We previously discussed the suggestion by a member of Congress that the Connecticut massacre could have been avoided if only teachers were carrying M-4 assault rifles. Now the Governor of Michigan is considering bringing that a little closer to reality with a bill that would allow concealed guns in public schools. Referring to the Connecticut massacre, Senator Tom Casperson, the Republican sponsor of the bill, said “to me it gives [teachers] a chance.” [Update: the Michigan Governor Rick Synder has vetoed the legislation]
If signed by the governor, the measure would also permit firearms in hospitals and stadiums for good measure. Ohio, Oklahoma and Alabama are considering their own expansions of gun laws.
Churches and businesses could still post signs prohibiting guns to exempt themselves from the law.
As of Dec. 1, there were 351,599 concealed weapons permits approved in Michigan, according to the State Police website.
Source: Business Week
Yup. What mespo said.
Not ever the free speech right of the First Amendment is absolute. Don’t believe it? Make a joke about having a bomb in your luggage at an airport TSA security checkpoint.
FP:
You can try that “not a subject of the crown stuff” as you are being led away in handcuffs after driving your tank through down town LA. As I recall that was that wacko’s defense too. You can keep it in your pocket as you try to get through security with a handgun in your pants at the airport, too. Your right to play macho man with your gun comes with a limit whether you recognize it or not. The jails are full of guys who think their rights are absolute. What’s one more.
Because we are not subject of the crown. Our Constitution says we do. The Supreme Court affirmed it. We having natural right to self defense. Without the tools to exercise at right that right is denied
Just FWIW, here’s a reasonably interesting story on the Bushmaster:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/bushmaster_ar15_sandy_hook_adam_lanza.php?ref=fpa
FP:
“The real problem is a VERY SICK society that finds depictions of the suffering of other people entertaining.”
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Well that’s a broad statement. Most people I know don’t enjoy depictions of suffering and if they do it’s in the context of a movie or work of fiction. That does not translate to acting in that way. The problem is exonerating gun from the solution which gun radicals often do. There is no ABSOLUTE right to possess weapons anywhere in the world. Why do some think they have the right here.
Idealist707 what are you talking about?????? Again you are redirecting. I have Ca. Legal rifles.
You only need push the shell into the mag as you shoot. You NEVER need to run out. Agai,n the only thing that will stop a mad man with ANY gun is someone else with a gun. Some one with a sword would have killed those children. The real problem is a VERY SICK society that finds depictions of the suffering of other people entertaining. Natural Born Killers, Saw, Hostel, No Country For Old Men the Halloween series. People actually allow their children watch that crap. Then they give them video games in which they methodically execute people in games like “Sniper” Even the games in which heros do battle against bad guys like Modern Warfare desensitized these kids at a VERY young age. Stop slamming the tool and fi x this SICK society.
SWM,
Thanks for that.
Then the AR-15, which Fabien says he owns and uses, is NOT a single-pull=single-bulllet semiautomatic rifle. It is the M16, which is clearly, I believe, an automatic weapon, ie pull and hold down until you’re out of rounds. The M16 has of course a semiatomatic mode selectable.
In automatic mode the rearing action is minimal to say the least, making it easy to stay on target and selectively spray a wide angle.
The inventor deserved his money.
I saw a brief demo on YouTube and it had definitely advanced the technology of automatic weapons. The M! carbine had no range of accuracy, although it could feed 600 rounds per minute (memory from 1959).
The BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) required two men to operate from a mount in combat.
The most modern 1959, but little used was a blowback, light short axis weapon. Little better than the M1 carbine, previously mentioned.
The M14 then would be a semi-automatic weapon not generally used in an assault mode.
The dynamics of handling attests to its light weight. The bullet caliber and muzzle velodity are aimed at effective fire power and ammo light weight.
Better a moveable soldier and preferably from different vantage points tham a BAR or the even heavier M30.
The military repetoire includes other specialty weapons for sniping, etc.
LET’S HAVE GUN REGS LIKE THE UK.
PS Next week I’ll tell you how we made light wands a la Kenobi back in 1950. Simple household items will do. (kenobi was not film then if you are wondering)
FP:
It’s a lengthy reloading process per round fired compared to the 30 round combat banana clip of the .223 giving first responders more time to react and potential targets to flee the area.
NickS,
Nooooo! You hadn’t told me. Just exactly what your relationships were is not clear to me.
For myself, one of my first lady friends here in Sweden was a DA, and into ladies and well-equipped men. Although I was not interesting after a test, we remained friends. and I shared my lady friends (and a qualified buddy) with her. Not regularly, however.
Another was a successful artist, who after an entertaining career as a Swedish masseuse in SF, returned to here.
She helped my girlfriend over the threshold. And then there was………!
Shotgun is easily reloaded as you shoot. Regardless. It won’t stop until someone else with a gun stops him or he decides to stop
Fabien:
Ballistically speaking, and given the variance in muzzle velocity and projectile diameter the carnage per victim would be worse with the shotgun equipped with 0 or 00 or 000 buckshot. However, the increased rate of fire with the Bushmaster .223 would have suggested more victims than the typical 5 round hunting shotgun. That appeared to have been the shooters intent.
Yes.. horrible! The same carnage could have been done with a shotgun designed specifically for hunting when directed at unarmed people. :-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(
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TPMMuckraker
A History Of The Rifle Used In The Sandy Hook Massacre
When he died in April 1997 at his home in Palm City, Fla., Eugene Stoner was a millionaire with about 100 patents to his name and, in the words of an obituary that ran in The New York Times, a reputation as “one of the world’s foremost designers of and experts on small arms.” In the late 1950s, working as an engineer for an upstart California company called ArmaLite, a division of the Fairchild Aircraft & Engine Corporation, Stoner had developed the AR-15 rifle.
After some bureaucratic resistance and early mechanical issues, the AR-15, rebranded by the military as the M16 and manufactured by Colt’s Firearms Division in Hartford, Conn., made its way onto the battlefields of Vietnam and into the American popular imagination. Its profile became synonymous with the term “assault rifle,” and it stood in contrast to its Soviet counterpart, the AK-47, designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov in 1947. Lightweight, air-cooled, gas-operated, and magazine-fed, four variants of the M16 — the M16A1/A2/A3/A4 — have been used by the military since the 1960s. A more compact version of the M16A2, the M4 carbine, was introduced in the 1990s.
When Adam Lanza stepped into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., last Friday, he was holding one of the millions of civilian descendants of Stoner’s design.
Two handguns and a rifle were recovered at the scene of the massacre, but reports have indicted that Lanza used the .223 semi-automatic rifle to shoot most, if not all, of his victims, including his mother, Nancy Lanza, to whom the gun was apparently registered. On Saturday, Connecticut’s chief medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver II, said that each of the victims had received multiple gunshot wounds.
“My sensibilities may not be the average man, but this probably is the worst I have seen or the worst that I know of any of my colleagues having seen,” Carver told reporters.
Idealist707. What IS your point??? You are commenting on something I have not made a point on. The point I made .. again; follow closely: a comment was made that the Bushmaster AR15 type 5.56 rife “is only good for 40 yards” I said “no not true” “mine is good for 500 yards” this has nothing to do with the shooter. It is the function of the rife when stationary “bagged”. I also said a Bushmaster AR15 TYpe rifle “standard off the shelf is capable of 12″grouping at 300 yards. I then said “my Mini 14 is capable of 14″ grouping at 300 yards” Actually it’s12-16. I said on a good day I can do that standing with a 4 power scope. Didn’t say that was defensive or “combat” shooting. The scope is so I can see the bullseye at 300 yards. Now this has NOTHING to do with”combat ” shooting. It was merely a commentary on an ignorant statement about The Bushmaster AR15type rifle “only being good for spraying bullets at 40 yards” PLEASE TELL ME IN ALL OF WHAT I JUST SAID IS WHAT IS TECHNICALLY INACCURATE .Surly you are not that dense and you are just trying to redirect and make my statement out to be something it wasn’t.
ID, I may have told you this but the demographic w/ whom I do the best are lesbians who love women. The man hating lesbians by definition don’t compute. But women who love women are the best for me, no sexual horseshit and no alpha dynamic. There are a lot of them where I live.
About “calm down”: I did daycare for a living at one point. I also cared for a kid who had Asperger’s Syndrome. I learned (both ways) that saying “calm down” would result in a very paradoxical response. If I wanted a kid to calm down I would drop my voice, almost to a whisper, and say, often, “hmmmmm…just a minute, I have to think.” Then they would calm down.
Gene H, in the early 70s I had a night job in an all-night deli in NYC. At 3:00 a.m. each morning a guy would come in and have coffee and a bagel and tip me a quarter (which was a 50% tip) and chat with me while I cleaned up my station. I then found out that he was feeding me lines to talk about and then selling one-liners that I had said while we chatted and laughed; he was a comedy writer. So one night on late-night TV Marilyn Michaels used a line I had said to him the night before. I asked him why he never let me know or cut me in or helped me become a comedy writer too and he said, “Are you kidding? 90% of your stuff I can’t sell; it goes right over people’s heads.”
Fabien,
A small point: sitting bagged is not a combat position to recommend.
Your superiority of knowledge is not access to a lead position, nor generally an aid of your cause, if used in an unpsychological and clumsy way.
Consider why you need to counteract ignorance in such a fashion.
70 wasted years says that.
I’ve made my points for now. I trust you are satisfied.
To all,
Nice to see my comment and challenge to NickS got such a fine response.
I wrote it with that intention, and honestly other intentions too.
If I express something flattering, it is not meant as such, but instead for emphasizing the importance of what was seen by my eyes..
I still stand by my description, but we agree that it is natural. For every dissension cited by MikeS, there are 5 times as much of running to the rescue, or ganging up, or just being quiet when it is a buddy who makes a fool of himself. Maybe that is how society works.
And some of you were brought up learning how to exclude, regardless of merit. From announcements displaying private communications, to referrals to hotels visited, to first aid kits for children received as a child visiting a Senator. Yes, you do know the game. And being here has been a learning experience for me. Remember I was never a part of it. So it is all new.
We need to share, to show compassion for each others needs.
(I recently was gazed upon with compassionate warmth by a young dinner guest, a new acquintance, where I was not host.. Nick may note that this was a first time from a man for me. You and I share a preference for women. My reasons, your reasons? We men are emotionally handicapped we so often hear clichéd, and ball-busting is not always the best way of buddying, choosing just one of many ways of expression.)
If you fear, you tend to continue to fear. My fear here has more or less disappeared. Not that I will write better, but maybe more like other cool heads here. Not looking, as some do, for snarks, open or hidden.
Malisha was openly praised. I think she can be a big gun. So much seen and so much learned. If she has time for us. Other’s faux pas are ignored. A quick quip with no sharp points aimed or implied is always a winner.
She is always dedicated to forwarding the conversation, although she exerts her right to passion, just as Mike does.
I use names, I write without forethought. My intent is not to injure.
That’s it.
And to the anchorites: I bid you well also. You know who you are. Your handicaps are yours, Keep them. Getting people to fit in boxes is difficult, but easy work for others.
I consider always the sources of comments, and at times even reflect over the content—–seldom rewarding.