We previously discussed the suggestion by a member of Congress that the Connecticut massacre could have been avoided if only teachers were carrying M-4 assault rifles. Now the Governor of Michigan is considering bringing that a little closer to reality with a bill that would allow concealed guns in public schools. Referring to the Connecticut massacre, Senator Tom Casperson, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said “to me it gives [teachers] a chance.” [Update: the Michigan Governor Rick Synder has vetoed the legislation]
If signed by the governor, the measure would also permit firearms in hospitals and stadiums for good measure. Ohio, Oklahoma and Alabama are considering their own expansions of gun laws.
Churches and businesses could still post signs prohibiting guns to exempt themselves from the law.
As of Dec. 1, there were 351,599 concealed weapons permits approved in Michigan, according to the State Police website.
Source: Business Week
Dredd wrote:
1, December 19, 2012 at 8:33 am
“They seem to have a magical element in their thinking, because we know that things can happen to sane and sound people which turn them into mass murderers at schools.
“That includes police, teachers, principals, and other school officials.”
What?? “… we know that things can happen to sane and sound people which turn them into mass murderers at schools. … That includes police …”
What?? Police shouldn’t have guns?? Well, very nice. First, disarm the peaceable citizens. Then disarm the police. Then maybe all the criminals will disarm themselves and turn those nasty icky guns in.
http://rense.com/general5/guncontrol.htm
Google “guncontrol just facts” and what should be at the top of the hits will give you a lot of factual statistics and not opinion.
The 12,664 homocides you listed are both justified and unjustified homicides. About 2/3 of which are bad guys shooting other bad guys, good guys shooting bad guys or police shooting bad guys. We have a major gang problem in the country. Generations of fatherless children with no hope or love in their lives. The gang is their family and who they are looking to for validation.Very sad. The phrase you used “caused by guns” shows a mindset. They were done “with” guns not “by” guns.
saw a fellow named Painter this am, who was a memebr of the Bush administration, ethics counsel I believe (ethics and Bush being oxymoronic but thats for a different post). He was discussing how the NRA is a bully and will threaten those running with that if they do not agree with NRA positions the NRA will pull out their support and throw their money behind another person who will support their agenda. I guess this is what our democracy has become, not only to the highest bidder but extortion is fine.
(This is NYT article by Painter: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/the-nra-protection-racket.html?_r=0 )
Fabien,
Nice name. As I said, i knew a guy whose pop was in La Résistance, from Voges Mountains
Pruett is for me the character that Frank Sinatra played in “From Here to Eternity”. Maybe!?
It’s the name of a Harry Potter character
By the way. My first name is the real one. Last name is not. I found it on the net while googling my real name.
I simply answered your flawed analogy. Didn’t need to demean you.
Fabien,
That was insulting as you heard. But that is due to your mindset, fixed quite firmly.
When I insult, I’ll signal it quite claarly. This was straight of the “honest” bucket.
Thank God for short *********. And that was only a cryptic snark, to tell your intellligence.
I have been on vacation all week. That’s why I’ve been able to participate in this. I’m at Big 5 right now. Buying a new Mini 14 stainless steel model with a 4X scope. Thought I would buy a new one before they won’t let me. I have just about wore out my old one. 30years and 5000 rounds and it has never drawn blood on anyone. It MUST be defective.. Wonder how many people all over the country are doing that.
Idealist 707 Again you have a need to insult. Maybe that makes you feel superior . But let address your points. First of all no license,regulations is required to drive a motor vehicle on private property. It is only required to take it on public property. Licencing of the automobile is a function of Taxation not a function of Safety. Licencing the the driver is a function of safety and taxation. The burden of proof is upon GOVERNMENT as to why you should not get a licence to operate a vehicle on public property. It is not on the citizens as to “why” they “need” the license. Drunk driving check points are in place to make sure that nobody is operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated. If someone is on public property armed and drunk they certainly should be arrested. Again the burden of proof is on government as to why you arenot allowed to go on your way. Assumes that you are allowed to operate a vehicle on public property given you are not intoxicated. regulations on motor vehicles themselves are in place to assure the operator of the song and it will get you from point A to point B in a relatively safe manner. Even with all of this we have many thousands of deaths every year from drunk driving. Throughout all of this there’s 1 overwhelming theme. The burden of proof is upon the government as to why you should not be operating a motor vehicle on public property. It’s not a sweeping declaration that no 1 other than public officials can use the public highways. It does not say that you are not allowed to drive on public highways unless you can prove that you need 2
´Fabien,
You are on the right subject, but you don’t know yourself, much less the society you live in AND all relevant facts and relationships.
We have automobile registration whichi is routinely enforced.
We have police who routinely check for DUI.
And we have courts who routinely exact penalties for violations.
Now why should we NOT then add meaningful gun laws with minimum federal standards for commerce, public and private?
That’s right. Guns don’t get up and assault people. The mentally Ill may or may not. National data base is only good for confiscation. Serves no other purpose.
What would you say about a National Data Base on abortions preformed.???Keeping the names of people that have had abortions?? I AM NOT advocating that either, but would you consider that a violation of civil liberties.???????
“So tracking private gun sales is an unconscionable assault on liberty but we can have a national database of the mentally ill. ” Ezra Klein
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nra-ceo-only-good-guy-with-gun-can?ref=fpa NRA doubled down on their absolutist second amendment position.
You too! 🙂
Fabien, the NRA has a surprising amount of support here. Have a good day.
By the way, someone is only an “extremist” when they disagree with you.
Sorry “your opponent” not opposite. Voice activated texting again