We have all cursed the weather man on occasion but North Korean forecasters are facing a more tangible threat this week. North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has turned his menacing eye on meteorologists and warned that there are “many incorrect forecasts.” Since reports state that Kim Jong Un had his wife’s former musical group executed, forecasters are understandably concerned that one unpredicted rain shower could bring lead showers. If Al Roker gets a call with a job offer from Pyongyang he might want to read the fine print.
Kim has of course continued his father’s policy of cutting off his country and virtually starving the population while he lives lavishly as a type of community godhead. There is no indication that he is anything more than a thuggish dolt. However, he went to the state-run Hydro-Meteorological Service to give guidance to the meteorologists that they need to avoid wrong forecasts. The problem is that his government has not only cut itself off from the world but the world’s technology. While spending a good portion of his revenues on weapons and a nuclear program, Kim has left North Korean in the stone age. Forecasters would have probably pointed out that they have been left with the scientific equivalent to a rock and metal rod for predictions, but that would result in a 100% chance of dead weathermen.
With a drought worsening the nation’s lack of food, Kim reportedly visited the site “to learn in detail about meteorological observation and weather forecast.” He is shown giving instructions to the meteorologists from his official state-recognized natural brilliance.
Paul C. Schulte
dredd – the Climate Council seems unable …
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You are unable.
Dredd – ad hominem attack.
Dredd
Karen S
When I was in college, my professors predicted another Ice Age as the next climate change.
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What years did you go to college?
Oops … not a fair question perhaps.
But I think your mind has fooled you, with a little help from your Oil-Qaeda friends:
(Bratters Are Wrong).
William Berry you have had a comment deleted in violation of the civility rule.
Paulette, your link isn’t working. Phoenix sounds like a hellish place to live and I’m not even referring to the weather.
The end of Phoenix?
http://www.thenation.com/article/173346/could-phoenix-soon-become-uninhabitable#
paulette – you have to get near the end of the article to find out that CA would dry up before Phoenix. Talk about hyperbole.
The last two years in Australia have been the hottest ever recorded, and there’s no sign that the heat wave is going to stop any time soon, a report released Sunday showed.
According to data compiled by Australia’s biggest crowd-funding campaign, the independent Climate Council, the period from May 2012 to April 2014 was the hottest 24-month period ever recorded in Australia. Next month, when the two-year period spans from June 2012 to May 2014, those above-average temperatures are expected to be even greater, the report said.
“Climate change is here, it’s happening, and Australians are already feeling its impact,” Professor Will Steffen of the Climate Council told the Guardian on Sunday. “We have just had an abnormally warm autumn, off the back of another very hot ‘angry summer.’”
(Australia Experiences Hottest Two Years in a Row).
Nobody is that exceptional on a globe … what is going around is coming around to us all.
dredd – the Climate Council seems unable to tell the difference between climate and weather. If they cannot do that, how can they figure out climate change. Besides, climate is cyclical. We know that from what little data Michael Mann has allowed us to look at or acknowledge.
Paul, Don’t the weather people in Phoenix simply say sunny and warm, sunny and very warm, or sunny and hot?
Nick – it is hot, too hot and too f**cking hot.
Dredd,
I guess that some folks’ concern for other people’s children ends once they are born. This is hyperbole of course, but it sometimes seems to be so.
“Meanwhile, the heat continues. On Wednesday, New Delhi enters day 10 of a blistering heat wave that’s broken at least one long-standing record, with part of the city peaking at 118 degrees Fahrenheit (47.8 degrees Celsius) on Sunday. During that stretch, the average high temperature at the airport in New Delhi has been 109.9 Fahrenheit (43.2 Celsius), with the average low an astonishing 84 Fahrenheit (28.9 Celsius). Days upon days with nighttime low temperatures above 80 Fahrenheit can be deadly, especially for those without a way to keep cool.” (India’s Heat Wave Is Unbearable).
Just tell India “the Earth will still be here when you are gone” … yeah … that should do it.
It would be interesting to see Kim Jung Un react to his weather people telling him “don’t worry, be happy, the Earth will still be here is the weather gets bad.”
Karen S
Dredd:
The Earth will continue after humans are gone.
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Oh Alka-Seltzer, what a relief that is.
Nothing matters then eh?
Kill, maim, destroy … whatever … nothing matters.
Climate has changed in the past … So throw Kim Jung Un into the sea or don’t … it doesn’t matter.
That is a good one for the kids: “oil qaeda is destroying the place but we don’t care, the Earth will be here after all of you kids are gone, Whoopeee!!!!
http://exxonhatesyourchildren.com/
Karen S,
Your sources are obvious from your statements. Anyone with any knowledge of the scientific reality understands that.
But more than that, some understand the deep fear this type of thinking, and it is thinking, comes from.
That is not a bad or good thing, just a reality.
None of us want to see our civilization go down, ourselves and/or our relatives with it.
You advance the old IBM rhetoric of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt).
This is no replacement for anything … it is denialism.
Which is a psychological dynamic.
Deniers denying that they are deniers is a classic phenomenon.
As the video explains, the same propaganda the tobacco industry used until the very last minute was a lie, criminal, and inexcusable.
The fossil fuel industry is doing exactly the same thing, and it is obvious that you, Paul, Joe, and others here have been had by the propaganda they are fostering.
Phil Jones, head of the Climate Research Unit, admitted that the rural stations in China were likely moved, which completely undermined his paper on China’s warming. This paper required that the stations had not moved. He also admitted that he lost the original data.
IPCC is rife with scandals such as this.
Science looks at all data, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Lost data is part of this overall picture.
And yet this faulty paper has been used as the cornerstone for many subsequent articles, and probably that little movie above.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/15/phil-jones-lost-weather-data
Dredd:
The Earth will continue after humans are gone.
Any conclusions you copy and paste are based on data with the problems I have already outlined.
In science, you do not say, “I’ve homogenized the data correctly. Even though I lost some of the original raw data so you cannot check my work, you can TRUST me. And please ignore the fact that 100% of my computer models have been wrong, and failed to predict accurately.”
Academics and industry function very differently, apparently.
I am not a “denier.” I cannot form a conclusion from a study that flawed. No one can. Science dictates the experiment must start over from scratch.
Sometimes scientists have a hard time facing the fact that their experiment failed and they have to repeat. I’m sympathetic, but that is no excuse to keep pressing on.
Do you not question the reliability of data measured in the hundredths of degrees Celsius taken with equipment more than 100 years old? Were data points taken accurately? What about the vast difficulty of taking 100 years of data points and extrapolating conclusions applicable to forecasting and hind- casting millions of years? Do you have no concerns about the billions of dollars taken away from important issues like mercury contamination and pumped into climate change? Because there is no magic money tree that creates additional funds. They must come from somewhere. If you commit them to one area they cannot be used in another.
Karen S
When I was in college, my professors predicted another Ice Age as the next climate change.
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Those types still exist.
And still say the same thing.
Here is a college professor who always stuck with the science, and who will explain where the deniers came from:
A recent paper, the first I know of, clearly says if things continue as is, not just civilization will collapse but human species will become extinct (PNAS).
Video explains why:
I enjoyed the discovery that dinosaurs used to roam the Arctic, which was much warmer in the past, with more diverse life.
When I was in college, my professors predicted another Ice Age as the next climate change. It wasn’t a question of when climate would change, it was when, and in what direction.
And climate is so complicated, involving complex relationships between oceanic currents and direction, glaciers, sun activity, humidity, vegetation, volcanic activity . . . the list is enormous. Any change in one component can have unforeseen consequences.
We could be uniting to fight universally agreed upon hazards, like air quality, water pollution, heavy metal contamination, deforestation, etc. But all those funds going to Global Warming take away from the money available for these clear and present dangers.
It’s not really a theory when everything that happens “proves” your theory.
Record cold proves your theory.
Record warmth proves your theory.
No change proves your theory.
Mild hurricane seasons prove your theory.
A single tornado proves your theory.
An earthquake proves your theory.
A drought proves your theory.
Studies that determine that droughts used to be longer proves your theory.
That is not science. That is politics.
Since we all know that climate has always changed, since the beginning of our atmosphere, how, exactly, do we propose to have mankind force the globe to maintain today’s climate?
Joe:
In industry, if someone said he’d homogenized the data to correct for heat island effects, but lost much of the raw data, so it could not be checked by peers, many of the original testing stations are missing, he compared current data from modern equipment with data produced by equipment 100 years old, he blocked requests for data to cover up the loss, and he included a paper written by a non-peer reviewed non-profit, we’ll we’d all have taken him out to get drunk. And then he would have put on his big boy pants and started afresh the next day. And that’s not counting the fact that every single computer model has been wrong. IPCC has consistently had a political agenda, and frequently gets reprimanded for ignoring basic science.
http://www.naturalnews.com/042304_un_climate_change_report_selective_data_junk_science.html
I do not know if there is anthropomorphic warming. No one does. When someone loses the raw data, you start over.
What I do know is that if the climate is not changing today, it will tomorrow. Look at the fossil record. Look at ancient coastlines. Look at the Medieval Warming Period, the Little Ice Age. Look at the fact that Polar Bears evolved white coats to adapt to a cooling climate. Look at the levels of methane gas produced in the time of megafauna, or of dinosaurs.
Mankind cannot freeze the entire globe at today’s climate, pardon the pun. And why should we? Why is today’s climate “better” than periods when it was warmer, and teemed with life? Or colder, during our Ice Ages? Extinction is the tool of evolution. Our climate has changed since Earth first gathered a gaseous envelope. And it will continue to do so long after we are gone. Flora and fauna evolve and adapt or it goes extinct. And we must adapt, because our world will not stop changing just because mankind walks the Earth.
“Climate change” has cache, and so we funnel billions of dollars into global cap and trade taxes, carbon markets, etc. Meanwhile, we do very little to address the mercury that has contaminated the oceans. In fact, what do we do? We promote CFLs to combat Global Warming, which will increase mercury pollution in the environment. We leave islands of plastic and trash floating in the Pacific. Arsenic from mining in our water table. We ignore deforestation and de-vegetation, and pollutants that destroy our phytoplankton and algae, and those are the oxygen factories of Earth.
Of course I want to maintain a gas profile that is optimum to mammalian life. I want to continually improve technology, which helped us evolve beyond chopping down Old Growth Forests for firewood. But can we please turn our attention to the less popular but universally acknowledged problems of mercury contamination and pollution in general?
Do you know not too long ago there was talk about launching missiles to release particulates to cool the planet? Considering the record cold temperatures we’ve been experiencing, that would have been a bad plan.
Do you know studies have determined that CA was subject to hundred-year droughts routinely, and the past couple of hundred years have actually been unusually wet? And that was BEFORE the Industrial Revolution!
My wife has an intense dislike for weather people which borders on homicidal. So, I can sympathize with Kim’s need for tidier weather predictions. 😀
Hurricanes in the U.S. seem to be the only form of weather to some folk.
Just ask them.