. . . so is the entire actual Jersey shore. A Princeton study has found that global warming is causing a rise in sea levels that is far greater and more accelerated than previously thought. The report predicts that the Jersey shore could be underwater in a matter of decades and low-lying areas thrashed by increasing storm surges.
The study of Princeton-based research group Climate Central forecasts an increase of three to four feet in water levels and that the danger of massive killer storms will double by 2030. On their site, you can pick an area to look at the potential damage.
Even if half of this rise in sea levels is realized, it would produce widespread damage within our lifetime. It will be interesting to watch those people denying this environmental trend swim out of that problem.
As for that more painful reality, my greatest concern is that Jersey Shore will then combine with Waterworld in a terrifying mutation that will lead millions to throw themselves into the sea to make it stop.
Source: CBS
Continuing on Gene
Let us repeat this: at the time Bouwer joined the ranks of the IPCC’s best and brightest he had yet to complete his Masters. According to his university bio, his credentials are as follows:
Academic training
1995-2001: Master’s degree Physical Geography, Vrije Universiteit
The same year the IPCC report for which he’d served as a lead author was published, Bouwer finally earned this designation.
SPPI NOTE: What follows is a series of postings about the lack of qualifications of some key authors of past IPCC reports on climate — which reports are used by governments the world over to justify policy on anything from energy to “social justice” schemes for transferring wealth within and between nations.
Source: No Frakking Consensus
Notice the source Gene. So what you did was point to an article about how the IPCC can not be trusted because most have not recieved a PHD while working for the IPCC and the source they used is from a denier called no fakking consensus. Good One Gene
One not need a PHD to be right Gene.
You mean the same Laurens Bouwer who doesn’t have a Ph.D?
http://sppiblog.org/tag/laurens-bouwer
Yeah. I’m going to take what he says as seriously as I’m going to take what you or Breitbart would say, Bdaman.
If you’re going to appeal to authority?
You should make sure they are really an authority first.
Please sir we only want to deal with the facts. The fact is, every weather episode, be it rain, snow, sleet or hail that the alarmist tell us will only get worse with the increase of CO2, mainly due to the burning of fossil fuels just ain’t happening. THE FACTS, along with the DATA, show us this is not the case.
A 2010 paper in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society by Netherlands researcher Laurens Bouwer titled, “Have Disaster Losses Increased Due to Anthropogenic Climate Change?”,
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Studies that did find increases after normalization did not fully correct for wealth and population increases, or they identified other sources of exposure increases or vulnerability changes or changing environmental conditions. No study identified changes in extreme weather due to anthropogenic climate change as the main driver for any remaining trend.
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Here is what Bouwer concludes on the full set of 22 papers that he reviewed :
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The studies show no trends in losses, corrected for changes (increases) in population and capital at risk, that could be attributed to anthropogenic climate change. Therefore, it can be concluded that anthropogenic climate change so far has not had a significant impact on losses from natural disasters.
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http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010BAMS3092.1
http://imb.crrel.usace.army.mil/change.htm
Has it come to your attention that if you really aren’t trying to change people’s mind to accept your minority science position, then what you are engaged in is simply a form of mental masturbation? It’s bad enough that you present distorted arguments that have no relationship to the actual problem because you refuse to recognize the actual nature of the problem, but to lie about what you are attempting to do? And you expect people to honestly believe you aren’t trying to change their minds?
Please.
That’s some extraordinary bullshit even coming from you.
But as OS points out, that you fail to persuade anyone speaks to your lack of efficacy. Since you are so ineffective, perhaps you should examine both your “facts” and your persuasive presentation because both are clearly lacking.
Bron what are you smoking
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=03&fd=17&fy=1983&sm=03&sd=17&sy=2012
Bdaman:
What the hell is going on?
AP and The Washington Post reports:
“The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen , Norway .
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.”
Bron what is the old saying give a man a fish and he can feed himself. Teach a man to fish and he can feed his whole family.
Bron 1, March 19, 2012 at 7:59 am
Otteray Scribe:
“Has it not come to your attention, that in spite of the dozens of comments you have posted, you have not convinced another single solitary person?”
Has it come to your attention that we arent trying to change your mind?
Please sir we only want to deal with the facts. The fact is, every weather episode, be it rain, snow, sleet or hail that the alarmist tell us will only get worse with the increase of CO2, mainly due to the burning of fossil fuels just ain’t happening. THE FACTS, along with the DATA, show us this is not the case.
Otteray Scribe:
“Has it not come to your attention, that in spite of the dozens of comments you have posted, you have not convinced another single solitary person?”
Has it come to your attention that we arent trying to change your mind?
Bdaman:
great idea. Why not, we could get the Saudis to pay for it.
I dont know if you could process enough water to make a difference though. All the water ends up in the oceans eventually anyway, the land and the aquifers are just temporary storage devices.
You know as I was fishing today I was thinking about sea level rise while the boat was bobbing up and down. We know that the sea is rising, no question. The long term trend is, it’s been rising at a rate of 3.2mm per year according to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and I understand how it rises and as we’ve now seen fall 5mm in the 2010 to11. I just went back to the JPL website and they have adjusted the number from 6mm to 5mm in the last 24 hours with no explanation or update. Anyways, doesn’t matter, but here’s what I was thinking.
If the rise of the ocean is such great concern wouldn’t it make sense to open the drain. In other words, if you forget the tub is filing up and it’s about to over flow don’t you open the drain to let the water out so it doesn’t spill on the floor ? So why are we not pumping water out of the ocean on to land. Who are the people of the earth who could most benefit from this. The Africans could. Why have we not built water desalinization plants in Africa along the coast to provide those people with clean drinkable water if sea level rise is such a great concern. Not only would they have water to drink but water to irrigate. They could grow there own food. Could plant trees to suck up CO2. Could build huge man made lakes and build fish farms and feed themselves. Instead we let them starve and when it becomes a crisis we send them rice. Just sayin.
Maybe not here O.S. but there is a life outside of the JT Blog.
Dredd what does this blue line mean
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png
Melting at both poles. Dude what ever your smoking you need to market it.
Bdaman, you and your l’il buddy Bron are preaching to yourselves. A choir of two, if I might phrase it that way. No one except the two of you are paying attention to your denialism. Has it not come to your attention, that in spite of the dozens of comments you have posted, you have not convinced another single solitary person?
And your expert Mr. Hansen who said the West Side Hwy along the Hudson in NY should be underwater by now is running below even his best case scenario, scenario C even though CO2 is passed his so called safe zone. Red line equals actual and the graph is what was submitted to congress.
http://www.real-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ScreenHunter_39-Dec.-21-13.21.gif
“Events get worse depending on the degree of heat increase. When that degree reaches a critical amount, critical things witll happen.”
“We are now at a level of a little over 390 ppm. In spite of being above the so called safe zone of 350ppm established by one of the worlds most prominent experts on climate science.”
“You need to focus on temperature, not ppm, it is global warming, not global ppm. The ppm is not linked in time like heat is.”
Me “There has been no warming for the last 15 years”
First off Dredd are you familiar with the Hockey stick. As CO2 increases so does the temp. Does this look like the hockey stick.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001/trend
It is why Trenbreth said we cant account for the lack of warming and it’s a travesty we can’t. Then he found the missing heat at the bottom of the ocean, not.
So back to the question
” For the first time, the melting of glaciers in Greenland could now be measured with high accuracy from space. Just in time for the tenth anniversary of the twin satellites GRACE ”
We are doing it with accuracy now. No different than the accuracy of the satellite record for temps. We’ve only been doing that since the 70′s. Besides that, the satellites tell us the melt recorded was 240 gigatons of mass ice loss between 2002 and 2011. This equated to a rise in sea level of just 0.7mm per year. This is by far lower than the average rise of sea level over the long term record of 3.2mm. What is the total amount of gigatonnes of overland ice over Greenland. If the total was 300 gigs to start I would say that thats an alarming rate. Do you know how much the total is ?
and just in case you need a refresher
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-262
You never cite authority except yourself, and you are no authority.
What are you talking about Dredd I’ve already posted the link to it up thread you blew right past it.
Bdaman 1, March 17, 2012 at 5:56 am
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/haog-ic031412.php