With Libya now moving to a Sharia-based system that will impose religious values on the population, Egypt is also rapidly moving toward an extreme Sharia based system. Indeed, Hesham al Ashry (the leader of the Salafists) announced this week that “I am the enemy of democracy.”
Businessman Naguib Sawiris now calls Egypt’s future “dim … bad.”
Al Ashry put the reality into perspective: “This is a big opportunity and it’s not going to go back. This was mentioned by the Prophet Mohammed. Peace be upon him. He said this was going to happen.” Thus, the freedom that led to the overthrow of Mubarak regime will now be extinguished to embrace a new form of oppression — just faith-based rather than tyrant-based repression.
One of the objections made to the intervention of the United States in Libya was that, in addition to the absence of any declaration from Congress, President Obama could bring bring about a more radical regime. Even at the time, Libyan rebels were known to have extremist elements, including some linked to Al Qaeda. Some of the same concerns were heard in our Egyptian policies. I am less critical of the Obama policy on Libya. Indeed, I thought the Administration struck the right tone — without military intervention. However, there is a general misconception that the “Arab Spring” necessarily means a triumph of democracy and human rights. Movements in both Libya and Egypt show the powerful pull of theocratic oppression. The denial of the separation of mosque and state (as well as religious freedom) undermines a host of other rights from free speech to free association. The Obama Administration undermined those rights further with its shocking support of a United Nation’s resolution that embraced the concept of blasphemy prosecutions.
With the move to Sharia law, Egypt is showing other signs of extremism. Sectarian violence, particularly against Christians, has increased with little intervention from the military.
The loss of Egypt to religious extremism would be extremely destabilizing for the regime. It will also raise a question of our continued massive support for the country. Even though we have cities and states breaking under economic pressures, we are still pouring billions in aid to both Israel and Egypt.
The link between cause of the protests (Wall Street/the Raj) and the protesters (both victims) in the argument by analogy only seems like a logical leap to you because you want to avoid causation being properly assigned to the wrong doers in this instance, Bron. Wall Street is to blame for the protests as is Washington’s refusal to hold the criminals accountable. I’m certain the protesters would much rather have nothing to protest. They represent the victims of Wall Street’s crimes as aided and abetted by Washington pols in collusion with corporate lobbyists.
“The government is still willing to help the big boys. And some people want to blame free markets?”
No. Some people want to blame deregulated markets as there is a direct causal connection between the deregulation of the banking industry and the current situation. But don’t let facts get in the way of your religious devotion to a bad idea.
Bdaman:
you dont seem like you are against criminals being punished, in fact you seem pretty law and orderly to me.
In fact you were talking about the innocent being hurt, the small businesses near the protesters who will probably end up losing their livelihoods because of the OWS, some of whom probably voted for Obama. I imagine they wont again.
I think the left has made a very large miscalculation, this is not 1933 and people are more informed about economics than they used to be. Most people have investments on Wall St. and own homes. I guess it comes down to are there more makers than takers? And do people think government can be all things to all people.
The funny part about this whole thing is that government bailed out Wall St. using our money, Wall St. didnt bail out the government. Peel that onion, Bdaman and it always seems to show government’s ugly hand at some level.
I have been reading about Glass Steagall and it is really eye opening, did you know that banks which had securities trading were 4 times less likely to fail as banks which didnt get into securities? Glass Steagall wanted to separate securities from banks. My question is why if those banks were 4 times safer? So far it appears that the Rockefellers wanted to horn in on the Morgans and thought using government to hamstring the Morgans was a good way to increase profits.
We have always been played by the rich elite which tend to fascism/socialism. What has it been 78 years? Some things never change. The government is still willing to help the big boys. And some people want to blame free markets?
Bdaman:
I am sort of curious as to what Ghandi has to do with OWS? In the case of Ghandi you had a man trying to remove the imperialist government and guide his nation to freedom and self governance. To free his people from oppression by England. To become soveriegn over their own affairs.
Wall St. doesnt rule us, so I am not sure what the connection is. And if Wall St does rule us then hasnt the federal government failed? The congress might disagree with that.
Seems quite a logical leap to me.
I got bad news for you, sushine. None of what you said in any way invalidates the call of the crowd for the even larger Wall Street criminals to be held accountable for their crimes. Crimes which I remind you again were perpetrated against millions of people. Crimes which are responsible for the protests in the first place.
Keep flailing away and not addressing the fundamental flaws in your logic all you like, Bdaman.
It smells just like desperation and propaganda with the intent to excuse the bad guys on Wall Street.
Occupy Wall Street Protest Reaches a Crossroads
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/nyregion/occupy-wall-street-protest-reaches-a-crossroads.html
In the wake of an alleged rape and a sexual assault in Zuccotti Park that resulted in the arrest of an Occupy Wall Street protester earlier this week, the movement has erected a women-only safe-space sleeping tent. According to the Post the 16-square-foot metal-framed tent will be watched by female members of the de-escalation team, and can sleep 18 people. “This is all about safety in numbers,” 24-year-old protester Becky Wartell says.
One 23-year-old woman tells the paper that she’ll be sleeping in the safe space “partially because of the recent attacks that have been happening.” She adds, “I think that this will help bring more women to the movement as well. I think a lot of women have been hesitant and especially for those that are new and don’t know a lot of people it’s hard to find a safe place to stay.”
http://gothamist.com/2011/11/05/occupy_wall_street_erects_women-onl.php
3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’
WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens, who spent the night at the camp a few weeks ago, talked to a man who spends most nights at Occupy Boston. He said things have gone downhill.
“Things have changed drastically. It seems to be deteriorating,” the man told Carl. “A lot of drug use, alcohol use, people getting into fights… It’s deteriorating pretty quick.”
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/11/04/3-charged-with-dealing-crack-occupy-boston-deteriorating/
In a large enough sample space, you are going to find some people of questionable character. 99% of the population is a pretty large sample space and your cherry picking in no way invalidates that the cause is just even if some of those seeking justice are just as questionable as those other criminals we are all seeking to address. Your post proves nothing but how desperate you are to smear when you cannot win in the face of facts and logic, Bdaman.
Squirm some more.
It only plays against you and your masters, not for you.
$10 million downtown fire
those evil bankers
The occupy protesters are good people. Protecting the rights of many.
Gilmore appears to be the same person who recently appeared before the Fort Collins City Council to ask that Occupy Fort Collins protesters be left alone. He was arrested for suspicion of first-degree arson, burglary and criminal mischief in the blaze that destroyed a condominium complex under construction and damaged a complex next door.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19264417
Burn Baby Burn
Bdaman,
From Daily Kos:
“This poll differs from an earlier poll showing a plurality supportive of OWS movement. It will be interesting to see if subsequent polls confirm a shift away from support of the OWS movement. Hopefully not.”
In other words, if you’re claiming that the majority of Americans disapprove of OWS? You’re simply lying again. Your referenced poll shows nothing of the sort.
Do you even know what a plurality is? Or how polling works? I kind of doubt it or you wouldn’t be thumping your chest quite so hard.
A plurality is the most votes for any choice in an election, but not necessarily a majority. It’s a fluctuation of trend that is to be expected as Americans seek to become more informed on the underlying issues – a process which, oddly enough, your referenced poll also mentions. “Large percentages of blacks (43%); hispanics (42%); and those aged 18-34 (45%) haven’t heard enough, but majorities of those who have heard enough in all three groups are favorable (35%, 32% and 30% respectivley).”
Yeah, the times they are a changin’, but just not in the way you’d like to steer them with your propaganda defense of the Wall Street criminals.
You need to learn to lie better and about how polling works to try that tactic.
Now come on and tell us again about how the millions of victims of Wall Street’s crimes are responsible for the current situation instead of the criminals themselves.
Lapdog.
For you Gene
Gene Gene Gene October 19th this is November son. Catch up or you will always be behind.
Oct 19 2011, 9:22 AM ET
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/poll-most-americans-support-occupy-wall-street/246963/
Thu Nov 03, 2011 at 05:50 PM PDT
Latest poll on Occupy Wall Street Movement
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/03/1033010/-Latest-poll-on-Occupy-Wall-Street-Movement?via=siderecent
Come on. While you’re lying about what the majority wants, why don’t you tell us how she was dressed again and asking for it while you’re at it, “ace”
By the way, you’d trample the rights of millions for the perceived rights of your few in order to help corporate criminals to avoid prosecution? Well, I guess that makes you an oligarchical plutocratic fascist dictator then, wouldn’t it, Bdaman? A boot licking toady and lap dog of the wealthy criminals who would rather millions be deprived of justice than pay the societal costs of bringing the guilty to bar. Societal costs that were created by the situation caused by said criminals in the first place and not their victims.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one and the many are comprised of a whole buncha ones.
“The fact of the matter is those who oppose this movement are the majority ace.”
And that’s evidenced by what exactly?
Your say so and the arrogance that you speak for the majority, Bdaman?
“A new survey shows that Americans overwhelmingly support the self-styled Occupy Wall Street protests that not only have disrupted life in Lower Manhattan but also in Washington and cities and towns across the U.S. and in other nations. Some 59 percent of adults either completely agree or mostly agree with the protesters, while 31 percent mostly disagree or completely disagree; 10 percent of those surveyed didn’t know or refused to answer.
What’s more, many people are paying attention to the rallies. Almost two-thirds of respondents–65 percent–said they’ve heard “a lot” or “some” about the rallies, while 35 percent have said they’ve heard or seen “not too much” or “nothing at all” about the demonstrations.
The results appear in the latest edition of the United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/poll-most-americans-support-occupy-wall-street/246963/
Come on. While you’re lying about what the majority wants, why don’t you tell us how she was dressed again and asking for it while you’re at it, “ace”.
Ha ha ha so you will trample the rights of one for your perceived millions. The fact of the matter is those who oppose this movement are the majority ace.
Showing that by being concerned about the rights of millions of individuals over the rights of a few hundred that I’m somehow not concerned about individuals?
What has been shown is that I care about individuals on a far larger scale than you do, Mr. Defender of the 1% Criminals.
The only thing you’ve shown is your true colors.
The colors of an apologist for criminals.
And I know I’ll be waiting. Probably forever. Because you can’t prove that your logic on OWS isn’t corollary to the logic that the followers Gandhi were responsible for the conditions leading to the Indian revolution and not the British Raj for being occupiers because it’s exactly analogous to blaming the followers of Gandhi for the conditions leading to the Indian revolution instead of the British Raj – where the blame and causation rightfully belongs.
Your logic is the same logic that blames a rape victim for their own rape.
“She was asking for it! Look how she was dressed!”
Nice job.
Keep waiting
No nerve Gene just showing you that you don’t care about individual rights.
What do the truck drivers of these trucks have to do with the banks Gene. I guess they are more of the support staff you talk about and they must be punished because they are evil doer’s
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