The Grand Jury in Missouri appears to have rendered its decision in the shooting investigation Michael Brown. It is expected to be announced shortly. Below is my column in USA Today.
In anticipation of the decision on whether to indict officer Darren Wilson for the killing of Michael Brown, the town of Ferguson, Mo., is a virtual armed camp. Schools are closed. The National Guard was called out when the governor declared a state of emergency. The emergency? A grand jury announcement.
While most protesters have engaged in legitimate and lawful speech, others used the shooting of the black teenager by a white police officer as justification to loot the town. State and federal forces are assembling in Ferguson in expectation that some protesters will riot unless there is a criminal charge. Those who insist that “justice” can be found only in jail for Wilson are speaking not of real justice but mob justice.
After the fatal encounter on Canfield Drive, there was good reason for many to question the shooting of Brown. The 18-year-old was unarmed, and police say he had committed a minor theft before being stopped by Wilson. Given the continuing cases of the profiling and shooting of black males by police, there was ample reason for suspicion. However, there was also ample reason for caution before declaring Wilson was a murderer.
Dueling stories
Within hours of the shooting, two clear and equally plausible narratives emerged. From the police account, Brown attacked Wilson after the officer confronted him for blocking the street. In the ensuing struggle in the patrol car, Brown was shot when he grabbed for the officer’s gun and then shot repeatedly outside of the vehicle. From the account of Brown’s friend (and others), Wilson gunned down Brown after the stop without provocation, including shooting him when he had his hands in the air. Each account has one of the men acting in an unprovoked and violent manner. If either account is true, it will be determined through investigations, not demonstrations.
Rioters, who somehow rationalized looting as acts of moral outrage, weren’t willing to wait for evidence. What is surprising is that national and local leaders showed the same impatience.
Soon after the shooting, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon referred to Brown as the “victim” despite Wilson’s insistence that Brown attacked him. Nixon denounced the police for releasing video that they say shows Brown robbing a store and threatening the clerk as besmirching the victim. Nixon also called for the pursuit of “a vigorous prosecution” for the shooting. A governor’s foremost responsibility is to demand not prosecution but the truth from an unbiased investigation.
Premature federal role
Attorney General Eric Holder was also criticized for his reaction. Holder said he shared the same experience of profiling and abuse at the hands of police. As he did in the Trayvon Martin case, Holder sent in federal civil rights investigators before the initial investigation ended. Such federal investigations are ideally launched after state trials or, at a minimum, after an investigation is complete. When the federal government steps in, it can make the process look political and ultimately fuel discontent when it too rejects charges. Even before the grand jury has rendered its decision, The Washington Post reports that Holder’s investigators failed to uncover evidence to support civil rights charges.
That’s because the evidence in this case gives Wilson a strong defense. Brown allegedly was coming from the commission of a crime where he appeared to threaten a store clerk. The forensic evidence appears to contradict those who insist that Brown was not shot in a struggle but with his hands in the air. There is evidence that Wilson was injured in a struggle, the gun was discharged in the car and Brown was shot at close quarters leaving blood on the gun. Finally, more than a half-dozen black witnesses reportedly gave testimony supporting Wilson. Other scenarios could explain the evidence, and there is still the question of why so many shots were fired. But those questions might never be answered, a reality of some criminal cases.
The law requires us to deal with facts, and when those facts do not support a criminal charge, prosecution is barred regardless of popular demand.
In the end, it rings hollow to cry “no justice, no peace” when you are rioting or looting. There can be no justice if it is merely the result of demonstrations rather than demonstrated facts. Otherwise, the scales of justice become just one more object to throw through the window of an appliance store.
Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University and a member of USA TODAY’s Board of Contributors, has represented both protesters and police officers.
November 24, 2014
Teji
I remarked on the same thing. Why are young black men and women not on the police force in Ferguson…and elsewhere? Is it that they just do not WANT to be a police officer? How can you encourage them to chose this occupation if that is the case?
If it is because of discrimination by existing white police officer, then there should be immediate changes in that area.
You can’t MAKE someone be a police officer. You can’t MAKE someone run for a civic office. How can you encourage people is the question.
Dusty,
You are right, one can not force anyone to do anything but I am sure the citizens and the office holders of the city of Ferguson, both political and executive ones should take this as their civic duty and responsibility to educate and motivate the majority about being in the Police forces and in the other offices to carve their own destiny.
I ran across an interesting bit on a Reuters posting…..
Ferguson, a predominantly black city of about 21,000 people where almost all the political leaders and police are white, became the focal point of a national debate on race relations …
Predominant majority is African American, who presumably have a vote in city affairs. How is it that almost all political leaders are white?
Just wondering.
Aridog: In my opinion, it is the majority’s fault who does not take its civic duty seriously. Having said that, we are also aware how the hue of the skin makes one think how one is superior to the darker one. There are only 3 black police officers in the whole police force in Ferguson, which is more surprising because this seems to be by choice, which is a shame.
Aridog
I ran across an interesting bit on a Reuters posting…..
Ferguson, a predominantly black city of about 21,000 people where almost all the political leaders and police are white, became the focal point of a national debate on race relations …
Predominant majority is African American, who presumably have a vote in city affairs. How is it that almost all political leaders are white?
Just wondering.
I lived in STC for most of my natural born life. It is a political machine and it still is. If the Obamanation and the Holder had not come forth and made this a black white issue it would have also been an Asian and Hispanic issue as well as white. This is a recording as I have repeated this sentiment many times on this blog. I am sick of putting punctuation marks in it.
Old George….taking your word, I do not understand how Dr Baden could conclude what he did, since there were 10 expended cartridge casings around the spot where Brown’s body lay on the pavement. Charts of this have been published even in media like the Wall Street Journal. This feature backs up Wilson’s story of the proximity of Brown and that he, Wilson was backing up as well. Cartridge cases expelled from a semi-automatic pistol do not travel 30+ feet, especially forward…as I observe at my weekly range target shoots…at most they travel 7 to 10 feet with no obstructions.
Dr Baden has a fine reputation, as a pathologist… but his assertion that the shot to Brown’s head had to be fired from a “minimum of 35 feet” defies common sense to anyone who is practiced with a pistol, aiming, and how far cartridges fly upon ejection. I do not know what Baden’s personal hands on experience is with semi-automatic pistols. His statement implies very little….or it was taken out of context. It truly baffles me. I’d think he’d know all this from his time as Chief Medical Examiner for NYC, where most shootings are in an urban setting, frequently on a street.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3908073231001/forensics-vs-ferguson-grand-jury-findings/#sp=show-clips
In the last 20 seconds of the show clip, Baden’s last comment.
Airdog: Thanks for your input.
I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. 🙂
‘bur’ = but
[Paul C. Schulte
Teji – you seem quite willing to discuss what you don’t know. However, we could have a more comprehensive discussion if you read all 5000 pages of the Grand Jury testimony and evidence. What is reported in the MSM is far different than what is actually going on in court.]
Paul, I hope now you understand the meaning of “Discuss” as I asked Happy. 🙂
We can always have, not more – wrong usage- bur comprehensive ‘Discussion’ on any subject with honesty and truthfulness. The two are not your forte.
BTW, I am reading the report and so can you without lying. We can have a comprehensive ‘Discussion’ in parts when you have played your part in an honest manner.
Let’s DISCUSS it then. OK? 🙂
I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. 🙂
Teji …. you said:
… the arms and the bullets used in the war are more potent and lethal.
Actually the bullets used in conventional warfare in small arms (pistol or rifle) are uniformly full metal jacketed rounds, with little or no expansion, but potentially some tumbling depending on the angle of the shot. However, civilians and police departments use jacketed hollow points of various calibers…those .40 caliber and larger, like my favorite the +P .45 ACP, expand rapidly even in soft tissue, which tears up anything near its path. When in uniform we always wondered why organizations that use mortars and artillery and more (IED’s these days) would argue that a FMJ round was the only fair round.
The frank unpleasant truth about firing a pistol at someone is by design intent to kill. Stopping them short of killing is pure luck. Very few parts of the body can be hit without lethal consequences in many instances. I carry an FNX-45 with +P .45 rounds some of the time, and sub-sonic rounds (900 fps or so) most of the time…to avoid as much over penetration as possible should I have to engage an idiot. I would never even reach for it unless I felt my life or that of another person was threatened, and have not had to do so in 40 odd years…however I try to not place myself in situations that would necessitate it. Because I was in Ordnance long ago I got very practiced in drawing and firing a .45 pistol because we usually had bags of tools to carry that made a rifle hard to handle if trying to recover or repair a tracked vehicle in the field. Usually infantry gave protection, but on occasion we came under direct fire at close range. I have maintained that draw and fire skill ever since.
For the record, I am not someone who favors “open carry”, for other than police, because I believe it can be provocative, never mind mark you as a target for ambush and possibly get you shot with your own pistol. No one sees my pistol in my hand, or on my hip, normally, outside of the ranges I shoot at these days. No one needs to do so…it is a last resort device in my world as a civilian. If there is no last resort, then there is no need to expose your sidearm. Period…IMO, if a civilian.
For the record, the Fort Hood shooter who killed so many people was using rifle velocity pistol rounds of approximately .22 caliber in a special necked down cartridge similar to rifle ammunition…it was the FNH 5-7 pistol with 20 or so round magazines and velocity over 2300 fps. At close range these can be devastating, as you said, a military round of high lethality…but not more than regular jacketed hollow points at lower velocity. To my knowledge hollow point rounds for the FNH 5-7 pistol have not been available since the mid-2000’s, for obvious reasons.
Teji Malik….not to beat this dead horse too much, but on the subject of a leg shot: I was talking to another veteran, who has been shot up, about it and his reaction was a leg shot is most dangerous due to the femoral arteries in the thigh …. that many soldiers died from them due to the bleeding out before aid could get to them. I think he has a point. Such a wound is nearly impossible to tie off with a tourniquet or compression bandage. It can be done, but it must be done fast. Truth be told, almost any part of the body can be a lethal hit…I had a Federal Protection Officer friend and neighbor who was shot dead through his arm pit by a deranged gunman at 3 feet away…on 21 September 2001 when tensions were still high in the federal building I worked in then. The real, honestly evaluated rule, is simply when you shoot you shoot to disable if you can and kill if it happens that way. Most body shots, especially stomach shots will kill, and I now realize leg shots would do so as well.
Aridog: No problem. We can beat the old horse to death. Your veteran friend is right because the arms and the bullets used in the war are more potent and lethal. Here we are talking about a pistol. Let’s not mix bazookas with pellet guns. 🙂
Once again, we all know one side of the story which the officer was trained to repeat like a Broadway actor because they knew there would not be any cross examination.
Are you aware that the officer left the crime scene on his own, went back to the Police station, washed his bloody hands with no one present and put his gun himself into the evidence back, again without anyone’s presence? Are these the normal protocols according to your vast experience in the field?
If you do not know this then please ask Paul C. Schulte who had claimed to have read the report consisting 5000 pages and had asked me to discuss it when I was ready. But, unfortunate for him he got caught lying. So, I have no idea what else he would make up to try to convince himself about his truthiness and to you. 🙂
On a second thought, check WP website.
Teji – quote me saying I read the 5000 pages. Either do that or walk back calling me a liar. You are making the claim, prove it!!!
And where are you getting these supposed facts?
Teji Malik
If you do not know this then please ask Paul C. Schulte who had claimed to have read the report consisting 5000 pages and had asked me to discuss it when I was ready. But, unfortunate for him he got caught lying. So, I have no idea what else he would make up to try to convince himself about his truthiness and to you. 🙂
On a second thought, check WP website.
I have been following this thread and while it is my policy not to interfere, I must call you out. You are the one who is lying. Paul told you several times to get back with him after you read the 5000 pages never claiming once to have read them himself.
The Ferguson Police Department is far from perfect. So what if Darren Wilson washed his hands after that thug attacked him. He was shook up and understandably so. He reported to the Police Union because that is how they handle things in St, Louis County. Too bad you don’t like it. If you don’t live there you should shut up about it.
The cat and mouse game you are playing with Aridog and Paul C. Schulte is tiresome. If you don’t have something relevant to contribute please try to contain yourself. No one cares about your petty animosities
This is a National Tragedy and you obviously have not caught on to the tone of the blog.
happypappies: Thanks for barging in. I do appreciate it.
To make it easier for you, I am posting the meaning of DIscuss here:
dis·cuss
dəˈskəs/
verb
synonyms: talk over, talk about, talk through, converse about, debate, confer about, deliberate about, chew over, consider, consider the pros and cons of, thrash out; More
talk or write about (a topic) in detail, taking into account different ideas and opinions.
You make your own intelligent, well thought conclusions what the word means if both people should know the subject in order to discuss.
So who is lying knowing the meaning of ‘discuss’, the word that Paul used? This is an open question for all those who know its meaning, not directed at you in particular.
I know this blog quite well. Stop assuming things about others. Please pitch in at will when you have something ‘ to discuss’.
Lastly, this is a nice cop out as a citizen to claim, “The Ferguson Police Department is far from perfect. So what if Darren Wilson washed his hands after that thug attacked him. He was shook up and understandably so. He reported to the Police Union because that is how they handle things in St, Louis County. Too bad you don’t like it. If you don’t live there you should shut up about it”.
You mean you ‘wash your hands’ ala Darren Wilson albeit his were bloody, in order not to utter a word about what is wrong and fight to correct it.
It is your own personal civic choice which I respect.
Teji Malik
You mean you ‘wash your hands’ ala Darren Wilson albeit his were bloody, in order not to utter a word about what is wrong and fight to correct it.
It is your own personal civic choice which I respect.
No that is not what I mean. This is not a sanitation department looking for points on how to act after dealing with someone who attacks you in broad daylight in front of many witnesses.
I don’t think you are respecting anyone’s personal civic choices here. It is okay for you to barge in anywhere and make snarky accusations but I am not supposed to say anything if it offends me.
Sorry, it does not work that way because I don’t play by the rules. I do not respect your authority because you don’t have any.
Neither does Obama and Holder and Nixon which is why they just let my old home town burn up as Louis Head incited a riot over there and they did nothing about it as they were angry there was no indictment. I think that is just great for thug justice. I am so impressed. Please tell me more about Michael Brown and his families quest for justice and how they ripped off their own t shirt stand on October 22 as Robbery seems to run in the family.
[happypappies
Teji Malik
You mean you ‘wash your hands’ ala Darren Wilson albeit his were bloody, in order not to utter a word about what is wrong and fight to correct it.
It is your own personal civic choice which I respect.
No that is not what I mean. This is not a sanitation department looking for points on how to act after dealing with someone who attacks you in broad daylight in front of many witnesses.
I don’t think you are respecting anyone’s personal civic choices here. It is okay for you to barge in anywhere and make snarky accusations but I am not supposed to say anything if it offends me.
Sorry, it does not work that way because I don’t play by the rules. I do not respect your authority because you don’t have any.
Neither does Obama and Holder and Nixon which is why they just let my old home town burn up as Louis Head incited a riot over there and they did nothing about it as they were angry there was no indictment. I think that is just great for thug justice. I am so impressed. Please tell me more about Michael Brown and his families quest for justice and how they ripped off their own t shirt stand on October 22 as Robbery seems to run in the family.]
Thanks for changing the subject. I hope now you understand the meaning of the word “Discuss”. 🙂
Anyways, all your rant above has been responded in different posts several times by others and myself. We happen to disagree on many things but that is OK because disagreements are also parts of our learning process.
I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving. 🙂
Teji Malik
[Paul C. Schulte
I always enjoy a good rant as we discussed several months ago as being healthy and part of the learning process. Not playing by the rules is part of changing the subject whenever you want to whether others like it or not. Good luck with the Unknowable Known
Old George…the reason the fatality seems odd to you is the “10 yard” part. Wilson’s testimony said his fatal shot was fired at 10-12 feet, not yards…well inside the Tueller Drill distance for reacting to an assailant. Witnesses backed up that claim….and others outright fabricated their versions and were shown in most cases not to have actually seen the confrontation. I have laid out why I understand it all on the other thread vis a vis attacking a lone uniformed police officer. I’ve had my negative run ins with some police, but never in my wildest dreams did I think of assaulting them. Wilson’s main mistake was trying to talk to Brown from inside his vehicle…a huge no-no for police work, you pull past and stop, get out and give your directions standing up.
The whole affair is tragic and is now being made a cause celebre’ by others who really could give a dang less about Michael Brown…witness the rioting in other cities. Yet in Detroit, blackest of them all per capita, nothing violent and only small protest meetings held civilly.
IMO, you are correct in interpreting Wilson’s testimony as the truth…how many cops do you know who will admit to fear openly? Wilson did and in simple terms and eye to eye with the interviewer.
Airdog, you said “the reason the fatality seems odd to you is the “10 yard” part. Wilson’s testimony said his fatal shot was fired at 10-12 feet, not yards…”
Yet, Dr. Baden (a pathologist) asserted on live TV (just before the verdict) that the fatal shot was fired from a minimum of 35 feet.
10 feet does seem more reasonable. Yet he was 3 times that distance. According to the evidence, not testimony.
I get the vibe from the TV interview that our officer is mostly telling the truth.
The altercation in the car happened as described. The Giant fled, stopped and turned some distance away, built up a head of steam rushing back at the officer who stopped that rush at the ten yard line.
I don’t yet quite see — ten yards — a man who is shot — even a large fearsome man — known to be unarmed — (did I mention he was already shot?) — can’t be avoided non-fatally? Even when fearing for one’s life if he completes the charge. Could he keep his cool enough to keep saying “Stop or I’ll Shoot!” until he gets two yards away? Should we expect that from a police officer? Apparently not, according to this Grand Jury.
@ Paul~ This what Bill Pavelic told me about the glove fiasco. OJ had arthritis and was on medication for it. So Cochran had OJ stop taking his arthritis medication whilst he was in jail, so his hand/joints would swell up enough, so his hands would not be able to fit the gloves. Plus he gained weight in jail and they had him put on a protective glove too.
Jettexas – those were all issues that could have been raised at trial, but were not. They spent no end of time on whether the gloves could have shrunk because of the blood. I hate to retry the case at this late date, but the case was weak, OJ had great lawyers and the forensics sucked.
Paul: You are going through your denial stage. You write: “Teji – have you gotten through the 5000 pages yet? When you have, let’s discuss this.”
Paul, common sense would dictate that one can only discuss what one claims to know. As you said above, “I write exactly what I mean”.
Thanks for admitting that.
But, it is OK. I am not offended by your ignorance.:)
Teji – it appears clear from this conversation that you have not started on the 5000 pages. If you actually read the 5000 pages, so will I. I am a speed reader. So I will give you a head start.
Paul: As you have been caught lying in this subject with your falsehood, we shall discuss on some other subject in the future provided you do not claim the unknowable knowable. 🙂
Teji – quote the lie
Teji – you seem quite willing to discuss what you don’t know. However, we could have a more comprehensive discussion if you read all 5000 pages of the Grand Jury testimony and evidence. What is reported in the MSM is far different than what is actually going on in court.
@Paul,
If any of what I wrote is confusing, please just ask me, I just home from the hospital for neck surgery I had. So, my writing may not be up to par. 🙂
@Paul C. Schulte ~ Mark’s downfall was an ex-girlfriend he screwed over 10 years before. She was a professor named Laura Hart McKinney at a local college and writing a book called Men against Women or something like that, it was about the male female power dynamic in the LAPD. She met him at a cafe whilst writing her book and that’s how she met Mark. She needed cops to speak the lingo play acting on tape and she asked Mark and some other cops to be her characters, so they did. They all said the N-Word and he embellished some of his encounters because he wanted in her pants and so he was trying to impress her. She started dating Mark and he was also dating Caroline Dody. He got Caroline pregnant with his oldest daughter and so he dropped the playwright and married Caroline.
The playwright/professor sent him many letters and they went unanswered. Then when this trial came about, she remembered she had these tapes of him saying the n-word on them, so she called a sleazy Private Investigator asking $250,000 for the tapes. He was Mark’s PI but the PI (who is currently in jail) went to Johnny Cockran. So Cockran arranged to go to SC, where she currently lives and works at a small college. They paid her $250,000 dollars but he couldn’t take it back to the court and say he bought these, so he set up this whole court action in a SC court like he is getting them legitimately. She acted like she didn’t want to give it up, but that was just their play. Then she calls Mark to ask to meet with him. They met in LA and she met his family and his then wife Caroline. Caroline knew about all the letters from McKinney. But basically she told Mark she didn’t have choice, but what she neglected to tell him was that she was paid alot of money for those recordings.
About the gloves, there was another pair of the XL Isotoner gloves, that OJ got as a gift from Nicole’s dentist. One was black and one was brown. When Mark and his partner Brad did the walk thru and jotted down their notes for Det. Van Atter. Mark found another pair of the XL Isotoner gloves in OJ’s closet in the master bedroom. A Swiss Army empty box on the master bath, A back sweat suit in the washing machine, blood spots on the switch in the laundry room. A big wooden bowel of narcotics on the dinning room table and the stocking socks in the floor of his home and other things.
One other thing Van Atter is the on who testified to finding all of the blood on the property and it was Brad Roberts, Mark’s senior partner who found all of these things. Brad told me that he put a letter to the LAPD DA about finding all of the evidence that Van Atter had already testified to in the prelim. So Van Atter got the letter out of the evidence room and gave it back to Brad. So if anyone lied on the stand, it was Det. Van Atter. Unfortunately, Van Atter didn’t read Mark or Brad’s murder scene notes and when he issued the first warrant, it was a general warrant and not a specific one. He issued the specific one 7 days later after reading the murder scene notes, but by then it was too late. Bill Pavelic and Bob Kardashian had gone into OJ’s house with a cleaning company and cleaned it out. Bob took the items to Mexico ad some friends of OJ. Then they staged the house and took naked white women pictures down that OJ had up and put up pictures of that were more African American oriented to relate t the jury. Pictures of him with his children.
So yes, Mark got a perjury charge for saying the N-word for a playwright tat he was in a relationship in and then dumped her for a pregnant girlfriend, whom he married, 10 years before. He never ever thought it would come back to haunt him, but when she showed up and told him Cockran somehow found out about them and he was going to take her to court for them, he knew he was screwed. He didn’t know about the $250,000 until I told him back in 2007. I found out about that from Bill Pavelic and other information. Mark and McKinney had an agreement that if she sold that transcript, they split the money she sold it for but he got to pick who got it. So she broke her contract with him and owed him at least half of that money. If she had been honest and told him, that Cockran paid for it, he may have been able to go to court and stop the action to obtain it.
Jettexas – I have never pretended to be prejudiced to get in the pants of someone and anyone who I found out was prejudice was off my list of partners. That is a lot of money and who is supposed to have paid it?
The Isotoner gloves should not have made any difference. They supposedly had the ones found by the air conditioning unit on the property and covered with blood (the murder gloves). They did not fit.
” get back to you for what”.
“Teji – It is not my place to speak for you. You must do your own reading and evaluation. Do not rely on me for a summary.”
Paul: Please state your stand which one is it? It is the above one or the below one?
“Teji – when you have read the 5000 pages of documents get back to me.”
Get back you for what?
Please make up your mind.
“Justice Scalia Explains What Was Wrong With The Ferguson Grand Jury”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/26/3597322/justice-scalia-explains-what-was-wrong-with-the-ferguson-grand-jury/
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Yes, they all should go on trial imo, they are all guilty
Teji…I was a Junior NRA member at 7 years of age, same as you seem to have been. I learned to shoot very well from that first Winchester Model 52 I had, and proceeded to three pistol events at age 22, when I could legally own a handgun….but combat shotting is entirely different. I learned that in combat and the training leading up to it. I’d agree that police mentality needs to be re-mediated in many cases, but over all, in my life knowing many police officers, they were almost all uniformly lousy shots…so many more training would help. That said, unless that training is similar to the original IPSC competitions, or military training,they can’t learn the fire discipline you advocate. Perhaps you experience is different. Nothing less than at least weekly practice on combat action ranges, not the standard NRA 25 yard target, with no pressure.
BTW…I didn’t know of your background because you did not provide it. Mine has been stated multiple times here and elsewhere. About 95+% of those who advocate things like leg shots and such in a combat situation have generally never been in that situation. The reason most combat targets are torso only for center of mass shooting is that you seldom see anymore than that, if that. If you have been there done that, then I apologize for the erroneous assumption…however, I still say that leg shots are generally a good way to get hurt yourself, or killed, as an opponent closes in on you. The standard Tueller Drill averages 21 feet to stop an attacker, and as you age it gets longer…I’d say mine is now 30+ feet based upon my last Tueller test at age 72. It is also longer if your practice is only occasional….as is the case with all too many police departments. In short I think Officer Wilson did the best that he could. If your work improves on that, great, but I hope it includes situations where both the assailant and the officer are moving. That increases the difficulty geometrically.
Aridog: No harm, no foul. Disagreements are also parts of our learning process.:)
*Trial*
Don’t know if you got my reply Inga but yes, I think there should have been a trial. But I think the whole town should go on trial. There was some atrocious behavior there. People were murdered in Michael Brown’s Name-(Via Daily Mail) A man has died during the Ferguson riots just yards from where Michael Brown was shot dead. Residents on Canfield Drive said that DeAndre Joshua, 20, was shot whilst in his car though police at the scene refused to confirm any details.
DeAndre’s grandmother Renita Towns said that ‘somebody killed him’ during the carnage.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/11/25/first-pro-truth-grand-jury-witness-murdered-deandre-joshua-20-found-dead-yards-from-scene-of-michael-browns-death/