New declassified intelligence files show that the United States government lied about its knowledge of the Katyn massacre of Polish officers and intellectuals by Russia. The new evidence includes the disclosure that the Roosevelt Administration received highly credible coded messages from U.S. officers who were American POWs during the war but suppressed the information to preserve relations with Stalin. Our government has long been accused of denying such knowledge of the war crime committed by our then ally despite an investigation by Congress in the 1950s establishing that it was the Russians not the Germans who killed the Poles.
In 2010, the Russian Duma recognized responsibility for the war crime in the killing of over 22,000 Polish officers and other prisoners in the Katyn forest and other locations in 1940.
The new information came from American POWs who were taken to the site in 1943 where they saw rows of corpses in an advanced state of decay in the Katyn forest on the western edge of Russia. The degree of decay made it unlikely that they were shot by the Germans. Moreover, their clean pressed uniforms showed that they had not been in captivity as POWs.
The Russians wanted to get rid of the polish intellectual and military leaders to take over Poland after the war. The prisoners were shot in the back of the head. Russia long denied responsibility until only recently with the Duma statement.
The intelligence came from American officers — Capt. Donald B. Stewart and Lt. Col. John H. Van Vliet Jr. — who were taken in May 1943 by the Germans to the forest after it was captured from the Russians. They found rows and rows of mummified remains. While these officers hated the Germans, they found the evidence to be undebatable and clear. Both send coded messages while still in captivity to army intelligence but the Administration buried the intelligence.
The chilling conclusion is that we knew about the war crime, buried the evidence, and then sat with Russian judges (right) on the Nuremberg Tribunal convicting others of some of the very same war crimes committed by Russia. All of this was done to keep Stalin from being insulted and causing tension in the alliance in the fight against tyranny. Not our proudest moment to be sure.
Source: Stripes
What about the seven German officers falsely tried and executed for this Russian genocide? Will they be exonerated and their families compensated? I seriously doubt that any Russian will be held accountable.
Elaine M. 1, September 12, 2012 at 9:09 am
Matt Johnson 1, September 11, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Elaine M. 1, September 11, 2012 at 9:36 am
Dredd,
We also have no problem in not bringing charges against our own war criminals.
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Your logic is no explanation for what Dredd said.
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Matt,
It wasn’t meant to be. I don’t try to explain the comments of other people. I let their words speak for themselves.
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Good.
How did you read these facts 45 years ago in history class? My understanding (and I read several books on the subject) was that it wasn’t KNOWN who did it. They settled on the Nazis. The controversy was LATER finding out that it looked like the Russians did it. What’s news NOW is that the government knew all along and covered it up. This one was pretty well covered.
If I read these facts forty five years ago in history class then why is this news in the year 2012? All sorts of facts came our way out of the Eastern Front during WWII and we were not covering up Soviet atrocities at a time when the Soviets were killing a hell of a lot more Krauts than we were.
Thank you for bringing this information up. Being Polish-American I
was aware of World War II atrocities but never knew of this
atrocity until some time during the 80’s when I became
friends with this Irish lady who told me of that forest massacre.
It took a kindly Irish woman who still spoke with a brogue to
instruct me on some of history’s forgotten horrors. It is sad that
we allowed Russia to get away with this terrible horror. We
still allow Russia to do what she wants with us.
Idealist, I’m afraid there may wind up being a good many.
I can’t really decide what I find most disturbing:
****the palace coup assassination of JFK in ’63 or,
****the takedown of the American resistance to tyranny which was launched by the 9/11 attacks.
Due to the obvious visibility of the results from 9/11, I must choose it.
Have we ever seen the UN being reduced to a stage dominated by a few actors, including ourselves. Giving the USA permission to do what it wished and not enforcing resolutions effectively which the USA opposes.
Have we ever heard patriotism so expressed as in the Patriot Act, or the phrase “You’r either with us or against us”, whose eyes said “I am prepared to nuke you, and God talks to me every day.”
This could easily become a 5,000 word rant. And others more qualified could add even more, like a relay race until a complete investigation is reached as a first goal.
But I shall stop by asking why should Saudi create Al Quaeda, use it as a rallying point for extremists, plan and lead the 9/11 deeds? Is it not obvious that they did it a the behest of others? Even prepared (forced to do so?) to take the hit if the first Al Quadda legend did not hold up.
A powerful force forced them to do so. GUESS WHO! Any reasonable doubts? Who could arrange what REALLY happened?
Forget the Saudi Arabian red herring, it is more propaganda. They were involved—as shills and accomplices.
Give me liberty….and truth, a right to steer our nation’s choices, etc…..or give me death. Any Patrick Henrys here now?
Blouise,
Are you supporting a position that all who think that we were lied to about what happened at 9/11 are nuts, cranks, paranoid conspiracy freaks, etc.?
Your command disturbs me. Is there a reason to wonder why?
Thanks for the link, Matts.
“”The film is certainly a blatant violation of religious sanctities, international norms and conventions on human rights which emphasize that freedom of expression with respect to religion must be restricted by controls within the law that safeguard public interest, in order to protect lives, morals, rights and freedoms,” the statement said.”
Anti-blasphemy gags on free speech coming? We just got them in time for “all National Events” including events where the SS is tempoarily there. Not even a placard.
“The protests in both countries were sparked by outrage over a film ridiculing Muhammad produced by an Israeli filmmaker living in California and being promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the United States. Excerpts from the film dubbed into Arabic were posted on YouTube.”
Wahabist money? Jewish money? Evangelical money?
CIA money? All stand to gain. Any other “usual suspects”?
Who were you asking permission of, Matts?
Matt Johnson 1, September 11, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Elaine M. 1, September 11, 2012 at 9:36 am
Dredd,
We also have no problem in not bringing charges against our own war criminals.
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Your logic is no explanation for what Dredd said.
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Matt,
It wasn’t meant to be. I don’t try to explain the comments of other people. I let their words speak for themselves.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012/09/12/libyan-officials-us-ambassador-killed-in-attack/57752828/1
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Are you allowed to comment on this?
idealist707 1, September 12, 2012 at 3:01 am
Blouise,
WTF? WHY? Are you asst. JT today.
I was once OD. Was allowed to command “hauling the flag”. Are your duties similar?
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Maybe she thinks she’s Gene. Your comment is under moderation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sharon-premoli/prelude_b_953622.html
Fascinating. Real, vivid, and shows so well everyone’s vulnerability. Which explains the trauma. experienced by the viewers.