Police have identified the man shot in the midst of chewing the face off a victim in Florida. Police shot and killed Rudy Eugene, 31, after they found him along a highway naked while biting off the face of of his victim. What is more important in the future is that the cause of insane rampage appears to be “bath salts,” a new form of LSD.
Police shot Eugene after ordering him to stop repeatedly without effect. Both men were naked and Eugene continued to eat the face of the other man.
Bath salts are known to increase the temperature of users to the point that they strip off their clothing. Users are known to exhibit increased strength and much increased levels of violence.
Some accounts state that the officer shot Eugene after he refused to stop but he continued the attack wounded — and was shot repeatedly. The case raises a grey area of lethal force. Normally the shooting of an unarmed naked man would raise serious questions of excessive force. However, police are saying that bath salt users are exceptionally violent and difficult for multiple officers to control. Moreover, he was in the midst of attacking another man and clearly threatening his life.
The dangers of “excited delirium” is being looked at closely by police around the country. They appear to have the same impact as amphetamines in large doses and are sold in $20 packages with names like Ivory Wave and Vanilla Sky.
Source: CBS
If you explore both alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs, you should be able to clearly see through vast amounts of imperical data that the negative ramifications of prohibitions are much greater than the negative effects of the substances if legal themselves on society. Addicts are always going to exist, but let’s not turn a vast portion of society into drug cartels and street gangs that corrupt another vast segment of society (law enforcement). Who do you really want selling the drugs is the only real choice. Drug gangs and cartels or lawful businesses???? There is only one choice people or do you want another 50 years of drug policy failures, police corruption, gang warfare and $trillion more wasted. A really tough choice for anyone with intellegence. However, stupid is as stupid does therefore I expect little if any change on this issue.
Indigo Jones,
I am saying that Prohibition itself creates the incentive to deliver ever more concentrated and dangerous drugs into the marketplace.
Jeez, I can’t believe this new form of LSD is so readily available.
Drop the term LSD. Bath Salts are NOT “a new form of LSD” !!!
OK, here I can’t understand why it is significant whether he was under the influence of bath salts, “bath salts,” LSD, “LSD” or a bacon cheeseburger without mustard. When the cops came up on this guy, he was in the process of eating another living (presumably) human being’s flesh and thus endangering the other living (presumably) human being’s life! Furthermore, the extreme savagery of the image as the cops approached, and the non-responsiveness of the aggressor engaged in the criminal activity right in front of them, must have engendered an almost uncontrollable panic, even in someone who likes horror films.
Any normal LEO would fear: (a) confrontation with a crazed and felonious person obviously displaying uncontrollable evil intent; (b) exposure to the body fluids of a possibly contagious person who might have some incurable and hideous disease; and (c) EVERYTHING. I mean, a sight like that could easily drive a normal person over the edge, in terms of adrenaline rush alone, and the fact that the officer(s) gave the order to STOP several times before killing the “suspect” makes it even scarier.
Nevertheless, you can be sure that the “shoot” was recorded properly and the evidence was collected to show that the officers had not just killed someone they could have captured instead. That should always be a requirement, and I’m sure it is always a requirement.
To me it would be like distroying an archealogical dig. Who knows what that guy was on and what other problems he had. We have to assume that the cops were telling the truth. Lots of bad ones out there also. Know one knows personally what they would do unless confronted with that situation since it was so haneous. I hope we here more on this story since there are always tree sides to every story.
Maybe he had rabies.
@puzzling
If it’s not clear to you that a black market is almost by definition unregulated — no labeling requirements, no labor laws, no occupational safety requirements, no packaging requirements, no purity requirements — then it’s not at all clear to me what you could possible think regulation actually is, much less a market, and therefore, there’s no point in discussing either with you.
Here’s the first sentence of the Wikipedia entry on “Black market”
“A black market or underground economy is a market in goods or services which operates outside the formal one(s) supported by established state power.”
and a little later:
“Those engaged in underground activities circumvent, escape or are excluded from the institutional system of rules, rights, regulations and enforcement penalties that govern formal agents engaged in production and exchange”
The whole thing appears to be Reefer Madness hysteria. Here’s what the cop actually said, according to Reuters:
“Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police, said investigators were looking into whether drugs played a role in the attack.
“We’ve had at least two incidents in the past couple of months with people claiming they took a new form of LSD and complained of feeling a burning sensation that forced them to take their clothes off and led them to become very violent,” he said.
He also said the drug could be a synthetic stimulant known as bath salts, which the Drug Enforcement Administration has linked to side effects ranging from an impaired perception of reality to agitation and delusional behavior.
So, Aguilar actually said that the man MIGHT have been on drugs, they’re “looking into whether” he was. Aguilar—who is not expert in anything—then SPECULATED that the man might have been on a “new form of LSD” which “forces [people] to take their clothes off and [leads] them to become very violent.” (LSD-25 is a well-understood drug, there are no “new forms” of this molecule, and it does not “force” users to either disrobe or to become violent.)
Aguilar then went on to say that, ALTERNATELY, the man MIGHT have been on “bath salts,” synthetic stimulants which have absolutely nothing to do with LSD or other psychedelics. Even Aguilar didn’t say that bath salts are “the new LSD.” That appears to be a bit of confusion introduced by journalists and bloggers.
So, we have one cop idly speculating on what a guy who did something crazy and violent MIGHT have been on, and a mountain of comically irresponsible reporting on the incident from the media.
I would have shot him too. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer?
realityslap: cite your sources bud.
LSD is NOT a safe substance, it causes irreversible psychosis and brain damage.
Bath salts do not contain LSD, do not mimic LSD, and have absolutely nothing to do with LSD.
But because the arresting officer thought this guy was on some kind of “super LSD,” LSD is being linked to this crime.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdpv/
Go to Erowid for all your drug-knowledge needs. “Bath Salts” are nothing like LSD. LSD Is one of the safest psychoactive substances known to man.
bugdrown
welcome to floriduh
So now I have to worry about overzealous neighborhood watch, drunk drivers, and zombies. Great.
Bath salts were banned in several counties in Florida this year as a form of synthetic marijuana, not LSD, because they cause both both psychotic reactions and death. If LSD is being thrown into the mix, that is ominous.
Pete,
Could I film it? We could share rights.
Indigo Jones,
I’d hardly call a drug banned at the federal level an unregulated “free market”.
Real prices are actually falling for marijuana because states like California now allow cultivation of the crop. That’s different than saying prices are low. Prices are at least 300% over the estimates of a legalized (but untaxed) price of $0.60 to $2.00 per half gram. Street prices now are about $6.00 – $9.00.
Also, THC concentration in marijuana rose for decades, another effect of the Drug War in the same way that high proof alcohol was more commonplace, transportable, and concealable than beer or wine during alcohol Prohibition.
What you are seeing with “bath salts” and Krokodil is substitution on the margins by individuals who cannot afford the black market price of their preferred drug due to our government’s drug policy.
@Jake “Bath salts are not an LSD like drug, you people are retarded.”
I don’t think anyone seriously proposes that real bath salts have an effect like LSD. But bath salts is more than a street name.
In this area, until a month ago or so, many of the convenience stores sold small packets of product labeled as bath salts. Those in the know, usually adolescent, would smoke the product, much the way meth or crack is smoked. I suppose there must be other was to ingest the product.
I am sure there were many different effects. Part of the problem was that many different chemist were putting together many different products. As a result, it was difficult to know what was for sale and what effect it would have.l
In this area, the state moved in, at first confiscating the product and later arresting convenience store operators if they continued to sell the product.
If anyone ever tried to actually use the product as bath salt it probably would have make the news. I am sure the chemist would have been shocked.
@puzzling
“drugs become more concentrated and dangerous, while drug prices rise and crime skyrockets to pay those prices”
“A free market would do none of this”
One could argue that the market for marijuana, the third largest domestic cash crop, is one of the closest things we have to a free market. No regulation there.
The street price of marijuana hasn’t changed in two decades. Factor in inflation, that means its gotten cheaper.
Then factor in increased cost of production (computer controlled lighting, water, ventillation), increased demand, and police attempts to disrupt supply, the substance has gotten A LOT cheaper.