. . . so is the entire actual Jersey shore. A Princeton study has found that global warming is causing a rise in sea levels that is far greater and more accelerated than previously thought. The report predicts that the Jersey shore could be underwater in a matter of decades and low-lying areas thrashed by increasing storm surges.
The study of Princeton-based research group Climate Central forecasts an increase of three to four feet in water levels and that the danger of massive killer storms will double by 2030. On their site, you can pick an area to look at the potential damage.
Even if half of this rise in sea levels is realized, it would produce widespread damage within our lifetime. It will be interesting to watch those people denying this environmental trend swim out of that problem.
As for that more painful reality, my greatest concern is that Jersey Shore will then combine with Waterworld in a terrifying mutation that will lead millions to throw themselves into the sea to make it stop.
Source: CBS
Dredd and Bron,
if bron saw methane bubbles and the people on deep horizon were not idiots then why did the fucker deactivate the gas alarm system? And why was he and others not tried for criminal negligence if not manslaughter?
Secondly, I have a solution to energy recovery by methane hydrate capture.
It’s worth multi-billions, so give me 1 percent of the payoff per year and I’m satistied, payable after my death to a trust to my inheritors etc.
Through research develop a process for production of graphene sheets.
Develop an adhesive for making in the ocean gas tight splices between parallel sheets.
Develop a sheet laying system to be used in the gulf of mexico.
Develop a floating gas-line system for transporting the gas to landing facilities.
Develop and lay a system of collection systems, star net formed.
Declare them to be of national security status and guard them with mines to guard against naval incursion.
Develop animal intrusion, assure oxygenation needs by spacing or aeration systems, etc environmental safeguards.
etc,etc.
However, give some payoff to Obama or successor to assure your protection by the SS against “contract killers” hired by certain known opponents to this competition to oil.
Good luck. When you get it going, come back. I have several non-oceanic systems planned. Smile.
You seem to be “on topic challenged” because JT posted, inter alia, this:
Dredd unless JT posted that in the COMMENT SECTION it doesn’t count.
I said
I’ve been waiting on comments on sea level rise and out of the 25 or so comments posted so far 3 are about sea level rise.
Dredd
Admire your equations but must say it should have 3 quantities.
X= input from sun.
Y= emission from earth
Z= retention due to different factors, such as gas effects, albedo, etc.
and a resulting temp rise or fall.
and of course other factors. but feel absorption/retention should be included.
So take it away professor Dredd.
idealist707 1, March 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Dredd,
why don’t they do as we computer people do—-put the zero before one, not after nine????
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Yeah, bit by bit baby!
CO2 /= CH4
CO2 /= CO2 + 2H20
CO2 = CO2
Mathodrene … gotta luv it …
ID:
apparently CH4 + 2O2 —-> CO2 + 2H2O
Bron 1, March 16, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dredd:
that methane hydrate is interesting stuff. I used to survey in the GOMex and would see these areas around the size of half a football field that had bubbles coming to the surface in pretty good quantities. Supposedly that was what was coming to the surface, methane from the sea floor.
What with all the methane being released world wide and it changing into CO2, how do you tell how much that methane contributes to CO2 increase and how much man made sources of methane, rice paddies, cows, etc, contribute to CO2 increase along with man caused CO2 production.
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Yes, that methane hydrate expands 164 times instantly, once the crystal lattice around the methane molecule liquefies.
That phenomenon took town the technically advanced rig Deepwater Horizon quite quickly, when they hit more methane hydrate than they could handle (hence the interest as a source of energy).
I don’t think methane turns into CO2.
The first thing for you and Bdaman to grasp is incoming photons. From the Sun. Which increases the Earth’s warmth by x degrees. Then grasp radiation of heat from the Earth that, in good times, is equal to y degrees, and glory be x=y.
Warm in x, warm out y, both equal, and we have good times.
When CO2 or any other green house gases increase to the point that input x becomes greater than radiation y, heat builds up.
Heat is warm, therefore, warming.
On a flat Earth, that is flatulent warming, on a globe it is global warming.
The record shows that denier flatulence, non-denier flatulence, cow flatulence, and all bullshit have never exceeded the x=y balance UNTIL …
the industrial revolution, the Earth coup, the rise of the ignorant, yes, the anthropogenic epoch, NOW (about two centuries).
The problem is that the x can no longer be matched by the y because we have too many gases of civilization acting as a “blanket”, a barrier to the radiation of heat away from our planet.
The indictment by Agent Orange (Boehner) of the farts of cows is a false charge, but the indictment of the farts of current industrial civilization is a true bill.
Snooki of Jersey shore does not know these things.
Gene:
I only have a superficial knowledge of the hydrologic cycle and I studied it in a class called hydrology.
There are so many aspects to the cycle you can understand the overall concept but not understand the whole thing. Just think about infiltration into the soil for one, how many different soils there are, grain size, chemical make up, all of those and many other properties govern infiltration of water into soil along with the surface and subsurface vegetation and its interaction with the soils. On top of that there is the underlying geology to understand so you can have an idea as to whether the soils are from sedimentary, metamorphic, igneous, etc. rocks.
Then there is the permeability of the soil which is an entire subject on its own.
So there are very few people who have a complex understanding of the hydrologic cycle. Just as there are very few people who have a complex understanding of climate change which is far more complex than the hydrologic cycle.
Dredd,
why don’t they do as we computer people do—-put the zero before one, not after nine????
Dredd,
“LIFE is a function of doing the things of life.” My therapist said that in different words. Love it.
as to storms, probably more. at any rate with the increasing density of pop at shorelines the damage will go up.
interested to know what is included in the type of woefully underestimated catastrophes????
Bron,
Why was this not checked. Of course ocean bottom outgasing is not significant in oil prospecting, it that was what you were doing.
And does the methane convert to CO2? (not you that said it) Doubt it. But is it important, that is instead the quadruple effect re CO2 re warming.
Interesting background you two must have.
But back to the shoreline etc. Did JT pose a question of legal or social type.
“not an increase of sea level by 3 or 4 feet by 2039”
oops … I meant to type “2030” …
idealist707 1, March 16, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Dredd
luna, of course do you think i’m a lunatic?
k-t, of course all us dinosaur lovers know that, more later on mineral layers worldwide supposedly confirming massive meteorite impact.
SCAD will read thanks.
and you see what happens when you come to the comments direct and don’t read the whole blog first.
For instance you mention JT saying:
“the sea level rise -based research group Climate Central forecasts an increase of three to four feet in water levels and that the danger of massive killer storms will double by 2030.”
Is such a rise reasonable in 18 years?
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None of this is “reasonable”, it is foreseeable based on the psychopathic behavior of a society of plutocrats that have the emotional constipation of Bdaman and his ilk.
But to get into some hermeneutics concerning JT’s post, I would say that he was in reference to massive killer storms doubling by 2030, not an increase of sea level by 3 or 4 feet by 2039.
But let me add that I do not consider either of those to be impossible or even improbable, because I have “done the google” on the phrases “greater than expected”, “more that expected”, “more than at first thought”, and similar English phrases.
In so doing I find that the entire spectrum of catastrophic incoming events have all been woefully underestimated for decades.
The reason is that people, including Bdaman, FEAR DEATH, which is fine, but it is not fine to FEAR DEATH while at the same time advocating and doing exactly those things that bring DEATH about, prematurely, or at all.
LIFE is a function of doing the things of life.
Dredd:
that methane hydrate is interesting stuff. I used to survey in the GOMex and would see these areas around the size of half a football field that had bubbles coming to the surface in pretty good quantities. Supposedly that was what was coming to the surface, methane from the sea floor.
What with all the methane being released world wide and it changing into CO2, how do you tell how much that methane contributes to CO2 increase and how much man made sources of methane, rice paddies, cows, etc, contribute to CO2 increase along with man caused CO2 production.
Bdaman and perhaps others including myself,
Buddha said. don’t get involved, otherwise reincarnation and always pain.
Koran says. don’t get intoxicated by ANYTHING. even life, riches, whatever.
Don’t get fixated and let it become too important.
What does it import? You tell me. Do you think I’m wise.?
Bron,
I’m still waiting for Bdaman to produce evidence I ever said weather isn’t climate. As for limbs, he’s on one scientifically every time he starts his denier spiel. I’m sure his understanding of the hydrological cycle is as superficial as his understanding of chemistry and complex systems.
Dredd
luna, of course do you think i’m a lunatic?
k-t, of course all us dinosaur lovers know that, more later on mineral layers worldwide supposedly confirming massive meteorite impact.
SCAD will read thanks.
and you see what happens when you come to the comments direct and don’t read the whole blog first.
For instance you mention JT saying:
“the sea level rise -based research group Climate Central forecasts an increase of three to four feet in water levels and that the danger of massive killer storms will double by 2030.”
Is such a rise reasonable in 18 years?
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Bdaman 1, March 16, 2012 at 4:29 pm
So we know precipitation plays a role in sea level. Obviously frozen participation included. Lets take a look and an icon Mt Kilimanjaro.
Saturday, March 19, 2011
Snows of Kilimanjaro defy global warming predictions
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Don’t rely on newspaper headlines like “snowpocalypse” because they are ginned up by hucksters and sensationalists.
Stay away from the duhpocalypse … take some community college courses instead, then …
get deep.
Nal your a denier http://www.eturbonews.com/21762/snow-slowly-building-mount-kilimanjaro
Bdaman,
Interesting, actually. the various scientists have my admiration, but who really knows. an off-topic question. when does the next ice age come?
And was the Carmen group report published after peer review in a respectable journa.?
As for satellite altimeters, doubtful, centimeters and milliimeters. don’t feel that their orbits are that constant although could be radar or laser checked. or transponder checked from 3 ground stations on a joint pass.
however how do they achieve such height resolution. not your area nor mine, so let that be an unanswered question.
I’ve always dabbled in things like that since i did a concept design of a nuclear explosion detection and magnitude deternining device in 1961.
Mike S,
Could you do some more pro bono work for our pal Bdaman on this on/off topic thingy? 😉
love ya bda …