We previously discussed the suggestion by a member of Congress that the Connecticut massacre could have been avoided if only teachers were carrying M-4 assault rifles. Now the Governor of Michigan is considering bringing that a little closer to reality with a bill that would allow concealed guns in public schools. Referring to the Connecticut massacre, Senator Tom Casperson, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said “to me it gives [teachers] a chance.” [Update: the Michigan Governor Rick Synder has vetoed the legislation]
If signed by the governor, the measure would also permit firearms in hospitals and stadiums for good measure. Ohio, Oklahoma and Alabama are considering their own expansions of gun laws.
Churches and businesses could still post signs prohibiting guns to exempt themselves from the law.
As of Dec. 1, there were 351,599 concealed weapons permits approved in Michigan, according to the State Police website.
Source: Business Week
Lol Swarthmore
Ignorant. That is thrown out to discredit your opposition. Its a tactic right out of the book (Rules For Radicals) “isolate and discredit your opposite” call them names so no one will even listen to what they have to say.
Are you a racist?? What’s this “white man control”???? Ugly stuff! I just caught that. I judge people by the content of their character, NOT the color of their skin
So sad for you. 🙁
“The NRA’s Board of Directors is supposedly bipartisan, but that’s a transparent disguise. As the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence points out:
One only has to look to the NRA’s Board of Directors to discover that the organization is operated by a group of individuals who promote racism, misogyny, homophobia, anti-immigrant animus, religious bigotry, anti-environmentalism, and insurrectionism. Some active board members have even had close relationships with brutal dictators in outside nations. Put simply, members of the NRA leadership no longer make for polite company.
Moreover, while superficially bipartisan, the NRA is closely aligned with the most extreme elements in the Republican Party and has brought a number of the GOP’s most influential operatives into positions of power within the organization. The GOP and NRA are now locked in a symbiotic relationship where Republican legislators advance the NRA’s extreme agenda while the NRA musters its hardcore supporters to serve as attack dogs for a wide range of conservative causes.” Daily Kos
No problem this is a friendly conversation. But see, this is part of the problem. People speak that of which they do not know. You said ” Studies have indeed linked increased violence with gun fascination and unregulated gun ownership” You throw that out as a fact. Please site your source I have sited mine. That’s just one. Also FBI uniform statistics shows the state’s with the least regulation on guns for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS have the lowest crime rates. How ever you don’t FEEL that emotionally. It’s a phobia.
Please give click as to regulation vs crime stats with guns.
Here si a link:
The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world – there are 89 guns for every 100 Americans, compared to 6 in England and Wales.
And the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 – the latest year for which detailed statistics are available – there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms.
The FBI crime statistics are based on reports to FBI bureau and local law enforcement. The figures are not complete – there are no stats for Florida or Alabama on firearm murders. But even so it provides a detailed picture of attacks by state.
Crime across the US – roll over line to get number
In fact, gun crime, like all crime across the US (and the UK, for that matter), is going down – you can see how much in the graph above. And the vast majority invlove firearms.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
Sorry Fabien, I don’t do assignments unless I’m taking courses for credit. You can continue to believe what you believe, I have no problem with that. Also, you can give me an F in your course on how to think about the problems we face. It won’t hurt my grade point average at all.
Now let me tell you what I will support. I would support mandatory prison time for stealing a firearm. 10 years I would support 10 20 life for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 10 years if you pulled a gun. 20 years if you x different discharge a gun. 25 years if somebody is injured that is 25 to life if someone is injured liverl or die
Really????? And what studies are they??* read Professor john Lott’s book “More Guns Less Crime* I have just giving you 1 source please give me 1 for your studies. Using voice activated texting please forgive that it is not always typing accurately. Wonderful technology though
Studies have indeed linked increased violence with gun fascination and unregulated gun ownership in this country, and probably, in “this culture.” Drop back a nightmare or two and you find a guy getting thousands of bullets through the mail who then shoots up a movie theater, etc. There may not be a direct and isolated strictly causal relationship, but now law that we have passed as a society or as a nation has been based on the necessity for “a direct and isolated strictly causal relationship.” We do what we can with the law to engineer what we can with our society so that it is measurably better after passage and implementation of the law.
When my kid wanted to ride his motorcycle, he would say to me, “Mom, more people get killed in cars than on motorcycles every day.” After he had an accident in which he was nearly killed, his bike was wrecked, and he broke his right hand (which meant his income was negatively affected), he said, “I’m not getting back on the bike; it’s not safe.”
We have laws to try to deal with the problems we have, and we try to regulate our system to decrease the problems. Imagining or insisting that we have to PROVE that one law will definitely solve all related problems, before we enable ourselves to start dealing with it effectively, is counterproductive.
We do need gun control. We do need common sense. We do need what my friend calls “white man control.” We do need studies to direct us as to where to go next. We don’t need artificial “sine qua non” type analysis of every bit of the mess we’re in; we need to move forward with all deliberate speed.
I don’t have a fascination with guns. The subject of this forum is guns. I will talk scuba diving if you would like. Jesus also. String theory is pretty cool. I see a true phobia of guns among some. I am amazed at the ignorance of the medi a reporting on them. Calling common firearms “machine’guns” “automatic weapons” none of which is true. We have always had easy access to guns in this country. Really nothing new other than the deep rooted sickness that has changed. I hold guns no more responsible than I do cars for the many thousands of drunk driiving deaths we have every year.I do appreciate that most of you don’t call names and we can have a civil discussion about this. Of course we will solve nothing here. Nor will gun control.
Mike S.,
don’t hold your breath waiting for FP to admit that this country has a very large gun problem.
I can’t argue there except to say this administration will only accelerate the decline. Centralized power and micromanagement is always dangerous. I am a small government Liberal. I am not a leftist. There is a big difference. Peace to you and yours.
🙂
Malisha,
How careless of you. If some anonymous person should just mention your brick and mortar, why then the Care General Delivery will have at least a hundred packages containing pairs of handcuffs waiting for you.
And then you’ll be faced by thanking for the polka dot ones, the fluffy pink rabbit ones with real long ears, the 12 identical ones in RWB, etc.
It they were sent home the postman would report you to the FBI for suspicious activities. What activities? Doesn’t matter nowadays.
Like in the 1934 KGB, give us a suspect and we will create a case against him/her.
Look carefuly if your next president has a birth mark on his balding forehead or sports a moustache. .
Fabien,
I liked what you said at 12:34. It is a sick society. Anybody can give over a million examples, seriously Our whole lives are saturated by them.
I have seen it invade Sweden since 1968, and there is only two places it comes from. Our old fascists and the USA.
I love my country, served it both as a civiian and in the military. But I don’t love its system of governance as it in fact is today, and sadly has been for over 100 years—at least. I am neither a radical, a FNL supporter, nor a desertor as some were here in 1968. I was a rube. rootless and looking for adventure and Swedish blondes. I did not wake up then. Not until when Obama came along in 2008. He got me interested. And here I am today.
Good luck with yours.
And the million is not hyperbole.
That figure could be met and exceeded by reading the acts of law passed for bribes, the regulations removed from empowered government agencies books, the number of lobbies, the passages in and out of industry who suborned their oaths when assuming official office, etc etc.
Not a damn bit of it is necessary for either our security or our welfare.
You all there can best describe your lives than I can. But the view from here is pretty sad to see.
I can’t do it from here. The real question is if all of you can there.
If as Fabien says this is a sick society, a notion that I find viable, might he not consider that one of the aspects of this sickness is some people’s fascination with guns, which after all are tools for hurting people and animals.
“they said it was illegal to carry handcuffs in NY unless you were LE.”
You might try carring a pack of zip-ties sometime.
http://imgur.com/eA3FS (Zoom in – thay have bunches of them )
Cops seem to think that they make very effective cuffs.
NYPD – bringing you the S side of S&M
I went through the security checkpoint in the New York Supreme Court (Manhattan) one time and they seized and confiscated my grey plastic handcuffs that I was about to use for a collage. They cost me five cents at a garage sale but they were irreplaceable! The cops confiscated them and wouldn’t let me stop to pick them up on the way out of the courthouse because they said it was illegal to carry handcuffs in NY unless you were LE. I said they were not handcuffs but toys. They fussed at me and threatened me with arrest and I fussed back at them and said they had to give me a receipt or they had deprived me of property without due process and finally the woman I had gone to court with grabbed me by the shoulder and spun me around (she’s taller and stronger) and yelled: “Malisha come with me NOW I’ll give you new handcuffs I have a drawer FULL OF THEM at home!” I was so shocked (at her giving up her Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate herself) that I followed her into the courtroom.
Judge Lewis Friedman presided that day. He has since died on the treadmill. I am not making this up. Those cops kept my toy handcuffs. Oh, and she was lying; she never gave me any handcuffs and didn’t have a drawer full of them either. (Other S&M stuff maybe, I never asked.)
Boo Hoo.
FP, do you mind pink handcuffs? That is what my daughter carries. She likes pink. They are not; however, fuzzy. Smith & Wesson does not make fuzzy handcuffs.
“Men died on the battlefield for our freedom.”
Men died on the battlefield so that people could have guns.
**sigh**
I’m not macho far from it. Doesn’t bother me be leveloff in handdcuffs I will take that chance. However I have no broken no laws. Men died on the battlefield for our freedom. Handcuffs don’t bother me.