ConAgra is facing a legal challenge over its claim that its popular Hebrew National hotdogs are kosher. Employees at the company’s third-party kosher certifier for ConAgra claim that they have witnessed serious breaches in kosher rules at the company’s meat plants.
Eleven consumers enlisted a Minnesota firm to bring the action for fraudulent mislabeling of food as kosher such as using the “Triangle K” on Hebrew National meats. One such violation is that animals for kosher meat cannot have dirty hides covered in mud, sand or stones. Moreover, the employees say that unhealthy animals are often slaughtered with the kosher certification company looking the other way.
The lawsuit clearly accuses the rabbinical oversight of the certifier as failing to properly monitor the process and hold the company to kosher standards. In that sense, it would seem an interesting variation of “agency capture” where government regulators become too identified with their regulated companies. Rabbi capture appears based on the same notions.
Source: CBS
rafflaw,
You know more than you should say. A lot of it is head meat. Just because the ingredient list says it’s beef, you don’t know what part of the beef it is.
I find this to be an interesting argument but beyond that I can’t comment because I actually have a (hot)dog in this fight.
raff,
Are you sure you’re from Chicago? 😀
I can’t understand what all the fuss is about. It is a hot dog! If you actually read the ingredients of a hot dog, you may never want to eat one. Even a good tasting kosher dog.
Gene,
Depends on the tools. I built a deck behind my house all by myself. The ex-wife helped a little bit. The deck is perfectly square and perfectly level. Twenty-four feet by sixteen feet. Some of the boards need to be replaced.
A fully stocked tool box is an even better option.
idealist707 1, June 21, 2012 at 10:24 am
And a point on argumentation: Does one have to be armed with an axe to remove the mote from thy neighbors eye.
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A carefully utilized scalpel works better.
“Too little facts here though to ascertain the facts of the matter,….” MikeS.
General observation: How refreshing to hear these words, heard so seldom where opinions are so firmly asserted as absolute truths.
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I have always had that attitude, yes, believe it or not.
And perhaps I have been indoctrinated here that truths are black and white.
There is of course the alternative to that of my acquiring a firm opinion, which I have done frequently, to be armed for battle.
And a point on argumentation: Does one have to be armed with an axe to remove the mote from thy neighbors eye.
Woosty’s still a Cat 1, June 21, 2012 at 10:12 am
My group: Dogs Without Papers (DWOP) is made up of human Pals and dogs. We give fake IDs to DWOPs so that they dont get rounded up by the Humane Society and murdered.
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hahahahaha!
BarkinDog, you must be good people after all
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BarkinDog’s a good cat. I guess kosher hotdogs are better after all.
Hey Mike,
Too little facts here though to ascertain the facts of the matter, could also be malicious intent of the ex-employee or an effort by business competitors.
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Shrink?
My group: Dogs Without Papers (DWOP) is made up of human Pals and dogs. We give fake IDs to DWOPs so that they dont get rounded up by the Humane Society and murdered.
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hahahahaha!
BarkinDog, you must be good people after all…..
KosherDog,
So when the Turley blog was discussed at the dogpack yesterday and Turley was calling President Obama an Imperialist for trying to help those Kids Without Papers (people WOPS) we got aggravated. People of a nationality that used to be referred to as WOPS should be put into a trance and a state of remembrance of granpa and granma when they got off the boat without papers.
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Keep the WOP kids away from Nurse Ratchet.
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You only have to let the air out of two tires. Because they only have one spare.
“Buy regular hotdogs. It’s exactly the same thing.”
Matt,
That’s the one part of your comment I disagree with. Hebrew National are the best tasting hot dogs. There have been many taste tests that have borne this out.
As to the Kosher issue, the problem with the Kosher laws is that there has to be Rabbi’s known as “Mashgiarchs”, who earn their living certifying that the food meets the strict Kosher laws. When your living comes from a particular place then all too often the consideration of money trumps religious belief. A persons ability to find self-justification because of personal interest is boundless. Too little facts here though to ascertain the facts of the matter, could also be malicious intent of the ex-employee or an effort by business competitors.
KosherDog here, at the requiest of BarkinDog:
I am what some call a “rescue dog”. The dog organization called DWOPs or Dogs Without Papers was set up by a humanoid Pal to save dogs who were targeted by this group of humanoids which calls itself The Humane Society and they drive around in a truck, round up dogs without collars or tags, take them to a “shelter” and “euthenize” them. One would think that the shelter would sheltter the dog and the euthenisation thing would have to do with putting some youth back into a sick dog. But No! This is really a Nazi death camp for dogs, subsidized with tax dollars.
So when the Turley blog was discussed at the dogpack yesterday and Turley was calling President Obama an Imperialist for trying to help those Kids Without Papers (people WOPS) we got aggravated. People of a nationality that used to be referred to as WOPS should be put into a trance and a state of remembrance of granpa and granma when they got off the boat without papers.
My group: Dogs Without Papers (DWOP) is made up of human Pals and dogs. We give fake IDs to DWOPs so that they dont get rounded up by the Humane Society and murdered. If you want to join our effort in your dog neighborhood simply start doing the Lord’s work. On Sunday go to the Piggly Wiggly and buy ten dog collars on sale for a buck a piece this weekedn and also get dog name tags that you can write on. Put a dog name on each tag with a magic marker that wont erase in water (the dog might be a Labrador) and put the collars on the stray dogs in the neighborhood so that they have some cover when the Humane Society truck rolls around. When the guy in the truck is off looking to round up Fido, let the air out of all four tires.
DWOP named me KosherDog because the Humane Society guy is jewish and DWOP thought it might help my case.
KosherDog
I worked at a ConAgra beef plant as an assistant plant controller many years ago in Idaho.
The big dog plant controller quit, but the bigger big dog wouldn’t promote me because he didn’t like me.
I worked at a Dean Foods plant after that. You have to get a Rabbi to say it’s kosher. What’s the big deal?
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One such violation is that animals for kosher meat cannot have dirty hides covered in mud, sand or stones. Moreover, the employees say that unhealthy animals are often slaughtered with the kosher certification company looking the other way.
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Do you think they’re going to put their makeup on. I never saw one unhealthy animal processed.
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The lawsuit clearly accuses the rabbinical oversight of the certifier as failing to properly monitor the process and hold the company to kosher standards. In that sense, it would seem an interesting variation of “agency capture” where government regulators become too identified with their regulated companies. Rabbi capture appears based on the same notions.
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Buy regular hotdogs. It’s exactly the same thing.
There were two kosher groceries in a suburban town in around the year 2000. Somebody in the community brought a complaint up about the quality of the rabbinical inspection at one of them (the smaller one, actually, but the one that was in the denser neighborhood). After that, I heard that “some people will buy the packaged goods there because they come from the same warehouses and they are kosher if the label is good, but they won’t buy the fresh meat or fish; others won’t buy anything at all because they don’t trust it.” Then that smaller place went out of business and guess what? Got taken over/bought out/replaced (who knows what the actual mechanism of action was) by the other one. Now there’s only one in town, with two different locations.
My comments await moderation.
Seminal as used here means “containing or contributing the seeds of later development”……
This is an old fight.
The Pharisees and Sadduces had this quarrel going ~2,000 years ago.
The controversy at one time concerned whether or not when pouring a kosher (“ceremonially pure”) liquid from a kosher vessel into a non-kosher vessel, the impurity of the non-kosher flowed uphill through the liquid into the clean vessel, thereby tainting it.
This case JT illustrates will be easier to decide it would seem.
Want a true kosker dog, go to a kosher deli….. Other than that, this seems like a seminal dispute within the community…..