Mississippi Burning Fuming: North Carolina Governor Lashes Out Against Ban On Same-Sex Marriage . . . And Mississippi

Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue of North Carolina raised some eyebrows in the South when she not only lashed out at her own citizens for an anti-same-sex marriage ban but adding that the measure made the state “look like Mississippi.” People in Mississippi were understandably put out by the notion that they are now an interchangable synonym with “backward,” “prejudiced,” and “frighteningly homophobic.”


The marriage ban vote was not close in North Carolina — passing by an overwhelming 62-to-38 percentage points. Perdue proclaimed

“It’s wrong for North Carolina, clearly, clearly and simply . . . People around the country are watching us, and they’re really confused. To have been such a progressive, forward-thinking, economically driven state that invested in education and that stood up for the civil rights of people, including the civil rights marches back in the ‘50s and ‘60s and ‘70s — folks are saying, ‘What in the world is going on in North Carolina?’ We look like Mississippi.”

That last comment did not go over well with Mississippians from both parties and frankly I thought was rather uncivil for a sister state. However, the defense from Ole Miss was almost as off-putting. It is notable that Mississippi Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves did not try to defend his state as committed to equal rights of any kind. Instead, he insisted that Mississippi is better for business because “[w]e are creating an environment which encourages the private sector to invest capital in Mississippi, and I would invite any North Carolina-based company wanting to move to a lower-taxed, less-regulated state to look at our business-friendly opportunities.” That sounds a lot like, we come for the lack of equal rights but stay for the lack of environmental protections and taxes. Notably, Mississippi has the lowest per capita income of any state as well as the lowest level of health care protection for its citizens. It has secured the top spot for most obese state, however. Yet, Reeves wants people to know that the state is also a leader in lacking environmental protections for its citizens.

I am not sure which is worse: the comparison by Perdue or the defense by Reeves.

Source: New Observer

52 thoughts on “Mississippi <del datetime="2012-05-14T11:18:52+00:00">Burning</del> Fuming: North Carolina Governor Lashes Out Against Ban On Same-Sex Marriage . . . And Mississippi”

  1. So, what benifits does the State get from marriage between two people of different sexes that it doesn’t get from one of two people of the same?

    Children! Duh. Future taxpayers/slaves. Then again, this example requires a cross reference of the cost of biologically producing a child versus the cost of adopting. Without doing any research, my initial thought is that biological would be more costly, which would mean more revenue to be taxed.

    Also depends where the child would be adopted from- a local US orphanage, all of whom are likely to grow up to be taxpayers anyway- or an out of country rescue type- increasing our taxpayer potential to even greater heights.

    All this rests on the assumption you wait until your married and established before you take on the responsibility of children.

  2. idealist, just want to try to explain why this Governor felt embarrassed about this.
    In a civilized society all people have the same rights. Civil rights.

  3. Marriage is a legal contract granted by the state for ITS benefit and reasons as well as the couple.

    Arthur,

    So, what benifits does the State get from marriage between two people of different sexes that it doesn’t get from one of two people of the same?

  4. ARE, at least I can leave an internet thread largely insult & assumption free.

    Mass as a society decided gay marriage would benefit its already fine social structure. Just the icing on the already good cake.

  5. Shano,

    I said previously that you are cooking on both burners.
    Now you are incandesceent.
    You are leading the beat’em to death with statistics league.

    Here is the big challenge. How can the other states play catch up? I know that is another ball game, But maybe you who has been different from the beginning here, can offer some novel or proven ideas.

    But don’t let me distract. Take it under consideration if you like.

    Maybe it might lead to the start of something useful.
    Be proud, Massachusets (sp) has reason to be.

    But being useful is good too. Am sure you agree.

  6. I just want them to stop following Louisiana down the wrong path:

    The US is the incarceration capital of the world. Our numbers exceed even China yet that’s acceptable. What exactly are we getting in return for this investment, dare I ask? Someone out there is profiting from this system but it’s not the country.

    How’s that prison system working out for you, Louisiana?
    Louisiana is the world’s prison capital. The state imprisons more of its people, per head, than any of its U.S. counterparts. First among Americans means first in the world. Louisiana’s incarceration rate is nearly triple Iran’s, seven times China’s and 10 times Germany’s.

    The hidden engine behind the state’s well-oiled prison machine is cold, hard cash. A majority of Louisiana inmates are housed in for-profit facilities, which must be supplied with a constant influx of human beings or a $182 million industry will go bankrupt.

    Several homegrown private prison companies command a slice of the market. But in a uniquely Louisiana twist, most prison entrepreneurs are rural sheriffs, who hold tremendous sway in remote parishes like Madison, Avoyelles, East Carroll and Concordia. A good portion of Louisiana law enforcement is financed with dollars legally skimmed off the top of prison operations.

  7. http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/14/482200/lankford-fired-gay/

    LANKFORD: Well, you’re now dealing with behavior and I’m trying to figure out exactly what you’re trying to mean by that. Because you’re dealing with — race and sexual preferences are two different things. One is a behavior-related and preference-related and one is something inherently — skin color, something obvious, that kind of stuff. You don’t walk up to someone on the street and look at them and say, “Gay or straight?”

    KEYES: But you think that even if you can’t see they’re that way, you don’t think someone is born gay necessarily?

    LANKFORD: Do I personally? No. I don’t. I think it’s a choice issue. Are tendencies and such? Yes. But I think it’s a choice issue.”

    Being gay is actually not a choice, according to the American Medical Association, the American Association of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association, and all other accredited medical organizations. A large percentage of LGBT workers have experienced discrimination at work and many have been fired because of their sexual orientation”

  8. Gay marriage has been a social good in Massachusetts:

    Let’s compare Massachusetts to its peers on three basic measures of success: education, social well-being, and economic strength. Some Americans believe good results on these metrics are the goals of responsible government, and others believe they’re the happy consequences of free markets. But however we get there, these are desirable outcomes for all Americans.

    And most of the world. According to a 2011 Harvard study, while reading proficiency in Mississippi is comparable to Russia or Bulgaria, Massachusetts performs more like Singapore, Japan, or South Korea. Often better: Massachusetts students rank fifth in the world in reading, lapping Singapore and Japan, and needless to say, every state in the union. In math, Massachusetts slots in a global ninth, ahead of Japan and Germany.

    What about social well-being? Above all, we want kids to have a healthy start in life. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, Massachusetts has the nation’s highest level of first-trimester prenatal care, and the third-lowest infant mortality rate (Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Missouri are about 50 percent higher). It also has the second-highest rate of child access to both medical and dental care, the nation’s lowest child mortality rate, and the lowest teen death rate.

    It goes without saying that Massachusetts has the lowest percentage of uninsured residents—5 percent compared to 16 percent nationally, and a whopping 25 percent in Texas. On life expectancy, Massachusetts ties for sixth-highest, about five years longer than the worst-performing states. In another political universe far, far away, you might describe a place like this as pro-life.

    A few other metrics of social well-being: The Bay State has the second-lowest teen birth rate, the fourth-lowest suicide rate, and the lowest traffic fatality rate. The birthplace of Dunkin’ Donuts has the sixth-lowest obesity rate. And depending on the source, the first state to legalize gay marriage has either the lowest or one of the very lowest divorce rates in the country.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/05/massachusetts_is_the_best_state_in_the_union_.single.html

    1. Gay marriage has been a social good in Massachusetts

      shano I see that you did not go to school in MA since you would have benefited from that good education. Those stats are hardly the PRODUCT of having gay marriage. That is such a logical absurdity that I can question your sanity. Let me school you in how to present a good logical agrument on this. Compare the stats for before gay marriage became law and after. That is just a start. THEN state WHY gay marriage would have any effect on education and health care coverage. For example, MA had nearly universal health care BEFORE gay marriage, so it is illogical and absurd to state that gay marriage caused that!

      I thought that there were intelligent, well educated people here, but I see that there are a few who are dedicated to proving the opposite.

  9. amen rcampbell! The bigotry of religions is exactly correct. If there is no medical or societal issue, it has to be religion.

  10. “Marriage is a legal contract granted by the state for ITS benefit and reasons as well as the couple. Gay marriage is NOT a right and to stretch the Loving decision to encompass that is beyond absurd since homosexual acts were criminal back then and such laws were upheld by the same SCOTUS. ”

    That is one twisted paragraph. Laws criminalizing homosexual acts are based on the same bullshit from the same Bible as those banning same-sex marriage. There is no logical, medical or legal reason to ban marriage equality. It’s only basis is Taliban-esque adherence to a book made up largely of fiction as being more important than our seculkar Constitution.

    To suggest the state or society needs to get something out of a marrage is equally absurd. My brother and my brother-in-law have each been married for over 25 years with no children. One for medical reasons and one by choice. Folks in retirement communities who marry after being widowed hardly produces children either.

    Marriage IS a right for all Americans who choose to marry because this country is based on equality for all, not just for some. We all understand that because of the First Amendment we have to endure speech we may not like to hear. So it is with same-sex marriage. Only the bigotry of religion has prevented gays from the full exercise of their Constitutional rights.

    1. rcampbell,Please give me some reason that the state has no right to set conditions on legal contracts it grants. That is the point. Gays are fully able to join in marriage as any other citizen since there is NO gayness test for getting a marriage license. If there were such a test, THEN I would agree that it is discrimination and unconstitutional.

      If the equal protection clause applied to marriage, does it also apply to the vote which IS mentioned in our Constitution? I think it does apply to the vote. In which case, why was it necessay to pass the 19th Amendment giving women the right to vote if the 14th already protected that right? Why then did we need a constitutional amendment to give the vote to 18 year olds, if the 14th applied to them as well. In fact, I would think that if you want gay marriage to apply to the US,you will need a constitutional amendment as well. The right to vote is FAR more clear and fundamental than a supposed “right” to gay marriage.

      If gay marriage is a right, then the same holds true for polygamy as well. At least Prof Turley is consistent in advocating that too. I think that he is wrong on this score, but I know that the advocates of gay marriage in the main also disagree with Prof Turley and deny that gay marriage also means state sanctioned polygamy. If you are for gay marriage, there is NO logical reason to deny polygamy too.

  11. swarthmore mom,
    great video clip. It is amazing that the Mississippi Republicans are all for regulations when it comes to the right to choose, but it is a mortal sin to think banks need more regulations! Remind to stay out of Mississippi.

  12. ARB,

    The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction. This clause was the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954), the Supreme Court decision which precipitated the dismantling of racial segregation in United States education. In Reed v. Reed (1971), the Supreme Court ruled that laws arbitrarily requiring sex discrimination violated the Equal Protection Clause. [from Wikipedia]

    States prohibiting same sex marriage are violating the Equal Protection Clause in that they are based on sex discrimination. There is benefit to the state and to all people within the state when all people are treated with fairness and equity.

    1. Thank you Id707 for proving that you have no capacity for rational thought or argumentation. While I find your flights of fancy amusing, it hardly means that they are true. It also means you have no power of memory since you would know where I live and what I do for a living if you are here very often. It also shows that you have no idea of who or what the NAACP is and Medgar Evers was. Again, you fail to answer why it is that a well known black actor Morgan Freeman has chosen to live in MS since you think it is racial hell for blacks. You also like to make the irrational jump that if you do not support gay marriage you are a bigot.

      Since I was an active participant in the civil rights movement, I know who our heroes were. One of them who died recently was Rev. Shuttlesworth who ramroded the protests in Bombingham as it was called back then. He was vehemently opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality. Again, the airport in BHM is named after him which I rather like. I do not agree with his stance against homosexuality, but he came at that topic on a religious basis. I do agree with him on his stance about gay marriage, but from different reasons, and I am not quite so rabid as he was on the subject. Think he was a KKKer too?

  13. Y’all know Winnemucca, right. Well lemme tell you, that it’s a one-horse town in the deserted state of Nevada.

    What they got the horse for? To draw the wagon full of drunk Mormons back to Salt Lake. They spent it all (double entendre) in the whorehouses across the tracks.
    They are the only decent houses in that town. Got the cleanest bed linens too. I can vouch for that.

    By 12AM, and long from closing time in the bars on the other side of the tracks, the guys get tired of paying the bar girls drinks. and head “over the railroad” for something more promising.

    As you can understand from this, Winne, I call her Winne, cuz she’s so nice, is a two industry town. Both dependent on men’s sins. But the Mormons don’t mind sinning (look at Mitt). Just as long as their wives don’t.

    What they don’t know is that their wives fly to Lake Tahoe then and do some “service” at the whorehouses there just for action, and some cash of their own. And all pretend ignorance about the others doings.

    So if someone says you that Nevada is only Vegas and the Grand Canýon. You can tell them you’ve seen bigger ones in Winnemucca.

    Hext time I’ll tell you about the hoosegow.
    Compared to Mexican ones, it is a winner.

  14. ARB,

    Your argumentation powers are fortunately just as weak as your dedication to progress. And you still haven’t told us where you live. Ashameed of it?
    Shall I take a wild guess and answer my previous riddle of
    where is the thunderstorm capital of America?

    Why Lake Charles, LA. The air baee there lets you put on fake camouflage fatigues and buy cheap beer in the BX. You should see the line of pickups on a Saturday morning. The military pop has increased by 50 percent overnight.

    Is that you there in the red one with Confed flags flying and the chrome tooters on the hood? Oh that’s your wifes?
    Your third? Oh, fifth. Sorry.

    You know that the only place badder that LC? That Winnemucca. If it wasn’t so far away, you could go there, just to feel superior for once.

    Ohhhh, that’s why you go to MS, you say. Now we know.

  15. The Supreme Court ended the discrimination for mixed race couples.

    It had nothing to do with the states

  16. “Thus once you wish to involve the state, THEN I and we all have a say in it.” (Arthur Randolph Erb)

    And there is the real root of the problem in a nutshell.

  17. AR Erb, you know the marriage of President Obamas parents was illegal in 22 states when he was born? Just saying.

    The state was on that side too. But I have heard that the people who gay bash the most may themselves be gay.

    1. And there is the real root of the problem in a nutshell.

      So as citizens WE should have NO say in what the state says or does? RIGHT! So much for your commitment to democracy and freedom! I guess we should just let appointed judges rule us and TELL us how to live.

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