China has continued its assault on free speech with the sentencing of human rights dissident jails dissident Chen Xi for 10 years. This week, another human rights advocate, Chen Wei, was sentenced to nine years.
The crime was simply advocating democratic reforms in online essays. Chen Xi, 57, was accused of more than 30 political essays and detained since November 29th. His Guizhou Human Rights Forum was declared an illegal organization.
The Chinese government is concerned that democracy is breaking out in places like the Middle East and desperately want to avoid freedom taking hold among the Chinese.
Source: Guardian
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Prof,
So sorry for posting this gargantuan comment. It will be my last to this guy; I promise. I think he’s just a Troll anyway but ……..well I have no excuse.
1bzzd1,
You know; I have argued with some of the most pigheaded Conservatives about this subject. I have found them immovable (as of yet) but I have never been involved with a “so-called Liberal” who has such a naive outlook or such childish ideas about this country or the political system.
You come here and proceed to defend the political system and claim that all we need to do is be good Democrats and Obama will make all well again. Just tweek the system a bit here and there and we will all be free.
Such foolishness.
I have however decided to try one more time to show you the error in your thinking.
I have combined your last two comments from this thread and the Montana thread so as to bring all of your foolish beliefs, disrespectful accusatons and contradictory statements to one place for disection.
First:
“And in my view Obama has fought the war in a way that Lincoln would be very proud. (I’ll save the enumerations for another time).”
Oh? Was Lincoln a sellout to the Fascists as well? Did Lincoln support legislation that denyed the people their Constitutional rights? Did he agree to sign a law that allows the Government to indefinitely imprison American citizens without due process as specified in the Constitution. Did Lincoln express his belief that he ; as President had the right to order the assassination of American citizens? Did Lincoln propose legislation to help the people and then back down from the fight to pass that legislation? Did Lincoln fail to invoke the fourteenth amendment when congress refused to take action to save our economy?
The answer to all of these questions is no. He did not. The action of suspending habeus corpus while still wrong, unnecessary and unconstitutional; was a temporay measure used during a conflict that was a conventional war. While still abhorant to any free American; it was a long way ffrom the Patriot Act and the NDAA. These laws have no end. They are designed to permanently take our rights and freedoms and allow Fascist Police Reign.
I believe Lincoln would have been disappointed and ashamed of Obama’s performance as President as are most of those who originally supported him. I am not sure what state of extreme gullibility you are living in but if you still believe in Obama or any other candidate who could concievably become President; again; you are missing the point. You would strain out the gnat yet let the camel pass through.
The Corporate Power Structure that (now pay attention because this is important AND will no doubt offer you a veritable cornucopia of openings to make a case for my committal.).
The Corporate Power Structure i.e. the 1%; the Super-Wealthy; those who must not be named; the architects of the New World Order; call them what you will; it doesn’t change who they are or the power they wield. Let’s just call them the NWO for purposes of our conversation; shall we? It’s clear, concise and tells the truth; something the others don’t quite do.
The NWO; who pay both parties; yes that is correct; they pay both parties. Now I don’t know all of the firms that make up this group but i do know this. if you look at the list of the top 10 contributors to the campaigns of Barak Obama and several republican candidates you will see the truth of my accusation As a matter of fact; this comment is already going to be a damned book so why not just show you the lists.
Mitt Romney – Top ten Contributors Rick Perry’s Top ten Contributors
Goldman Sachs $354,700 Ryan LLC $197,800
Credit Suisse Group $195,250 Murray Energy $66,803
Morgan Stanley $185,800 USAA $51,500
HIG Capital $176,500 Contran Corp $50,000
Barclays $155,250 Ernst & Young $45,300
Kirkland & Ellis $129,100 Clayton Williams Energy $43,300
Bank of America $121,500 State of Texas $41,750
PricewaterhouseCoopers $118,250 Occidental Petroleum $36,000
EMC Corp $117,300 McNa Dental Plans $28,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $109,750 Global Mine Service Inc $27,500
The Villages $92,500 Primoris Services $27,500
Vivint Inc $88,250 Allen, Boone et al $27,500
Sullivan & Cromwell $78,750 Reschini Group $27,500
Marriott International $75,837 JPMorgan Chase & Co $27,050
Bain Capital $69,500 Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP $27,000
Herman Cain’s Top ten Contributors Newt Gingrich’s Top Ten Contributors
Wausau Homes $9,800 Rock-Tenn Co $25,000
Wells Fargo $8,300 Poet LLC $17,000
Houston Texans $7,400 First Fiscal Fund $15,000
Cold Spring Granite $6,000 State Mutual Insurance $10,000
Cinco Natural Gas $5,200 American Fruits & Flavors $10,000
Ggam LLC $5,000 Windway Capital $9,600
Barron Collier Comp $5,000 Streck Inc $7,500
Third Security $5,000 Blackstone Group $7,000
Whitaker Oil $5,000 Richardson Properties $7,000
Wynn Resorts $5,000 Wirco Inc $6,000
Creative Dimensions $5,000 Wells Fargo $5,900
JM Smucker Co $5,000 AFLAC Inc $5,000
Hilton Hotels $5,000 J Smith Lanier & Co $5,000
Infinity Oil & Gas $5,000 American Solutions PAC $5,000
Ames Research Laboratory $5,000 Clark Consulting $5,000
Arb Corp $5,000 United Health Services $5,000
Fox, Paine & Co $5,000 Citizens United $5,000
Greenhill & Co $5,000 Alticor Corp $5,000
Jones Petroleum $5,000 McKenna, Long & Aldridge $5,000
Neuroimaging Centers $5,000 Usfs $5,000
Ron Paul’s Top Ten Contributors John McCain’s Top Ten Contributors 2008
US Air Force $23,437 Merrill Lynch $375,895
US Army $23,053 JPMorgan Chase & Co $343,505
US Navy $16,973 Citigroup Inc $338,202
Mason Capital Management $14,000 Morgan Stanley $271,902
Microsoft Corp $13,398 Goldman Sachs $240,295
Boeing Co $10,620 US Government $202,929
Google Inc $10,391 AT&T Inc $201,938
Lockheed Martin $9,507 Wachovia Corp $199,663
Overland Sheepskin $9,500 UBS AG $187,493
IBM Corp $8,294 Credit Suisse Group $184,153
US Government $8,207 PricewaterhouseCoopers $169,400
Corriente Advisors $7,500 US Army $169,020
Greenstreet Co $7,500 Bank of America $167,826
AT&T Inc $7,329 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $160,346
Northrop Grumman $7,022 Blank Rome LLP $155,226
Intel Corp $6,855 Greenberg Traurig LLP $147,437
Federal Express Corp $6,255 US Dept of Defense $146,356
United Technologies $6,115 FedEx Corp $131,974
DUNN Capital Management $6,000 Lehman Brothers $126,557
Entergy Corp $5,950 Ernst & Young $114,506
Top McCain 2007 Contributors
1 Citigroup Inc (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $145,050******
2 Blank Rome LLP – (attorneys) $141,400
3 Greenberg Traurig – (1750 lawyers) $129,987
4 Merrill Lynch(BOA) (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $119,675
5 Goldman Sachs (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $111,050*******
6 IDT Corp – (telecommunications) $80,150
7 Pinnacle West Capital $77,850
8 Bank of New York Mellon (Subprime Scandal) $74,000
9 JP Morgan Chase & Co (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $72,100*********
10 Irvine Co Apartment Community $68,400
11 Broadcasting Media Partners $67,800
12 MGM Mirage $66,100
13 Credit Suisse Group $63,350
14 Lehman Brothers (Subprime Scandal) $61,450
15 Bridgewater Assoc $58,300
16 Cisco Systems $56,850
17 Triwest Healthcare Alliance $54,250
18 FedEx Corp $52,100
18 Wachovia Corp (Subprime Scandal) $52,100
20 Morgan Stanley – (Subprime Scandal) (Class 3 asset questions) $51,950*********
Isn’t President Obama the recipient of the largest campaign donations made by “big business” in all of history?
RE: Now look at the stellar record of the President and let’s see who runs his party.
Barak Obama’s Top Ten Contributors Barak Obama’s Top Ten Contributors
2011 2008
Microsoft Corp $170,323 University of California $1,648,685
Comcast Corp $116,155 ******Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $94,225 Harvard University $878,164
Google Inc $90,166 Microsoft Corp $852,167
University of California $83,679 Google Inc $814,540
DLA Piper $79,375 ******JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Chopper Trading $64,815 ******Citigroup Inc $736,771
Skadden, Arps et al $64,162 Time Warner $624,618
Stanford University $62,928 Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Ballard, Spahr et al $61,300 Stanford University $595,716
Time Warner $60,050 National Amusements Inc $563,798
US Government $57,430 WilmerHale LLP $550,668
National Amusements Inc $57,100 Columbia University $547,852
Latham & Watkins $54,582 Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
Arnold & Porter $51,200 UBS AG $532,674
*****Goldman Sachs $49,124 IBM Corp $532,372
Exelon Corp $48,625 General Electric $529,855
Mayer Brown LLP $46,700 US Government $513,308
Bank of America $46,699 Morgan Stanley $512,232
Columbia University $45,097 Latham & Watkins $503,295
You will note that the same huge banks and military industrial companies support both republicans and Democrats. Ask yourself; why would a big corporation support both sides unless they expected to get what they want from either side.
Goldman-Sachs, Morgan Stanley, BOA, Lockheed, Northrup-Grumman, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, J. P. Morgan Chase and Co. A
All complicit in the sub-prime mortgage scandle or part of the Military Industrial Complex.
So since both sides are paid by the same people; who do you think they both owe their loyalty to?
Just the Republicans?
I don’t believe it. You shouldn’t either. The proof is before you in black and white. Both parties are in the power and pay of the NWO. Both will do the will of the NWO.
Second:
“Surely you are not so far gone in your psychotic rants that you don’t see that nearly every major disfunction of the past few decades has its roots in the Republican Party?”
Ah but you see; you are wrong. Why; many days all i do is roam around the streets mumbling about the culpability of both parties Then just for a hoot i go and sream in the face of some happless passerby about the NWO and how the sky is falling and how I hate okra.
Of course I’m that far gone you innocent. You better get that far gone pretty quick too. it is only too obvious that both (read that BOTH) parties have been complicit in the destabilization of this country. Niether is blameless. Why? How do we know? Because they are both paid by the same people. Get it?
Third:
“Never mind the fact that it is not Washington that is broken but the Republican/Tparty (with your help) that is breaking it.”
Oh how sentimental you are. And see how he defends Washington as if it hasn’t been obvious to Everyone that Washington was broken. Not just now but for decades. They have written books about it Films have been made about it. people have been complaining about it for decades. Since the sixties and seventies at least. I was there. I remember. I suspect you haven’t had enough time to have a good overview of the history of these issuues. Not your fault. Age and experience are hard earned.
Fourth:
“You may recall the words of your lord and savior, Ronald Regan, …”gov’t is the problem.” , a notion you seem to share.
You know; i find it odd that you would accuse me of right-wing sympathy. It is you who insists on maintaining and supporting the same old system that has brought us here isn’t it. yes I am sure I recall you saying that; wait one.
“Never mind the fact that it is not Washington that is broken.”
Yes; I thought so.
Fifth:
“AMS. so far you offer nothing. In fact it seems to me you are either a shill for the R/Tparty or so clueless that you are unwittingly doing their dirty work. Show me once where you have offered anything that even remotely suggests what to do about this broken system.”
If we all got together and really talked. Tea Party; OWS; Right and Left; and figured out what we have in common; I believe we would discover that we all agree about the most essential problem. Corporate corruption and Government based on Corporate Greed instead of American Need.
Then we could all ……………………
(NOTE) work to move the American people to the Non-violent Occupation of America that must come
……………………..if we are to survive and get the chance to discuss whether we want more or less regulations etc. etc. etc.
The manner and tone can be controlled and hopefully will be but the time is fast approaching
when the American people will remember what it says. They will enact that piece
of the Declaration. They will design change. Good or Bad. It is coming.
Exerpt from the Declaration of Independence:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
(Note this passage in particular)
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Now if I don’t support the old political system (as you do)
And I make staements such as these:
(NOTE) work to move the American people to the Non-violent Occupation of America that must come
the time is fast approaching when the American people will enact that piece
of the Declaration. They will design change. Good or Bad. It is coming.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
(Note this passage in particular)
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
What do you think I believe we should do. Occupy. Occupy the nation. Mobilize the people to Occupy and Occupy and stay until our demands for an end to private polirical conrtributions are granted. Occupy doesn’t mean just go down to Wall Street and protest. Occupy means Occupy; take possesion of; control. The time to ask the politicians for thrir help is past. They will give no help. Any of them. The time has come for the hundreds of millions of Americans to get up and occupy America.
As i have said before the only way worthwhile change ever occurs is through a grassroots movement of the people. Womens rights, Civil rights, Emancipation, (the amendment not the proclamation), Gay rights. All were gained through the physical Movement of the people and their willingness to Occupy the streets of America to force the changes they deemed necessary to provide equal rights for all Americans.
The changes will not come through Congress or the Supreme Court and certainly not from the President.Any President. They will only come by the unmoving will and voice of the people.
Sixth:
“Show me once where I said the system wasn’t broken?”
OK, again: “Never mind the fact that it is not Washington that is broken.”
And here: “The issue isn’t that the system is broken, corrupt, unfair (as is life itself).
Now here you state that the system may be broken; but that isn’t a problem. And that we should just lay back and accept it because such is life.
(And I’m a Republican shill?)
Seventh:
“So I gather in your view this conversation on Mr. Turley’s site is not about expressing views, searching for solutions to problems that touch upon us all, but rather a kind of verbal joust to he who can best strike the other with one liners and insults, or clever threads of reasonoing that have no connection with reality..”
In my view; I am here to speak about real problems and solutions. I am not here as you apparently are to speak about and put forward little fantasies of Heroic Democrats and Bad old Republicans. I am not here to try to talk people into inaction as you are. I am not here to discuss political solutions whose time has past. the Republicans don’t want to break the Government. They are the Government. Even when they are out of power; they wield enough control to excert their will as they have proved over the past three years.
No; the Republicans don’t want to end this political system. It works for them. What they want is to turn this into a nation of corporate slaves by taking our rights, decreasing wages for the 99% while decreasing taxes on the 1%. Really this should be obvious to anyone. They want a Police State and as long as they have plenty of people like you who are willing to smile and nod just because a man wears a Label that says “Democrat” and claims to want to help you; they will surely get it. They have already begun and you have shown yourself too willing to help them as follows:
Eighth:
“But the issue becomes a bit more complex when the very system you hope to preserve is threatened by its very own laws and principles.”
“Going against our basic laws and principles to preserve those same laws and principles is fraught with great danger and potential for abuse even if we can image times when it seems necessary”
In what world of “I can have it anyway I want it” do you live? This country was founded as a free country with a constitution to protect our rights and freedoms.
You don’t take those rights and freedoms away to make it easier to catch a few criminals. Terrorists are like any other criminal. it doesn’t require the Police entering my house without a warrant or randomly checking my ID and charging me with obstruction of justice when i refuse to show it. the problem is that too many people are willing to allow these actions in the name of National Security or crime reduction or some other equally self defeating reason. And you have now shown that you are one of those people. Sure; go ahead and take away my rights …as long as you protect me from terrorists. What kind of cowardly attitude is that. If you don’t have the balls to fight for your freedoms; to stand with the 99% of the people who are not willing to just give up and bend over; to take a stand for freedom and refuse to accept Fascism; the least you could do is to not go around trying to turn others into cowards as well by spreading your defeatism and childish perception of what is going on in this country today.
The Founding Fathers wrote and ratified the Constitution to protect us from people just like you; Little Man. People who were too afraid to defend their own rights or are here as a tool of the right to discourage real Americans from standing up as Americans should ne must if we are to become free again.
Ninth:
“ams: If your point is do prove you are not on a “psychotic rage” (your words, not mind) with your rant, it didn’t work.”
I will submit myself to the judgement of the other commentors here but I am pretty sure that my last comment could in no way be construed as a rant.
Tenth:
“But, pardon me, and just where did I say or suggest your disability is psychologically related?”
You didn’t say that in so many words but I believe the tone of this comment speaks for itself; or it would if I would let it. But of course……..
1zb11, December 27, 2011 at 4:07 pm
AMS{you poor deluded old fool}:
I hope you get your disability real soon.{I really want you to believe I’m your friend and I only want the best for you}
I get your angry{I feeel your pain},
but anger only goes so far {let me see just how condescending, patronising and disrespectful I can be and explain how life works and how your angry state of mind is not getting you anywhere}.
The issue isn’t that the system is broken, corrupt, unfair{if i contradict my earlier statement and trick you into believing I agree with you; you may be fooled into thinking I know something}
(as is life itself){now if I wax philosophic you might believe I am a deep thinker}.
The issue is what you do about it besides rant. {maybe I can convince this old fool that he is out of control by saying he is ranting}
Eleventh:
“Guess what “The battle that we face today” IS against the Republican/Tparty.”
I won’t bother to dignify this sad statement of naiveté and childish wonder by answering it again.
Twelfth:
“The dam is breaking and you want play pattycake with can’t we all just get along with the folks who want to take us back to the dark ages because the world is a little bit more complicated and nasty then suites you. Are you so completely clueless of the history of 3rd parties in this country. Read my lips, can you say Ross Perot and Ralph Nader. BTW: if you came up for a reality check sometime you would find there actually are quite a few 3rd, 4th, 5th, and to the N parties.”
Are you illiterate or just a troll who refuses to acknowledge my words and insists on twisting them ne reversing them with every breath you take to attempt to create the impression that it is I and not you who are supporting the Republican Party in their attempt to become the only party?
Thirteenth:
“FYI: Not every 1%er is part of the evil empire.”
And now; as if to confirm the accusation; you say something like this. Defending the 1%? Surly that wasn’t in the “How to talk like a Liberal” Handbook you read before taking this part on; now was it?
Fourteenth:
“BTW: I am all for fixing up a rotten system, I would just rather start from the present circumnstances then trying to fix it after we are taken back to pre-Paleolithic period favored by the Republican/Tparty and apparently yourself.”
Just what the hell are you going on about? Do you have any idea how deep the corruption runs in our current political system? It runs Top to Bottom. You can’t patch a boat with a rotten hull and you can’t “fix up” a political system that has existed as a corrupt entity for as long as it has existed. We can’t leave the same guys in power and expect a positive result.
Insanity- Doing the same thing; over and over; and expecting a different result.
Now if we can get the private money out of politics; perhaps some of the current crew will prove to be of such a nature that they wanted to vote to benefit the people and the country but were prevented by their owed loyalty to the Corporate Power Structure. So much the better but each would have to prove him/her self and first each would have to convince the people that they are willing to work honestly for the betterment of the nation.
But take on the fixer-upper? I think not. I realise of course that you can’t shut down the whole government and replace all the staff at once. Did you think that’s what i meant? Of course you did.
Fifteenth:
“Get that we are in triage. The first rule of triage is to save the ones you.”…..
Can. Save the ones you can. Isn’t that the word you so conveniently forgot at the end of that sentence? The first rule of triage is to save the ones you can. Right?
It is intended to be used by medical personel where multiple injuries of various types and severity occur. it is how medical proffesionals justify playing God. You treat those you think you can save and flush the rest as a bad bet.
I can see how you would like this analogy. You mean save the rights we can and let them take the rest. Yes How valient of you. How brave.
Sixteenth:
“The first rule of treatment is to stop the bleeding. And if you could see past your nonsense you would see that the kind of “Washington Doesn’t Work” politically correct media nonsense that you have bought into is really part of a willfull effort to make it not work to prove that “government is the problem”.Don’t you get their stratagey is to make government not work and you have bought it lock stock and barrel.”
{{I would just point out here that you contradicted yourself yet again on this question. Damn son; you flip-flop more than Mitt Romney. Are you sure you aren’t a Republican?}}
Anyway. What kind of lopsided logic is that? It might be Ok if the Government really wasn’t the problem. But the Government is the problem. The difference is that the Republicans believe that the problem is too much Government (or say they do) and I and many thousands or millions of others believe that the problem is the wrong Government. (not too much Government)
Seventeenth and Last:
“Which is it: are you a shill for the wacked out right or just too far gone in the delusions of chasing your windmills that you can’t see you are doing their dirty work. In either event you have offered up nothing but a lot of sounds but no words”
Which is it? Are you a Troll just looking to start arguments which you never intend to reach a conclusion and insult the person foolish enough to humor your particular brand of cowardly assault?
Or are you actually as naive and trusting as you seem? It almost seems impossible that anyone could seriously propose the things you do and make the contradictory statements that you make unless they were trying to look stupid and childish and naive and foolish and stupid and…………………………………………………..
Either way; our discussion is done. i don’t know which you are and I don’t care. If you are a Troll;……………………
And if you are just as foolish as you seem then I’ve done my best.
You know what they say: “You should never try to teach a pig to sing. You’ll frustrate yourself and irritate the pig”
AMS: I never said or suggested your disability was in any way related to a psychological condition (It never occured to me until you brought it up, and by the way, there is no shame in that) but your latest and previous comments have become increasingly incoherent and paranoiac.
Whatever the real basis of your disability I suggest you tell them you really are off your rocker. It will be easy for you to prove and you will probably get your disability a lot sooner. Good luck in getting that medication.
BTW: You promised Mr. Turley that last post would be your last post. I do hope you stand by your promise but don’t worry, I won’t be surprised if you do not.
angry
looks like you got a stalker or a dingleberry
(depending on you point of view)
oh pete (aka ams), you made a funny tee eee eee. must have scratched along time to come up with that.
Anyone who looks at our system and still sees two parties is living in denial.
Anyone who still believes either party’s rhetoric is allowing themselves to be lulled into believing they are doing what they need to do to save America but in truth they are doing exactly the thing that will destroy her.
Both parties are lying to you. Both seek to take your rights; your money; and your future.
Look outside the system. We do have a choice but we need to make the choice to fix what is wrong and clear what is corrupt.
AMS: I hope you get your disability real soon. I get you r angry, but anger only goes so far. The issue isn’t that the system is broken, corrupt, unfair (as is life itself). The issue is what you do about it besides rant.
1zb1,
“AMS: I hope you get your disability real soon.”
Thanks, I hope so too but whether I get my Disability has nothing to do with the corrupt political system. It’s more of a poorly designed administrative process.
if the system were clear of corruption today; I probably would not be getting my money any faster. Perhaps; down the road; the benefits of a new political system that was actually able to work to benefit the people would impact the waiting time and the appeals process but I guess what I really want to say is:
NO. I’m not just bitching because I am ticked about my wait for Disability.
“I get your angry, but anger only goes so far.”
So you get that I am angry and you think that the reason i wrote my previous comment is what? That I am angry? …………………about……………………………..my disability? What?
First of all I use “angryman” to indicate a principled anger; not a psychotic rage.
Despite your apparently gleefull notion of me as a slightly insane hermit living off in a cave somewhere mucking about in a permanent fury chewing bones and the like;
I wrote my previous comment on this thread because; after your lack-luster showing on the Montana thread the other night; I find you on this one trying to push the same old party line bull.
And yes; I did feel the need to comment in an attempt to draw you into open combat.
To no avail. Rather than a counter comment to argue the finer points of the issue or counter my assertions in some way; you come at me with this patronising, condescending quasi-paragraph of insincere concern and good wishes.
Imagine. you; patronising me. As if you possess even a modicum of political savvy or a drop of political awareness.
You are still hoping Barak Obama is the great Liberal Savior.
You have no notion of what is happening in your own country and after I explain to you the problem with your very limited view of the issues; an expalnation you were unable to challenge I might add;
rather than just saying “Thank You Mr. Angryman” and tottleing off to brush up on your Civics; you come back on a seperate thread; no doubt hoping not to meet me again and then when you discovered that I was not going to stand by and say nothing; you decide to suggest that I am in some way out of control?
Well; while it is true that your somewhat childish approach to politics and the discussion therof does anger me just a bit and your disrespectful comment of this evening more so; I am in no way out of control or mentally affected my my long wait for Disability.
“The issue isn’t that the system is broken, corrupt, unfair (as is life itself). The issue is what you do about it besides rant.”
Oh for God’s sake man. I thought we cleared this up the other night. You can keep saying the system isn’t broke as long as you want; much like Dorothy repeating “There’s no place like home”. The result will be much the same. None until you wake up from your dream.
The system is broke, corrupted, controled by the Big Corporate interests. And you call yourself a Liberal? I think not Sir. You are a Democrat. And there is a vast gulf between a Democrat and a Liberal.
A Liberal is free to examine issues without the Democratic Agenda Blinders that you wear. A Liberal is committed to a Philosophy; not a party.
Now I am sure you will complain and whine like a little girl that i attacked you personally but i think you have shown yourself deserving.
Now why don’t you call mommy and see if she won’t pay for those Civics lessons; and then come back when you can suggest real solutions and actions for the American people to take rather than expressing your own fear and cowardice to take real action by attempting to entice others to your course of concilliatory submission to the Corporate Machine and it’s political lackies.
ams: If your point is do prove you are not on a “psychotic rage” (your words, not mind) with your rant, it didn’t work. But, pardon me, and just where did I say or suggest your disability is psychologically related?
So I gather in your view this conversation on Mr. Turley’s site is not about expressing views, searching for solutions to problems that touch upon us all, but rather a kind of verbal joust to he who can best strike the other with one liners and insults, or clever threads of reasonoing that have no connection with reality..
Oh please, get a grip.
Show me once where I said the system wasn’t broken?
Show me once where you have offered anything that even remotely suggests what to do abou this broken system. A third party? Well we all know what happens with that? Throw them all out and start over again so we can throw out the new corruption? How about anarchy? In the mean time while you are busy ranting the most extreme form of the system you so dislike only benefits.
AMS. so far you offer nothing. In fact it seems to me you are either a shill for the R/Tparty or so clueless that you are unwittingly doing their dirty work.
You may recall the words of your lord and savior, Ronald Regan, …”gov’t is the problem.” , a notion you seem to share
The R/Tparty has become the party of the civil war days old south. Their battlcry, “States Rights” is the same. They are all about destroying an effective federal government which will leave them free to go back to exploiting people how the choose. When they are in power they do their best to make government ineffective. When they are out of power they do ther best to make it unworkable. When you and the media shout “Washington is Broken” that is music to their ears because the more you and the rest of the dodo’s think it so the more you are willing to tear it down or let it die. Never mind the fact that it is not washington that is broken but the Republican/Tparty (with your help) that is breaking it.
Surely you are not so far gone in your psychotic rants that you don’t see that nearly every major disfunction of the past few decades has its roots in the Republican Party?
So, from where I’m standing we are fighting the second civil war. It may not be a shooting war (yet) but its as close to the same ideas at issue today as it was then. And in my view Obama has fought the war in a way that Lincoln would be very proud. (I’ll save the enumerations for another time).
And just as a little reminder, Lincoln, too had to take many actions that as a matter of principle we would no doubt disparage today.
AMS, you go right ahead and continue to rant while the rest of us try to hold on to what sanity is left so when the work of making it better begins we don’t have to fight our way back from the dark ages.
Which is it: are you a shill for the wacked out right or just too far gone in the delusions of chasing your windmills that you can’t see you are doing their dirty work. In either event you have offered up nothing but a lot of sounds but no words.
Blouise
1, December 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm
“When your argument is weak, attack your opponent” (bettykath)…
No truer words ever uttered….Wow…
“When your argument is weak, attack your opponent” (bettykath)
Boy, is that the truth!
We see it in China, we see it in our own White House and Capitol Building, and we certainly see it in our Police.
(Occasionally, we even see it on this blog.)
“If that doesn’t scare the hell out of you then you are living in an altered universe disconnected from reality, and the next stop is the dark ages.”
We’ve seen this before. When your argument is weak, attack your opponent.
Bettykath, Blouise: I guess what you are trying to say is “When your argument is weak, attack your opponent by saying their argument is weak.” Boy oh boy what a great argument you have there.
Guess what, if you actually see no difference between what the parties represent, as imperfect as they may be and as imperfect and corrupt as our system is, then you really don’t have any argument at all.
Elect Rick Santorum and expect jail time for American bloggers.
Frankly, buying into the notion that one party is as bad as the other is factually wrong and the surest way to get the worst outcome. If you think its bad now wait until you get a Republican/Tparty controlled congress, president, and supreme court. If that doesn’t scare the hell out of you then you are living in an altered universe disconnected from reality, and the next stop is the dark ages.
Let’s hope that China is not coming to a blogsophere near you and I.
At the same time, let’s remember that the thugosphere wants that to happen.
Yes and both parties are doing a nice job of assembling the security apparatus that will be effective in crushing the inevitable results of this effort to make surfs of us.
We are the enablers every time we buy their junk. But make no mistake, as far as the Republican/tparty is concerned the only way to compete with China is to be more like them.
Destroy unions; take away regulations that protect workers, consumers, and the environment; lock up protesters. That is the agenda of the Republican/Tparty in their race to the bottom.