“They Have To Die”: Israeli Politician’s Comments Calling For Killing of Mothers of Palestinians Trigger International Backlash

220px-AYELET_SHAKED220px-Erdogan_croppedThe situation in Israel and Palestine continues to grow worse on both sides. First you had the savage murder of three Israeli teens. Then you had the retaliation burning of a Palestinian teenager. Now protests are erupting all over Israel and the world on both sides. Some of the coverage is focusing on statements made by Israeli lawmaker Ayelet Shaked on Facebook that day before three Israeli men went out and picked up Muhammad Abu Khdeir, 16, at random and burned him alive. Shaked’s post calls Palestinians “little snakes” and declares that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy.” Now comments by Israeli Knesset member Ayelet Shaked has caused an international outcry including contributing to a continuing rift with Turkey. Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has denounced the remarks and denounced Israel in an analogy to the Nazi regime. The situation is clearly getting worse by the day in the region.

Ayelet Shaked is a member of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party, which is part of the ruling coalition. She is quoted as calling for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes.” Shaked posted a screed on Facebook that various critics are denouncing as a call for genocide. Shaked reportedly stated: “They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists . . . are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”

The Facebook posting stated:

“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

Her comments have become the focus of the rising protests over Israel’s response to the killing of the teenagers and later rockets attacks. Turkey’s Prime Minister responded with to the comments and later Israeli retaliatory strikes with a charge that Israel is now engaging state terrorism. He drew an analogy that itself is likely to enrage many Israelis: “An Israeli woman said Palestinian mothers should be killed, too. And she’s a member of the Israeli parliament. What is the difference between this mentality and Hitler’s?”

Shaked holds degree in electrical engineering and computer sciences and she worked in marketing for Texas Instruments. She has past ties to Benjamin Netanyahu. From 2006-2008, she was the office director for the office of Netanyahu. She then established “My Israel” with Naftali Bennet, but in January 2012 she was elected to serve as the coordinator of Likud. She later became a Knesset member for the Jewish Home Party, a successor party to the National Religious Party. The party is committed to a nation governed by Jewish law under the belief that Jews are divinely ordained to rule over the Land of Israel. The party has been active in supporting the expansion of Jewish settlements in Palestinian terrorizes and largely represents Orthodox Jews according to news report.

Here is what has been posted as a full translation of Shaked’s statement:

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started.

I don’t know why it’s so hard for us to define reality with the simple words that language puts at our disposal. Why do we have to make up a new name for the war every other week, just to avoid calling it by its name. What’s so horrifying about understanding that the entire Palestinian people is the enemy? Every war is between two peoples, and in every war the people who started the war, that whole people, is the enemy. A declaration of war is not a war crime. Responding with war certainly is not. Nor is the use of the word “war”, nor a clear definition who the enemy is. Au contraire: the morality of war (yes, there is such a thing) is founded on the assumption that there are wars in this world, and that war is not the normal state of things, and that in wars the enemy is usually an entire people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.

And the morality of war knows that it is not possible to refrain from hurting enemy civilians. It does not condemn the British air force, which bombed and totally destroyed the German city of Dresden, or the US planes that destroyed the cities of Poland and wrecked half of Budapest, places whose wretched residents had never done a thing to America, but which had to be destroyed in order to win the war against evil. The morals of war do not require that Russia be brought to trial, though it bombs and destroys towns and neighborhoods in Chechnya. It does not denounce the UN Peacekeeping Forces for killing hundreds of civilians in Angola, nor the NATO forces who bombed Milosevic’s Belgrade, a city with a million civilians, elderly, babies, women, and children. The morals of war accept as correct in principle, not only politically, what America has done in Afghanistan, including the massive bombing of populated places, including the creation of a refugee stream of hundreds of thousands of people who escaped the horrors of war, for thousands of whom there is no home to return to.

And in our war this is sevenfold more correct, because the enemy soldiers hide out among the population, and it is only through its support that they can fight. Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

By the way, there was an interesting interview (here) with the Israeli spokesman (who by they way — regardless of how you feel about the merits of his argument — holds up well under a withering series of questions). The interview covers both views of the ongoing conflict.

UPDATE: Shaked responded by stressing that she was citing and quoting an article written by another individual some 12 years ago:

Let’s start with my July 1 Facebook post. It was written some 12 years ago, but never published, by a dear man, the recently departed journalist Uri Elitzur. The gist of his article was that once one side in a war attacks the other side’s civilians, they can no longer morally claim a special status for their own civilians.

Go ahead, ask a Hebrew speaking friend to translate it for you, they’ll confirm this is what my Facebook post was about. But you’ll find not a trace of that in Resnick’s account. Perhaps it’s his own ignorance of the Hebrew language. After all, he got the text from Electronic Intifada, a website dedicated to daily and hourly vilification of my country.

All Resnick had to do to make Elitzur’s sober, legally minded discussion sound like a speech made by Hitler himself, was to cherry pick words out of context. A call for the indiscriminate killing of children is a terrible thing. But what if the statement was that any time you attack our children, you’re exposing your own people to the same fate? Still unsettling, but rational when you consider their civilian population is actively supporting and participating in their war and terror efforts. It’s not a call for indiscriminate murder.

288 thoughts on ““They Have To Die”: Israeli Politician’s Comments Calling For Killing of Mothers of Palestinians Trigger International Backlash”

  1. Po, Italian/Irish. But that combo must be as bad as those Jew bast@rds. Right? I have said twice, “There are no white hats” a line I stole from mespo. I’m disturbed by the hatred for Israel and Jews. It’s getting worse. I understand history. There are hundreds of millions of people that want them exterminated. I try to walk in people’s shoes and not let emotion rule my brain. I am not a Zionist. I am a student of history.

  2. I doubt any nation would sit idle while hundreds of rockets rained down on their soil and their cities. The PA in the West Bank, (Fatah) doesn’t seem to be launching these rockets. It is an action against Hamas.

    1. Being short sighted is indeed a disease, to reduce the whole Palestinian-Israeli issues to rockets raining down on Israel is to be quite myopic historically and intellectually. Why are these rockets raining down on Israel? That is the question to answer because nothing exists in a vacuum, the rockets are merely a symptom, not the cause. It is indeed easier to overlook the cause and focus on the symptoms, but that is to be intellectually and morally lazy.

      I’ll start with this given: In the best of worlds, Hamas would not exist. In this world however, it is a necessary counter to the balance of power. Israel has all of it, Palestinians none of it. The Palestinian Authority is the superintendent of the Israeli occupation, recipient of US aid and thus bound to the attached leash (and yes it is occupation when one party controls access in and out a territory, to its water, natural resources and has a say in every single aspect of the life of a people), and Hamas, to the Palestinians, is the only thing stopping the beast of settlement building from gobbling up the remaining land. This current flare up happened when Israel accused Hamas of kidnapping three Israeli teenagers who were later found dead, which Hamas denies. A gag order was issued that stopped the media from reporting the already known murder, while Israel ran a propaganda campaign that gave it public and political support to go after Hamas and torpedo its reconciliation with Fatah. Settler attacks and IDF incursions and shooting of Palestinians were ratcheted up, culminating into the shooting death of two unarmed Palestinian teenagers.

      These are the facts:

      1-Israel did withdraw from Gaza, but still controls access from two points alongside its borders and from a third across the sea, limiting how far Palestinian fishermen can reach, and routinely shooting and killing them way within the arbitrary line. Egypt controls the fourth access point. Gaza is literally an open box, and Israel’s shelling of it is akin to shooting fish in a barrel. Palestinians can surely leave the areas to be bombed, and go…where?

      2- Israel does not seek to limit civilian casualties, it actually relies on those as a means of pressure against Hamas. Casualties of its campaigns hover around 70% civilians, most of whom women and children. Its claim to be discriminating in its mass scale shelling is undermined by its routine bombing of hospitals, schools and news agencies. If Israel knows the name and occupation of the person it texted, offering 5 minutes to evacuate his house for it to be bombed, shouldn’t it know that this doctor, his wife and children, are civilians?

      3- Israel punishes Palestinians on a whim by restricting commerce, travel, and electricity as happened recently when Hamas and Fatah announced a reunion. Medical supplies, food, building materials, educational supplies and fuel, all must come through Israeli checkpoints or smuggled in.

      4- Israel can arrest any Palestinian under the claim he is Hamas affiliated and lock him up for decades without access to any legal system. When released, Israel can and does round them up right back and lock them back up, as were hundreds of Palestinians under the terms of the last ceasefire.

      5- Israel’s occupation and practice of individual and communal punishment has been declared and confirmed to be against all international laws. Israel has found however that accusing those international bodies of antisemitism a much more effective answer.

      6- Although many Jews both in the diaspora and in Israel are against the religious and political Zionism that builds itself at the expense of the Palestinians, extremes political and religious gamesmanship has turned Israeli society into one that supports no conversation nor dissent, where lawmakers routinely and openly demonize Arabs and Palestinians and call for their wholesale destruction.
      Were this not so sad, one could find some measure of irony in that the lessons of the Holocaust are lost on those who should have been its custodians.

  3. @uniteddreemer

    Huh? Lost my humanity??? Those innocent little gazans voted in hamas, and sit there with their thumbs up their rear ends while missiles are fired at innocent Israeli children. I ‘d put the sorry Gazan sob’s on a Trail of Tears all the way to Syria or Iraq and make them eat bacon MREs all the way there.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  4. Nick, are you Jewish? Because the intensity I find in your support of Israel is usually found only in hard core Zionists! I do hope so, for it would make some sense. My brother in law fancies himself an humanist, until it comes to Israel and the Palestinians. Of course, in order to be such a staunch Zionist and see nothing wrong with Israeli policies, he had to convince himself of the lessened value of Palestinians lives, to the point of saying tropes such as they are happier under Israeli occupation.
    At least you being Jewish would somehow explain your fervor, and your reluctance to see what people, Jewish people both in the diaspora and in Israel have seen ages ago and fighting against.
    Just to address your last point, and please respond specifically, not generally: If you are called by the IDF, who know your number and name in order to text or call, don’t they know who are you are? And if they do, and warn you, isn’t it because you are not Hamas? And if you are not Hamas, who they supposedly are at war against, why bomb your house?
    We all have seen the recent video where the roof knock happened, and 57 seconds later, the house was obliterated! How do you explain the shelling of the 4 kids on the beach?
    Where have you put your heart? What kind of human being are you, Nick?
    You can justify 1000 vs 13 as collateral damage? 200 to 1 as collateral damages?! Thank God that for every one of you, there is a Bob, a United Dreamer, a John and a Max. I am trying not to wish you to one day experience what the Palestinians have been, for that would be evil of me.

  5. United Dreamer, The Israel’s warn before bombing. They call the phone#’s in the building and then fire a warning shot, a concussion bomb @ the top of the building. If you didn’t get the phone call there is no missing the warning shot. Even deaf people can feel the concussion. There is collateral damage, this is war. Women and children die in war. That’s why it’s hell.

  6. A US retired military said on CNN Brooke Shields show that there is a way to determine the culprit in this w/o the black box or much physical evidence. It is reported our spy satellites picked up the radar trail from the SAM rocket fired. This expert said all SAM systems have a unique radar trail, akin to a fingerprint. We have the data on the radar trail, we can match it w/ the unit. This info was presented because there is raw footage shot yesterday from the area of the downing. The Buk SAM unit was missing one missile. Very good chance this unit is now secured in the Soviet Union, err Russia. Our President stated unequivocally today the missile was fired form an area controlled by Russian rebels. He was otherwise lackluster and obviously uncomfortable w/ conflict. Ironically, Samantha Powers, was very tough @ the UN. Conservatives didn’t want her approved as UN rep but she showed more balls than Obama. She laid out the evidence. Powers did not have the surveillance photos like the historical presentation given by Adlai Stevenson during the Cuban Missile Crisis. But, she laid out the facts as we know them eloquently and forcefully. As she stated, “Russia can end this!”

    Both Powers and the military guy stated the Buk’s require extensive training. The military guy said 6 months. I stated last night there have been intelligence reports that Putin’s KGB retired buddies and other operatives are supplying sophisticated hardware, training and operating these systems. This is akin to our CIA operatives in covert operations. Putin’s fingerprints, as well as the Buk Launchers fingerprints are on this act of war. I always sorta liked Samantha Powers. She’s more liberal than I but she’s straight and tough. Not false politician tough, but REALLY tough, as a person. You can see it in her demeanor and her mass of red hair! I always like redheads. She’s a big winner in this tragedy. Obama is in over his head.

  7. How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza
    Kidnap, Crackdown, Mutual Missteps and a Hail of Rockets

    Excerpt:

    Once the boys’ disappearance was known, troops began a massive, 18-day search-and-rescue operation, entering thousands of homes, arresting and interrogating hundreds of individuals, racing against the clock. Only on July 1, after the boys’ bodies were found, did the truth come out: The government had known almost from the beginning that the boys were dead. It maintained the fiction that it hoped to find them alive as a pretext to dismantle Hamas’ West Bank operations.

    The initial evidence was the recording of victim Gilad Shaer’s desperate cellphone call to Moked 100, Israel’s 911. When the tape reached the security services the next morning — neglected for hours by Moked 100 staff — the teen was heard whispering “They’ve kidnapped me” (“hatfu oti”) followed by shouts of “Heads down,” then gunfire, two groans, more shots, then singing in Arabic. That evening searchers found the kidnappers’ abandoned, torched Hyundai, with eight bullet holes and the boys’ DNA. There was no doubt.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu immediately placed a gag order on the deaths. Journalists who heard rumors were told the Shin Bet wanted the gag order to aid the search. For public consumption, the official word was that Israel was “acting on the assumption that they’re alive.” It was, simply put, a lie.

    Nor was that the only fib. It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.

    This put him in a ticklish position. His rhetoric raised expectations that after demolishing Hamas in the West Bank he would proceed to Gaza. Hamas in Gaza began preparing for it. The Israeli right — settler leaders, hardliners in his own party — began demanding it.

    But Netanyahu had no such intention. The last attack on Gaza, the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, targeted Hamas leaders and taught a sobering lesson. Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013. Neither side had any desire to end the détente. Besides, whatever might replace Hamas in Gaza could only be worse.

    The kidnapping and crackdown upset the balance. In Israel, grief and anger over the boys’ disappearance grew steadily as the fabricated mystery stretched into a second and third week. Rallies and prayer meetings were held across the country and in Jewish communities around the world. The mothers were constantly on television. One addressed the United Nations in Geneva to plead for her son’s return. Jews everywhere were in anguish over the unceasing threat of barbaric Arab terror plaguing Israel.

    This, too, was misleading. The last seven years have been the most tranquil in Israel’s history. Terror attacks are a fraction of the level during the nightmare intifada years — just six deaths in all of 2013. But few notice. The staged agony of the kidnap search created, probably unintentionally, what amounts to a mass, worldwide attack of post-traumatic stress flashback.

    When the bodies were finally found, Israelis’ anger exploded into calls for revenge, street riots and, finally, murder.

    Amid the rising tension, cabinet meetings in Jerusalem turned into shouting matches. Ministers on the right demanded the army reoccupy Gaza and destroy Hamas. Netanyahu replied, backed by the army and liberal ministers, that the response must be measured and careful. It was an unaccustomed and plainly uncomfortable role for him. He was caught between his pragmatic and ideological impulses.

    In Gaza, leaders went underground. Rocket enforcement squads stopped functioning and jihadi rocket firing spiked. Terror squads began preparing to counterattack Israel through tunnels. One tunnel exploded on June 19 in an apparent work accident, killing five Hamas gunmen, convincing some in Gaza that the Israeli assault had begun while reinforcing Israeli fears that Hamas was plotting terror all along.

    On June 29, an Israeli air attack on a rocket squad killed a Hamas operative. Hamas protested. The next day it unleashed a rocket barrage, its first since 2012. The cease-fire was over. Israel was forced to retaliate for the rockets with air raids. Hamas retaliated for the raids with more rockets. And so on. Finally Israel began calling up reserves on July 8 and preparing for what, as Moti Almoz told Army Radio, “the political echelon instructed.”

    http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all

  8. Speaking of honesty…

    “The idea that Israel is responding to a hail of rockets out of a clear blue sky takes “narrative framing” beyond the realm of fantasy. In fact, after the deal that ended Israel’s last assault on Gaza in 2012, rocketing from Gaza fell to its lowest level for 12 years.

    The latest violence is supposed to have been triggered by the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the occupied West Bank in June, for which Hamas denied responsibility. But its origin clearly lies in the collapse of US-sponsored negotiations for a final settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the spring.

    That was followed by the formation of a “national reconciliation” government by the Fatah and Hamas movements, whose division has been a mainstay of Israeli and US policy. Israeli incursions and killings were then stepped up, including attacks on Palestinian civilians by armed West Bank settlers. In May, two Palestinian teenagers were shot dead by the Israeli army with barely a flicker of interest outside the country.

    It’s now clear the Israeli government knew from the start that its own kidnapped teenagers had been killed within hours. But the news was suppressed while a #BringBackOurBoys campaign was drummed up and a sweeping crackdown launched against Hamas throughout the West Bank.

    Over 500 activists were arrested and more than half a dozen killed – along with a Palestinian teenager burned to death by settlers. Binyamin Netanyahu’s aim was evidently to signal that whatever deal Hamas had signed with Mahmoud Abbas would never be accepted by Israel.

    Gaza had nothing to do with the kidnapping, but Israeli attacks were also launched on the strip and Hamas activists killed. It was those killings and the West Bank campaign that led to Hamas resuming its rocket attacks – and in turn to Israel’s devastating bombardment.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/16/gaza-shameful-injustice-israel-attacks-occupied-people

  9. Bob, Esq. I commented in some thread that many of the US liberals who revered Israel when Begin and other liberals ran governed it, now hate the conservatives, voted in by fellow Israeli’s. Do you know the history of Begin? He was a great leader. But, he was prior to that a TOUGH soldier and has much blood on his hands. As Mespo says, there are no white hats here. Thanks for you forthright and direct answer. Not many people here are so honest and forthright as you. It is one reason you are a valuable commenter.

  10. Anyway am off. Remember people are just people whatever their faith or skin colour or language, they bleed and suffer like we all do. And we diminish ourselves if we forget that. Peace.

  11. @Nick
    “Hamas WANTS dead Palestinian children. The propaganda works w/ many people who allow emotion to rule their mind. It’s on display right here.”

    I don’t know what they want. I suspect they want their rockets not to be destroyed or discovered. Regardless, as by far the more powerful of adversaries you have the luxury of controlled response. Just as Britain suffered some two thousand or so fatalities against the IRA, they didn’t go shelling churches because a rebel Priest held them in a church basement, nor did they invade Ireland because the IRA routinely stashed weapons there.

    Israel created this mess when they created fortress Gaza – they wanted to make a ghetto where they could be sure casualties would only be Muslim Palestinians. They deliberately created a Muslim ghetto. And it did what the extremists wanted to do. It gave them a reason to exploit the smallest fears for the most violent response knowing there would be minimal Jewish casualties.

    Luckily there is at least some Western pressure even if its only coming from the media.

  12. @Nick
    “Hamas uses children to shield their missiles. Israeli missiles kill this innocent children. ”

    Interesting use of language. Allow me to change it slightly. Hamas uses children to shield their missiles. Israelis (more specifically the IDF) use missiles to kill their children.

    Although maybe you are suggesting that they were unguided which seems plausible. In such a case I tend toward “indiscriminate shelling” as a far more economical use of words and a far more accurate description.

    It would explain why they killed four children on a beach at least. I’m guessing there were no shells hidden in their football. Can’t be too careful I guess.

  13. @John – I somehow suspect a missing context in your reply 😉

  14. @Nick
    “If we had terrorists lobbing missiles @ Buffalo, Rochester, NY from just over the Canadian border, most all US citizens would be calling for carpet bombing.”

    I’m sure they would but I would bet my house on it not happening.

  15. The Holocaust is heard constantly in America. Ever ask yourself, why?

    Why don’t we hear about those poor souls in “Apocalypto?” They bent them over, cut their hearts out and rolled their bodies down from the top of their pyramids. That would be pretty bad. But western civilization isn’t bombarded with accounts of those atrocities on a daily basis. Why is that?

    Weren’t the Stalinist Russians, Mao’s Revolutionaries, WWII Japanese all mass, holocaust-like murderers? Wasn’t there an equivalent Armenian genocide? Is Armenia the 51st state?

    Israel has a very good PR firm, huh?

    Alternatively, Americans are really, really stupid. Maybe that’s what Bernie Madoff discovered.

    What is the glue that binds Israel to the American checkbook? Maybe it’s those pesky Christians who cannot be disabused of their belief in everlasting life. It’s the same snake oil that Bernie Madoff was selling.

  16. UD,

    There were 6,000 killed in one day at Gettysburg. 7,000 in one day at Iwo Jima. 300 people died at the hands of Putin yesterday. I’m so sorry for you that you had to mourn 241 Marines. I can guarantee it was nothing more than a minor traffic accident for Ronnie. If he’d wanted 241 more Marines the next day, he would have had them signed, sealed and delivered. I don’t want to burst your bubble but Marines are deployed to die. You don’t make a lot of personal plans when you’re assaulting a beach. I heard it once and couldn’t believe a relative mouthed the words, “a career in the military.” That sure as hell is no military I was in. Maybe his career was as a cook.

    There sure is some screwball thinking in the world, huh? And it’s completely screwball to think the event you referred to affected anything significant. Good for you. You wasted some time saying something stupid.

  17. I don’t hate Israel Nick.

    Israel is an abstract concept incapable of exercising any will.

    I despise the right wing thugs in control of Israel who have folks like you convinced that what they’ve been doing is morally acceptable.

  18. Some people have speculated or opined on the “black box” of the downed airliner and its whereabouts. In this case, the “black box” (It’s actually orange) is irrelevant. Proper name for it is the Flight Data Recorder. All it will tell is the condition of the airplane’s systems, its altitude, heading and speed. Then the lights go out.

    The cockpit voice recorder is also going to be useless. There may be a couple of last words, and in this case if there are, it is likely to be the ones most commonly recorded in cockpits at the last moment before impact: “Oh, shit!”

    The flight data and voice recordings are useful in accident investigations where something goes wrong with the systems or there is pilot error. There is no indication at all that the present case fits either of those descriptions.

    Ergo, those who know what is and is not important in the investigation are not going to expend any heroic effort to find the FDR or CVR. The most important single thing they will be looking for, after recovery of the human remains, will be parts of the missile. Most important are parts that have serial numbers or part markings. Some news sources are saying the crash site has not been secured, so we must hope that scavengers don’t make off with something important.

  19. The Israelis did kill them. I’m not a nut on this subject. Hamas is having problem getting suicide bombers and missiles into Israel to kill Jewish children. They need a propaganda war. Hamas uses children to shield their missiles. Israeli missiles kill this innocent children. They have their images. You are usually a reasonable man Bob, Esq. I would love to sit down w/ you and get to the bottom of your hatred of Israel.

  20. “Hamas WANTS dead Palestinian children.”

    Therefore the Israelis did not kill them like the “snakes” or “roaches” they are.

    Right Nick?

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