Sign of Our Times: The New Normal?

union_grove_sign_ketk.1368241232This is a sign from Union Grove, Texas where licensed and trained teachers and administrators now carry a firearm. Is this sign supposed to convince killers to move down the road to the less defended school?


As we recently saw, other schools are conducting unannounced practice raids by hooded police pretending to be homicidal killers.

The question is how is this new environment going to affect how our children view the world and their government. What impact do such signs have on children in accepting a greater role for authority and police presence?

Source: KNBC

86 thoughts on “Sign of Our Times: The New Normal?”

  1. Bah. Can’t edit original: …So every student should have armed guards.

  2. This Texan takes note that “The best defense against bad people with guns is good people with guns.” The president has armed guards. So every vulnerable student have armed guards.

    Will it stop all of the crazies? No. But it is better than unguarded children vulnerable to any crazy with a pistol.

  3. It is more likely that should a student at Union Grove die from gunshot wounds, the killer will be an armed member of the school staff.

  4. A triple homicide case I worked on involved a who that was prohibited from possessing a firearm. But that did not stop him from obtaining a handgun and shooting two persons to death, kidnapping a third then killing him out in the middle of a street to send a message to others. The one after that, several gang members, convicted felons themselves, killed another banger, after that a subsequent killing, again involving convicted felons retaliating for their buddy getting murdered.

    If a person is so resolved to kill people in a rampage, they absolutely are NOT going to be deterred by some misdemeanor or even a felony firearms violation. These laws do need to be enforced, but thinking a background check requirement to get a gun is going to protect society sufficiently is really falling short of what happens in the actual world. Why would a person be deterred by a misdemeanor charge when they are going to engage in a capital offense in murdering others?

  5. I’m frightened by the angry lion on the sign. Is the lion the school mascot? Just looking @ this askew.

  6. I had a few teachers whom I would not want to see armed.
    In grade school there was a teacher the kids all feared worse than death.
    If she knew how to use a gun SOMEBODY’da met their maker early.
    Or she’da shot that kid’s dog, who ate the homework.
    Not nice.

  7. Suicidal gunmen have such a fear of signs warning them that they might get shot by a lady teacher rather than by themselves.

  8. Rafflaw:

    “I guess my first attempt did not work. Gene, we have discussed this before, but the Sandy Hook shooting is a gun problem. A mentally disturbed or ill individual had guns that he shouldn’t be allowed to have and he killed 26 people. Without the universal background checks that everyone except the NRA and the congressmen and senators that they own agrees with, we will never be able to prevent mentally ill persons from buying and using guns.”

    Raff:

    Your factual premises are wrong. Adam Lanza did not buy the guns used at Sandy Hool. His mother bought them — and that very disturbed young man killed his mother and took her guns.

    Are you proposing that background checks include checks on relatives? Would you disqualify relatives of disqualified persons? Would you, for example, disqualify the spouse of a partner convicted of misdemeanor domestic abuse from owning a weapon, even if it was for protection from the abuser? What about relatives of convicted felons? What about relatives of people disqualified by reason of mental health issues? As far as I can see, that the only way your background check proposal would have a chance of “working” is if you disqualify entire families based upon the disqualification of a single member.

  9. raff,

    As you know, I’m fine with background checks, however, Sandy Hook would not have been stopped by background checks. They were his mother’s weapons, purchased legally and registered. Adam Lanza wasn’t old enough to buy guns in Connecticut. He killed her and took them.

    It wasn’t a gun problem.

    It was a crazy son problem.

  10. Dredd sedd: “I is not normal if it is new …”

    OT?

    Dredd Blog Identifies Most Dangerous Microbe” …. move along … just an old fashion love song

  11. Continuing OT:

    http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/05/13/doj-goes-nuclear-on-goldman-and-apuzzo/

    DOJ Goes Nuclear on Goldman and Apuzzo

    Posted on May 13, 2013 by emptywheel

    Excerpt:

    Meanwhile, John Brennan, who leaked the most damaging part of this (that it was just a Saudi sting), has since been promoted to run the CIA, even though, at least according to James Clapper’s definition, he’s a leaker.

    Also, note the language used here: “seized.” Not “subpoenaed.”

    That, plus the description of these as “phone records” suggests DOJ may well have relied on a National Security Letter to get journalist contacts, as I’ve long been predicting they’ve been doing.

    Update, per the more detailed AP update: Apparently the letter says they were subpoenaed.

    Update: Actually, the letter itself doesn’t say they were subpoenaed, and given that no notice was provided, it seems like NSLs are a likely candidate.

    Last Friday afternoon, AP General Counsel Laura Malone received a letter from the office of United States Attorney Ronald C. Machen Jr. advising that, at some unidentified time earlier this year, the Department obtained telephone toll records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to the AP and its journalists. The records that were secretly obtained cover a full two-month period in early 2012 and, at least as described in Mr. Machen’s letter, include all such records for, among other phone lines, an AP general phone number in New York City as well as AP bureaus in New York City, Washington, D.C., Hartford, Connecticut, and at the House of Representatives. This action was taken without advance notice to AP or to any of the affected journalists, and even after the fact no notice has been sent to individual journalists whose home phones and cell phone records were seized by the Department.

    This entire leak investigation was always a witch hunt, because sources in the Middle East were blabbing about it anyway, because John Brennan was blabbing to, and because the White House planned to blab about it the following day.

    But that, apparently, didn’t stop DOJ from throwing its most aggressive weapons against Adam Goldman and Matt Apuzzo, who first broke the story.

    End of excerpt

  12. rafflaw,

    I’m not getting my hopes up, but something’s gotta give…

  13. AP,
    I hope the Associated Press is successful in getting DOJ to tow the line.

  14. OT:

    Just another “sign of our times”:

    AP responds to intrusive DOJ seizure of journalists’ phone records

    http://blog.ap.org/2013/05/13/ap-responds-to-intrusive-doj-seizure-of-journalists-phone-records/

    Posted on 05/13/2013 by Erin Madigan White

    The U.S. Department of Justice notified The Associated Press on Friday, May 10, that it had secretly obtained telephone records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP journalists and offices, including cell and home phone lines.

    AP is asking the DOJ for an immediate explanation of the extraordinary action and for the records to be returned to AP and all copies destroyed.

    AP President and CEO Gary Pruitt protested the massive intrusion into AP’s newsgathering activities in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, May 13.

    In the letter Pruitt states:

    “There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP’s newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know.”

    “We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.”

    (Sorry about the duplicate posting. Forget to include the header.)

  15. OT:

    Just another “sign of our times”:

    http://blog.ap.org/2013/05/13/ap-responds-to-intrusive-doj-seizure-of-journalists-phone-records/

    Posted on 05/13/2013 by Erin Madigan White

    The U.S. Department of Justice notified The Associated Press on Friday, May 10, that it had secretly obtained telephone records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP journalists and offices, including cell and home phone lines.

    AP is asking the DOJ for an immediate explanation of the extraordinary action and for the records to be returned to AP and all copies destroyed.

    AP President and CEO Gary Pruitt protested the massive intrusion into AP’s newsgathering activities in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, May 13.

    In the letter Pruitt states:

    “There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP’s newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know.”

    “We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.”

  16. I guess my first attempt did not work. Gene, we have discussed this before, but the Sandy Hook shooting is a gun problem. A mentally disturbed or ill individual had guns that he shouldn’t be allowed to have and he killed 26 people. Without the universal background checks that everyone except the NRA and the congressmen and senators that they own agrees with, we will never be able to prevent mentally ill persons from buying and using guns. Even if we improve our mental health system.
    Add to that the idea that we should arm our teachers and school staff to carry guns in school is not an answer as you and OS have suggested. It will only add to the idea that we must be afraid. Maybe that is what the NRA and its bought and sold partners in Washington want.
    71 kids have been killed with a gun just since Sandy Hook according to Mother Jones. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/gun-deaths-children-newtown-caroline-sparks-crickett-firearms

  17. can’t wait until the first irate parent is shot by “accident”.

  18. no more slapping of the hands with rulers, pistol whippings !

  19. I’d sure rather see this than another “Gun Free Zone – Shoot Us At Will” sign outside a school. At least they’re taking some responsibility. Note that it does NOT say “Our school is full of armed guards,” but “Staff is armed.”

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