Submitted by Elaine Magliaro, Weekend Contributor
Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher and scofflaw, was hailed by some people as a folk hero and patriot recently when he—and his followers–engaged in a standoff with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Caty Enders (Esquire) described the scene in Bunkerville, Nevada, as pundits and politicians descended on the Bundy camp last week “to throw in their American flag hats with the BLM protestors.” She said that a FOX News van had been parked by the side of the road for days—and that “militia snipers kept a trained watch” up on a ridge “as Bundy held court.” She added that disciples of Bundy came from far and wide “to share their personal theories as to why the government was enforcing a court order.”
Bundy has had a number of advocates who have spoken in support of his militant stance against the BLM. Those advocates included some prominent politicians and members of the media. Sean Hannity was one of Bundy’s biggest boosters and helped to make him into a folk hero. Hannity talked with Bundy on a number of occasions on his Fox News show. Joan Walsh (Salon) asked a pertinent question about Bundy on Friday: “How does a guy who declared early on ‘I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing’ become a folk hero in the first place?” She said that both Hannity and Fox News should have realized that the Nevada rancher was “too toxic” prior to his “ongoing self-exposure as a racist.” She added that the extremism of Bundy’s statement about the US government “should have been warning enough that Bundy was not only crazy but dangerous…”
Enders posed a question that was in the same vein as Walsh’s: “Exactly how difficult was it, though, to determine pretty early on that Bundy and his followers were using the threat of force to back up some terrifyingly misguided beliefs?” Enders provided some insight into the thinking and beliefs of Bundy and disciples of his with whom she talked.
Members of the Bundy Brigade Speak Out
Enders spoke to a militia member named Mark who was affiliated with the Oath Keepers group. Mark explained to her “the truth behind public land management.” He said, “The assumption is that the BLM is part of the federal government. But we need to check the facts on that one. The BLM doesn’t work for the government: they work for the United Nations. They might as well be wearing blue helmets. If we find out there’s money being exchanged between Harry Reid and the Chinese government, no one should be surprised.”
Another Bundy disciple told Enders that “Bar-certified lawyers, like the ones who prosecuted Bundy, have sworn loyalty to the British government, whose statutes encourage sex with clients. ‘That’s what they do with all their clients.’”
Enders spent time talking to a former cop who chuckled as he related a story about one of his buddies who once worked as a sheriff in New Mexico. He said his buddy got into some trouble after he pulled over a group of illegals one night. He said his pal “didn’t have room to haul ‘em all, so he put a chain around their neck and put a padlock through it, went to the next one, then he chained ‘em to a tree!” Enders said that the former cop then buckled with laughter as he told her how his friend “left ‘em and went to town to get his pickup to haul ‘em all back in. So, you might imagine, that didn’t play well — ha! You’re a young’un, but everything wasn’t against the law, way back when.” The former cop also told Enders that it was now being proved that the Bureau of Land management was acting on orders “from Troy and Harry Reid, who want to build a solar farm on the land — or a wind farm.”
One of Bundy’s disciples drove a beige sedan covered with the following message:
IF YOU WERE BORN IN 1980 AND AFTER. YOU MAY BE IMPLANTED WITH A GOVERNMENT MICROCHIP WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE: GOOGLE DOCTORS THAT REMOVE MICROCHIPS.
Cliven Bundy, God’s Messenger
During the time that Enders spent at the Bundy camp, she witnessed one of the public addresses the Nevada rancher made to his followers. She said that as Bundy—who had just been given a standing ovation—took the stage, he didn’t seem pleased. She said that Bundy reproached the crowd “for failing to follow the word of God – to the letter …”— which he claimed was being “delivered through him.” He wasn’t happy that his supporters failed “to follow his instructions to tear down the toll booths at Lake Mead and disarm the Park Service.” Bundy added, “The message I gave to you all was a revelation that I received. And yet not one of you can seem to even quote it.” He continued, “The records of our bible — how long have they been kept? Thousands of years. They’ve been turned over generation after generation, buried, and all kinds of things happen to ‘em. And yet, here, something I felt was inspired [by God] and yet we haven’t even carried it forth for even a couple of days. Shame on us.”
Bundy expressed frustration because his followers hadn’t been able to deter the BLM “within an hour”—“as the revelation had prophesied.” When an hour had passed, Bundy reportedly got into his bulldozer and decided to march on the BLM himself. His dozer got stuck in the mud—and that led to Bundy’s receiving yet another revelation: “It come to my mind real plain — the good Lord said, ‘Bundy, it’s not your job, it’s THEIR job.’” Bundy reiterated that revelation a little differently in an effort to ensure that his followers understood what he had just told them, “This is not my job, it’s YOUR job.”
Bundy said that he received a message that morning after he prayed. He claimed that he heard a voice say, “Sheriff Gillespie, your work is not done. Every sheriff across the United States, take the guns away from the United States bureaucrats.”
Even The Weekly Standard–as well as Glenn Beck–has been critical of Cliven Bundy. The magazine’s Scrapbook explained the whole Bundy situation with regard to grazing fees and court rulings. The Scrapbook said that what had transpired over the years didn’t sound “like the dread hand of tyranny, in Nevada or Washington, oppressing an innocent farmer, or pushing some law-abiding citizen around.” It said it sounded, instead, “like a rancher gaming the system to his own financial advantage, and disguising his scheme in populist rhetoric: refusing to pay a tax which others must pay, and ‘tying up the courts’—for two decades!—as he continues to ignore the law.”
The Weekly Standard:
Far from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner, the federal government has shown patience and forbearance in the face of lawlessness that customarily lands people in jail. It is worth noting that Bundy’s rancher-neighbors and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, who contend with the same federal policies, offer him little support.
Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 1 (The Daily Show)
Apocalypse Cow – Welfare Rancher, Part 2 (The Daily Show)
Life at The Bundy Ranch, Uncensored: Live From Bunkerville! Welfare negroes, the United Nations, sexually devious lawyers, satan, a Chinese solar farm, microchips, secret-agent NPS, and more! (Esquire)
Fox News’ new laughingstock: Cliven Bundy — and Stephen Colbert — will destroy Sean Hannity (Salon)
Uncivil Disobedience (The Weekly Standard)
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Brian, How difficult is it to know when civil disobedience becomes necessary? Do the Citizens wait until it becomes to late?
“Teji Malik, You appear to be quite knowledgably on this subject so could you please provide us with all the known facts on this issue so that we can have a more coherent discussion given those facts. Or at least provide us with someone who is given both sides of the story in a truthful and unbiased manner”.
Let me use the same term as Nick Spinelli uses quite often. In order for you to educate yourself, Google it and do not be afraid of learning from it. You were dishonest when you talked about your customers’ sentiments and then when challenged went quiet.One wonders why!
“Brian, How difficult is it to know when civil disobedience becomes necessary? Do the Citizens wait until it becomes to late”?
The next time when you owe any taxes and also lost your cases in the court, create a civil obedience rather than paying what you owe as a GOOD citizen.
BTW, your car insurance and registration are due and your Driver’s licence is expired. Let’s see some disobedience from you. 🙂
Teji Malik, I am not dishonest. I may not have responded to your challenge because I do miss some posts and I must work for a living. Are you insinuated that since I did not respond, I must therefore be dishonest?
The rest of your comments do not answer the questions posed and I did not ask the question on civil disobedience of you. Your answer was interesting though. It seems to me that historically those that are most oppressed are most willing to be involved in civil disobedience and we have had quite a bit of it in recent years with the various protests going on in this country and around the world. Many people are no long happy with your sheepish mentality of shutting up and being a GOOD Citizens with all the injustice and oppression that is taking place. The Bill of Rights was put in place to protect the Citizen from having their rights usurped. To sit back and acquiesce to such usurpations to me is unconscionable.
FYI: I was hoping that you would have goggled this issue and enlightened us with your intellect. My hopes have been dashed.
Blind obedience and allowing injustice does not make one a GOOD citizen; quite the contrary. Sadly you do not appear to understand the fascist authoritarian rule by our oligarchy, despite the evidence. https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/harrietrobbins/9Fx8TwYU0OY
hskiprob: It is your duty to shed your ignorance, not mine. 🙂 Not paying what one owes makes one a criminal. I thought you knew that. Would you be fine if you were not paid commission on your sales of the real estate? Let’s be honest this time.
Teji Malik, Believing that our rule of law and the level of taxation and regulation being forced on the majority is just and therefore lawful is obviously the bone of contention. Just because one claims they owe one money, does not make it so or just.
you wrote: hskiprob: It is your duty to shed your ignorance, not mine.
I’m getting really sick and tired of people like you defending government corruption and tyranny. What kind of person are you???
Keep insinuating that I’m ignorant and I will make it clear who the ignorant one really is.
The individual you addresses has been suspended after responding to request not to make additional personal attacks with profanity and a clear indication that he would not yield to that request. I must ask that you do not respond in kind to such a poster. If there is something that you believe violates our civility rule, send me an email. However, we are trying to move beyond the slew of personal tit-for-tat postings in the last couple of days.
Thank you again.
I’d like to answer that, but the answer is fairly obvious. It generally starts off with me when a guest blogger is attacked and/or bullied for no apparent reason. Then the attacker backs off and the thread goes down hill from there.
I think the civility policy should apply equally, no one should be immune. Just my few thoughts on the matter.
I appreciate the effort that you folks put out here.
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