Medical Report On Zimmerman Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations, and Back Injury

The evidence for the trial of George Zimmerman is slowly taking form. Yesterday, a medical report was disclosed by the family physician of George Zimmerman where the doctor found a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Trayvon Martin. While this is the family physician, it would still constitute important evidence in claiming self-defense, particularly when combined with accounts from the paramedics that found injuries to Zimmerman. An autopsy report released today also revealed bruises on Martin’s knuckles, consistent with a fight (though they could be bruises sustained in self-defense). In the meantime, the Justice Department has indicated that it may bring hate crime charges against Zimmerman — charges that would be questionable on the current evidence that has been made public in the case.

The prosecution is likely to explore any differences between the paramedics and the doctor. Some issues are likely to be raise such as whether the paramedics saw a broken nose and whether such “closed fractures” can be easily missed by a paramedic on an street at night.  Moreover, such injuries could be sustained by Zimmerman as a result of Martin defending himself.

The leak of possible civil rights charges may be designed to try to get Zimmerman to accept a plea with prosecutors. I have reservations about such a charge based on the evidence that is available — as I have expressed over the overcharging in the case as second degree murder. This case has already raised serious questions of the influence of public pressure on the prosecutors. While there may be additional evidence that would support such a hate crime charge, the current evidence, in my view, falls short of the threshold showing needed for such a charge. The crime is defined as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.” The “in part” component gives some wiggle room for prosecutors but you need to still show clear intent on the race issue. While state courts have rejected the need under state law for race to be the “primary” factor, there remains unease in cases where race appears a secondary issue. The Justice Department has sometimes moved against defendants who were acquitted of the same offense under state law as in the Pennsylvania case involving the death of a hispanic man. These cases raise serious questions of when trash talk reflects racial motivations.

We have seen the same type of claim under “Stand Your Ground” in mixed-race shootings without such hate crime allegations. I have previously express unease over the standard used for hate crime charges and the decision to pursue some cases while refusing to move on others with similar or stronger facts. This is a case that could be explained as a crime-obsessed as opposed to a race-obsessed neighborhood watch captain. Indeed, Zimmerman’s past violent record may indicate that he is prone to violence generally. There has been no new evidence revealed that shows that Zimmerman’s shooting was race motivated. His own mixed race background and injuries from the fight militate against such a charge. They certainly do not rule out such a charge, but more has to be shown in my view.

The case is already over-charged as second degree murder. If the Justice Department is going to bring a hate crime charge, it better have stronger evidence than we have seen from Angela Corey to support a second-degree murder charge. Corey was in my view clearly affected by the public pressure in the case in charging the case as second degree murder rather than manslaughter. I am equally troubled by Attorney General Eric Holder discussing the case in public speeches when his department is supposed to be conducting an unbiased review of the facts involving a man who has not been convicted of a crime.

The combination of the leak on the civil rights charges and Holder’s public statements leave the impression that the DOJ will not accept acquittal as an answer in the case if Zimmerman does prevail. The impression, in my view, diminishes the appearance of due process and fair trial for the accused.

What do you think?

Source: ABC

342 thoughts on “Medical Report On Zimmerman Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations, and Back Injury”

  1. BettyKath, sorry, my panties got confiscated by Anon long ago; I had no “pantie-waving” license and got caught in a Feminazi raid. 🙂

    BTW, I don’t think George was looking for sex on 2/26/2012 at all; I was just expressing my view that killing might have been very exciting for him.

  2. I think his jacket and shirt were tested for gunshot residue, maybe for blood. The rest of his clothes were not tested but are in evidence. Note to self: be sure your underwear is clean and in good repair. You never know when it’s going to be confiscated. : )

  3. I want to know if the police tested Zimmerman’s underwear on the night of 2/26/2012 for evidence of ejaculant.

  4. The story of George Zimmerman running around handing out leaflets for the poor homeless black man who was beaten had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAN’S RIGHTS. It had to do with a political struggle between LEE and his predecessor. Zimmerman was politically aligned with Lee and helped him get rid of the competition and ascend to the throne. Zimmerman will use any kind of situation to further his own goals; he is an opportunist and a sociopath and he puts up a front of being holier than thou, protective of poor little victimized people (tutoring little black boys etc. — somebody needs to INTERVIEW THEM QUICK!!) and etc. because he doesn’t want to stand there and say: “I will do as I damn please and excuse it anyway I want and that’s because I am the good guy and by definition anybody I target is the bad guy.”

    He’s actually a very common person. Not at all unusual, not at all remarkable, except that he has found himself in this big public situation. He’s just a bully. He’s not even (probably) a pervert in any way other than thinking other people’s lives are disposable but his is not. He’s a run-of-the-mill over-entitled unintelligent boorish petty alleged murderer. And his carrying on about god’s plan is very out of place — he’s no expert on god’s plan when he couldn’t execute his OWN very well.

  5. HELLO HELLO, LATER TODAY THERE WILL BE MORE EVIDENCE RELEASED. MAYBE NOW WE’LL HAVE A FEW MORE BROKEN BONES ON ZIMMERMAN. MAYBE HIS FUNNY BONE GOT BWOKE.

  6. Well, O’Mara says that the reason Zimmerman lied about how much money he had at the first bond hearing was that he was “confused, mistrustful and fearful.”

    OK, that explains it.

    But…don’t we think that on 2/26/2012 Trayvon Martin was “confused, mistrustful and fearful” when some stranger was following him and then approached him in the dark? Could his confusion, mistrust and fear have prompted him to do something Zimmerman misunderstood and reacted to in a way that caused more conflict than would otherwise have resulted?

    And…don’t we also think that on 2/26/2012 Zimmerman, after shooting Martin, was “confused, misstrustful and fearful” about the fact that he shot someone, so perhaps THEN his credibility might not been at 100%? Could his confusion, mistrust and fear have prompted him to lie about what he had just done?

  7. Well, the Sanford Jail has Zimmerman in custody now, and they should take him down to the hospital for a complete physical, including x-rays. It should be done for two reasons: One, to document his condition in case it later is said that he was injured somehow in jail; and two, to see if there is possibly some trace, on the x-ray, of that broken nose. Now’s the time.

    (Otherwise what’s to keep him from alleging mistreatment in jail?)

  8. Actually, I think reading books about real crimes, and even fictionalized books about murder mysteries, etc., is a perfectly fine activity. If you’re the kind of person who blames people without thinking about it, you’ll blame people without thinking whether you’re in a fiction or in real life. And if not, not. Sometimes I think reading and watching fiction helps us deal with facts, so long as we are not totally deluded about what goes on in the world. For instance, Zimmerman’s wild tales of “You got a problem, homie?” and “You’re gonna die tonight,” and “You got me” are a product of Zimmerman reading too many “cops and robbers” things or watching too many TV cop movies where each time the camera pays attention to someone in a crowd, that is actually the perp! But that is not because Zimmerman WATCHED those things; it’s because he fancied himself one of the heroes people would like to watch!

    I don’t think Zimmerman or his family members will be charged with perjury. I think the judge did a reasonable thing, not necessarily because he insists that Zimmerman has to stay in jail now, but because it was becoming clear that you can’t just EVADE the public issue of a couple hundred grand and you can’t rationally consider it an “error” when people who would not see that kind of money in their bank per decade suddenly forget they have it. For self-defense to be the way out of this for Zimmerman, he has to have credibility. Since I believe he killed Trayvon Martin in cold blood, I hope his credibility is damaged enough now that he understands he can’t keep crying “self-defense” and get away with it.

  9. PatricParamedic, who knows from whereof he speaks, says:

    If the call to EMS came down – for example – as “two patients on scene, one apparent gunshot and one apparent head injury” then it’s very possible a second medic unit was called out to handle what initially sounded like two seriously injured patients.

    The phrase I find very important is: “What initially sounded like two seriously injured patients.”

    It might have initially sounded like that. But not by the time the guy without the bandaids showed up.

    Now in Bethesda Maryland, in 2011, there was a case where two women were said to have been raped and beaten and one of them was dead. Later, it was discovered that the dead woman had been beaten up and killed by the still-living one, who was charged with murder. See, at FIRST, it looked like there were two seriously injured women there. But all the injuries on the murderer were self-inflicted. No eyewitnesses of the actual beginning of the fight. The killer was convicted.

  10. Belle: First of all, before I forget, I believe Sojourner Truth’s given name (before she changed her name herself) was Belle! I just remembered that today.

    OK, second — you say, “Malisha, I could post some pics the cops took of me that would put Z. to shame.”

    I know that’s a figure of speech, and I know this has nothing to do with the legalities and the criminal law issues involved with the death of Trayvon Martin, but I think what you have said here is actually the issue. NOTHING would put Z to shame. Z does not “shame easy.”

    Think of it. You believe somebody is going to burglarize your neighborhood. You go after him, although you don’t have to do that. The police tell you, “We don’t need you to do that.” You choose to do that anyway. You end up in something, whatever it is, you didn’t really plan it out that way, and you KILL HIM.

    Now, aren’t you ashamed?

    No matter WHO the Hell he is, no matter what the Hell was going on, aren’t you ASHAMED?

    Zimmerman was not ashamed.

    It appears that Zimmerman is STILL not ashamed, even after he found out: (a) that the kid was NOT there to burglarize anybody; (b) that the kid was 17 years old, and just barely 17 years old; (c) that the kid was unarmed; (d) that the kid had no criminal record; and (e) that the kid was very important to a lot of other innocent people too, a father, a mother, a brother, a girlfriend, friends at school, and his community.

    AND Z IS STILL NOT ASHAMED!! OMG OMG OMG What kind of person is this man?

    He’s still complaining about his nose, his noggin, his stress; the kid is dead, and all we hear from him is that he is “sorry for your loss” — and that, after being coached by a really smart defense lawyer.

    Would he have to say, “I accidentally killed a saint!” to reach the point of feeling the human emotion of shame? God help us!

    1. Hey M.
      Just like I told you after watching that video of him at the police station three days after the shooting. The one where his head had the big bandage. I can see shame in ppl and I played that video over and over. I would bet my next s.s. check that he doesn’t know he’s being watched. He’s just totally at ease, maybe that’s not the right word. more like, unconcerned, cocky, total comfort zone. There wasn’t any ‘slump’ in his shoulders, I’m sure someone has a better descriptive word then that. I would WANT to be in jail myself.
      Maybe I assumed too quickly, and I know I shouldn’t assume anything, that Z’s. wife was guilty of perjury. but how do you NOT know that you have over 200 grand in a PayPal account ? To be honest, I think that Z. brother will cover that aspect, hold himself accountable and protect his brother. Then again, if he didn’t know about all the g’s then where did the code come from during the jail cell calls ? It seems to me that if they actually did have a code, it had to be something they have utilized before, something before this took place. Why would anyone need a code to begin with ?

      OMG. I read some of these posts of mine and I think I’m being too judgmental, not having all the facts and assuming is not the right thing to to either, and I know it. Maybe I’m reading too many mystery novels and watching too much court T.V. Maybe I need to lay off a little.
      As soon as I find out who the serial killer is in the one I’m reading now, I’ll do just that.

  11. Belle, it wasn’t I who said Trayvon Martin was not a potential saint, but your comments sent me up to look at that comment, which was made by PatricParamedic, whose posts are very informative and attentive to detail. Of course, what he’s saying about Martin is that SINCE the kid’s on-line exercise of free speech portrays him, post-mortem, as a 17-year-old who feels some anger, who uses coarse language, who displays a “Hey, you talkin’ to me?” kinda persona, yada yada, then people should consider the possibility that he “contributed” to a situation that led to his own death.

    Huh?

    I mean, first of all, Zimmerman knew NOTHING about what Trayvon Martin might have said on-line (etc.) when he killed him. And if the idea is that Trayvon Martin, being a non-saint, might have been responsible for more physical defense than any one of us might have wanted him to engage in, I don’t know that there is any way for any of us, as brilliant as we might be, to measure Trayvon Martin’s fear. Nor do we really know that George Zimmerman had NOT said those fateful words: “You’re gonna die tonight.” Perhaps he attributed them to his victim because, after the deed was done, he was engaging in BOTH psychological projection AND lying to cover his ass. Perhaps even if Trayvon Martin HAD been a saint (and there is no constitutional requirement for him to be one), he would have been just as scared as he would have been IF he were a little devil, and perhaps a little saint would have managed to put forth a little MORE physical defense (in terms of ergs or glooms or bambams or however they measure the energy of life-defensive physical force) because he might have been inspired by Divine Providence at the moment he leapt forth, like Jacob fighting the Angel of Death.

    Who knows? Nobody will EVER know and I persist in thinking Trayvon Martin’s saintliness or bedevilment are irrelevant. If you want to go kill somebody, for essentially no reason, should you pick a saint or a sinner?

    But on another matter, I do think that the common police idea that a 17-year-old Black kid must be more likely devil than angel motivated them to fail to treat George Zimmerman like the real criminal on 2/26/2012.

  12. Malisha
    T.Martin wasn’t a potential saint, you’re right. I’ll tell you something else, I sure wasn’t either. Neither are my nieces, nephews, or any other 17 yr. old that I know of. Some have juvenile records already. Mostly minor stuff but the operative word is minor. Kids will be kids, doesn’t mean they’re malicious criminals. Any potential juror that says they have never heard of this case will easily be outed. I was sure Anthony was guilty, still not convinced she isn’t, but that’s not for me to say. She got a fair trial even though everything was released. Doesn’t matter what I think, I respect the jurors and there decision and I’m very proud of how that case turned out, not talking about the verdict, I’m talking about the fact that the system worked. The disgrace came after the trial. No juror should ever feel threatened because of a verdict.

  13. randyjet:

    To the contrary.

    “People like Patrick” have treated 20,000 EMS patients since 1979 – a depressing number of whom were gunshots wounds & head injuries. The patterns on the streets we see are not theoretical.

    I’ve lost track how many times I’ve been deposed & testified. and I can assure you I would never have comported well on cross examination had I lacked ability to reason.

    For the record, my Band-Aid comment to A.R.E was in jest, for pete’s sake. The point is, a conscious & coherent adult can refuse treatment, which is evidently what George Z. did. People do that a thousand times a day in this country, only to show up in the E.R. tomorrow with serious injuries.

    As I’ve stated before, I do not find George Z. a particularly sympathetic fellow. But much of the verbal lynching seems premature and downright self-serving.

    T. Martin was no potential saint. He was a man-child as complex as many of us. So I don’t choose to readily dismiss his garbage-laden, race-baiting, misogynistic rants on the internet, as the proffering of a peaceful mind, who could never have contributed to his own demise.

    And I’m a hair miffed at those who might.

  14. Malisha:

    The city of Sanford, Florida EMS units operate from one of three fire stations. They use a combination of EMTs & Paramedics and they work in teams of two on each unit.

    Reports seem to indicate two EMS units were initially dispatched, and the one furthest from the scene was cancelled by the first medics on scene prior to their arrival. This happens all the time.

    If the call to EMS came down – for example – as “two patients on scene, one apparent gunshot and one apparent head injury” then it’s very possible a second medic unit was called out to handle what initially sounded like two seriously injured patients. Just like cops & fire, medic teams are called & then subsequently cancelled a thousand times daily.

    Because the gunshot victim in this case was not transported, that means he by definition ought to have exhibited one of the “nine signs of obvious death.” Medics have to complete a rather exhaustive pre-hospital care document, in quadruplicate, and whatever the obvious signs were, had to be documented. They assume every single case will go to court, and that they will be called to testify. I’ve not heard which of these signs it was. The gunshot was far to recent to exhibit – for example – Rigor, Lividity, et al. But “not breathing and no heartbeat” is not obvious death. There had to be something else.

    I can promise you that the PCF detailed & signed by the medics, as well as the tape recording of the medic/ACLS nurse in the ER – pretty much guarantees there are no cover-ups.

    Historically & nationwide, cops & medics clash all the time, while on scene, over whether the victim is a viable patient, or a true coroner’s case. Cops – of course – want the body to stay as it lay. Medics want to cut clothes off and save a life. The decision is supposed to be the medics’ call, but much of the time, it depends on how vigorously the medics put their foot down, and advocate for the patient.

    Inexperienced medics can – and do – acquiesce proper medical control to cops of strong will.

    I would love to know the on-scene dynamics in this case.

  15. raff, I am still sick, but up and around, so watched part of the Zimmerman hearing this afternoon. The system is working. I was impressed with the judge, and I am not easily impressed. Zimmerman will get a trial, and fully expect it to be a fair trial. The judge expressed some concern about public release of evidence to the public because he wants both defense and prosecution to get the fairest trial possible. The elephant in the room was the risk of tainting the jury pool. We all know blogs like this weigh the pros and cons of the evidence as it is leaked out, and hopefully the jury pool will be literate.

    I recall that when Jack Ruby went on trial, somebody expressed concern to his attorney, Melvin Belli, that it would be hard to find a jury pool where no one had heard of Ruby. Belli was reported to have thundered that he did not want jurors so dumb they had never heard of Jack Ruby.

  16. You are right OS. Anarchy is not the answer. The system is there for a reason and Mr. Z will learn how well it can work.
    BTW, it is good to hear from you OS!

  17. randyjet sez: “I would hope that an armed FL citizen would take note and shoot the crook if he so much as sneezes wrong.”

    ************************************

    Nope. That is the exact kind of thinking that got us to the point where we are now. This is supposed to be a civilized society of laws. Let the legal system work. That is what separates us from anarchy and barbarism.

  18. Patrick, I think the “Band Aid” comment was a metaphor for any small bandage. Point is, there was not enough damage to warrant even a small bandage patch, much less stitches. I feel the same as Malisha. I am not impressed with the extent of his “damage.” I have done that much self-harm when I stood up suddenly, forgetting the kitchen cabinet door was open just above me.

    1. People such as Patrick don’t use common sense or reasoning. It only matters that the person using deadly force used it and they are right no matter what. That is especially true when the kid who get murdered is black or a minority.

      We now find out that Zimmerman lied in court and has had his bond revoked for lying under oath, and getting illegally a duplicate passport. I hope the DoJ takes note and charges him for perjury, falsifying documents, among other crimes. I think it would be better to let him run the streets though, since we now know he is a career criminal type who is armed and dangerous. I would hope that an armed FL citizen would take note and shoot the crook if he so much as sneezes wrong.

  19. A.R.E., good point. One time I had a “show-down” with a kid for whom I was baby-sitting and we accidentally fell down three stairs together (he was manhandling his little brother on the stairs so that is where I had to intervene) and both of us got banged up worse than Zimmerman. But neither one of us would whine and fuss about it for more than the five minutes it took to blow off steam! If Zimmerman experienced fear of great bodily harm or death from the scratch and bump (that sounds more like a dance than a near death experience), then he’s a paranoid and should never have either had a gun OR a right to participate in “neighborhood watching.” Furthermore, just as a timid dog will bite because it misjudges danger, a paranoid will perhaps kill because he projects his own evil intent onto his victim, and pow pow pow. The thing is, we’re not playing “cowboys and Indians” any more when we have a loaded gun and we’re 28 years old. All those boo hoo websites asking, “Is that enough blood for you?” make me want to say, “Noooooooo, it’s not.”

    1. Malisha
      I could post some pics the cops took of me that would put Z. to shame. My own sister didn’t recognize me at the hospital, walked right by me. Z. proudly displays his wounds and it’s laughable to me. Black eyes come later but they also last a long time if you’re hit hard enough, especially in the back of the head. And that’s a fact.
      It just burns my butt that the Z. wife hasn’t been arrested.
      Also, young man that spent five yrs. in prison for a rape he didn’t commit: Why doesn’t the girl have to give the money back and why hasn’t she been arrested?
      Wrong thread I know. Sorry
      M. will write you later…
      Do you get to see your son in the summer? He’s just got one yr. before graduates, did I remember that right?

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