As fellow law professor sent me this video of Oakland police shooting a photographer. The video raises serious questions of the unjustified use of force.
In the video, the police appear to be standing without challenge when, around the 33 second mark, an officer suddenly shoot a photographer who is a good distance from the police line.
I cannot imagine the claim of justification in this case when the use of rubber bullets present significant potential harm to citizens, as shown below.
Kudos: Professor Alberto Bernabe (John Marshall Law School)
Source: Lowering Bar
One judgement in the favor of Occupy, waiting for the appeal.
Occupy protesters regroup in NYC
How do you feel about the eviction of Occupy Wall Street protesters from NYC park?
A violation of their constitutional rights to peaceful protest
26%
They were squatting in public park and needed to go
72%
Not sure
2%
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57324871/occupy-protesters-regroup-in-nyc/
Mike S:
the history of the last century is replete with stories of industry and government in a cabal of greed and graft. In my opinion the way to fix the problem is not with industry but with government. Clean up government and put honorable people in those 535 offices who will tell companies to go fuck themselves when they come to DC with their hand(s) out(s) and the problem is gone.
Mike S:
I dont have a problem with government, I have a problem with a government which thinks it is a good idea to spend billions on people who failed to run their companies properly.
Mike S:
I didnt say you were a Marxist or an anarchist or a member of the Weather Underground. You also dont seem like a 60’s retread.
I agree with some of the grievances these people have especially the part about bailing out wall street.
I am well aware of the history behind the French Revolution. Robespierre and Rousseau are not my cup of tea. Neither were hardly in the same vein as Locke or Jefferson (and yes I know he supported the French revolution in the beginning but he came to regret having supported it).
You have plenty of control for choosing candidates, get involved in local politics. You would be surprised at the number of little old ladies who play large roles in local politics with wide ranging consequences to the nation. You have to get by those people first. Maybe their pickers arent so good and a guy like you could choose candidates with core values instead of the mealy mouthed putzes we typically get.
Examination of the Scott Campbell’s film, the frame of the instant before he was shot will likely reveal the shooter. I hope so and I hope the shooter gets the book thrown at him.
What Mike said. The power of small groups in strategic places has immense influence. Like the mosquito in a dark room.
“The French revolution was a bunch of sick pukes with a big blade and had nothing to do with liberty. They only encouraged Napoleon. And I dont see the connection between this and the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement was a legitimate response to a great injustice. Not being rich is not an injustice it is a choice.
The proper place for the problems in this country to get ironed out is the ballot box with an informed populace voting for political and economic freedom. Not a bunch of neo-Marxists and anarchists with 60′s retreads trying to bring back the glory days of the Weather Underground.”
Bron,
You are the Marie Antoinette of this blog. I know you read history but despite your intelligence you simply get it wrong. This is also true for your understanding of economics. The French Revolution came about because the Aristocracy in France had made things intolerable not only for the peasants but for the merchant/guild classes. They further exacerbated things by their conspicuous consumption. That they went off track was only a function of the fact that violent revolution often begets people whose anger leads them to revenge rather than healing. Napoleon actually did many good things but his ego betrayed him.
As for the 60’s quite frankly you don’t know anything but stereotypical cant, I lived it. You’ve proven time and again that you don’t understand.just who are Marxists, anarchists, etc. As for the Weather Underground, they were a tiny group obsessed with cultic psychopathy and whose only standing among the movement was that bestowed by the press and Cointelpro in order to disparage
the rest of us. I take it that you would feel unfairly besmirched if I were to lump you in with the White Supremacists who share some of your same views about the government.
As for the Civil Rights Movement being a legitimate response to a great injustice you are ideologically blinded to the economic injustice visited upon this nation by your Corporatist heroes. This country is reeking with injustice and unfortunately from your economically comfortable perch you choose to ignore it and blame the victims for not working hard enough. Now as far as voting goes that makes for nice platitudes, but with the Corporate Media acting like Pravda and the billions spent to rig political campaigns, the problem arises with our quite limited ability to choose candidates who would redress the imbalances that can destroy this country.
Even newer news. Mayor Bloomberg has announced he is going to ignore the order of the court. Now lets see if the judge has the cojones to cite the mayor for contempt and send him to Rikers Island for a meaningful visit if indeterminate length.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/15/judge-issues-restraining-order-against-zuccotti-park-evictions/
BREAKING NEWS – Judge Orders Protesters Be Allowed Back in Park With Their Belongings. The judge issued his ruling about three hours ago.
Source with story: http://nlgnyc.org/2011/11/15/press_rel_libert/
Bron, once more you are shoveling vast quantities of that famous barnyard product. Your lack of understanding of the psychology of the markets and of the 1% is staggering. They are motivated by greed, will not give anything back they are not forced to, and those regulations do things like protect the rest of us from the robber barons.
Otteray Scribe:
the problem is government control/regulation of markets.
The economic oppression is a direct result of governments economic policies. Granted a good deal of lobbying went into passing them but the problem is not the 1% it is the 535.
The French revolution was a bunch of sick pukes with a big blade and had nothing to do with liberty. They only encouraged Napoleon. And I dont see the connection between this and the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement was a legitimate response to a great injustice. Not being rich is not an injustice it is a choice.
The proper place for the problems in this country to get ironed out is the ballot box with an informed populace voting for political and economic freedom. Not a bunch of neo-Marxists and anarchists with 60’s retreads trying to bring back the glory days of the Weather Underground. Look how well that worked out, we got Nixon and over 10 years of wage and price freezes along with oil shortages.
NYPD raiders roust OWS rabble
* 1,000 cops boot Zuccotti mob * Arrests as ‘anarchists’ resist
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_raiders_roust_rabble_Dp5jSkaFLwGXYElqsxsWjO#ixzz1dmO1fNQv
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Elaine M..
Your response is well appreciated and understood. I wish more folks male or female had the ability to rein in the reigns as they exist today. I also appreciate the time and effort you put into your response….rather just post a link and expect folks to understand what it means, you give just a little non-partisan information.
Thank you and I have read about her and think she is an upstanding person …..woman or not….. gender, race or political party…is not a factor that determines nor should justify respect….
There are homeless, mentally ill, drunks and all kinds of people wandering around. Who knows?
Exactly !!!!!!!!
This is why for the movement to gain any respect they need to disband to filter those people out including the anarchist. These people are creating bad images for the movement whether or not the police encourage the homeless, sex offenders, mentally ill or who ever to go there or not. In other words it’s bad publicity.
Yesterday, I watched a TV special on the civil rights movement. Many of the people in the story I know personally, such as Circuit Court Judge Marcus Gordon, reporter Jerry Mitchell, and a number of others. As I watched the stories unfold, I could not help but think of the parallels between that and the current OWS movement. Also, there have been many similar mass movements over history where the downtrodden and poor have risen up and thrown off the chains of oppression, whether it be physical or economic.
Now, as back then, there are those who are naysayers and minimizers; those who would be enablers for the 1%. And now, as then, the naysayers will find themselves becoming more and more irrelevant.
And in re to Climate Change, some are saying that the IPCC is beginning to right the ship.
Mixed messages on climate ‘vulnerability’
The IPCC draft, which has found its way into my possession, contains a lot more unknowns than knowns. When you get down to specifics, the academic consensus is far less certain. The draft gives even less succour to those seeking here a new mandate for urgent action on greenhouse gas emissions, declaring: “Uncertainty in the sign of projected changes in climate extremes over the coming two to three decades is relatively large because climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variability”. –Richard Black, BBC News, 13 November 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15698183
shano:
“(Do you get a tax break for your hobbies?)”
if your hobby can make money and you intend to make money, you can get a tax break. Anyone can. For example, I used to tie trout flies and I fished. I would sell some and I intended to make a profit, I could write off the cost of my supplies. If I took people fishing as a guide I could have written off my equipment as a business expense.
If people arent writing their hobbies off, they need to look into the possibility. These laws are on the books but rich people can afford the legal talent that allows them to do this type of thing and it is all perfectly legal.
The problem is that the 99% do not have access to the same tax information rich people do unless they do a good deal of homework and spend some money on books and tapes. It is funny that in a country which has taken the monogram US and turned it into a dollar sign $ that more people are ignorant of the value of knowledge of money and finance/economics.
the problem isnt the 1% it is the ignorance of the 99%. Most people do not understand money and business properly (not saying I do because I am part of the 99%) which prevents them from having more of it [money].
I have no idea who that was. That kind of thing is not what the GA at the OWS gatherings advocate, and in fact they actively oppose. Cities are big places. There are homeless, mentally ill, drunks and all kinds of people wandering around. Who knows?
If it is an insignificant movement, then how come it is getting so much press?
What press ? The only reason they are getting any attention right now is because they are clearing them out. I watch the nightly news at 6:30. Up until now they were barely mentioned. Google Occupy Wall Street, Click news, videos, pics, on the side bar. Tell me what you get. Going back to FB I just looked again. For every Occupy listing there is an anti listing. Sorry O.S. it is what it is.
If you didn’t watch the video above it’s a guy defecating in the street. Thats disgusting. Why would someone do that? Please don’t tell me he was an agent provocateur.