We have another outrage involving cultural and religious prejudices against rape victims. In Indonesia, a 14-year-old girl was expelled as “tarnished” after she was raped.
The private school just outside Jakarta expelled the teenager during a formal ceremony for “tarnish[ing] the school’s image.”
As mystifying as it seems to most of us, some parts of the world view victims as blameworthy for being raped. Other victims have faced worse treatment than expulsion in areas following Sharia law.
Source: Timeslive
Gene, I didn’t think you were a cat. The way you bark orders and end w/ “carry on” that you fashioned yourself a General.
nick,
I’m sure the mouse thinks the cat is just where he wants him too.
nick,
I’m not a member of any team or clique. I have never been much of a joiner. I state my own opinions. I don’t participate in groupthink. That doesn’t mean, however, that you won’t find me agreeing with certain regulars on this blog quite often.
*****
idealist,
I do not think I should be immune from criticism. That said, I prefer to have my arguments/positions criticized. I think that leads to a more fruitful discussion.
And Big Head Man, I sure can push your buttons evidenced by all your screeds, polemics, and insults directed @ me; some where you exclaim to not care what I say. I sometimes feel guilty pushing your buttons. Now, come on, claim unilateral victory. We’ll call this Wonderland Middle School.
Large head man, what was the issue here..Elaine, OS and myself agreed.
ID, Do you ever get the sense you’re in an alternate universe and this guy w/ an enormous head keeps saying the same things over, and over, and over again. It’s like old AM radio when they played music.
Blouise, You may want to take your “straight forward” advice and address comments about me, to me. Or how about a cc @ least. And, “eaten alive”? Come on! The A Team clique here like to unilaterally claim victory. I would use the term “circle jerk” but that would exclude the female A Team members. If the pattern remains consistent I’ll be attacked for using a crude term. I’m telling you A Team…this is middle school shit. Do any of you have acne?
Obstinacy and tenacity are often virtues, but a failure of an opponent to make a point? If you cannot convince others and show others that they do not think or act right? That is your failure in argumentation. Also you must consider that win and lose are relative terms and depending on the face of victory. Persuasion is as persuasion does but the burden of persuasion is on the speaker.
Also you must consider that all points are not created equal. Ridiculous claims deserve ridicule. That ridiculous claims often come from ridiculous people is another issue altogether. Just so, not all criticism is created equal.
No one is saying they are free from challenge. We say all statements are subject to challenge. That is part and parcel of free speech.
That you, id707, and your buddy seem to think you are immune from challenge though is really hypocritically funny. Neither of you argue worth a damn albeit for different reasons but you sure do want a free pass on what you say being unquestioned gospel. That neither of you have much luck defending your positions is your problem but if everyone is susceptible to challenge in the marketplace of ideas, then so are you. That neither of you fare well in that regard is beside the point. Reciprocity can be a harsh mistress. As I’ve said before, if that presents a problem for you, then maybe a free speech forum isn’t the right place for you.
Carry on.
PPS
Explaining arguments takes time, and buttons are quicker for those who know them. Elaine has none, as ssid. Repartée won’t score either, at least not mine. So I gave up that tack. (as in boating?)
Fortunately, I don’t know any buttons to use. Wrong? Show me.
Blouise,
HOO HOO HOO HA HA HA HA! etc.
May I kiss your and Elaine’s feet.
Elaine is this, that and the other….bla bla.
We stand here all criticizing the Professor for his dumb pointing out of **RWA’s in the Indonesian society. while not mentioning those here in America.
Why does Elaines’s merits make her immune from criticism, if Turley’s do not even here?
Your buddy system is corrupt. And trying to tame the NIckS tiger is ridiculous and rather…..er the word escapes me. 44 years inactivity. Say “base” for lack of a better.
Now show us that you are smarter than that. I know and have observed that you can.
You changed your icon anyway, as I suggested you do.
**from the book Authoritarians, reviewed by MikeS and recently he re-posted the link to it in the “Phucking Middle America….”
PS
The ridicule was for Blouise only. Elaine is a valuable regular here. And I hardly know her merits.
But I do know her obstinance, tenacity, and refusal to acknowledge a point made by her opponent. I think GeneH was a mentor there.
What ever her merits, I would criticize her just as I criticize Obama or any other authority. And dog does not exist, so he gets a pass.
Darren,
Yep.
Maybe she showed too much ankle also.
Sad that this girl had to go through two rapings, once by the perp and the other by her society.
“provocative burka”
Ha!
“Say . . . that’s a mighty sexy table cloth covering your entire body. Nothing says sexy like upholstery!”
Looks to me like she was wearing a provocative burka. The bridge of her nose shows.
Blouise,
‘Zactly.
Professor Turley,
“As mystifying as it seems to most of us, some parts of the world view victims as blameworthy for being raped.”
You mean like in police investigations and recent court proceedings in many places in America–see AZ.
MiKeS revieved a review of a book which explains the thinking of this category of humans, and I would presume that it is not relevant what religion or culture that you belong as to whether it is present.
Surely, the “Athoritarians” rings a bell.
They are ca 40% of us and all tend to blame the victim, not the culprit.
Please tell me how the attitude of the predominantly muslim Indonesian school is any different than predominantly christians schools in Louisiana.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/07/647221/louisiana-school-forces-students-to-take-pregnancy-tests-kicks-out-girls-who-refuse-or-test-positive/
The attitude of religion towards women and girls is the same everywhere.
Gene,
I certainly don’t need to defend Elaine, she doesn’t need any help but she is, after all, a much honored person and one invited to speak to Educators across the country. She is published and one of the only GBs to receive national attention and response to her posts. She is one of those rare “who can do also teach” individuals.
I am trying to get him to see that it’s silly to continue trying to find cheap buttons that work with her. If he wants to disagree with something she’s written … be straight forward about it, otherwise she will continue to eat him alive.
Elaine, Again we agree. Can we agree the north end of Boston has the best pizza? Can we agree the best time to go to MV is in the Fall? Can we agree the Mass coast has some of the best seafood?That Logan airport sucks? I want to wrack up some positive energy here.
nick, Been to Yale, too. You are correct about New Haven.