We recently discussed the decision by the Los Angeles district attorney not to charge officers who shot up a vehicle of an innocent man because they were acting in “an atmosphere of fear and extreme anticipation.”Officers were on edge in the search for cop-killer Christopher Dorner (right). We now have a decision in the shooting that proceeded the McGee case where eight Los Angeles police officers fired over 100 times. Margie Carranza, then 47, was cut by flying glass while her then 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez was shot in the back. You guessed it. No one will be fired or even suspended.
Let’s recap what these officers did and will now only be required to take a little more training. Police were searching for Dorner. Two women happened by the police delivering newspapers in a blue Toyota Tacoma pickup truck. (Dorner was driving a charcoal Nissan Titan pickup truck). Without clear identification and without any appearance of a weapon, the police fired 103 times at the truck.
A Commission has now completed its investigation of the officers and found that the officers were not at serious fault in trying to kill two innocent unarmed women and unleashing a wall of lead on a vehicle.
The Commission found that the officers did find that eight officers violated Los Angeles Police Department policy. However, a violation that results in gunning down an innocent elderly lady does not appear to be a firing or even suspending act of misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck insisted that this shooting was simply the result of “a tragic cascade of circumstances that led to an inaccurate conclusion by the officers.”
Of course, these women were hit by 103 “inaccurate conclusions.” Both could easily have been killed but that would not have changed the result.
The decisions in these two investigations will only reaffirm view of many that police are beyond increasingly beyond accountability while police powers are on the rise in our society. I find these decisions to be perfectly otherworldly. Both opinions tend to justify the actions on the basis for the fear and anticipation that existed at the time. However, police are supposed to be professionals trained to deal with such pressure. It is also worth noting that, if this were Dorner in the truck, it would have been highly questionable as a justified shooting since no weapon was present or shown to the officers. None of that seems to matter. It leaves a chilling message that police are at greater liberty to use lethal force (without positive identification or appearance of a weapon) when searching for a cop killer.
It is also worth noting that citizens are regularly charged when they shoot at officers by mistake under the same chaotic circumstances. They have also been cleared in shooting citizens who appear with a weapon in response to commotion. In the meantime, we have seen officers cleared and even honored in mistaken raids or shootings (here and here and here and here and here and here).
The increasing police powers in the United States and the absence of serious deterrent over misconduct or mistakes by some officers makes for a deadly combination. What is fascinating is the relative timidity of citizens in the face of even the most egregious abuse as we discussed recently with regard to New Mexico police officers. Likewise, there was no outcry recently with the incredible decision by the Dallas Police Chief that officers will no longer be allowed to give their accounts of shootings for the first 48 hours after officers were found to have lied in past cases. They will now be allowed to get their accounts straight before going on the record.
The final conclusions from the Dorner investigations sends a message to officers and citizens alike that even the most outrageous and potentially lethal misconduct by officers can be forgiven.
Sorry to hear that RobinH45.
What are you doing now?
I thank you – MUCH – for attempting to do the right thing;
which (almost always) seems to come at great consequence.
Thank Cheney & Dipshit for the “Patriot Act”, all as a result of mass hysteria following 9/11.
here’s your answer to all your questions… especially for those of you who never had a chance to read the christopher dorner manifesto
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/dornerlastresortmenifesto14feb13.shtml
In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”.
Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Gettler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect.
I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me.
CLICK THE LINK AND READ THE FULL UNCENSORED VERSION
RobinH45 – thanks, that makes me feel much more safe and secure. LOL. I have to laugh to keep my sanity.
Reblogged this on The Promiscuous Writer and commented:
I am not surprised that this happened in California. My husband did some research on police brutality in California. By the end of the third week of January of this year, they made it into the 40s.
Promiscuouswriter – I once, back in the early 1990s, did a four month long search for government corruption using the local paper, the Wall Street Journal and USA Today. Not one single day went by without a least one article on either an investigation, indictment or conviction. Just think if you took every single newspaper, as well as what the alternative media is uncovering and put a list together, The internet is changes our lives. Now, what do we do when we, for the first time have enough evidence to show without a doubt, that government, as those from the Austrian School of economics have been saying for 250 years, is the problem and not the solution. We much legalize the “Initiation of Force”; it’s for the public good?
There’s a difference between force used for those truly resisting and abuse.
Unionized government employees are left unaccountable and are impossible to fire because of their incestuous relationship with democrat politicians. Government employee unions must be outright banned for the good of the public!
Dont forget about all the dogs (family members) that police shoot regularly because the dogs are barking at them- like the recent incident in idaho (yeah that same idaho where ruby ridge occurred-that similarly started right after the fbi shot a dog) that was caught on police cruiser dash cam
Dorner was murdered for attempting to expose LAPD New World Order agenda. Just go to youtube and search “LAX mannequin” to see how they hoaxed the airport shooting just like they did in Boston. 100% busted! Teamwakemup has fully exposed the Sandy Hook hoax beyond any shadow of a doubt and then some.
They are coming for our guns because they want to make us slaves not because they care about our safety. Anyone who watches the controlled demolition of WTC7 that was not hit by a plane should know I am telling the truth let alone the stuff they admit like torture and murdering of Americans without a trial or any evidence at all. We are no longer a free country but rather a Dictatorship with all of Hitlers darkest fantasies comeing true right in front of our face.
Henry Chapman;
That being said – If Such Be True – then there’s a WHOLE lot of stuff going on out in this world; which is violating manifestly.
I know, Nick. That’s how I found it! 🙂
Its probably worth noting that exactly the same legal standards govern the use of deadly force by a police officer as by a civilian — the reasonable defense of self or another from the use of deadly force or serious bodily harm. The police have no special authority to use deadly force. The Supreme Court has specifically held that the police have no general authority to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing felon, absent some reasonable belief the fleeing individual poses a risk to life or limb; the same standard that governs a civilian’s use of deadly force.
This is a prime example of the institutional cowardice of the police. They were in a complete pant wetting panic by the fact that Dorner was on the loose, that they exercised no judgement at all, they just shot up the countryside. When they did corner Dorner, the cowards burned him to death, a standard police tactic when there might be some danger.
Frankly, I feel safer around the criminals.
Any way to get copy of the 38 page report?
So I can cite this in court if ever a mistaken no knock raid occurs on my house and I shoot an officer?
If the women had been black, Eric Holder would have been on the case charging a violation of civil rights. On the other hand, if the women had been black, the Los Angeles police and DA would already have these pocie officers hung. No need, then, for Holder.
LiveFreeOrDie here. What happens in LA, stays in LA.
They should be fired for shooting and they should be fired for missing.
103 rounds and the police scored a single hit! Bravo! Sounds like the safest place to be is in the bullseye with these clowns.
Kraaken,
If I’m not mistaken, you may have mentioned the Rothmiller book a couple of months ago? Having read it, based on the recommendation, I give it a second nod. Thanks.
Having been banned from the orange realm; I’m unable to re-post this there and discuss. It sucks in this case. In the Kelly Thomas case and the Zimmerman’s case. Where justice, common sense and decency gets turned on its head.
The by-product of a money, power and might makes right mentality.
Our true world!