Despite an international outcry and effort to pay traditional “blood money” in the Saudi legal system, the Kingdom has cut the head off a Sri Lankan maid for allegedly smothering an infant child when the nanny was just 17. The maid was decapitated by a swordsman in Riyadh under the country’s Sharia based legal system.
Rizana Nafeek was sentenced to death in 2007 but Sri Lankan government appealed the death penalty and many international groups decried the ludicrous trial and draconian sentence. While under arrest, the maid signed a confession written in Arabic that she did not understand and later retracted. It did not matter.
Saudi Arabia beheaded as many as 76 people last year.
Source: National Post
Gene,
I suppose Fatima means nothing to you…. I bet Mike S even knows the term for a Jewish seer….
AY,
“Your argument that he’s not a Christian and occultist at the same time is inconsistent with fact”
Learn to read. Better yet, learn to understand. Maybe Elvis can teach you to do that if you can get Bigfoot to swing by in the UFO and drop him off.
My argument is that he was a Christian albeit a twisted one.
This was to counter the argument that having an interest in the occult (which does not make one a de facto occultist) automatically precluded him being a Christian. Your argument as reflected above is one big ol’ straw man. And you still know what you can do with it.
A christian is like Christ.
Gene,
Some still believe that Elvis Presley is still alive and have sited him many times….. I think he’s dead….. But I don’t know for sure…. I didn’t witness his death and or autopsy….. But I’ve never seen him either….. So the only thing I can rely upon is the various news feeds that I read or saw….. I don’t deny that he’s dead…. I do know for a fact that people write based upon experience and the history they have been taught….. Your argument that he’s not a Christian and occultist at the same time is inconsistent with fact….. You believe your way and ill believe the history that I’ve read….. Makes no real difference because we are just expressing our own opinions based upon the history we believe….you’re entitled to yours…. And just because you disagree does not make you right except in your mind….and that’s all that matters…..
“National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity’s immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches.
“The Christian Churches have long been aware that exact scientific knowledge poses a threat to their existence. Therefore, by means of such pseudo-sciences as theology, they take great pains to suppress or falsify scientific research…No one would know anything about Christianity if pastors had not crammed it down his throat in his childhood. The so-called loving God by no means reveals the knowledge of His existence to young people, but amazingly enough, and despite His omnipotence, He leaves this to the efforts of a pastor. When in the future our youth no longer hear anything about this Christianity, whose doctrine is far below our own, Christianity will automatically disappear.
“[…] When we National Socialists speak of a belief in God…[we mean] [t]he force which moves all these bodies in the universe, in accordance with natural law, is what we call the Almighty or God. The assertion that this world-force can worry about the fate of every individual, every bacillus on earth, and that it can be influenced by so-called prayer or other astonishing things, is based either on a suitable dose of naivete or on outright commercial effrontery.”
“Any influence that would impair or damage the leadership of the people exercised by the Fuhrer with the aid of the NSDAP has to be eliminated. To an ever increasing degree the people must be wrested from Churches and their agents, the pastors…Only the Reich leadership, together with the party and the organs and associations connected with it, has a right to lead the people. Just as the harmful influence of astrologists, soothsayers, and other swindlers has been suppressed by the state, so it must be absolutely impossible for the Church to exercise its old influence.”
(Martin Bormann, Reich Leader, 1942, ‘National Socialist and Christian Concepts are Incompatible’, From Kirchliches Jahrbuch fur die evangelische Kirche in Deutschland, 1933-1944, pp. 470-472, quoted pp. 245-247, George L. Mosse, Nazi Culture: A Documentary History).
“…I may be no pious churchgoer, but deep within me I am nevertheless a devout man. That is to say, I believe that he who fights valiantly obeying the laws which a god has established and who never capitulates but instead gathers his forces time after time and always pushes forward—such a man will not be abandoned by the Lawgiver. Rather, he will ultimately receive the blessing of Providence.”
(Adolf Hitler, in his June 26, 1944 speech to industrialists, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 555, Inside the Third Reich.)
“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”
(Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)
“The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”
Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
— Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
“…under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, ‘National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.’
“The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be national churches of the German Reich.
“The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably…the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800…
“The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.
“The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…'”
“On the altars there must be nothing but ‘Mein Kampf’ (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.
“On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.”
(The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William L. Shirer, p. 240 in some editions, p. 332 in others. Chapter headed “Triumph and Consolidation”, subsection “The Persecution of the Christian Churches”)
“There is no contradiction between the two gene….. A belief in the occult is not inconsistent with the bible [. . .] To say that they are inconsistent….. Is plausible deniability….”
This statement in itself is a contradiction. If they (Christianity and an interest in the occult) are not incompatible, then the deniablity is not plausible as it is not a binary choice which ergo comports to the information that Hitler was a Christian even if he consulted an astrologist and associated with actual occultists. Which is what I said and then you accused me of historical revisionism.
Get your story (or at least your baseless accusations) straight.
The ones engaging in historical revisionism are the ones claiming Hitler wasn’t a Christian when there is abundant evidence that he was albeit in a way he twisted to make it more compatible with his Nazism.
The occult goes contrary to the teachings of Christ. Jesus tells us to not try to talk to the dead..People end up communicating with evil angels impersonating those that have passed on. There is no truth in them.
There is no contradiction between the two gene….. A belief in the occult is not inconsistent with the bible…..many people have many different talent…. Some speak in tongue….. Yadda, Yadida, Yadda…….
To say that they are inconsistent….. Is plausible deniability….
mike spindell:
considering religion is nothing but a proto-philosophy, your remarks are well received and agreed with.
man has a spirtual nature and will fill it with whatever ideology is handy. One has to be on guard against the resulting dogmatism.
Religious people wanted jesus, and Lazarus dead. Religion is what the religious people wanted to do to Jesus. Arrest him, and kill him. It should not take much brain power to see that whoever kills or whats to kill or arrest is religious. That means those that do not want to do that are the Christians. Religious people pervert scripture convincing themselves that arresting, and killing is godly. The zoosexual being attacked is a good example of religious militaristic oppressive sodomistic activity..Read Isaiah 1 KJV. You will find that they had religious practices.
hey mickey your so fine you blow my mind hey mickey it says that the church will lie that they will be on the front lines and that MY WORD is law is written that I will not know where two start when writing that I would know the weighs it says that the PROPHET, and JESUS would know war so we could guide you against those who are singing the song of on word christian soldiers marching ass to war with the cross of geeze-us? going on before and why are thee hell are they going to fight against GOD who was to ranger school and MY SON was to ranger and seal school sow don’t tell everybody were so we’re so PHucking nice when my four we’ll drive cat got stuck in neuterall butt it has a kick start so don’t blow a you tube artie when you read this because somebody wrote that you must have carnal knowledge of GOD to get into HEAVEN when the earth was flat sew you better hope that is just a metaph whore ! so guns will be legal to stop tyrants sew you don’t have to think about any government taking over the country and oppressing the helpless people as a maximium when frankly hit it dead nuts on at 307/1112013.
YES!
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian
Which says pretty much what I said. As does . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
And this . . .
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
All of which comports with everything I’ve ever read about him.
The only people interested in spinning that he wasn’t a Christian are Christians in denial of the facts. So you can double what I said you can do with it earlier, AY. Believe whatever fantasy you like. Hitler was a Christian. Not the kind Jesus would have approved of, but one nonetheless.
Try this link gene….http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/worldwar2.htm
Or this one….
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=fTOVyRWjZAw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfTOVyRWjZAw
No gene you just give no factual basis except your opinion to base your denying…. That’s why I called it as I said…. Plausible deniability…..
Mike,
The word “supernatural” is where this argument ends.
supernatural /ˌsuːpəˈnatʃ(ə)r(ə)l, ˌsjuː-/, adj.,
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature:
I’m pretty sure (as in “Let’s go to Vegas!” sure) Marx was confined by the laws of physics. Post-Marx Communism may be many things, but it does not endorse supernatural agency.
Whatever, AY. Reason and evidence a bit too much for you today? Consulting an astrologer is no more proof of Hitler being an occultist than saying I’m a Muslim because I’ve read the Quran. As for the accusation of historical revisionism? You know exactly what you can do with that. No lube required.
Gene,
Plausible deniability is an issue people deal with on a daily basis….rewrite history any which way you need..,..
Darren,
Will do.
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AY,
Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer. Was she an occultist? No. Obviously he was at least curious about it as he associated with members of the Thule Society, but that does not translate to Hitler being an occultist any more than me being curious about Judaism makes me a Jew.
“Saudi Arabia knew Rizana Nafeek was a child [but] they beheaded her anyway” – National Post
“Saudi Arabia beheaded as many as 76 people last year.”
“the US does more trade – overwhelmingly in oil and weapons – with Saudi Arabia than any other country in the Middle East”. -Glenn Greenwald
———-Glenn Greenwald today on the US relationship with Saudi Arabia
The US – alongside Saudi Arabia – fights for freedom and democracy in the Middle East
The ability to persuade people that the US opposes tyranny is a testament to the potency of propaganda
by Glenn Greenwald
Saturday 12 January 2013 09.07 EST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/12/us-saudi-arabia-libya-freedom
Excerpt:
“The US is not committed to spreading democracy and freedom in the US. “Freedom” and “democracy” are concepts it exploits to undermine regimes that refuse to serve its interests. Indeed, there is virtually an inverse relationship between how democratic a country is in the Muslim world and how closely allied the US is to it.
Yes, all of this is obvious and not novel to point out. Still, it needs to be pointed out because of how often the US government succeeds in leading people to believe that these are its goals. It’s just extraordinary that so many people are willing to believe and advocate that the US ever acts in the world with the goal of undermining tyranny when “the US does more trade – overwhelmingly in oil and weapons – with Saudi Arabia than any other country in the Middle East”. That this blatant sham is so widely accepted is a testament to the potency of propaganda, bolstered by the willingness of people to embrace self-flattering claims.”
Gene,
I think based upon various readings of Adolph Hitler….. He was instructed, constricted by Erik Hanussen an astrologer in the Weimar Republic and the beginning of Nazi Germany…… He was found to be Jewish and disappeared about 33’…. Was Hitler ino the occult….. There is very good reason and evidence to think so….. Some historians tried to edit any association with the Jews in Germany ….. Just like Stalins original financiers were Jewish….. Then…. They disappeared….. History has a way of being rewritten….
The book that is
Gene:
When you have published you have mentioned previously in this thread, let us know so I can buy one. 🙂