Russian Envoy: If Finland Joins NATO, It Could Trigger World War III

Finnish soldiers in the Winter War
Finnish soldiers in the Winter War
225px-Vladimir_Putin_official_portraitRussia and Finland have never had particularly harmonious relations and they appear to be getting worse. Finland is interested in joining NATO as part of its growing links to the West. Citizens will vote on a referendum on the issue. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s personal envoy Sergei Markov has responded with a menacing statement that “If Finland wants to join NATO, they should think first . Will you join and start World War III? Anti-Semitism started World War II. Russofobien can start a third.”

Russian threats to Finland are nothing new. Under Stalin, Russia created the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact with Hitler, including a secret pact to take over weaker nations including Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland. It would later backfire on the Russians when Hitler then invaded their country and they switched sides to the allies. However, Finland proved a disaster for the Russians. While they would prevail by sheer crushing numbers, the tiny army of Finland ran circles around the Russians for months and inflicted huge losses. Eventually, Finland ceded territory representing 11% of its land area and 30% of its economy to the Soviet Union. There is good reason for the Finns to look to the West given that history as well as closer cultural affinity to NATO nations.

Markov warned Finland that it might see a new World War and presumably Russian troops in combat operations. Markov is quoted as saying that Finland is one of the most russofobiske (russophobic) countries after Sweden and the Baltic countries. He has called the Finnish media “despicable” in their continued references to “Russian influence” in various bordering countries. Even more menacing is his prediction of a new federation including Donetsk, Luhansk, Charkiv, Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporozjie. He said it will be called Novorossija or “New Russia.”

220px-Molotov.braThat sounds a lot like the Old Russia to neighboring countries and Putin critics. While Putin and his aides have denounced comparisons to Hitler in his expansion into areas like the Crimea, his people appear to be morphing into historical villains. Indeed, Markov sounds a lot like the pathetic figure of Vyacheslav Molotov.

Despite the plummeting popularity of Russia and Putin outside of the country, Putin is soaring in popularity among Russians and anti-American sentiments appear on the rise.

For Putin’s part, he appears to be taking a page from Stalin’s playbook when Uncle Joe said “Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach.”

91 thoughts on “Russian Envoy: If Finland Joins NATO, It Could Trigger World War III”

  1. pete wrote “the continuation war continues”

    There were three phases of the Finnish-Russian War:
    – the Winter War where the Sovs invaded after they fabricated a Finnish attack
    – the Continuation War where the Finns invaded to regain the 11% of their country; they did not participate in the blockade of Leningrad
    – the Lapland War where the Finns were forced to throw the Germans out of Finland after signing a cease-fire with the Sovs; the Germans trashed the country on their way out

  2. What the world needs is more Laisez Faire. I’m not sure about this M guy but doglover is right in his Israel/Russia noncomparisons. And Putin let Snowden stay, which is good for Americans if not for our pathetic but powerful federal government.

  3. RTC:

    Nothing but a brick wall will put a stop to Putin. He doesn’t care about diplomacy. We have nothing he wants. He is taking advantage of the fact that we have lost our stomach for conflict after two interminable wars with no discernible goals. He knows he can get away with pretty much whatever he wants and we’ll do nothing about it except toss a few diplomats in his way for him to step on.

  4. randyjet wrote: “In FACT, it was the Bolsheviks that granted the Finns their independence”

    That is a crock. Research “Treaty of Brest-Litovsk” and get back to us.

    I’d write more, but Turley’s auto-censor won’t let me.

    1. saucy I suggest YOU do the same since the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was forced on the Soviets, and they only signed after the Germans attacked and grabbed more territory from the Soviet Union. It also had little to do with Finland. You might try reading about the Finnish Civil War in which the Whites murdered LOTS more folks than the Reds who had the majority of the people on their side. Of course, when one doesn’t have the majority on ones side, the only way to get a majority is to kill off more of your political opponents.

      Look up Baron Mannerheim, the Finnish “patriot” who was the Czars pet general and who spoke so little Finnish, his first language was Swedish, that he needed a translator when he was directing the Whites and the Germans who invaded to help.

  5. Oh, great. The Bear of Russia is now dictating to the rest of the world. This should bode well.

  6. fiver, NATO’s encirclement of Russia is no more aggressive then was Reagan’s Star Wars. NATO members join on the basis of non aggression.

    1. Vince, I suggest you read what I wrote. I said the Soviets killed fewer people in Eastern Europe than the US has in Latin America. I perhaps should have modified that to say after WWII, since that is when the Soviets had total control over that part of their world. The revolts in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, were very light on the total body count, compared to that of the USA in our empire. Honduras is now suffering under a US supported and backed dictatorship, Guatemala’s military dictatorship under US backing and control, murdered over 200,000+ people. Think that 200,000 died in the Hungarian revolt of 1956? It is NOT even close.

      To give another instance of the difference. In Poland, under Gen Jaraselski, the police killed a dissident priest who was outspoken against his dictatorship. They took him out one cold night, beat the hell out of him, threw him in a reservoir, he crawled out, and died of exposure. There was a world wide outcry especially from the Vatican.. The cops were arrested, tried and sent to prison for 30years. In the same decade, in El Salvador, the US backed regime which was not democratic at all, was busy murdering nearly 100,000 of its citizens who the regime thought did not show enough support for it. The Archbishop told the police and soldiers who were murdering the people to stop. A day or two later, he was shot in the head while saying mass. Nobody was ever prosecuted, nor found guilty. At the funeral, gunmen opened fire on the crowd of mourners. killing more people. The Vatican did little, the US did sent more arms. The current Pope is having some trouble making Romero a saint from within the Church since there are a number of people who think killing him was not a bad idea since he advocated mercy and not being mass murderers. Then we cannot forget the fun folks in Argentina, Chile, Brazil, where the current President was a victim of CIA torturers. All of those combined run to another 100,000 easily.

      Of course, if we wish to use ALL of the historical record as regards foreign countries not now or previously part of the US and Russia, the US still comes out the winner. The Philippines and Vietnam alone pushes the US into the millions murdered So while the Russian record is not something to sneeze at in going abroad and mass murdering people, the US record is FAR in excess of theirs.

  7. So by Mr. Markov’s logic, if anti-Semitism started WWII, uh, what?? The Jews invaded Poland??

  8. The United States has, historically, a very poor track record regarding support for those we place in power or ‘protect’ as they like to put it. Ask Saddam, Quaddafi, Bautista, Noriega, Diem; the list goes on and on. Were I Finland, I would certainly be cautious of accepting any kind of help from the US, even if it is channeled through NATO.

  9. “It is now apparent that the “Maiden protests” in Kiev were in actuality a Washington organized coup against the elected democratic government. The purpose of the coup is to put NATO military bases on Ukraine’s border with Russia and to impose an IMF austerity program that serves as cover for Western financial interests to loot the country. The sincere idealistic protesters who took to the streets without being paid were the gullible dupes of the plot to destroy their country.” – Paul Craig Roberts.

  10. It is now apparent that the “Maiden protests” in Kiev were in actuality a Washington organized coup against the elected democratic government. The purpose of the coup is to put NATO military bases on Ukraine’s border with Russia and to impose an IMF austerity program that serves as cover for Western financial interests to loot the country. The sincere idealistic protesters who took to the streets without being paid were the gullible dupes of the plot to destroy their country.

  11. Paul C. Schulte

    fiver and Al – the Soviets (read Putin) attacked both Finland and Poland in the past. I have no problem with either of them being in NATO. NATO is not an aggressor group.
    ==========================
    Some experts disagree with your opinion:

    It is now apparent that the “Maiden protests” in Kiev were in actuality a Washington organized coup against the elected democratic government. The purpose of the coup is to put NATO military bases on Ukraine’s border with Russia and to impose an IMF austerity program that serves as cover for Western financial interests to loot the country. The sincere idealistic protesters who took to the streets without being paid were the gullible dupes of the plot to destroy their country.

    (Paul).

    1. Dredd – who are the experts who disagree with me. Trot them out here to debate me.

  12. “Why was there not a debate in this country when we allowed the former Soviet satellite states like Poland to join NATO. ”

    Could it be because the US electorate are not the slightest bit interested in international affairs?

  13. Finland has the right to take steps to insure their defense and NATO is one of those steps.

    1. rafflaw, Then I guess you must have agreed with Castro, that having nuclear missiles in Cuba to stop US aggression was a legitimate step too. I do not. This is simply another outright act of aggression that the US is promoting to get into a strategic position to attack Russia. Finland maintained its independence quite nicely ALL during the Cold War with no problem when the Soviet Union was supposedly ready to attack not only Western Europe, but the rest of the world to impose Stalinism on it. So please explain, how it is that Russia NOW is more aggressive than the old Soviet Union supposedly was.

  14. International relations might be like the threads on this site. Debate inexorably escalates into vicious ad hominem attacks then Professor Turley steps in and separates the participants before the eph-bombs are launched.

    Since Harry Truman made the decision not to ramp up production at Los Alamos and the Pine Bluff Arsenal in support of the further adventures of one General George S. Patton to implement the Policy of the Israelites at Jericho, the West is left with viable adversaries and the world will have to get something negotiated post haste.

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