcement Officers are able to keep track of you, by the credit card transactions. Anytime you use your piece of Plastic with the Visa or Mastercard logo (and you can’t) just think of the Big Brother watching you…all around the world….
Back to Blackberry some UAE country decided that people would no longer be able to use Blackberry because the code encryption is so great, that they were not able to crack them….just think the next time you use your cell phone..they are looking for certain phrases and if you happen to use them..then expect a knock on your door or at least increased watch…
Back to the Credit Card stuff, if the Company looks at your record it is not a violation nor does it trigger a notification of who looked at your credit report and for what….scary huh….
So yes, Ollie was strung out to dry and he was almost convicted. Lets see he violated the laws by obeying orders and when the Government was ordered to turn over items his attorney requested…case dismissed…next…
… wasn’t Ollie North involved during much of that time frame?
Blouise,
It boils down to three things, Oil, American Business and Bankers in Kuwait. What went wrong was BushI placing Saddam in power after he got the hostages released during his minor reign…..as head of the CIA and then Veep….Then Saddam wanted Kuwait because they had oil….well so did the Bushes they were owner of 10 acres of oil….Bush could have that…so he used his power as now President and repelled Saddam from Kuwait…Saddam burnt it down as he was leaving, costing the American Business Men, Bankers and Oil folks lots of money…all would have been ok, but for Saddam’s plan to assassinate BushI…then the take down of Saddam was a mercy killing…his trial was like no other….I think that the German officers had better treatment at Nuremberg than Saddam….oh would that be an Honor Killing BushII?
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Yep, I well remember the tenure of Bush I at the CIA … and … what I do remember with great clarity was the New Years Eve of the first year Reagan was to take office in the White House … a toast was offered by a certain someone to … yeah, you guessed it … Pres. Bush.
As far as I’m concerned out of the last 7 terms (not counting this one) in the White House, a Bush has run 5 of them … at least in the areas that most concern and benefit the family. Talk about a regime! People worry about the wrong things and the many distractions offered by the republican party help keep it that way.
Bob,Esq.
IOW, Thank You. And some things I’d rather not be privy to…lol
AY,
IOW = “In Other Words”
“WWII would have taken 7 to 15 more years with millions more dead and Prescott Bush’s assets still frozen for playing with the enemy act”
Yeah, yeah; the Brown Brothers Harriman ties still run deep. I worked for a son-in-law of one of the Brown Brothers crew. I could tell you where James Baker slept the weekend of Bush v. Gore.
Small world; eh?
Blouise,
It boils down to three things, Oil, American Business and Bankers in Kuwait. What went wrong was BushI placing Saddam in power after he got the hostages released during his minor reign…..as head of the CIA and then Veep….Then Saddam wanted Kuwait because they had oil….well so did the Bushes they were owner of 10 acres of oil….Bush could have that…so he used his power as now President and repelled Saddam from Kuwait…Saddam burnt it down as he was leaving, costing the American Business Men, Bankers and Oil folks lots of money…all would have been ok, but for Saddam’s plan to assassinate BushI…then the take down of Saddam was a mercy killing…his trial was like no other….I think that the German officers had better treatment at Nuremberg than Saddam….oh would that be an Honor Killing BushII?
lottakatz,
The War on Terror was, in my mind, never a war let alone one on terror. It is my opinion that by sending in the troops, Bush took advantage of the American people’s respect for the military and used that to the disadvantage of the military itself and to his own advantage in carrying out an overthrow of the Iraq regime. Thus the desire on many Americans’ part to “Support the Troops” was twisted most cynically by Bush as support for his over throw of the Iraq regime.
I take issue with your statement “Everyone between those extremes that I’ve known were just looking for a job and often it was the job of last resort. I feel sorry for them.”
I can not argue that “everyone” you know were in that position. But I can counter that out of the many young people I know, including some family members, they left jobs like firefighter, paramedic, teacher, not to seek a job in the military because they didn’t like their present job but out of a sense of patriotic duty. I do know three young people who joined straight out of highschool but all of them could have gotten jobs in the private sector or gone to college on their parent’s dime. I would be very shocked if any of the six people I’ve mentioned took part in “murdered civilians, massacres or torturers on the late shift.”
… whew … that was close … I almost committed a war crime
harebell,
I stand corrected and have recalled the drones.
mespo
Citizen of the world, I guess it might come across as grandiose if I hadn’t prefaced it with the fact that I move around a lot. That means I encounter a tremendous amount of points of view and am usually a minority where ever I live. That really puts life into perspective.
As for disliking America, not so much. I love the country to bits and have met some wondrously glorious folk there. What I take issue with is the smug response by some to the perceived failings of others, while those criticising do exactly the same thing.
As for paying for anything. You don’t have any money of your own. Your markers are held by folk like China($799B), Japan($752B) and the UK($249B). You are passing on other people’s money that they lend you to others. The majority of your population suffers, while a small percentage of it gets everything and your government dishes out sweeteners to all and sundry on behalf of this minority. All the while you get deeper into debt and in debt to others. ($42.3B annual deficit). I worry for those good folk I mentioned above. I worry that someday they will be paying off all this foolishness and bopping along to someone else’s tune.
Blouise
As for soldiers, most generally go where you send them and do the best job they can. My family did for three generations.
The example I gave involving the marines was purely to show the habit of chucking money at a problem and calling it a solution.
It rapidly became the subject of the conversation because Rafflaw and latterly Byron insisted they never ran away.
Ok I was wrong they made a “frenzied escape.” These words were not mine, they were in a report made on the incident in question. The removal of the 120 strong Marine unit from theatre was made by an US Special Forces General and it was regarded as “unprecedented.”
Not my words or my actions, but mentioning them to question Rafflaw and Byron’s claims some how equates to bad-mouthing the Marines.
Facts ma’am, just the facts. please
Bob,Esq,
I think I am confused….
You said: “Okay, but what I’m saying is that the Marines aren’t this ‘unheard of force’ from the POV of the Framers.”
I say: That is true and if they were around then and wanted a separate force why then did they not just create a branch of the Marines? If I had my say, it was probably EGO…but we would not hear that word for a few more Hundred years….
You said: “IOW,”
I said: huh?
You said: “I understand, but don’t agree with, the ultra-strict argument regarding the Air Force, but not the Marines.”
I said: huh, if you are saying that I think that they should be treated the same and there should really be no distinction in funding you are correct. But each congressperson has its own pet and fund it for various reasons….
You said: “Reason I don’t agree with the argument against the Air Force as being recognized under the Constitution is that it was a natural outgrowth from the Army.”
I said: That is the reason that it is the coup de ette it has become. A Natural Outgrowth…again EGO’s involved. Frankly if it had not been for the Army Air Corp, ah ha, we have it ….AAC…WWII would have taken 7 to 15 more years with millions more dead and Prescott Bush’s assets still frozen for playing with the enemy act…or is that trading with the enemy…whatever…they financed steel mills, which went on to make machines which were utilized in war….but then again…the last bush in office, made it a crime to assist the enemy in any form or fashion…because the Bushes have oil wells in Kuwait…and they use that money to finance enemy terrorist cells, shouldn’t the Bushs have there assets frozen again for trading with the enemy again?
Wow, everybody seems to have taken some kind of a ‘nationalism’ pill today. I don’t care where harebell is from and why should I? If what he’s saying is correct it’s of no matter and if what he’s saying is incorrect have a go at his argument. I’ve heard his ‘heal yourself’ argument resonate on this blawg many times and usually in some form or another from regulars. Even if he were a disgusted citizen from an allied or non-allied country what’s the big deal? And bashing the French apropos of nothing heretofore stated on this thread? That’s just juvenile. I’m really surprised at the devolution of the argument on this thread.
A couple of things specific; I recall the incident with the marines and the investigation findings, the marines killed people indiscriminately. They did a very bad thing. Why should that be defended?
I also recall the insurgency in El Salvador and Iran Contra. We were backing despots in El Salvador and Nicaragua that tortured and murdered their own people for political advantage. In the case of Nicaragua we were allied with a family of despots that were generationally serial bastards. Theodore Roosevelt remarked that the elder Somoza “…may be a son of a bitch but he’s our son of a bitch”. I remember that from reading about the Somoza family history almost 30 years ago.
Central America is historically little more than a plantation for American companies (as well as other countries and their companies) and any desires for democracy among the peasantry or intelligencia were relentlessly suppressed and crushed. Iran-Contra was treason that should have landed North and a half a dozen others including Ronald Reagan in prison if not against a wall.
Harebell is not far off the mark and demanding his ‘papers’ is downright bizarre coming from people on this blawg.
I BTW don’t think the military is the only (last) respectable institution in the country. I don’t have all that much respect for them as a group though I’ve known a few honorable individuals in the military. The high ranking ones I’ve known were more ruthless politician than warrior and the warriors I’ve known were seriously messed up mentally. Everyone between those extremes that I’ve known were just looking for a job and often it was the job of last resort. I feel sorry for them. I am never surprised to read about murdered civilians, massacres or torturers on the late shift.
AY,
Okay, but what I’m saying is that the Marines aren’t this ‘unheard of force’ from the POV of the Framers.
IOW, I understand, but don’t agree with, the ultra-strict argument regarding the Air Force, but not the Marines. Reason I don’t agree with the argument against the Air Force as being recognized under the Constitution is that it was a natural outgrowth from the Army.
… figuratively … I have lots of drone words unbudgeted (like unbudgeted, which isn’t even a word!)
That is a drone on the budget….