God’s Messenger Cliven Bundy, His Wacko Disciples, and Uncivil Disobedience

Nevada-StateSeal_svgSubmitted by Elaine Magliaro, Weekend Contributor

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher and scofflaw, was hailed by some people as a folk hero and patriot recently when he—and his followers–engaged in a standoff with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Caty Enders (Esquire) described the scene in Bunkerville, Nevada, as pundits and politicians descended on the Bundy camp last week “to throw in their American flag hats with the BLM protestors.” She said that a FOX News van had been parked by the side of the road for days—and that “militia snipers kept a trained watch” up on a ridge “as Bundy held court.” She added that disciples of Bundy came from far and wide “to share their personal theories as to why the government was enforcing a court order.”

Bundy has had a number of advocates who have spoken in support of his militant stance against the BLM. Those advocates included some prominent politicians and members of the media. Sean Hannity was one of Bundy’s biggest boosters and helped to make him into a folk hero. Hannity talked with Bundy on a number of occasions on his Fox News show. Joan Walsh (Salon) asked a pertinent question about Bundy on Friday: “How does a guy who declared early on ‘I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing’ become a folk hero in the first place?” She said that both Hannity and Fox News should have realized that the Nevada rancher was “too toxic” prior to his “ongoing self-exposure as a racist.” She added that the extremism of Bundy’s statement about the US government “should have been warning enough that Bundy was not only crazy but dangerous…”

Enders posed a question that was in the same vein as Walsh’s: “Exactly how difficult was it, though, to determine pretty early on that Bundy and his followers were using the threat of force to back up some terrifyingly misguided beliefs?” Enders provided some insight into the thinking and beliefs of Bundy and disciples of his with whom she talked.

Members of the Bundy Brigade Speak Out

Enders spoke to a militia member named Mark who was affiliated with the Oath Keepers group. Mark explained to her “the truth behind public land management.” He said, “The assumption is that the BLM is part of the federal government. But we need to check the facts on that one. The BLM doesn’t work for the government: they work for the United Nations. They might as well be wearing blue helmets. If we find out there’s money being exchanged between Harry Reid and the Chinese government, no one should be surprised.”

Another Bundy disciple told Enders that “Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. ‘That’s what they do with all their clients.’”

Enders spent time talking to a former cop who chuckled as he related a story about one of his buddies who once worked as a sheriff in New Mexico. He said his buddy got into some trouble after he pulled over a group of illegals one night. He said his pal “didn’t have room to haul ‘em all, so he put a chain around their neck and put a padlock through it, went to the next one, then he chained ‘em to a tree!” Enders said that the former cop then buckled with laughter as he told her how his friend “left ‘em and went to town to get his pickup to haul ‘em all back in. So, you might imagine, that didn’t play well — ha! You’re a young’un, but everything wasn’t against the law, way back when.” The former cop also told Enders that it was now being proved that the Bureau of Land management was acting on orders “from Troy and Harry Reid, who want to build a solar farm on the land  —  or a wind farm.”

One of Bundy’s disciples drove a beige sedan covered with the following message:

IF YOU WERE BORN IN 1980 AND AFTER. YOU MAY BE IMPLANTED WITH A GOVERNMENT MICROCHIP WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE: GOOGLE DOCTORS THAT REMOVE MICROCHIPS.

Cliven Bundy, God’s Messenger

During the time that Enders spent at the Bundy camp, she witnessed one of the public addresses the Nevada rancher made to his followers. She said that as Bundy—who had just been given a standing ovation—took the stage, he didn’t seem pleased. She said that Bundy reproached the crowd “for failing to follow the word of God – to the letter …”— which he claimed was being “delivered through him.” He wasn’t happy that his supporters failed “to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.” Bundy added, “The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.” He continued, “The records of our bible — how long have they been kept? Thousands of years. They’ve been turned over generation after generation, buried, and all kinds of things happen to ‘em. And yet, here, something I felt was inspired [by God] and yet we haven’t even carried it forth for even a couple of days. Shame on us.”

Bundy expressed frustration because his followers hadn’t been able to deter the BLM “within an hour”—“as the revelation had prophesied.” When an hour had passed, Bundy reportedly got into his bulldozer and decided to march on the BLM himself. His dozer got stuck in the mud—and that led to Bundy’s receiving yet another revelation: “It come to my mind real plain — the good Lord said, ‘Bundy, it’s not your job, it’s THEIR job.’” Bundy reiterated that revelation a little differently in an effort to ensure that his followers understood what he had just told them, “This is not my job, it’s YOUR job.”

Bundy said that he received a message that morning after he prayed. He claimed that he heard a voice say, “Sheriff Gillespie, your work is not done. Every sheriff across the United States, take the guns away from the United States bureaucrats.”

 Uncivil Disobedience

Even  The Weekly Standard–as well as Glenn Beck–has been critical of Cliven Bundy. The magazine’s Scrapbook explained the whole Bundy situation with regard to grazing fees and court rulings. The Scrapbook said that what had transpired over the years didn’t sound “like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around.” It said it sounded, instead, “like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and ‘tying up the courts’—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law.”

The Weekly Standard:

Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.

Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 1 (The Daily Show)
Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 2 (The Daily Show)

 

SOURCES

Life at The Bundy Ranch, Uncensored: Live From Bunkerville! Welfare negroes, the United Nations, sexually devious lawyers, satan, a Chinese solar farm, microchips, secret-agent NPS, and more! (Esquire)

Fox News’ new laughingstock: Cliven Bundy — and Stephen Colbert — will destroy Sean Hannity (Salon)

Uncivil Disobedience (The Weekly Standard)

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752 thoughts on “God’s Messenger Cliven Bundy, His Wacko Disciples, and Uncivil Disobedience”

  1. Elaine,

    I’m sorry as well.

    But there’s this devilish side that want to hear what you have to say. Please, oh please?

  2. Nick,

    Just can’t help yourself, can you? My “buddies over there” had already been told about the sudden death in my family–as had Jonathan and my fellow guest bloggers at RIL. I contacted them all by email yesterday. Not that it’s really any of your business. Your expressed sympathies appear to be insincere. I’m too much of a lady to tell you what I really think of you at the moment.

    1. Elaine: Sorry for you loss. Sadly, it is all about ‘Meism’ with Nick. He can not help it.

  3. The critique was positive. It was all facts, providing numbers. There was no mention either here, or on Elaine’s other venue, of a tragic death. Indeed, she has been commenting and posting here and over there, amongst her buddies, w/o a word of a sudden and tragic death. I would have never said anything if I had known of a death. My record is strong on expressing sympathies to those grieving.

  4. My condolences, Elaine. Very, very sorry to hear of your loss. There’s not much comfort we can provide as a community here, but what little support we can offer at a time like this, we give to you fully.

    We’ll keep you in our thoughts and our prayers, anticipating your return to less important matters here at T-blog.

  5. Then nick how about sticking to the facts and quit the personal criticism, attacks. They are poorly timed, all the time.

  6. My sympathies to you and all who knew the deceased, Elaine. This was constructive criticism, but obviously w/o knowing,. poorly timed.

  7. Annie & RTC,

    Thanks. It’s good to hear something nice when one has had a difficult couple of days. There has been a death in my family. It was unexpected–and came as a great shock to us. We are dealing with it as best we can.

    BTW, I am used to the criticisms aimed at me continually by a particular individual. I find it best to ignore the baiting and to move along.

  8. RTC

    I broke down and went to fbi.gov myself. As suggested, that &700/per family is for all fraud. Mr. Spinelli is misleading.

    From the fbi.gov site:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    “The total cost of insurance fraud (non-health insurance) is estimated to be more than $40 billion per year. That means Insurance Fraud costs the average U.S. family between $400 and $700 per year in the form of increased premiums.

    “Common Schemes

    Premium Diversion

    Premium diversion is the embezzlement of insurance premiums.
    It is the most common type of insurance fraud.
    Generally, an insurance agent fails to send premiums to the underwriter and instead keeps the money for personal use.
    Another common premium diversion scheme involves selling insurance without a license, collecting premiums and then not paying claims.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Arson, fraud in reporting robbery, car insurance fraud, and all the innumerable ways Americans will go to to cheat.

    The thread was concerned with ONLY Workman’s Comp.

  9. Elaine,

    How do I say this, but I think you’ve been kissed. Lol. Just, ya know. Please post as much as you want. I don’t have a counter to know how many times a person has posted. As Annie said, we love you.

  10. Elaine: I agree with Annie; you’re a big reason for the success of this blog in my opinion. I hope you’re not thinking of leaving. I like it when you infuse poetry into your posts. i think it’s something we need to recover as a species.

    I also further agree with Annie that I need all the women I can get…. Oh wait, I just said the wrong thing there, didn’t I?

    My only complaint would be when you post those Fiore’s; I can never watch just one.

  11. Nick: I agree, I can’t afford to flush $700 down the drain, either, providiong al families are affected equally.

    I guess I didn’t understand what all the hubbub was about. No further explanations necessary.

  12. Elaine you are doing a great job. Most commenters here respect the hard work you put into your blog posts and the fact that you are active in the comments section. Don’t change a thing, you’re doing it right. Your numerous citations are informative and substantiate your stance on any given matter, again thanks! We, most of us that is, are glad you haven’t gone anywhere and remain a strong voice here. Lord knows we need all the women we can get.

  13. Elaine, I have noticed an increasingly provincial behavior. You make many comments on your threads[actually links for the most part], and virtually ignore the posts made by Mr. Turley and your fellow Gbers. You have made 42 appearances on this post, and only 4 on all the subsequent posts to date. Sometimes we need someone to give us some perspective on our behavior. There have been some great posts and lively discussions elsewhere. This one, while voluminous, has been pretty toxic. The other posts are less toxic and stimulating. We miss ya’.

  14. RTC, I did not say it was and certainly do not think it is. And, $700 may not be much to your family, but it is to many.

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